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ColdOne666 posted...

It's a soccer match, why is everyone trying to dump a pile of politics on it.

What is political about being gay?

Srk700 posted...

There's also a 3rd ending that you get if you miss the 2/2 deadline.

Thanks for bringing my attention to this. This one is, strange. Maruki puts Ren into a coma?

I also want to shout out the 'false' ending you can get if you side with Maruki and he takes everyone's picture.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/3/3/AAcZIZAAD7ct.jpg
This is such a powerful 'bad ending.' The end credits then flash a bunch of pictures of everyone living happily, like Haru with her father, Ryuji in the track team, and Joker & Akechi playing chess as friends.

No clearly terrible or evil fate. No cop-out "it's all yellow wallpaper and everyone is suffering" or "Maruki becomes a tyrant with tentacle marionette strings extending from everyone's bodies". You will get what is promised and whether that is worth it is up to you.

Ok I wasn't prepared for it to be live

I adore the "I decide the truth", fits well into his January characterization

Best showtime I think is HaruxMakoto, followed by MakotoxRyuji and RenxAkechi. The devs really love Makoto and want you to think she is so cool. RenxSumire is nearly great but it's jarring to see them do the tango fall right after the weird spiritual Kasumi dance. Kinda interrupts the duo dynamic.

Alucard188 posted...

and maybe a "I am a part of you" type of nod towards Joker.

oh no, Persona: Asakusa Knight incoming

GranolaPanic posted...

Isnt the topic title a spoiler?

eh, he's the least subtle character in the game, it's really obvious you'll face him right from the prologue.

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I mean there's so many and they get forgotten so quickly how can I name just one? I've seen tweets and articles about China-wide covid protest, overthrowing Xi Jinping, Xinjiang revolt etc etc multiples times just this year and nothing ever comes of it.

The worst is when people just post tweets of single out of context photos of urban areas in China from twitter users that don't even seem to be from China themselves.

The thing is people eat up news that there's some rebellion in China/North Korea/etc because it feels like the good guys are winning I guess. But they never try at all to verify the details.

Yellow is a great bright color.

YellowSUV posted...

Persona 4's final boss was great because

That is a cool mechanic in how to discover it, but that does not qualify it as 'great' to me. I just have no interest in fighting some monster non-character, especially in a game about bonds and connections with each other. Frankly, I was completely checked out once Adachi was down. Yes, yes, the P4 entities are said to be manifestations of the human mind, except unlike in P5 we get little to no indication of that in P4. I don't have beef with these beings besides that they are simply exerting their will on the human world in a way I don't want.

There's just a huge gap between human motivations and the abstract machinations of deities who are put down like machines.

these claims come up every month and turn out to be highly exaggerated by western press every time.

yillin posted...

Plus, I didn't get the royal ending because I had no idea how to even activate it which is irritating because I won't be playing the game again any time soon because of the length.

Sorry to hear that. After taking my licks from other persona games I follow a guide for this shit. I don't feel any worse for it.

What's with companies and 'tests' that destroy their brand value

MaxEffingBemis posted...

I thought the music was great though

I think it is good, but too short a loop.

Srk700 posted...

I liked P5R's ending, but I vastly prefer the original ending scene. Having Joker's friends show up one final time to drive him home themselves felt alot better than them what happened in Royal.

Yeah, I looked up the difference and it is certainly a clumsy change. Love Maruki, but nobody should upstage your friends at the end of a Persona game.

Shido is undercooked.

Okumura arc just doesn't have the detailing the rest of the game does. Certainly the weakest.

I like Mementos arc if you mean the God of control palace. I was super annoyed how in P4, Adachi is what you're chasing the whole time but he is quickly upstaged by a god which is pretty much just not foreshadowed. It's an anticlimactic confrontation. The true ending isn't any better. It's not much of a conspiracy when a god is pulling strings, that's just what gods do. It doesn't actually create answers when a story does it-- explaining supernatural coincidences with... wow, a supernatural force. How compelling.

In P5, once again you go up against a god, except this time it fits very nicely into the motif of rebelling against society. You literally take on everyone and the god of control is a very good expy for the population. I also like how it takes the seemingly generic side content hub dungeon and turn it into the true center of everything.

Yeah, that is the best game in the series by orders of magnitude. Probably the best SMT game period.

Maruki is such an enormous improvement on Shido being the human final boss. It's really refreshing to see a palace about someone who has a 'positive' delusion, where they don't just want to exploit people. It speaks really highly to Royal how well integrated January is into the game's ideas despite being an inversion of their targets.

I love how you just talk things through first on 2/2, you both have convictions that warrant a Persona which are simply opposed to each other, he calmly accepts your calling card and has no desire to change your mind in a way that does not 'help' you.

His phase 1 boss fight is sublime. I dunno that the mech thing was needed, but I did adore the scene of all the thieves holding back the punch together, it was a good way to make the end of this encounter impactful while not overshadowing or repeating the incredible sequence against the original final boss.

The rest of the game of course is really good too. The flashforward mechanic and media res opening work really well to play with your expectations and keep up your curiosity. Really stylish presentation and good gameplay.

The Thieves could've stood to have some more relaxation time together that wasn't half spent obsessing over being PTs (looking at you Ryuji). I think Persona 4 still has the tightest friend group. Despite always having Morgana with you, a lot of P5 feels spent in isolation. Ann is your only direct classmate and you never talk in class, you just text, which does not have the same effect. Part of this is definitely intentional since imprisonment is a motif of the game, but there is a tradeoff.

The group probably has one member too many, especially when Sumire and Akechi are skulking around too. The odd one out is pretty clear... Haru. Way too little time spent on her, doesn't get to develop her own 'voice.' You can glean some stuff, like how her way of speaking is the put-on air of authority a princess might have to rally the people. But she gets very little to show of herself to you or the other thieves. Her background doesn't integrate either. Yusuke makes your calling cards. Makoto exploits her authority as prez and Sae's sister to investigate. Futaba can hack anything. But Haru's great wealth has surprisingly no bearing on anything the thieves do. It's easy to forget she's even upper class. This makes her last minute arrival especially stick out compared to Ann or Ryuji, who have the slack of being founders.

The Shido fight was lolzy. Why did he turn red... was it inspired by Senator Armstrong? Except Armstrong actually had a huge build and a Texas cavalier attitude. Shido just didn't work for me. The way he Ganons you into a one on one isn't very cool either since their rivalry is so lame that NEITHER EVEN REMEMBERED EACH OTHER. The MGS-like punch-out between Ren and Maruki was way better. Great detail that they can't even use their personas anymore and their outfits crumble as they fight.

I don't know why but I always tear up when the heroes win with the power of belief or friendship. The Phan-Site poll becoming a set piece and surging to 100% as the Thieves regained their power was incredible.

I can't believe how right-before-your-eyes the Igor twist was. Wish true Igor got to speak some more but I guess the JP VA died so they didnt want to recast him much.

Akechi. Great rival, becomes a little laughable when he goes full "I DONT NEED FREINDS WAAAAH." Wholly redeemed by becoming Joker's partner in January. It's so fucking cool when the two of you are the only ones aware of what is going on. He's really likable despite being a horrible person because of how he's honest with you and doesn't just basically worship you like the average Persona friend. The dynamic reminds me a tiny bit of Death Note?

He really deserved his last moments being everyone stepping on him as he's crammed in the bottom of a cat helicopter. Not sure what's up with him passing by you in the post credits. Look, I like Akechi a lot aesthetically and thematically. That dude does NOT deserve to be a free man walking. He shot Haru's dad in the head and liked it. His third awakening has him declare he will sow chaos as wide as he can. He is literally a danger to society. And i liked it better that giving up your chance to settle your promise with Akechi is the price of returning to reality. That sequence in the cafe with Maruki was really well done. No idea if Akechi shows up in Strikers, but I heard that game doesn't try to acknowledge Royal. Which is a shame, because it's the crown jewel of Persona 5.

Was gonna offer Krillen but then remembered he yeeted Cell's fetus

Let's be real here guys, the salt that will sell for the most money to rich people as a delicacy will be the salt at the core of a Nacli

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/7/3/AAcZIZAAD7SZ.png
https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nacli_(Pok%C3%A9mon)

Nacli is a Pokmon composed of rock salt. Its upper body is rugged and brown, with an off-white stripe circling it, while its lower body is a white salt cube with rectangular orange-yellow eyes. A white salt cube is embedded on the top half of its body as well.

Nacli are born deep within the earth, inside layers of rock salt. Bits of salt are scraped off of Nacli as it travels the ground, although Nacli is able to create and replenish salt inside its body as well. In the past, Nacli was treasured by people who would use its salt. Even today, Nacli salt is still used in foods such as ice cream, because it has a gentle flavor.

So this pokemon is literally made of rock salt that is highly valued. We know people eat Pokmon from Slowpoke tails being sold for consumption in GSC, and in fact Team Rocket set about destroying an ecosystem in order to meet demand. Because of that, I can imagine a terrible factory farming of Naclis.

Guys dis is the biggest rivalry in footbawl

What can I say. Our school spirit is just stronger

ya know?

ElatedVenusaur posted...

Yeah...for comparison:

Base Delibird (Ice/Flying, Vital Spirit/Hustle/Insomnia) stats: 45/55/45/65/45/75
Iron Bundle Delibird (Water/Ice, Quark Drive*): 56/80/114/124/60/136
*Boosts the Pokemon's highest stat one stage on Electric Terrain or if the Pokemon is holding Booster Energy
This thing hits like a truck, has a great STAB combo, and is faster than just about everything. It even gets Flip Turn/U-Turn to get the hell out of dodge if something it can't murder switches in.

Those still aren't even pseudo legendary stats.

Since when is Delibird a good Pokemon? It has terrible base stats.

I have never seen Tulsi Gabbard say one leftist thing

The average online Stirner fan is the property of so many spooks.

"Simple History"
It's a military history channel too

Ser_Jaker posted...

I'd say it's one of the best. What's bad about it?

Multi level one way tile navigation plus the bowling ball plus the switches mean you take a huge time loss for the slightest error, which is exacerbated by this being a square grid game that Nintendo forces you to use the joystick with. I bet it was simpler on GBC, but in this version, you WILL take falls because your jump wasn't perfectly aligned (especially any hint of a diagonal), and the game engine conservatively holds your distance back to prevent exploits. The game also loves to eat jump inputs right after entering an area, and this dungeon contains places where this becomes painfully obvious.

There's literally chunks of the level that are useless. There are two extra keys on pointless locks just to make you think you might be making progress but all they do is create a shortcut that is still 1-way and no better than your available routes.

The huge walls of switch fences make getting the lay of the level much more difficult too. The first floor is outright a labyrinth for the sake of it. There's nothing clever going on, it is just meant to frustrate you and extend your time spent. On the second floor, you need to be boomeranging the switches proactively so that your journey back up isn't even fucking worse.

There's a mini boss room with the guy that throws Link. If he tosses you, you appear programmed to fall into one of the holes which kills your whole progress, and if you didn't proactively change the switches behind you, even worse.

The enemy layout is petty. Multiple rooms which make up a necessary route for progression you must take multiple times (even if playing totally optimally) are filled with the invincible rotator blades that hit you IMMEDIATELY upon entering the room. Similarly, the flaming Frisbee enemies that are immune to most kinds of damage are positioned to run straight into Link from his starting point. They don't threaten a game over because there are heals, but it adds to the pointless tedium nonetheless.

This is all on top of the journey to this place being the worst in the game, with a wild goose chase to find the dungeon key. This dungeon singlehandedly kills the pacing and momentum of this whole game and there's no time to recover afterwards.

Questionmarktarius posted...

It's the last one, so it has to be the most annoying. That's the rules for Zelda.

Except Turtle Rock is much less of a headache than Eagle Tower.

Bashir is great and probably underrated. I didn't appreciate him enough on my first watch because he doesn't display the complexity that other main characters do, but on rewatch that's a huge asset to the show. His whimsy and naivete balances out the crew of disillusioned hardasses. Then when they're deeper into the series they throw him a twist, which IMO worked out really well both in recontextualizing early episodes and adding to his repotoire of tricks. He's not the king of the doctors, that will probably always be Beverly Crusher, but he's really important to DS9.

Ro Laren is... fine, but was never a favorite of mine. She has good episode concepts like being a ghost with Geordi (who'd expect such chemistry from the two? I guess Levar Burton goes good with anything) or the Troi command episode. But I was never captivated by her.

That's why they had the weird story arc about Kira pregnant with Keiko's baby, cuz Nana Visitor was really pregnant WTF

Also, crazy how well she aged!
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/5/7/AAcZIZAAD7Fp.jpg

One of my favorite Star Trek actors and characters ever.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Second Quest level 9 may disagree here

Well I haven't played it per topic title. Sorry to hear there's something even worse people have wasted their precious finite lifespan on.

Antifar posted...

I loved Eagle Tower, and the way it makes you think I'm three dimensions despite it being a 2D game

The concept is fine, the problem is the unparalleled amount of tedium required to make any progress.

Irony posted...

The only people that think the water temple is even in the bottom five dungeons in the series are people that haven't played Ocarina of Time in like 20 years

I played on 3ds so I can't speak to if it was worse on N64

LA Switch version of Eagle Tower is possibly MORE tedious than GBC due to performance issues and joycon drift, despite the second item button.

OoT water temple looks as immaculate as Tetris compared to this

If you buy a Pokmon game in 2022 it's on you.

People have been pretending GameFreak isn't Sonic Team-tier at this point because the core JRPG gameplay is so simple it's hard to noticeably mess up even though everything around it is a trash fire.