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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 1:41:49 PM
#368
I want mine to be done at the same time or after others though. Mine has some conditional info that I don't want scum to play around.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 1:40:18 PM
#363
I am open to mass claim.

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TopicCould Donkey Kong defeat Ganondorf in a fight?
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09/12/22 1:38:49 PM
#21
No

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 1:27:32 PM
#359
Ulti and Poppy get 0 town equity for pushing for Hb either. They both called him town day 1. Them they read the room and flipped and called him scum day 2. If anything they get scum equity for trying to call him town day 1, implying they were open to diverting the lynch off hb if opportunity knocked

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 1:24:26 PM
#358
Ulti and Poppy keep waffling on whether I'm unlynchable or able to be lynched too. This is not town mentality. They're trying to keep targets open and coast on that. Poppy is probably a bus happy scum player that drew godfather that is frustrated that he is "caught for the wrong reasons"

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 1:22:25 PM
#357
There is very little chance Ulti is BG imo. Both Ulti and Poppy are claiming easy roles for scum to fake. I am not 100% they are both scum but I am 100% one of them is. We need to resolve it.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 11:28:36 AM
#294
PoppyTheNinja posted...
yes i'm not going to out if my role has limited shots or not because that information is not beneficial to claim

How, if you're not using it anyway

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 11:25:02 AM
#291
Btw Ulti breadcrumbed changing his target to you SBell because he called you a cop for thinking Ctes is town

Here's the thing though only scum that wants to NK han (while drawing off the doc, because our "BG" has Han alive) feels it necessary to breadcrumb that, and only a fake bodyguard would protect you at all because you're just not a compelling night kill target at the moment (no offense intended)

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 11:22:12 AM
#290
Have you been paying any attention I've been calling Ulti scum or Roshan since day 1.

So no he's not a bodyguard.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 11:19:57 AM
#288
Btw anyone else think that Ulti not bodyguarding Han again last night doesn't make sense. I know when I draw Bodyguard or Doc I tend to pick the person I think is most likely to be town/strong and just stick to them until a cop claims or something.

Definitely don't see how Han would have lost any town points after yesterday. If you thought he was town yesterday, don't see why you don't bodyguard him again.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 11:17:09 AM
#287
I mean I would think Poppy's ability would agahnim shard someone

He wants someone in town to come to that conclusion so he can say "aha, of course, now my role is useful!" and make his role more credible.

Here's the thing though-- that's just not an ability that makes sense for town to have. And if it is town, he would have already thought about this possibility himself.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 11:11:11 AM
#282
PoppyTheNinja posted...
said it last topic but my ability is that i can empower someone which prevents them from being roleblocked. makes me basically useless.

PoppyTheNinja posted...
i haven't used it because we killed the roleblocker day 1 so i figured there was no point

This role does not exist. This is poppy claiming scum strongman right to our face. It is far more situational than Kirby's

PoppyTheNinja posted...
i would prefer not to answer this

Figures there's no point, but would prefer not to answer if it's multi-use. What.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:32:39 AM
#242
Well, that's why I'm willing to humor Ulti.

Han pointed out "we're in the Endgame now" as a possible hint. I think that hint sucks but it's plausible. And I was ranting about Ulti likely being rosh due to his self preservation. It's possible Corrik thought Ulti might be Rosh too, and if he wasn't he could townclear him.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:30:39 AM
#241
Uhh hit the post button by mistake

Anyway to explain that

I was only so adamant hb was town because he had like no defense other than me yesterday. It just seemed weird that mafia would be willing to bus being down a guy, and I frankly didn't think his cause was so lost to not defend.

Like to me the most damning things against hb were interactions with Sultan and Han. Once I got less convinced Han was scum that made me even less sure of Hb. Then you throw in everyone wanting hb dead and only Mzero really going for pushing it everyone else just being lazy and yeah.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:26:57 AM
#239
MZero posted...
I don't like the change for agreeing with me on the Hb-Sultan distancing theory to suddenly not wanting to lynch Hb.

MZero posted...
I don't like the change for agreeing with me on the Hb-Sultan distancing theory to suddenly not wanting to lynch Hb.


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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:24:40 AM
#238
I'm also ok with mass btw. I won't claim without mass though.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:21:10 AM
#237
Red was supporting searching out Corrik's hint yesterday. Weird today he's not interested in that.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:18:40 AM
#236
Also there's no way I'd play Roshan or scum like this. I'm drawing far too much attention to myself.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/12/22 2:14:19 AM
#235
##Vote: Poppy

Even when Hb threw I was sure he was going to flip Roshan, not scum. Can't believe day 1 was scum/scum and there were no diversions.

Anyway I still think resolving Corrik's hint is the way to go. I will only go for Poppy or Ulti today.

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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXIV: Day 88 (RULE CHANGE) [smfffc]
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09/11/22 5:44:27 PM
#128
Rikku

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TopicMCU General 11 - Wong: Fugitive From the Law
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09/11/22 4:20:33 PM
#211
LinkMarioSamus posted...
The above comment just makes me remember the same criticism being frequently levelled at Lex Luthor in Batman v. Superman.

Actually true but Luthor at least has charm. Though you could (and I would) argue its the completely wrong type of charm for Lex Luthor. But he is a character.

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TopicMCU General 11 - Wong: Fugitive From the Law
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09/11/22 2:59:20 PM
#207
I still haven't seen faws and don't care for Zemo either. Feels more like a plot device than a villain.

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Topic[BAME] R3D3: Up vs. South Park, Toy Story 3 vs. Tangled
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09/11/22 12:59:28 PM
#30
Up
Tangled

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TopicCould Donkey Kong defeat the Prince of Persia in a fight?
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09/11/22 12:54:37 PM
#25
I don't think Prince needs even a single rewind to take this one

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TopicDo you like this character 1419: Ted "Theodore" Logan (Bill & Ted)
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09/11/22 12:51:11 PM
#15
Yes

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TopicGame of Gen 5: Final Fantasy VIII vs. Wild Arms 2 | Diddy Kong Racing vs. Spyro
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09/10/22 10:23:58 PM
#22
Arms
Spyro

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Topic[Dyltc?] Perfect Scores R1D11: Yusuke/Roland, Shao/Diablo, GOB/John, Kelso/Sam
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09/10/22 9:51:01 PM
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Shao
John
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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 4:20:49 PM
#74
Roshan wants that lynch to happen. Death was showing signs he would possibly join the Poppy lynch and he was silenced

I sure hope some people stop afking for the rush and see that the fix is in here

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 4:11:58 PM
#66
Oh y'all done it now, he's going to kill you all

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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXIV: Day 87 [smfffc]
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09/10/22 4:00:34 PM
#89
Ramza

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 3:57:50 PM
#60
Ulti is also calling Mzero obvtown today

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 3:45:28 PM
#52
So all 4 non-town are 4/5 votes on the hb lynch.

Subtlety out of the window, scum just wants town to take this as it idles out and dies it looks like

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 3:43:38 PM
#50
Kirby321 posted...
However, I think it's more important to deny scum the bonus gold for lynching one of their own.

I strongly doubt scum get any bonus gold from lynching one of their own

But this is a game that thought killing your own minions to deny the other player gold was a good idea so who knows

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 3:40:03 PM
#47
Ulti does not needlessly claim Bodyguard except to confirm himself town

He's not town aligned

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 3:36:29 PM
#45
Han got stunned yesterday so you can effectively cross him off.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 3:30:41 PM
#43
IF Poppy flips town. I'm going to italicize all of this because I don't want people to take it seriously-- this is only to be used if Poppy flips town and I'm night killed.

Corrik not leaving a hint, zero chance. He basically said he was doing that. Corrik dying from something that isn't his ability, zero chance. Game setup won't work.

I still think MZero is scum regardless. MZero slipped hard by being so sure I'm wrong so as to posit absurd game setup and ability use combinations that make my theories look tame.

Two possibilities.
  1. Corrik would have had to have targeted Ulti (BAD HINT BRO). Ulti is scum. The last scum after Ulti and MZero? I don't know. Figure it out. I actually lean SBell in this fringe case because I think me being allowed to live was due to suspecting Han + Hb and thinking MZero is town.
  2. Death is lying. Corrik in that case did target Kirby, and Death was lying to protect him. So your scum are Death + Kirby + MZero. Ulti is probably Roshan. This one, I can't really believe as plausible.


This is meaningless because Poppy is clearly scum from his thrashing, but yeah.

Now I'm done. Let's lynch Poppy. Never felt better about it now that he's calling me scum and claiming he did Corrik hint research based on one post and a tag.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 3:12:59 PM
#38
Hb also looks townish because Ulti and Poppy flipped from calling him townlike at end of day 1 to trying to lynch him day 2

In Poppy's case it's supposedly based on a Sultan flip (who he already thought was scum-- why does confirming that then make Hb scum)

Like it's not all what Hb did. It's what the game is doing too.

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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXIV: Day 87 [smfffc]
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09/10/22 2:59:47 PM
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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 2:55:46 PM
#30
UltimaterializerX posted...
Oh and attacking someone who hasnt played with Corrik before because they didnt pick up a Corrik hint is just weak. He is a very difficult player to draw conclusions from.

He only read topic 4, remember. The issue isn't whether he did, but rather whether he tried.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 2:53:05 PM
#28
PoppyTheNinja posted...
atp it feels just as likely there were other role related shenanigans we can't know about that caused corrik to die and basing all arguments around what amounts to a guessing game as opposed to, you know, people's actual posts, is really bad play

I'm doing both btw

You think I'm making it entirely on the role action is reductive. You have not reacted how someone who is town would react here. You've flipped back and forth on whether I'm bad at the game or scum. Town usually picks one and goes with it.

It's ok. I think the game is solved. I'd almost rather be lynched than Hb just because I know Hb is wrong and there is a roadmap for scum to win by going with all the low hanging fruit.

It really is as simple as Poppy Ulti MZero scum, Kirby roshan though.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 2:47:32 PM
#25
Corrik's tirade makes perfect sense on all fronts if you assume he scanned Kirby as Roshan with his day action (very good day action target, miller claim, makes sense) and was trying to townclear with his night action. He made two points during the "if i die look at these things" post. One of which was Kirby, the other was "my vote is where it is"

I know people don't want to assume that that could be possible and that he'd just bag Roshan, but I know Corrik would prefer to lynch Roshan later and try to win the game for town instead. He also needed information to townclear himself and not be an easy mislynch.

His victory condition is not to defeat Roshan. His victory condition is to win the game for town. Remember that.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 2:39:13 PM
#21
PoppyTheNinja posted...
"in here" is the operative word

You would not mention having looked based on literally two posts, one of which is tag. You would not. More accurately you would say "Corrik's one post during the rush didn't give a hint, I'll keep looking back" if that's what you meant.

You did not attempt to look and were trying to sweep it under the rug because that line leads to scum

Also even a passing read of earlier topics would have had Corrik's incessant rambling about the cult leader in your head I would think

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 2:36:19 PM
#19
Like that's clearly a lie

This is flailing scum personified

I just need some people with the guts to put votes on the high fruit. Are you bad enough to not lynch Hb? Join me and crush this scum.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 2:32:23 PM
#17


PoppyTheNinja posted...
well i went to look at corrik's posts in here and there was no hint about who he was targeting so that's pretty useless

PoppyTheNinja posted...
i said corrik had no hints IN TOPIC 4

In topic 4 Corrik had literally 2 posts, one of which was "tag"

[X] DOUBT

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 2:24:30 PM
#12
By the way

You can't believe Sultan is scum yesterday, call Hb town yesterday
Then flip your stance on Hb based on Sultan's flip if you throught Sultan was scum yesterday

You do realize that doesn't make sense right

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 2:19:15 PM
#6
Don't reduce my argument to that Poppy

I'm attacking you primarily because you claimed Corrik left no hints (obviously he left hints on Kirby)
Secondarily for flopping on whether I'm town or flailing scum (what)
Your posting style is a distant third

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia
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09/10/22 2:15:55 PM
#3
Okay guys

While I think it's clearly Poppy, I am willing to vote any of the following people today as a compromise. This is my preference in descending order.

Poppy - Vote. Always pay attention to Corrik's vote.
Kirby - Cult Leader
Ulti - We're in the endgame now

MZero is also obvscum who gave up his positioning but should not be lynched as there is MZero chance Corrik targeted him.

Or you guys can just kill Hb whatever. I'm done until closer till deadline. Under no circumstances will I vote anyone else.

Have fun playing the game.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 5 - Mo Money Mo Mayo
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09/10/22 2:09:27 PM
#455
UltimaterializerX posted...
Changing my mind on a read? Not allowed.

Not allowed for what you've claimed you changed it on, no.

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 5 - Mo Money Mo Mayo
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09/10/22 2:08:49 PM
#454
PoppyTheNinja posted...
i think atp lopen's arguments are so garbage he's actually flailing scum

Lol

Why do I need to flail Poppy

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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 5 - Mo Money Mo Mayo
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09/10/22 2:07:22 PM
#451
I literally just read the deadline actually so no he wasn't spending the whole deadline burying Sultan.

He did call Hb town a few times though, which makes today stand out.

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