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ctesjbuvf posted...

The miller case you're making here is also stupid. I was ready to humor two millers but I thought three would be ridiculous. How is that unreasonable. Why should I think there was no lier there because one of them flipped? Why would it have to be only me or all three? That logic is so bad.

You claim miller day 1 and force the standoff in this case imo

ctesjbuvf posted...

Consider why scum ctes would say he watched Lopen night 2 as scum.

Scum ctes

1. Doesn't know Lopen is psychic
2. Thinks Lopen thinks highly of himself and will believe the watch choice

Unlike previous days I am not willing to be lynched before Ctes

Ctes is 100% scum (not 99.7% hoops) and my role can confirm some people (or force a "someone is lying" situation) if I survive the night.

So it's imperative I be left alive.

Consider why Ctes would watch me night 2

That's really all you need to know he's not watcher

And a third miller wouldn't keep going for the head of the second miller when the first miller had flipped

That's really all you need to know he's not miller

red13n posted...

I hammer.

Are you able to vote normally at all? Can you double vote? What if your vote is on someone else, does it hammer anyway?

Do you have an item?

ctesjbuvf posted...

You can't just list some reasons to act like you also didn't claim good roles couldn't exist.

I didn't say that as the core of my argument. This is entirely to help figure out Roshan. You were caught in a lie, Ulti has been being built for days.

I am saying lynch Ulti because

1. Ulti has been trying to townconfirm himself all game
2. Corrik hinted Thanos
3. He waffled on Hb
4. He is trying to take credit for a Sultan lynch he put basically no work into

I am saying lynch Ctes because

1. My role caught him in a lie, I know for a fact no visitors either night.
2. Crusade to lynch a second miller claim doesn't make sense if he's the third miller-- would have claimed miller sooner to help himself, or have said "maybe 3 millers"
3. Using this claim as a way to avoid interacting with the game.

Setup meta is why I buy Poppy's claim, and why my Rosh priority has MZero/Red/Sbell high. Sbell has some actual function so he might actually be Rosh the more I think about it

Red how exactly does your role work.

Fun fact I am saying lynch neither of you due to setup meta

That being said

Ctes
Ulti
MZero
Red
Sbell

I think this lynch order is impossible to lose with. If Ulti flips Rosh I would swap Poppy in to lynch before MZero because Corrik had to have killed himself on someone he hinted, but you know, use your judgment I guess.

For the record I'm not necessarily saying buy items to use them on me, but you could absolutely fake me out by visiting the shop in daylight. The point is to throw off the number guessing math. You have to be sure I won't just guess the right number.

IF Ulti is Rosh you absolutely do not clear Poppy btw.

If we wait like 90 mins we get shop changes too which people may want I dunno

So I actually did think I was possibly going to be killed last night because I thought Hb was gonna flip Rosh

I was the only person on the earth who thought that though, so not a good night kill at all. I look p bad once Hb flips scum.

changmas posted...

he said it's jailkeeper

Oh

Yeah def kill it

I absolutely have to think about my role

If we don't mass and I just claim without a mass you "watch" other people

I am the strongest role in the game outside of Corrik

i will say that my role catching fakeclaims is exactly why I wanted all of us to reveal all information, and why I thought mass would be good.

And it worked spectacularly. I played my role how you'd expect.

You haven't played miller how you'd expect
You haven't played watcher how you'd expect (why on earth watch me night 2)

Ulti what's your shard upgrade

Check your role PM ctes maybe you're ninja watcher

Divined.

Screw you autocorrect.

Ulti as Rosh is also possible

But I think Poppy doesn't claim that role early if he's scum/Rosh. Now that we've seen a bunch of dumb role claims it fits though.

Ulti being the Endgame now + Poppy being a bad lead makes the most sense.

So you always go

Ctes
Ulti
MZero
Red
Sbell

That's the lynch order. If I'm lying I will be alive tomorrow and will get the number wrong when we stp. In fact we should probably not end the day till we get the new shop items. Then people can use worthless shop items on me too to throw the math off. My dividned number shall solve the game.

Very true

Ulti must protect me as he said

I invite as many players to target me as possible so we can properly catch people in lies. We will have a magical same time number game tomorrow it's gonna be awesome.

Rosh suspects after Ctes into Ulti

Most Rosh
MZero
Red
Sbell
Kirby
Poppy
Chang
Least Rosh

I think I'll probably die tonight because scum doesn't want my ability to help solve Kirby and Ulti but I am a good Rosh mislynch so maybe I'll get killed. Just in case though.

You always lynch Ctes and Ulti first. You wipe out mafia that basically imo clears Poppy.

Obellisk posted...

Role Madness... where we literally have to rely on playing mafia because the madness part is that the roles do nothing.

Yup

We caught Ulti and Ctes with this mass. Too good

Roshan hammering yeah.

But having a dumb fluff ability may work depending on hammer function. In which case Mzero or you are rosh.

Poppy I now believe. Dumb fluff ability seems right now.

I think Ulti is scum and Red is Roshan on second thought

Let's end the day before Roshan stuns someone

##Unvote:
##Vote: Ctes

UltimaterializerX posted...

Im going to protect Lopen tonight. He might be dumb town, but hes still town. And I am making absolute sure scum doesnt kill him to frame me for a mislynch.

This is a good idea

Then I can say whether I had 0, 1, or 2 (or 3!??) visitors and we can collaborate our stories

Btw Kirby I think you should use your ability tonight

Tomorrow we can same time reveal if I was visited or not to put town at some more ease on the two of us

ctesjbuvf posted...

Also now that I have finally claimed miller, literally everything I have done in the game should make sense. There's a hint about this in my very first post of the game but I didn't want to claim watcher d1.

You claim miller a lot sooner than this if you're not lying

Obellisk posted...

What is the purpose of Tango?

It has the same effect as the shop item that increases our health regen

I was thinking that's how the game dresses doc saves but seeing our junky abilities I'm thinking it's just worthless now.

It's probably Ctes + Ulti + MZero

I think Poppy is telling the truth now too because his ability also sucks.

I think all our abilities suck

I think Ulti is lying because his ability doesn't suck
I think Ctes is lying for obvious reasons

Ctes is scum.

RIZZRAKK
TOWN Psychic - I am informed if I am visited at night. Not who, but the number of visitors.
Tango (2 charges) - I get greatly increased health regeneration for the night or day I use it. I cannot give it away. I assume this is how doc saves work in this game and I'm basically bulletproof when I use it but I am not sure.

Night 0 - No visitors
Night 1 - Used Tango, No visitors
Night 2 - Used Tango, No visitors

Leave out what you feel is pro town to leave out I suppose just realize you must fight uphill if it comes to that

I say no upgrade but it can be used at our discretion.

Ok. In about 10 minutes we claim.

Leave no info out.

Ctes and Chang confirm your clocks and prep your posts

The time now is :53:30

5:05:00 EST, about 14 minutes from now

Everyone sync their clocks and do it

Ulti I'm still playing different (but the same as the game I was plying different)

Ulti keeps talking about soul mafia when I literally played that game for part of a day as a replace.

Okay well 8 minutes sucks too.

Ctes how late can you stay today. Let's just let you pick the time.

Yeah I don't support this without both you and Sbell.

Ok kinda short notice now, don't want anyone pressured. 4:55 EST suggested as new time

Will confirm this new time, about 17 minutes from now.

Ctes and Sbell are you on board with a claim in that format.

Me and Chang already went for it. it'd be in about 12m from now.

changmas posted...

Its less about setup meta and more about someone will be lying meta

This is why I want same time with all the info yes.

Anyway I suggest 4:45 EST (or about 30m from now) as a mass claim time, using the format I suggested.

If someone would rather not or would rather try and coordinate MZero in, speak now, otherwise we should confirm. I will confirm this as an acceptable time.

I am happy to mass as a same time
I am happy to lynch Ulti
I am willing to lynch Poppy or Red but would rather lynch Ulti

Nothing else makes me happy right now

UltimaterializerX posted...

Those who visited the shop should say what their role upgrades to.

I actually would rather not reveal this though. Don't think it serves us.

I am only interested in this idea if we all reveal all information. If people are afraid of all information then I'm not interested and would rather just continue pursuing the Corrik thread.

So format should be this

Flavor Name
Role Name + Effect
Item (effect)

Any claimed night actions

We need to put all of this in our post.