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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 7 - Oh my God it's a BLACK HOOOOLE (of host humor)
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09/12/22 4:00:26 PM
#38
I think we should claim our items too btw

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 7 - Oh my God it's a BLACK HOOOOLE (of host humor)
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09/12/22 3:59:01 PM
#35
If we leave someone out of the same time I'd prefer it to be MZero instead of anyone else.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 7 - Oh my God it's a BLACK HOOOOLE (of host humor)
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09/12/22 3:55:10 PM
#32
But I guess MZero being Rosh is vaguely possible. Maybe better to just let everyone be here.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 7 - Oh my God it's a BLACK HOOOOLE (of host humor)
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09/12/22 3:53:58 PM
#30
Same time mass is fine

In fact I'm willing to let MZero not same time if Sbell agrees.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 7 - Oh my God it's a BLACK HOOOOLE (of host humor)
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09/12/22 3:51:30 PM
#27
1 - changmas -
2 - ctesjbuvf -
3 - Kirby321 - Illusion thing
4 - Lopen -
5 - MZero -
6 - Obellisk -
7 - PoppyTheNinja - Empowerer
8 - red13n - Give Me Hammer
9 - UltimaterializerX - Bodyguard

I think mass today is good tbh. Scum probably has enough info to pick off our power roles at the moment. We would rather information get out there than be lost. Maybe wait till after the shop reveal though I dunno.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 7 - Oh my God it's a BLACK HOOOOLE (of host humor)
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09/12/22 3:46:42 PM
#22
I wonder if these roles weren't randomized at all

That would be an interesting twist

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 7 - Oh my God it's a BLACK HOOOOLE (of host humor)
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09/12/22 3:41:05 PM
#16
Theory

Poppy + Ulti are scum and Hb got so annoyed because his teammates were bussing him hard into day 2 and his frustration with the game was real.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 7 - Oh my God it's a BLACK HOOOOLE (of host humor)
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09/12/22 3:36:09 PM
#12
Leafeon13N posted...
Yes. Now can we stop being done now that I've stated what was already plainly obvious.

So you claim hammerer?

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 7 - Oh my God it's a BLACK HOOOOLE (of host humor)
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09/12/22 3:34:44 PM
#7
I want Red to claim today for sure.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 7 - Oh my God it's a BLACK HOOOOLE (of host humor)
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09/12/22 3:33:39 PM
#5
Oh you mean the guy I'm calling your scummate?

We can totally lynch Red.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 7 - Oh my God it's a BLACK HOOOOLE (of host humor)
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09/12/22 3:30:15 PM
#2
Tell me, Ulti, who is the scum I'm protecting today by trying to lynch you.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 3:29:19 PM
#476
Isquen posted...
New topic is UP! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80162513


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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 3:29:03 PM
#475
Who's the scum I'm protecting today?

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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXIV: Day 89 (RULE CHANGE) [smfffc]
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09/12/22 3:25:55 PM
#143
Ramza

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 3:18:17 PM
#465
Here's what happened.

You bussed roleblocker when the lynch was between roleblocker and role thief, while claiming role thief was town
You bussed rolethief based on no new information when rolethief was clearly not going to try to win the game for your team

You get negative town points for Hb. Not positive.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 3:14:17 PM
#461
UltimaterializerX posted...
Wait when did I go from supposedly being Rosh to supposedly being mafia?

Read the day.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 3:14:01 PM
#460
Although yes, with all that inertia Hb had, I did think he was town at that point (and then Roshan when he said Kirby is Roshan-- I thought he was being funny and giving up there)

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 3:13:12 PM
#458
Also for what it's worth I didn't defend Hb all that hard yesterday as much as I thought Poppy was a better lynch.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 3:12:38 PM
#456
UltimaterializerX posted...
MZero and I

You did very little for that lynch just as you did very little for the Sultan lynch. You bussed scummates and tried to take credit for the work.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 3:11:41 PM
#454
Oh btw

Throw Ulti even having that item to hand out in the stack of things he's done to confirm he's town without providing much utility to the game.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 3:09:25 PM
#453
I haven't attacked anyone. I said Ulti is playing dumb. I didn't say Ulti is dumb. In fact it's because I have such a high opinion of Ulti's ability to read end of yesterday and today that I know he's faking about not knowing Hb did that.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 3:06:40 PM
#450
This is Hangut. Han found the hint.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 3:04:44 PM
#447
changmas posted...
HB stole death's ability and used it on himself

And no one who read today (or yesterday, quite frankly) wouldn't know that

Ulti is playing dumb-- "IF I WAS SCUM OF COURSE I'D KNOW HB DID THAT, I DID NOT SO ERGO I'M TOWN"

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 3:03:05 PM
#442
UltimaterializerX posted...
Lopen spent all day trying to keep HB alive, and he was kept alive by Death being an absolute idiot with his role. He frankly better be scum, because all respect for his town play goes out the window for a very long time otherwise

This is Ulti intentionally playing dumb with Hb's flip to try and make himself look more town.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:53:19 PM
#435
Note how Red went from this by the way

Assuming Corrik would leave a hint about his target
Potentially humoring Poppy
Completely dropping the Corrik thread and saying I'm scum
Trying to argue that "We're in the Endgame now" is not a good hint for targeting Ulti

This is Red realizing when Ulti flips scum his days are numbered and just throwing everything at it. This is not someone with a problem solving thought process as it relates to Corrik's role.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:50:01 PM
#434
Kirby321 posted...
But otherwise, I don't his play has been that self-preservationist.

Mentioned BG for no reason
Mentioned Lea being confirmed because he had a detector (why can't Lea be scum ninja)
Mentioned his item being a ward and confirming you because you had a ward (so? You can both have wards)

There is a recurring theme where Ulti is trying to tie himself to town things in this game for no particular pro-town effect.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:47:51 PM
#431
Leafeon13N posted...
But its not even a thanos quote.

It's a quote made in the context of stopping Thanos

Dr Strange turns to dust if he targets Thanos and Thanos is scum. Dr Strange did turn to dust.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:47:02 PM
#430
Like I'll put it another way

If there is a third party in the setup it has to be Roshan

Radiant/Dire split doesn't work (and doesn't exist) and there is no other thing that would make sense to be against everyone. DotA lore is a bunch of nothing anyway.

Why I said Ulti came off as third party like instead of scum like is he was trying very hard to attach himself to town claims in some way to confirm himself.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:44:41 PM
#425
Roshan is the overpowered neutral creep that makes sense to be third party

Also Han was stunned day 1-- Roshan flings out stuns. Stun to me just made sense as a third party ability more than a town or scum one.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:42:23 PM
#422
Leafeon13N posted...
There is an immediate problem with the endgame hint idea and that is that hb was scum in that game too(with corrik and without tabbing back over on my phone i think scare).

Ulti is Thanos in that game

Hb is a forgetable schmuck in that game that no one even remembered was scum, and in that scum list as well

Don't be dumb

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:41:06 PM
#421
Kirby321 posted...
The answer? Don't forget Corrik had a day scan. The fact that he did a complete 180 on me is indicative that he scanned me and discovered that I wasn't Roshan.

Yes

So why would he leave you in his list that is supposedly a hint when you absolutely aren't his target and are an obvious person to look for if you're looking for Corrik hints.

The better idea, and if you doubt it's Corrik's hint to quote Dr Strange, just look at Ulti's play where he keeps telling us a bunch of worthless information to make himself look better and nothing else and lynch him for that instead.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:36:28 PM
#416
Kirby321 posted...
My issue with this is that nobody else was really talking about Roshan besides you and Corrik on Day 1. Because there really wasn't a reason to believe a third-party existed until Corrik flipped.

... So why would you have a reason to even know Roshan existed? I'm starting to believe the argument that you are, indeed, Roshan.

Last game I was in, I replaced out early

Early game I was thinking Chris was coming off as trying to keep himself alive more than win the game

Chris won as third party as I said to Han "Chris better not win as third party" at N1.

So I'm saying from now on if I think someone is playing like third party, I'm going to call them on it.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:34:42 PM
#414
ctesjbuvf posted...
The idea that was a random on a list of 5 is bad.

If that's the hint we kill Kirby due to his cult leader rant, so the idea that he breadcrumbed his target in that list is really bad

The only reason we don't kill Kirby regardless is because Death said Kirby wasn't visited

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:30:59 PM
#411
ctesjbuvf posted...
How many people would get that reference?

You just need one person who was here in MCU Mafia to get it and would be searching for hints.

Also for the record even if you don't believe in hints, Corrik targeting Ulti from a Roshan hunting perspective is a good angle too-- I was calling Ulti Roshan all day day 1.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:29:49 PM
#409
Ulti as scum just makes sense

Look at how he treated Hb day 1 as town, then flips to scum
Look at his literally worthless item and his weird bodyguard (easy to fake) choices (why abandon Han-- Han looks like slam dunk town if Hb flips scum)
Look at how he has played the game, trying to town confirm himself at every end. Why do we even know Ulti is bodyguard-- what did it do besides get his claim out before mass and make him look better?
Look at how Red was open to investigating the Corrik thread yesterday, then is trying to say "Lopen is bad at the game and scum" today when I'm saying we should look at Ulti-- but was happy to go along with it when I was tunneled on Poppy

Corrik is probably happy I'm looking into his target but shouting at me for not thinking it was Ulti until today.

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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXIV: Day 89 (RULE CHANGE) [smfffc]
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09/12/22 2:25:40 PM
#77
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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:25:04 PM
#405
Scum

Ulti
Red

Roshan

Poppy

Town

The rest

That's my guess atm. I will build this case today, with a focus on UltixRed scumpair making sense.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:23:41 PM
#404
##Unvote:
##Vote: Ulti

On that note.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:22:58 PM
#403
Kirby321 posted...
That town list is a hint. Or could be, at least. Perhaps not an immediately useful one, but Corrik's death is still unexplained. I don't think the odds are high that all five of the people on his town list are, indeed, town.

That's an even worse hint than quoting Dr Strange though. A POE of 5 people doesn't help anything-- especially when YOU are on the town list and if you weren't cleared by the observer ward I'd say with his cult leader rant you were the hint.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:21:56 PM
#402
Kirby321 posted...
Did... did you not fully read my post

I read your post. You raise good points. Your conclusion is bad.

Corrik does not target without a hint. That's just period, end of story. Sorry. I know Corrik.

What I gathered from your post is this.

Corrik would not target people he thought was scum. So not Poppy, Hb, or SBell.

That doesn't mean he's strictly town clearing-- high town vibe likely wouldn't be roshan either. So he'd be more likely to go with someone not mentioned in that post at all, and leave a hint about them

IE Ulti.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:19:41 PM
#400
Kirby321 posted...
but the fact is that Poppy and Ulti were both forerunners on the two scum lynches.

Incorrect

Neither were frontrunners on either.

They both said Hb was town day 1 too.

Me and SBell were frontrunners on Sultan. Ulti was just positioning to bus him when the trains were Sultan and Hb, and called Hb town while doing so. Poppy looks more forgivable to be honest, he didn't have a huge song and dance on his Sultan vote like Kirby, he just said "yeah this guy is scum" after quoting a post and murdering him-- I really feel like Ulti was exaggerating and then punctuating his vote late so people would remember it.

Hb, Ulti did little more than vote for him day 2. Poppy pushed Hb harder than Ulti did.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:16:18 PM
#398
Lopen posted...
Kirby's post about Corrik not wanting to outright target scum but still confirm town, it makes a lot of sense, because Corrik did have Poppy is outright town.

I meant scum. Corrik had Poppy in his scum list in addition to the vote, so him using the vote as a hint isn't very good as a hint either.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:15:01 PM
#396
So I mean if Kirby thought hb was scum, pursuing the Corrik thing yesterday was a bad play, even if you think it has merit.

So I don't hold it against Kirby at all to float that ctes or Red was Corrik's target-- I do think he is wrong because Corrik would not not leave us any hints and those two have none, but that's a town logic to not distract.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:12:38 PM
#394
The more I think about it the more I think Corrik died from visiting Ulti and Han was spot on with the "we're in the endgame now" being Corrik's (bad) hint

Kirby's post about Corrik not wanting to outright target scum but still confirm town, it makes a lot of sense, because Corrik did have Poppy is outright town.

Corrik also hunting Roshan while simultaneously clearing ambiguous town players makes sense

I didn't want to be conceited, but I was saying time and time again that Ulti was Roshan because of the way he was playing the game. Possible Corrik actually respected that theory and saw it as a potential town clear otherwise and went for it, and quoting Dr Strange was his hint to us as he did it.

It would connect a lot of dots-- and Ulti was one of the more sketchy flops on Hb's innocence between day 1 and day 2.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:06:57 PM
#391
So I think there are two possibilities

  1. Red is scum
  2. Red is town and is an inevitable POE lynch unless his role is confirmable or provides the town enough information that it makes him look town
So we do want red to claim before we try this, in case it's autohammerer and red is town with a good role

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 1:59:01 PM
#385
As Red's scummate

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 1:58:48 PM
#384
I'm on board with that plan if for no other reason than I think red giving up the ghost on the Corrik thread when he was at least somewhat on board with it yesterday implies he's the scummate of Ulti/Poppy and doesn't want to be the last one alive.

And begrudingly, I think Ulti makes a lot more sense as Ulti's scummate than Poppy in this instance.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 1:52:41 PM
#379
So here's the way I see it

I don't mind claiming
But I do want red and ctes to be here when I'm claiming

Chang and MZero are town, not 100% needed in mass, but Chang in particular is not accepted as town so him being here is good.
Sbell is probably town, but would want him in mass.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 1:50:10 PM
#377
So i just went back and counted all the votes on Sultan and HB and here's the only two players that haven't been on either lynch.

2 - ctesjbuvf
10 - red13n

So if we assume the auto-hammerer can't double vote (feels like that might be too strong), it must be one of these two, with certainty. I guess it's also worth discussing whether an auto-hammerer could be a town role. But one of these two is it.

Plagiarized work. Here is Chang's POE. Chang is pushing for mass.

Now that I read my plagiarized work I realize player slot two is ctes and not chang and now I'd rather have red here too.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 1:46:54 PM
#374
I think red as hammerer makes sense and I think Mzero is town so I'm ok with just us 4.

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