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ctesjbuvf posted...

Like, you don't go "if we're wrong it's fine" if you have doubts, you reconsider.

Absolutely true. Ulti is scum.

Maybe. We don't actually know if the hammer is compulsive or not

I will brag about this town play and scum team will deny because the setup was "unfair" and Han will deny because he got the Corrik hint right

But I know I played well

Ulti is being convinced to lynch me it's a miracle

Shame he doesn't matter here

ctesjbuvf posted...

Then you f***ing lynch him.

True

Good catch of your mate's slip there.

ctesjbuvf posted...

For what it's worth Lopen said it was fine lynching him first the other days but somehow today it isn't.

Why would I be okay with lynching myself today. I know your claim contradicts my role results. There is 0% chance you're town.

I'm a natural POE lynch after Ulti, particularly if Rosh is still on the table at that point (as I think he will be). It's fine, really.

Which is why I'm saying MZero should just hammer already. There's nothing valuable left here.

Dad is absolutely not a joke character but I never really cared for him.

I'm just telling you what I received. I got a day 1 result that said that nobody visited me the previous night

In contrast on night 1 and night 2 I got results when night actions were resolving that said nobody visited me.

Kirby321 posted...

Lopen, when D4 rolls around, don't reveal who visited you besides Ulti. I want to prove that my illusion ability is real by sending somebody else to visit you instead.

I don't know who only numbers

What you need to do is potentially have me visit myself, have someone else visit me, or have no one visit me which throws uncertainty into the calculations and makes it harder for any of us to lie when we same time post visit status and the number I received.

We can then depending on numbers and results either lynch me to confirm accurate numbers or lynch someone else because the numbers don't add up and they're clearly lying.

Reason being Intel is amping up their semiconductor manufacturing capabilities and 2024 they should be operational as I understand it. So 2025 is the LEAP you want.

I also think the market in general recovers a lot so it's double dipping.

Eyeing INTC now that 2025 LEAPS are out. 35c looks really good. Might grab some. Will definitely grab some if we see the old circuit breaker day.

Can we hammer so we get flip in this topic

Like 3 millers can't exist in the game until Lopen catches me, now 3 millers is fine

I like how you've been focusing Kirby all game but Kirby x Lopen is not a possibility you've considered.

To say nothing of Chang

Us both being town is crossing a W, not a T.

Obellisk posted...

That's what I'm trying to angle here. that means 3 millers, 2 watchers, no real cops... sounds like madness to me.

More directly. It means I got a PM for my role where I was told no one visited me and Ctes with his role sent a PM to the host to watch me.

So no there is no possible world where we are both town. Anyone vaguely humoring that possibility is not town aligned. Scum Ulti and Rosh Sbell discussing it makes a lot of sense.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I have to ask in case I die - is there any possible world where ctes and Lopen are both town?

A game setup I don't want to play in where the host is blatantly lying about one of our roles.

Breadcrumbing scanning guilty is for scum

Town who want to find liars don't breadcrumb miller status

Achievement unlocked: Hat Trick.
Drive the lynch on 3 scum in one game.

Obellisk posted...

That's big fake claim setup and after 2 claimed your first post of the day should have been "Uh, fuck you guys, MILLER here and I'm not having this shit."

YES.

I expect an apology from you all when Ulti turns out to be scum.

Also if Ulti does turn out to be the 4th scum, and it's looking like he will, Corrik won't even have been a wrong lead it will have just needed Han to refocus my energy (technically Kirby is the one that made it more obvious in that town/scum post he quoted, which is a big part of why I think Kirby is town. That's legit game solving there.)

I think you're oversimplifying my game if you think I've been doing that all game

Sultan wasn't doing that
I drove this mass claim, and caught Ctes with it, which wasn't doing that

It's easy to paint this game as me rambling about Corrik the whole time because pushing for anyone that wasn't hb was the one time I've been wrong, but it's looking like I will have caught 3/4 scum + Roshan by the time the game is done.

Blame yourself or God as they say.

Also our roles both caught 1 scum each I'd call them equal

You consistently have done nothing this game. I take inconsistency over that any day of the week.

If I die please look at my lists after lynching ulti. Should be an easy win if we don't overthink.

We should end the day so Ctes stops clogging the bandwidth.

So Mzero got 200 gold passive
100 gold from lynching hb

The item he claims he bought cost 450g. Also based on the shop message I believe his item is no longer in the shop because he bought it.

It's also probably the item I would have bought if I had his ability.

I do believe he's telling the truth. It all tracks. And I don't think that would be Roshan's passive, so yeah throw Mzero in the town pile regardless of what Ulti and Ctes flip.

MZero posted...

my shard upgrades lets me copy any item I have and give it to someone

I assume this can't copy the shard itself

Keep in mind that train of thought ONLY applies if Kirby is scum

Kirby as Roshan would not have a legitimate scum role there to be claiming as I know that's not Roshan's actual ability, so it would indeed be just as ballsy claim for him as it would be for Poppy/Chang

Actually put Kirby up below Red13n

Kirby's role is only worthless as a town role.

As a scum role, it potentially doesn't flag any "this role sucks" whistles so it's easier to fakeclaim it as town early using your legitimate scum role because you're really milking that miller aspect-- you aren't aware all our roles suck.

If Ulti or Ctes is Roshan (especially if it's Ulti), you need to look into Kirby pretty hard. Kirby considering lynching me today over Ctes kinda raises some red flags too because it's hard to imagine anyone takes everything in and thinks Ctes is the two of us that might be telling the truth.

Then again if SBell is scum I've heard he busses and he didn't really build on Hb or Sultan all that much, and Poppy hail marying the setup is, yeah, hard to think he'd do that, much easier to think he's overly defensive town is most configs as much as I really don't like him waffling on my alignment.

If Ulti (or Ctes, I guess) was Roshan, the best lynch order is (REDO)

PoppyTheNinja (if Ctes was Roshan, move him down two spots)
red13n
Obellisk (makes considerably less sense as scum than third party, but can bus)
Kirby321
MZero (makes considerably less sense as scum than third party, don't see him bussing Hb AND Sultan that hard)

Nah

Ctes x Ulti Scum
Sbell Rosh

Makes more sense

Actually for Roshan just figuring out why Death is dead probably solves a lot there. ISO on Death if we're still trying to find Roshan after Ulti is dead is probably smart

Final Fantasy VII

Ctes x Poppy Scum with Ulti as Rosh is my personal guess for setup after much deliberation.

In the setup, Ctes, Ulti are definitely not town

Changmas is in my mind mortally confirmed town-- he's just playing this game too open mindedly and without fear to be scum or Rosh, and his claim looks damn good. I will also remove myself, because my opinion on myself is worthless and just muddies the waters

3 - Kirby321
5 - MZero
6 - Obellisk
7 - PoppyTheNinja
8 - red13n

These are the remainders

If you eliminate the scum team by lynching Ulti and Ctes, then best lynch order is

Obellisk
red13n
MZero
PoppyTheNinja
Kirby321 (do think Corrik scanned him day 1-- don't think Corrik would outright put him on a town list if he scanned him as Roshan even if I think Corrik doesn't necessarily go after Roshan n1)

If Ulti (or Ctes, I guess) was Roshan, the best lynch order is

PoppyTheNinja (if Ctes was Roshan, move him down one spot)
red13n
Kirby321
Obellisk (makes considerably less sense as scum than third party)
MZero (makes considerably less sense as scum than third party)

If Ctes is scum and not Roshan (I think he's scum) the last scum certainly lies in Corrik's hint

I would rather test Ulti first. I think Poppy looks considerably better if all scum flip, though it is possible he is Roshan and would explain why he was so livid I would have him tested based on Corrik dying-- truly caught for the wrong reasons situation there. However it would take an incredible read on the game setup to fakeclaim what he did as Roshan.

Like Lea said "my ability is much better than Kirby's" I think you could get away with the same thing

You claim miller and that's it

Hell you maybe force it day 1. I liked the case on Sultan obviously but was it really that ironclad? I don't know if I as miller 3 would be so sure.

I don't think you need setup meta to suspect you here. You going so hard on Kirby/Lea seems like you gameplanned it as a reason to take no stances on anything else.

The problem here is that town miller who does this I think is claiming miller much earlier. Like I dunno it's easy to say the whole game suspected hb and he was a done deal but if you're that sure of Kirby I think you force that issue yesterday like I tried to do with Poppy

Honestly I think me pushing for mass and having a claim that is strong in mass is all you really need here. The game decisions I've made have made sense for my role. Ctes's don't.

I know we all have 5 second memories but I did basically get Sultan lynched by myself.

It's ironic that ctes is simultaneously trying to argue watching me n1 and n2 while at the same time arguing he's more town looking than me. It's a tough position.

Shame his scummate is already on him though. Ulti you should just be a man and lynch me, die with your brethren.

Sbell probably Rosh the more I think about it claiming his actual passive of not being able to use items

Han is wincing in dead town chat thinking you'd lynch me, the guy he was calling town, over Ctes here.

Also I don't think Tango is actually bulletproof. I was just guessing. Now that I've seen the setup I don't think it's that at all.

It uses the same health regen language in the shop items.

Kirby321 posted...

Why haven't both of your Tango charges been spent yet?

They have. I said I used them both n1 and n2.

ctesjbuvf posted...

That literally doesn't answer the question at all. You were questioning attacking the second claimed miller after the first one flipped, which was day 2.

There were two miller claims, and you know you're miller. You know one is lying if three can't exist.

ctesjbuvf posted...

That doesn't answer why he'd think it was the smart claim to make.

Pockets Lopen, who is very loud.

Once Lopen is loud enough and wrong long enough, Lopen is lynched endgame