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deathproof12 11/26/22 5:30:11 AM #1:	It was way too strong terrorizing the metagame with insane sp atk and speed. <cite>deathproof12 posted [p:969707221] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>It was way too strong terrorizing the metagame with insane sp atk and speed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PerseusRad 11/26/22 5:31:59 AM #2:	It also hit pretty much everything for at least neutral damage, with Water, Ice, and Freeze-Dry. So it got the most out of its stats, switching into it was probably dangerous. --- http://i.imgur.com/EUkIomS.jpg <cite>PerseusRad posted [p:969707230] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>It also hit pretty much everything for at least neutral damage, with Water, Ice, and Freeze-Dry. So it got the most out of its stats, switching into it was probably dangerous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Touch 11/26/22 5:36:28 AM #3:	Wat --- Did anything ever really count Or was I just a two year practice round? <cite>Touch posted [p:969707257] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Wat</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViewtifulJoe 11/26/22 5:47:11 AM #4:	Does Ubers still mean anything now that Rayquaza's no laws no accountability anything goes theme park is open? Or did are they happier to move stronger things away to ubers now that it's less like a banlist and more like a next tier up? --- Still waiting on that third threat <cite>ViewtifulJoe posted [p:969707323] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Does Ubers still mean anything now that Rayquaza's no laws no accountability anything goes theme park is open?Or did are they happier to move stronger things away to ubers now that it's less like a banlist and more like a next tier up?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PerseusRad 11/26/22 5:51:30 AM #5:	ViewtifulJoe posted... Does Ubers still mean anything now that Rayquaza's no laws no accountability anything goes theme park is open? Or did are they happier to move stronger things away to ubers now that it's less like a banlist and more like a next tier up? Ubers still tries to preserve balance, even if the balance is really strong. Anything Goes doesnt use the exact same rules as Ubers, but Im not that familiar with what exactly is different. Right now theres no Pokemon in SV good enough to be banned from Ubers. Theres only like 6 Pokemon in Ubers in the first place. --- http://i.imgur.com/EUkIomS.jpg <cite>PerseusRad posted [p:969707348] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>ViewtifulJoe posted... </cite><quote>Does Ubers still mean anything now that Rayquaza's no laws no accountability anything goes theme park is open?Or did are they happier to move stronger things away to ubers now that it's less like a banlist and more like a next tier up?</quote>Ubers still tries to preserve balance, even if the balance is really strong. Anything Goes doesnt use the exact same rules as Ubers, but Im not that familiar with what exactly is different. Right now theres no Pokemon in SV good enough to be banned from Ubers. Theres only like 6 Pokemon in Ubers in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeCh0nk 11/26/22 5:57:24 AM #6:	Wow now that's a 180 if I've sever seen one. --- @('_')@ <cite>LeCh0nk posted [p:969707390] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Wow now that's a 180 if I've sever seen one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 11/26/22 6:03:33 AM #7:	Lol Smogon. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:969707432] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Lol Smogon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 11/26/22 11:25:52 AM #8:	special delibirdy! --- The stone that fell is still falling, so let that stone be a wondrous thing <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:969711466] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>special delibirdy!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 11/26/22 11:33:03 AM #9:	sort of misleading topic because it's not delibird, it's the alternate delibird form that is about 100x better than base delibird in every possible way I didn't actually see it used much but just looking at the stats/moves I'm not super surprised --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:969711593] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>sort of misleading topic because it's not delibird, it's the alternate delibird form that is about 100x better than base delibird in every possible wayI didn't actually see it used much but just looking at the stats/moves I'm not super surprised</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 11/26/22 11:35:45 AM #10:	PerseusRad posted... Ubers still tries to preserve balance, even if the balance is really strong. Anything Goes doesnt use the exact same rules as Ubers, but Im not that familiar with what exactly is different. Right now theres no Pokemon in SV good enough to be banned from Ubers. Theres only like 6 Pokemon in Ubers in the first place. AG is currently dominated by Tera Electric Shedinja with Air Balloon and Sunny Day. It's dumb but literally unkillable except to surprise Sand --- If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it? <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:969711644] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>PerseusRad posted...</cite><quote>Ubers still tries to preserve balance, even if the balance is really strong. Anything Goes doesnt use the exact same rules as Ubers, but Im not that familiar with what exactly is different. Right now theres no Pokemon in SV good enough to be banned from Ubers. Theres only like 6 Pokemon in Ubers in the first place.</quote>AG is currently dominated by Tera Electric Shedinja with Air Balloon and Sunny Day. It's dumb but literally unkillable except to surprise Sand</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 11/26/22 11:37:18 AM #11:	fire_bolt posted... AG is currently dominated by Tera Electric Shedinja with Air Balloon and Sunny Day. It's dumb but literally unkillable except to surprise Sand That's....amazing. --- I'm Queen of Tomorrow baby! Remember: heat from fire, fire from heat! She/her <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:969711685] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>fire_bolt posted... </cite><quote>AG is currently dominated by Tera Electric Shedinja with Air Balloon and Sunny Day. It's dumb but literally unkillable except to surprise Sand</quote>That's....amazing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 11/26/22 11:38:30 AM #12:	Since when is Delibird a good Pokemon? It has terrible base stats. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:969711712] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Since when is Delibird a good Pokemon? It has terrible base stats.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 11/26/22 11:40:05 AM #13:	Doe posted... Since when is Delibird a good Pokemon? since it became a cyborg --- The stone that fell is still falling, so let that stone be a wondrous thing <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:969711742] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>Since when is Delibird a good Pokemon?</quote>since it became a cyborg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 11/26/22 11:56:17 AM #14:	Yeah...for comparison: Base Delibird (Ice/Flying, Vital Spirit/Hustle/Insomnia) stats: 45/55/45/65/45/75 Iron Bundle Delibird (Water/Ice, Quark Drive): 56/80/114/124/60/136 ~~Boosts the Pokemon's highest stat one stage on Electric Terrain or if the Pokemon is holding Booster Energy~~ This thing hits like a truck, has a great STAB combo, and is faster than just about everything. It even gets Flip Turn/U-Turn to get the hell out of dodge if something it can't murder switches in. --- I'm Queen of Tomorrow baby! Remember: heat from fire, fire from heat! She/her <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:969712085] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Yeah...for comparison:Base Delibird (Ice/Flying, Vital Spirit/Hustle/Insomnia) stats: 45/55/45/65/45/75Iron Bundle Delibird (Water/Ice, Quark Drive): 56/80/114/124/60/136Boosts the Pokemon's highest stat one stage on Electric Terrain or if the Pokemon is holding Booster EnergyThis thing hits like a truck, has a great STAB combo, and is faster than just about everything. It even gets Flip Turn/U-Turn to get the hell out of dodge if something it can't murder switches in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flintlock_Staff 11/26/22 12:16:40 PM #15:	ElatedVenusaur posted... Yeah...for comparison: Base Delibird (Ice/Flying, Vital Spirit/Hustle/Insomnia) stats: 45/55/45/65/45/75 Iron Bundle Delibird (Water/Ice, Quark Drive): 56/80/114/124/60/136 ~~Boosts the Pokemon's highest stat one stage on Electric Terrain or if the Pokemon is holding Booster Energy~~ This thing hits like a truck, has a great STAB combo, and is faster than just about everything. It even gets Flip Turn/U-Turn to get the hell out of dodge if something it can't murder switches in. The one stage thing is incorrect apparently and smogon admitted they had it wrong btw. It's a 30% boost to anything not speed (50% holds true for speed) https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/abilities/quark-drive/ <cite>Flintlock_Staff posted [p:969712503] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite><quote>Yeah...for comparison:Base Delibird (Ice/Flying, Vital Spirit/Hustle/Insomnia) stats: 45/55/45/65/45/75Iron Bundle Delibird (Water/Ice, Quark Drive): 56/80/114/124/60/136Boosts the Pokemon's highest stat one stage on Electric Terrain or if the Pokemon is holding Booster EnergyThis thing hits like a truck, has a great STAB combo, and is faster than just about everything. It even gets Flip Turn/U-Turn to get the hell out of dodge if something it can't murder switches in.</quote>The one stage thing is incorrect apparently and smogon admitted they had it wrong btw. It's a 30% boost to anything not speed (50% holds true for speed)https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/abilities/quark-drive/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 11/26/22 12:23:11 PM #16:	Flintlock_Staff posted... The one stage thing is incorrect apparently and smogon admitted they had it wrong btw. It's a 30% boost to anything not speed (50% holds true for speed) https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/abilities/quark-drive/ Oh, that's just weird. --- I'm Queen of Tomorrow baby! Remember: heat from fire, fire from heat! She/her <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:969712621] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Flintlock_Staff posted... </cite><quote>The one stage thing is incorrect apparently and smogon admitted they had it wrong btw. It's a 30% boost to anything not speed (50% holds true for speed)https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/abilities/quark-drive/</quote>Oh, that's just weird.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 11/26/22 12:26:04 PM #17:	Doe posted... Since when is Delibird a good Pokemon? It has terrible base stats. It's a paradox. --- Release the Batgirl movie! <cite>creativerealms posted [p:969712678] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>Since when is Delibird a good Pokemon? It has terrible base stats.</quote>It's a paradox.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DKBananaSlamma 11/26/22 12:28:04 PM #19:	Yet the cancer that is Landorus-T is still totally fine in OU smh --- Neon >_> <cite>DKBananaSlamma posted [p:969712727] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Yet the cancer that is Landorus-T is still totally fine in OU smh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 11/26/22 12:33:36 PM #20:	DKBananaSlamma posted... Yet the cancer that is Landorus-T is still totally fine in OU smh It's fine. King's Rock was banned from Ubers. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:969712850] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>DKBananaSlamma posted... </cite><quote>Yet the cancer that is Landorus-T is still totally fine in OU smh</quote>It's fine. King's Rock was banned from Ubers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeCh0nk 11/26/22 12:50:29 PM #21:	fire_bolt posted... AG is currently dominated by Tera Electric Shedinja with Air Balloon and Sunny Day. It's dumb but literally unkillable except to surprise Sand How about Stealthrock? --- @('_')@ <cite>LeCh0nk posted [p:969713192] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>fire_bolt posted... </cite><quote>AG is currently dominated by Tera Electric Shedinja with Air Balloon and Sunny Day. It's dumb but literally unkillable except to surprise Sand</quote>How about Stealthrock? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DKBananaSlamma 11/26/22 12:57:31 PM #23:	fire_bolt posted... AG is currently dominated by Tera Electric Shedinja with Air Balloon and Sunny Day. It's dumb but literally unkillable except to surprise Sand lmao, that sounds so fucked --- Neon >_> <cite>DKBananaSlamma posted [p:969713349] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>fire_bolt posted... </cite><quote>AG is currently dominated by Tera Electric Shedinja with Air Balloon and Sunny Day. It's dumb but literally unkillable except to surprise Sand</quote>lmao, that sounds so fucked</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 11/26/22 1:04:42 PM #24:	LeCh0nk posted... How about Stealthrock? can't stealth rock if they lead with it --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:969713536] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>LeCh0nk posted... </cite><quote>How about Stealthrock?</quote>can't stealth rock if they lead with it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeCh0nk 11/26/22 1:06:49 PM #25:	kirbymuncher posted... can't stealth rock if they lead with it Probably possible to PP stall it, but yeah the thing's broken lmao. --- @('_')@ <cite>LeCh0nk posted [p:969713597] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted... </cite><quote>can't stealth rock if they lead with it</quote>Probably possible to PP stall it, but yeah the thing's broken lmao.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sevihaimerej 11/26/22 1:09:08 PM #26:	Oh, this is some kinda Pocket Monsters topic, was thinking Uber Eats was banning restaurants or something --- There was a sig here It's gone now <cite>sevihaimerej posted [p:969713642] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Oh, this is some kinda Pocket Monsters topic, was thinking Uber Eats was banning restaurants or something </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DKBananaSlamma 11/26/22 1:16:54 PM #27:	what's the point of having Sunny Day on Sheninja? If it comes out in Sand/Hail or the opponent uses Sand/Hail, won't it just die the same turn before it has a chance to use it? --- Neon >_> <cite>DKBananaSlamma posted [p:969713782] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>what's the point of having Sunny Day on Sheninja? If it comes out in Sand/Hail or the opponent uses Sand/Hail, won't it just die the same turn before it has a chance to use it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 11/26/22 1:24:12 PM #28:	DKBananaSlamma posted... what's the point of having Sunny Day on Sheninja? If it comes out in Sand/Hail or the opponent uses Sand/Hail, won't it just die the same turn before it has a chance to use it? You use it when you predict a weather-setter coming in. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:969713929] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>DKBananaSlamma posted... </cite><quote>what's the point of having Sunny Day on Sheninja? If it comes out in Sand/Hail or the opponent uses Sand/Hail, won't it just die the same turn before it has a chance to use it?</quote>You use it when you predict a weather-setter coming in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 11/26/22 1:39:01 PM #29:	ElatedVenusaur posted... Yeah...for comparison: Base Delibird (Ice/Flying, Vital Spirit/Hustle/Insomnia) stats: 45/55/45/65/45/75 Iron Bundle Delibird (Water/Ice, Quark Drive): 56/80/114/124/60/136 ~~Boosts the Pokemon's highest stat one stage on Electric Terrain or if the Pokemon is holding Booster Energy~~ This thing hits like a truck, has a great STAB combo, and is faster than just about everything. It even gets Flip Turn/U-Turn to get the hell out of dodge if something it can't murder switches in. Those still aren't even pseudo legendary stats. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:969714201] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite><quote>Yeah...for comparison:Base Delibird (Ice/Flying, Vital Spirit/Hustle/Insomnia) stats: 45/55/45/65/45/75Iron Bundle Delibird (Water/Ice, Quark Drive): 56/80/114/124/60/136Boosts the Pokemon's highest stat one stage on Electric Terrain or if the Pokemon is holding Booster EnergyThis thing hits like a truck, has a great STAB combo, and is faster than just about everything. It even gets Flip Turn/U-Turn to get the hell out of dodge if something it can't murder switches in.</quote>Those still aren't even pseudo legendary stats.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nightmare_Luna 11/26/22 1:55:28 PM #30:	stupid speed tier + free boost -> brain dead click pump spam --- How to play Monster Hunter Step 1: Hit the monster. Step 2: Don't get hit. <cite>Nightmare_Luna posted [p:969714522] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>stupid speed tier + free boost -> brain dead click pump spam</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 11/26/22 2:17:53 PM #31:	DKBananaSlamma posted... what's the point of having Sunny Day on Sheninja? If it comes out in Sand/Hail or the opponent uses Sand/Hail, won't it just die the same turn before it has a chance to use it? Hail doesn't exist anymore. and if you predict your opponent to switch in, say, TTar to set up sand then you use sunny day after the switch to nullify it. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:969714931] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>DKBananaSlamma posted... </cite><quote>what's the point of having Sunny Day on Sheninja? If it comes out in Sand/Hail or the opponent uses Sand/Hail, won't it just die the same turn before it has a chance to use it?</quote>Hail doesn't exist anymore. and if you predict your opponent to switch in, say, TTar to set up sand then you use sunny day after the switch to nullify it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DKBananaSlamma 11/26/22 2:25:14 PM #32:	ZMythos posted... Hail doesn't exist anymore. wait, what the fuck. Why? So is Aurora Veil just completely boned then? --- Neon >_> <cite>DKBananaSlamma posted [p:969715075] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite><quote>Hail doesn't exist anymore.</quote>wait, what the fuck. Why? So is Aurora Veil just completely boned then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PerseusRad 11/26/22 2:26:37 PM #33:	DKBananaSlamma posted... wait, what the fuck. Why? So is Aurora Veil just completely boned then? No, Aurora Veil just works with Snow. Snow doesnt do damage, but increases the defense of Ice types --- http://i.imgur.com/EUkIomS.jpg <cite>PerseusRad posted [p:969715102] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>DKBananaSlamma posted... </cite><quote>wait, what the fuck. Why? So is Aurora Veil just completely boned then?</quote>No, Aurora Veil just works with Snow. Snow doesnt do damage, but increases the defense of Ice types</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nightmare_Luna 11/26/22 2:26:45 PM #34:	DKBananaSlamma posted... wait, what the fuck. Why? So is Aurora Veil just completely boned then? hail has been replaced by snow --- How to play Monster Hunter Step 1: Hit the monster. Step 2: Don't get hit. <cite>Nightmare_Luna posted [p:969715107] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>DKBananaSlamma posted... </cite><quote>wait, what the fuck. Why? So is Aurora Veil just completely boned then?</quote>hail has been replaced by snow</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MJOLNRVII 11/26/22 2:27:36 PM #35:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Lmao, I guess a robo-Delibird is about as close as you'd get to Cyber Sub-Zero in Pokemon. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/WBp3VHL.gif https://i.imgtc.ws/aGc8opg.gif https://i.imgtc.ws/tQBwJ35.gif <cite>MJOLNRVII posted [p:969715125] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Lmao, I guess a robo-Delibird is about as close as you'd get to Cyber Sub-Zero in Pokemon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DKBananaSlamma 11/26/22 2:29:35 PM #36:	PerseusRad posted... No, Aurora Veil just works with Snow. Snow doesnt do damage, but increases the defense of Ice types Nightmare_Luna posted... hail has been replaced by snow Oh, neat --- Neon >_> <cite>DKBananaSlamma posted [p:969715164] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>PerseusRad posted... </cite><quote>No, Aurora Veil just works with Snow. Snow doesnt do damage, but increases the defense of Ice types</quote>Nightmare_Luna posted... </cite><quote>hail has been replaced by snow</quote>Oh, neat</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Srk700 11/26/22 2:37:11 PM #37:	Doe posted... Those still aren't even pseudo legendary stats. Cinderace has worse stats yet it still was put into Gen 8 Ubers because of having one of the best fire moves (Pyro Ball), a unique move in Court Change (allowing it to flip stuff like Stealth Rock back on the opponent), and a broken ability in Libero with a good movepool to make use of it. Plus it had a pretty good stat spread for an offensive pokemon. You don't need a pseudo legendary stat total to make it into Ubers if the stat spreads are good and the rest of the Pokemon's kit is great. Granted IDK what Robo-Delibird has as far as moves and ability, but it has a great stat spread for an offensive Pokemon. <cite>Srk700 posted [p:969715333] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>Those still aren't even pseudo legendary stats.</quote>Cinderace has worse stats yet it still was put into Gen 8 Ubers because of having one of the best fire moves (Pyro Ball), a unique move in Court Change (allowing it to flip stuff like Stealth Rock back on the opponent), and a broken ability in Libero with a good movepool to make use of it. Plus it had a pretty good stat spread for an offensive pokemon.You don't need a pseudo legendary stat total to make it into Ubers if the stat spreads are good and the rest of the Pokemon's kit is great. Granted IDK what Robo-Delibird has as far as moves and ability, but it has a great stat spread for an offensive Pokemon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 11/26/22 2:40:01 PM #38:	All I know is that it has Hydro pump as its primary attack and freeze dry for anything that resists water. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:969715395] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>All I know is that it has Hydro pump as its primary attack and freeze dry for anything that resists water.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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discodancer77 11/26/22 3:06:56 PM #40:	DKBananaSlamma posted... Yet the cancer that is Landorus-T is still totally fine in OU smh Lando is not in the game even if it was, Lando is not a Pokmon that hinders team building. You never build a team and think oh god I need to make sure I have something that can handle a Lando Corvinight was pretty omnipresent but same deal there. Same with Zapdos or Clefable. For Dracovish, if you didnt have a bulky water absorber and a contingency plan, you get wrecked. So if Dracovish stays in the metagame, you basically have only 3 slots to build a team, cuz 2 go to something like Water Absorb Seismitoad and Vaporeon, and then a Dracovish of your own. Lando Corv or Clefable do not create that same kind of problem but with Iron Bundle you basically need a Blissey or you get wiped. So again, 2 slots get mandatorily taken up by your own Iron Bundle and Blissey, meaning more teams look the same and centralize the metagame. --- Patient Gamer <cite>discodancer77 posted [p:969715933] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>DKBananaSlamma posted... </cite><quote>Yet the cancer that is Landorus-T is still totally fine in OU smh</quote>Lando is not in the gameeven if it was, Lando is not a Pokmon that hinders team building. You never build a team and think oh god I need to make sure I have something that can handle a Lando Corvinight was pretty omnipresent but same deal there. Same with Zapdos or Clefable. For Dracovish, if you didnt have a bulky water absorber and a contingency plan, you get wrecked. So if Dracovish stays in the metagame, you basically have only 3 slots to build a team, cuz 2 go to something like Water Absorb Seismitoad and Vaporeon, and then a Dracovish of your own. Lando Corv or Clefable do not create that same kind of problembut with Iron Bundle you basically need a Blissey or you get wiped. So again, 2 slots get mandatorily taken up by your own Iron Bundle and Blissey, meaning more teams look the same and centralize the metagame. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 11/26/22 3:13:50 PM #41:	uwnim posted... All I know is that it has Hydro pump as its primary attack and freeze dry for anything that resists water. Yeah, between Hydro Pump and Freeze Dry, basically nothing resists it, which is problem given that it has STAB on both of those and pretty beefy special attack. Its item slot is flexible, its beefy defense makes it hard to snipe with priority moves, and it's so blindingly fast it can just pivot out of anything it can't immediately murder. --- I'm Queen of Tomorrow baby! Remember: heat from fire, fire from heat! She/her <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:969716071] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>uwnim posted... </cite><quote>All I know is that it has Hydro pump as its primary attack and freeze dry for anything that resists water.</quote>Yeah, between Hydro Pump and Freeze Dry, basically nothing resists it, which is problem given that it has STAB on both of those and pretty beefy special attack. Its item slot is flexible, its beefy defense makes it hard to snipe with priority moves, and it's so blindingly fast it can just pivot out of anything it can't immediately murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Choco 11/26/22 4:10:56 PM #42:	sevihaimerej posted... Oh, this is some kinda Pocket Monsters topic, was thinking Uber Eats was banning restaurants or something holy shit you're so cool --- https://i.imgur.com/286sD4e.png http://error1355.com/ce/Choco.html <cite>Choco posted [p:969717337] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>sevihaimerej posted... </cite><quote>Oh, this is some kinda Pocket Monsters topic, was thinking Uber Eats was banning restaurants or something</quote>holy shit you're so cool</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pojr 11/26/22 4:37:06 PM #43:	Yeah I thought this was about plain delibird. There's no way to make plain delibird good, unless you give it huge power or wonder guard or some shit lol. --- pojr I summon it. You spell it. <cite>pojr posted [p:969717843] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I thought this was about plain delibird. There's no way to make plain delibird good, unless you give it huge power or wonder guard or some shit lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeCh0nk 11/26/22 4:39:32 PM #44:	pojr posted... Yeah I thought this was about plain delibird. There's no way to make plain delibird good, unless you give it huge power or wonder guard or some shit lol. With an ice/flying type even wonder guard wouldn't really help it. --- @('_')@ <cite>LeCh0nk posted [p:969717881] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>pojr posted... </cite><quote>Yeah I thought this was about plain delibird. There's no way to make plain delibird good, unless you give it huge power or wonder guard or some shit lol.</quote>With an ice/flying type even wonder guard wouldn't really help it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
untrustful 11/26/22 4:43:43 PM #45:	i get electric shedinja with air balloon, but why sunny day? --- "There is little anyone can do with fanatics. Reasoning with them is a fool's errand. Avoiding them is mandatory." ~Former Conservative Talk Show Host <cite>untrustful posted [p:969717943] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>i get electric shedinja with air balloon, but why sunny day?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 11/26/22 4:45:51 PM #46:	untrustful posted... i get electric shedinja with air balloon, but why sunny day? You use it when TTar switches in to prevent just dying to sand. Sandstorm is one of the main ways to deal with Shedinja and Sunny Day cuts it out completely if you predict right. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:969717987] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>untrustful posted... </cite><quote>i get electric shedinja with air balloon, but why sunny day?</quote>You use it when TTar switches in to prevent just dying to sand. Sandstorm is one of the main ways to deal with Shedinja and Sunny Day cuts it out completely if you predict right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 11/26/22 4:48:52 PM #47:	fire_bolt posted... AG is currently dominated by Tera Electric Shedinja with Air Balloon and Sunny Day. It's dumb but literally unkillable except to surprise Sand Does confuse not work on it? What about Mold Breaker? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:969718039] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>fire_bolt posted... </cite><quote>AG is currently dominated by Tera Electric Shedinja with Air Balloon and Sunny Day. It's dumb but literally unkillable except to surprise Sand</quote>Does confuse not work on it? What about Mold Breaker?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flintlock_Staff 11/26/22 4:49:52 PM #48:	untrustful posted... i get electric shedinja with air balloon, but why sunny day? It's shedinja banned and the set uses sunny day not sunny day itself being banned. Smogon people like to sniff their own farts and not do "complex bans" 99% of the time. So for example in shedinja's case it's only really tera electric that's the issue as it changes its type to electric which has 1 weakness. Give it air balloon and that weakness is gone, and if you suspect a ttar or hippowdon switch in you use Sunny day to save yourself from the sand. When a mon switches in their weather ability goes before any other move so sunny day will go 2nd and override it. Now smogon could've just banned Electric Shedinja on their battle sim (they have the ability to do that) but they'd rather just ban a whole mon entirely. Very similar case for houndstone getting banned. The issue with houndstone is the move Last Respects which is a stupid strong move but without it houndstone would be pretty lackluster and not see play for the most part. Well instead of banning the move they banned the whole mon. They may reverse this decision when Basculegion is introduced with transfer support as of now in the data it'll get that move too. <cite>Flintlock_Staff posted [p:969718067] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>untrustful posted... </cite><quote>i get electric shedinja with air balloon, but why sunny day?</quote>It's shedinja banned and the set uses sunny day not sunny day itself being banned. Smogon people like to sniff their own farts and not do "complex bans" 99% of the time. So for example in shedinja's case it's only really tera electric that's the issue as it changes its type to electric which has 1 weakness. Give it air balloon and that weakness is gone, and if you suspect a ttar or hippowdon switch in you use Sunny day to save yourself from the sand. When a mon switches in their weather ability goes before any other move so sunny day will go 2nd and override it. Now smogon could've just banned Electric Shedinja on their battle sim (they have the ability to do that) but they'd rather just ban a whole mon entirely. Very similar case for houndstone getting banned. The issue with houndstone is the move Last Respects which is a stupid strong move but without it houndstone would be pretty lackluster and not see play for the most part. Well instead of banning the move they banned the whole mon. They may reverse this decision when Basculegion is introduced with transfer support as of now in the data it'll get that move too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 11/26/22 4:53:09 PM #49:	Tyranthraxus posted... Does confuse not work on it? What about Mold Breaker? Status and Mold Breaker both work just fine. Kyurem Black is a popular way to deal with Shedinja as well. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:969718134] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>Does confuse not work on it? What about Mold Breaker?</quote>Status and Mold Breaker both work just fine. Kyurem Black is a popular way to deal with Shedinja as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 11/26/22 4:53:31 PM #50:	Oh what about a really slow pokemon with baton pass? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:969718143] in Smogon ban... [t:80250179]...</cite> <quote>Oh what about a really slow pokemon with baton pass?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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