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most of my family are democrats and they all support the 2nd.
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Link43130 posted...

Fallout 4 is the real rpg, or wasteland is?

wasteland is. turn based, number crunching, stats, skills and party upgrading, actual good writing and dialog options. the whole deal.
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yeah, it aint that great. probably my least favorite mainline RE.
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pretty much everything in it is worth playing. damn.

wasteland is a really good game although a little buggy. very different from fallout 4. its a real rpg.
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lots of out doorsy shit. good cheap housing and land and in general if you make decent money it can go pretty far. the UP is beautiful. good beer. pretty middle ground-ish in most other ways. good people, but very hard.

car insurance is fucking terrible. the south east sections tend to be real hit and miss (and occasionally dangerous). some of the most inconsistent weather you will ever see on the planet.

the weather is what tends to break people. for instance last week we got about 2 feet of snow. this week it rained for 2 days straight, is 60 outside and now all of the snow is now gone. next week itll probably be below 20 and snow again.
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standard operating procedure.
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eh, it was alright. jills ass was nice and i liked raid.
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id put 3 close to 4, but yeah.
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hunting, pest control, defense, fun.

if you want a bigger answer then you can say guns are symbols. they represent individual freedom and reliance and an answer to oppression and a deterrent from tyranny. will this ever happen to the point that its time to break them out? probably not, but its just the fact they are here and can be in any ones hands that keeps it from getting to that point to begin with. in general better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

i also find it to be quite something where people are trying to get them out of more peoples hands and then complain about police brutality and the current administration. trump is literally hitler...but we dont need these things that could actually help fight him if he starts giving orders to execute people in the streets. minorities are getting killed by the alt-right and nazis so we better not give them a means to defend them selves. or how about we expect women and the elderly to play patty cake with the 2 large masked men kicking their door down. its insane to me.
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equality i guess.
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the gun community fears any law which might lead to more restrictions.
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most of my family are liberal and almost all of them own a gun.
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guns have always been here. we've always had our mass and school shootings, but theyve been exceptionally rarer compared to now. statistically overall gun deaths have been declining (a large chunk of that was cleaning up NYC) since the 90's and yet mass and school shootings have gone up. the guns are largely the same as are the methods of getting them.

this trend is showing that people are changing. and you can give a whole host of reasons why that might be. internet, news, video games, over abundance of prescription drugs, lack of proper parenting, lack of social care, the violent political divide. its producing numb kids that are becoming desensitized to too much and raised on a system where they have everything at their finger tips and people who are becoming increasingly irrational to the political climate. Make no mistake guns are a part of it, but theyre just the crust on a rotten pie.

getting rid of guns or severely limiting them isnt going to fix the problem and can potentially open a whole new world of issues once you go down that road. .
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i bet it did.
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Butterfiles posted...

It's a good thing the right is so accepting of these social programs!

indeed, but even with dems in full control they couldnt really do anything on gun control either. they might when it comes to healthcare and other programs.
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Antifar posted...

I'm not convinced that this status quo is the best of all possible worlds, or that our only alternatives to regular mass shootings is police state authoritarianism.

its not. for one thing more social programs would most likely go a long way in helping. get kids some more help by actually giving a shit about them.
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i live in michigan which has some of the most inconstant weather in the world so its hard to know whats attributed to global warming an what isnt.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Ahh yes as we know much of Europe is just authoritarian dictatorships

in this day and age much of it isnt like you might think. theres no tanks rolling down the streets or armed guards on street corners (well for the most part). instead you start to see mundane laws being heavily in-forced with politeness and smiles. telling people what they can or cant say. how they can stand up for them selves and how they cant. what they can own and what they shouldnt (and i dont mean extreme examples either). it always starts small to the point that most may not realize it until they run into it and are heavily punished for it. the UK is a great example of this. saying racist things or even just heavily disagreeing with a certain religion can potentially put you in jail longer than a pedophile would be. having normal items needing to have ID's for. defending your self with a firearm in most cases is a punishable offense or even with other types of weapons outside of your bare hands since those items are used for specific purposes only.

it always starts small and less bombastic and it usually always starts with disarming the populous at the first stage to where the govt. can start seeing what they can enforce. and extremely slowly your rights start to get stripped away.
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and like always this is why nothing will ever change. one side believes what they want and fuck you to the other side for believing something else.

wanting to save lives is commendable, but to achieve that most proposals means stripping away rights to make people more "safer" which is the starting bases of many dictatorships and authoritarian govts through-out history. and once you go down this path its hard to come back from it. and this goes for the right as well with trying to place armed guards in schools and snatching up individuals who have no prior issues on their record who may or may not do something based on some tweets. both of these are dangerous starting points for something much worse.
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no.
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i really liked it, but then i didnt care too much for the first two thor movies.
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so basically its another day of the week.
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Blbmbr666 posted...

but it's much easier to start with a very simple licensing test for rifles than to overhaul mental health industries.

you say that, but here we are 24 years after the AWB and pretty much nothing else has been accomplished. the gun community has triple downed on everything after that no matter how small. mental health might be a far easier thing to go for that people of both sides can agree on.
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Blbmbr666 posted...

That said, people need to fucking learn that assault rifle and 'assault weapon' are two different things. 'Assault weapon' is a stupid term that needs to be dropped.

thats another problem. you have people trying to make these laws on things they know nothing about which only pushes the other side further away from you.
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Rika_Furude posted...

its not merely a bandaid. it does actually work. look at australia for example.

the AU had 175x less guns before the buy back. their population is easily enforced with 85% of them being on the coast. they have a population 15x less than the US. they are far more homogenized (tho thats changing), they are a island nation to help monitor imports, they have better health care and social services (which help factor into crimes), they do not have a gang and drug problem to the level we do. they are 4x LESS violent NOT including firearms.

its insane to compare them.
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nah, the left is pretty fucking crazy in their own ways as well. theres a lot of places on the left to the point that you cant even have a discussion with either once they know your pro-guns. you will be labeled a sociopath and any ideas you come up with that doesnt include banning all guns or leaving you with a flint lock will be shut down. its because of these people that in turn makes the right stand firm against any notion because its clear what direction many want the whole thing to eventually go.
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a lot of democrats dont or atleast not to the hive minds satisfaction. this creates in-fighting to where nothing substantial gets done even with dems in full control.
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1. the military isnt going to do shit. the civilian population IS the military. you will see a coup before you see drone strikes on american soil on the military's own family's.
2. theres a lot of ways to fight a war against a superior force and especially when that superior force doesnt take a scorched earth approach.
3. firearms are not here to just protect you from a tyrannical govt, but from any threat be it foreign or domestic. our military, our government, a foreign army or crazy bob down the street.
4. firearms act as a deterrent to what the govt. can actually get away with. once guns are severely limited or gone you WILL start to see more police state and authoritarian laws start to pop up. and it wont come like youd expect. your jailers will have smiles and plain cloths telling you its for the greater good.
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Rika_Furude posted...

you will start seeing benefits after a few decades

that would come down to what other changes the country does in dealing with its other problems. if those largely stay the same gun deaths could go down (after a few decades) while other issues go up since you arnt fixing the problem, but putting a band aid over it. statistically this is what happens. without the means for others to stand up for themselves also gives the government more free reign to peck away at your rights.
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Tmaster148 posted...

I think the USA would be far better off updating the 2nd amendment to meet standards of a modern society. Right now the 2nd amendment is just rather vague and was written at a time when guns were single shot and took time to reload while also being pretty inaccurate.

multishot weapons already existed before and around when the constitution was made along with a lot of conceptions and blueprints for specific arms (belton flint lock, volley guns, nock guns, puckle guns, girandoni rifle, pepper box pistols, multibarrel muskets). muskets just happen to be the easiest, cheapest and most common for everyone to get. its hard to think that the founding fathers didnt pay attention with their own eyes to the technologically evolving world around them when they wrote the constitution. the words "bear Arms" is a big tip off.

sobergermanguy posted...

All the countries with no law similar to the second amendment seem to be doing just fine in that department

uh, huh
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the second amendment is why we still have the freedom of speech. without it we wouldn't be where we are in the world now.

and you dont need a piece of paper to tell you your given rights as a human being with free will.
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assuming they have no serious criminal history they are more than welcome to do so. i personally know a few who own AR's.
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Kombucha posted...

if there were an attempt at a civil war wouldn't it be pretty short lived? it's not like back in the day when the populace owned the same kind of technology as the military (muskets, etc). i don't think some average joes with guns would stand much of a chance against the largest/most advanced military force in the world.

the military ARE the citizens. the amount of in fighting with in the system would collapse on its self and youd most likely have a coup backed up by a hell of a lot of private gun owners.

the government knows what a second civil war would mean for this country and they will do everything in their power to make sure it doesnt get that far.
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most likely civil war.

i recall a study decades old where the government planned out a realistic scenario where a second civil would happen based on hundreds of factors. that ended up with something around 30% of the gun population using them which is a massive number.
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been around guns since i was 6 and are around me every day. they have yet to go off and start killing people. atleast not while i was paying attention.

ClunkerSlim posted...

Imagine believing that an AR-15 is good for home defense. Troll or gun noob confirmed.

why wouldnt it be? its relatively small, light, comes in lots of configurations, lots of attachment options, lots of rounds if you need it. theres frangible ammo so you dont have to worry about too much penetration. thats exactly why the AR is so popular, its versatile.
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there was a few before, but it was exceptionally rare.
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pence was trumps insurance.
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its part of it.
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directly? no.
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we were never that great in the winter olympics
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Damn, thats interesting. Got a link or more details? I gotta read that.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article198292994.html
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what? no. thats crazy. your a crazy person. hey, everyone! look at the crazy person!
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there was also a story recently about about a ccw holder who stopped a robbery. cops got there and thought he was the robber and shot him...after he complied and put his gun down. everyone in the store were yelling at the police to stop shooting him.
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MuayThai85 posted...

Also, adding in laws that require your firearms to be unloaded and locked up in a gun sage will also help tremendously.

keeping it locked up is one thing. there are biometric safes now, but keeping the ammo separate and adding a few extra steps when seconds matter isnt smart in a home defense situation. keep your gun loaded and locked in a biosafe which takes 1second to open. every firearm should be handled as if they were loaded anyway.
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EverDownward posted...

Vanilla

sick bastard.
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no, A gun isnt. but 30million guns might. guns are a deterrent from what the government can get away with. realistically the US govt. isnt going to open fire on its citizens especially when its citizens ARE the military. its that uncertainty aided by a massive armed populous with no actual knowing who has what thanks to limited registration that keeps people in check.

the 2nd amendment as dictated by the courts also gives every citizen the right to arms to defend themselves not just from a tyrannical govt., but also anyone who seeks to do them harm be it domestic or foreign.

and even if it didnt its every free thinking human beings right to defend themselves and family with what ever means deem necessary. a piece of paper doesnt dictate that.
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the courts already decided that guns are for much more than that.

as far as a militia vs the government there are a LOT of ways to fight a superior force. history has shown us this frequently. the notion that the US military would open fire on its own citizens is highly unlikely. at this point guns are basically used as a deterrent from what the government can get away with.
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how about the schools actually giving a shit about their students and not blowing them off for being disruptive?

the entire system is toxic and its what helps breed situations like this.
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