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gbpxl
02/18/18 4:14:41 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxD3o-9H1lY


I hope that this gives more people the courage to speak out against guns, or at least what kind of effect they have on society.
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Pepys Monster
02/18/18 4:16:10 PM
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EKIZXsP
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gbpxl
02/18/18 4:17:21 PM
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tell that to Philando Castiel...
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Dark_Spiret
02/18/18 4:17:43 PM
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i bet it did.
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DesuDeku
02/18/18 4:18:35 PM
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Wait, there are places where you can buy guns without a permit? Why!?
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gbpxl
02/18/18 4:23:11 PM
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DesuDeku posted...
Wait, there are places where you can buy guns without a permit? Why!?

It's Florida. same place where George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin. Republican state, go figure.
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CharlesBronson
02/18/18 4:24:09 PM
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where's her hair?
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Patchwork
02/18/18 4:27:15 PM
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gbpxl posted...
DesuDeku posted...
Wait, there are places where you can buy guns without a permit? Why!?

It's Florida. same place where George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin. Republican state, go figure.


You don't need a permit to buy a gun in most states. You need one to carry concealed.
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ASithLord7
02/18/18 4:28:24 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
EKIZXsP

Ah yes noted intellectual Ice T
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scorpion41
02/18/18 4:30:09 PM
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Guns have existed since before the nation was founded. These shootings have only become an issue in the past 20 years. If you think this is a gun issue then I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you...
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ASithLord7
02/18/18 4:30:40 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
Guns have existed since before the nation was founded. These shootings have only become an issue in the past 20 years. If you think this is a gun issue then I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you...

Yes because modern guns are exactly the same as the guns that predate the US
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scorpion41
02/18/18 4:32:07 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Guns have existed since before the nation was founded. These shootings have only become an issue in the past 20 years. If you think this is a gun issue then I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you...

Yes because modern guns are exactly the same as the guns that predate the US


The semi-auto has been around longer than 20 years so...
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Pepys Monster
02/18/18 4:34:44 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...
Ah yes noted intellectual Ice T

He's more intellectual than an angry female high school student with a buzzcut.
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ASithLord7
02/18/18 4:35:20 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
ASithLord7 posted...
Ah yes noted intellectual Ice T

He's more intellectual than an angry female high school student with a buzzcut.

You wonder why no woman wants to fuck you, yet you feel this person's gender and hair is somehow relevant to her intelligence

Figures
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Funbazooka
02/18/18 4:35:55 PM
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Ok I forced myself to watch it. As expected (I guessed it as soon as I saw her shaven head), it's a far-left political activist rant almost entirely composed of emotional appeals expressing a general desire to ban guns and some prerequisite Trump bashing.
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ThePrinceFish
02/18/18 4:36:44 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
Ok I forced myself to watch it. As expected (I guessed it as soon as I saw her shaven head), it's a far-left political activist rant almost entirely composed of emotional appeals expressing a general desire to ban guns and some prerequisite Trump bashing.

Why do you think it made TC cry?
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Offworlder1
02/18/18 4:36:46 PM
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FL needs to have background checks as it sounds like they do NOT have them, andcthe person who bought the gun sounds like an under age minor. They should not have been legally allowed to sell or even willing to sell a rifle or gun of any sort to a high schooler.

FL needs some serious changes for gun buying, there is a reason they have you fill out forms and get checked before they will sell you anything in many states for a good reason.

I love guns but background checks, and paper work are something I agree with as no one with mental issues, a criminal background, or a juvie record of violence should ever have a gun.
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gbpxl
02/18/18 4:45:02 PM
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Offworlder1 posted...
no one with mental issues, a criminal background, or a juvie record of violence should ever have a gun.

Stephen Paddock had none of those.

I don't think Andres Brevik did either.
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ChainedRedone
02/18/18 4:46:11 PM
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She looks more like a cancer survivor than a shooting survivor.
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ChainedRedone
02/18/18 4:47:33 PM
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Offworlder1 posted...
FL needs to have background checks as it sounds like they do NOT have them, andcthe person who bought the gun sounds like an under age minor. They should not have been legally allowed to sell or even willing to sell a rifle or gun of any sort to a high schooler.

FL needs some serious changes for gun buying, there is a reason they have you fill out forms and get checked before they will sell you anything in many states for a good reason.

I love guns but background checks, and paper work are something I agree with as no one with mental issues, a criminal background, or a juvie record of violence should ever have a gun.


We do have background checks. No state in the country forgoes background checks.
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Funbazooka
02/18/18 4:47:37 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Florida
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scorpion41
02/18/18 4:48:51 PM
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Offworlder1 posted...
FL needs to have background checks as it sounds like they do NOT have them, andcthe person who bought the gun sounds like an under age minor. They should not have been legally allowed to sell or even willing to sell a rifle or gun of any sort to a high schooler.

FL needs some serious changes for gun buying, there is a reason they have you fill out forms and get checked before they will sell you anything in many states for a good reason.

I love guns but background checks, and paper work are something I agree with as no one with mental issues, a criminal background, or a juvie record of violence should ever have a gun.


You are required to undergo a background check buying through ANY licensed dealer. Its a federal law. Cruz bought it at 19, which is above the legal age to purchase long guns. The fact that he was still in school was irrelevant.

Health records are sealed by HIPAA and flagging mental health issues is actually a violation of that law, unless the buyer consents to releasing that information.
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gbpxl
02/18/18 4:51:19 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
FL needs to have background checks as it sounds like they do NOT have them, andcthe person who bought the gun sounds like an under age minor. They should not have been legally allowed to sell or even willing to sell a rifle or gun of any sort to a high schooler.

FL needs some serious changes for gun buying, there is a reason they have you fill out forms and get checked before they will sell you anything in many states for a good reason.

I love guns but background checks, and paper work are something I agree with as no one with mental issues, a criminal background, or a juvie record of violence should ever have a gun.


You are required to undergo a background check buying through ANY licensed dealer. Its a federal law. Cruz bought it at 19, which is above the legal age to purchase long guns. The fact that he was still in school was irrelevant.

Health records are sealed by HIPAA and flagging mental health issues is actually a violation of that law, unless the buyer consents to releasing that information.

mental health isn't a good qualifier anyways. look at all the gangbangers and terrorists shooting each other. do they all have mental illnesses?
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hockeybub89
02/18/18 4:52:57 PM
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gbpxl posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
FL needs to have background checks as it sounds like they do NOT have them, andcthe person who bought the gun sounds like an under age minor. They should not have been legally allowed to sell or even willing to sell a rifle or gun of any sort to a high schooler.

FL needs some serious changes for gun buying, there is a reason they have you fill out forms and get checked before they will sell you anything in many states for a good reason.

I love guns but background checks, and paper work are something I agree with as no one with mental issues, a criminal background, or a juvie record of violence should ever have a gun.


You are required to undergo a background check buying through ANY licensed dealer. Its a federal law. Cruz bought it at 19, which is above the legal age to purchase long guns. The fact that he was still in school was irrelevant.

Health records are sealed by HIPAA and flagging mental health issues is actually a violation of that law, unless the buyer consents to releasing that information.

mental health isn't a good qualifier anyways. look at all the gangbangers and terrorists shooting each other. do they all have mental illnesses?

Maybe.
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Link HT
02/18/18 4:53:32 PM
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I kinda like blaming mental health as the cause for shootings because anyone who says that's the real cause is basically saying america is severely more mentally damaged than the rest of the first world.
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ASithLord7
02/18/18 4:55:00 PM
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Link HT posted...
I kinda like blaming mental health as the cause for shootings because anyone who says that's the real cause is basically saying america is severely more mentally damaged than the rest of the first world.

I mean...that might not be entirely wrong, and I don't mean that in an offensive way.
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gbpxl
02/18/18 4:55:06 PM
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Link HT posted...
I kinda like blaming mental health as the cause for shootings because anyone who says that's the real cause is basically saying america is severely more mentally damaged than the rest of the first world.

anyone whose first reaction to a mass shooting is "I need to buy more guns before the liberals outlaw them" has a mental illness
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Darmik
02/18/18 4:55:24 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
Guns have existed since before the nation was founded. These shootings have only become an issue in the past 20 years. If you think this is a gun issue then I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you...


Err they were a pretty big issue in the 60's...
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scorpion41
02/18/18 4:56:19 PM
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Link HT posted...
I kinda like blaming mental health as the cause for shootings because anyone who says that's the real cause is basically saying america is severely more mentally damaged than the rest of the first world.


Weve resorted to treating every issue with psychotropic drugs, which may successfully control the primary issue, but creates new ones.
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hockeybub89
02/18/18 4:57:01 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
Link HT posted...
I kinda like blaming mental health as the cause for shootings because anyone who says that's the real cause is basically saying america is severely more mentally damaged than the rest of the first world.


Weve resorted to treating every issue with psychotropic drugs, which may successfully control the primary issue, but creates new ones.

99.9% of people on medication never shoot up a place.
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gbpxl
02/18/18 4:57:08 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
Link HT posted...
I kinda like blaming mental health as the cause for shootings because anyone who says that's the real cause is basically saying america is severely more mentally damaged than the rest of the first world.


Weve resorted to treating every issue with psychotropic drugs, which may successfully control the primary issue, but creates new ones.

Paddock wasn't on drugs, neither was Omar Mateen
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Darmik
02/18/18 4:58:04 PM
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So how do republican policies handle mental health care anyway
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scorpion41
02/18/18 4:58:18 PM
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Darmik posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Guns have existed since before the nation was founded. These shootings have only become an issue in the past 20 years. If you think this is a gun issue then I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you...


Err they were a pretty big issue in the 60's...


Nope, but nice try...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year
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Darmik
02/18/18 5:00:32 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
Darmik posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Guns have existed since before the nation was founded. These shootings have only become an issue in the past 20 years. If you think this is a gun issue then I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you...


Err they were a pretty big issue in the 60's...


Nope, but nice try...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year


1965 Highway 101 sniper attack
University of Texas massacre
University of Texas tower shooting
Orangeburg massacre
and of course;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy
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gbpxl
02/18/18 5:01:33 PM
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Sparksfanboy posted...
This girl has more courage in her pinkie finger than all the people who voted for Trump combined.

yeah definately. it sure seems that the older generation has taken a "well theres nothing we can do" approach but for people who have lived with mass shootings their entire life, it's a fight they're willing to take up
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gbpxl
02/18/18 5:02:09 PM
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Darmik posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Darmik posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Guns have existed since before the nation was founded. These shootings have only become an issue in the past 20 years. If you think this is a gun issue then I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you...


Err they were a pretty big issue in the 60's...


Nope, but nice try...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year


1965 Highway 101 sniper attack
University of Texas massacre
University of Texas tower shooting
Orangeburg massacre
and of course;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy

and none of those could have happened with a knife.
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gbpxl
02/18/18 5:05:35 PM
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Spooking posted...
We can't have knee-jerk reaction laws get pass. Thankfully, congress doesn't act on knee-jerk reactions.

bull fucking shit! after 9/11 happened, they decided unanimously to bomb the fucking shit out of Afghanistan (and later Iraq), without even discussing it with other countries and ultimately leaving a million+ dead, when none of the hijackers were even from Iraq to begin with, so don't start with me on the knee-jerk crap
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Funbazooka
02/18/18 5:05:47 PM
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gbpxl posted...
Sparksfanboy posted...
This girl has more courage in her pinkie finger than all the people who voted for Trump combined.

yeah definately. it sure seems that the older generation has taken a "well theres nothing we can do" approach but for people who have lived with mass shootings their entire life, it's a fight they're willing to take up

She doesn't speak for the younger generation. There's a new wave/movement of young conservatives.
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ninjarobot_22
02/18/18 5:07:25 PM
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gbpxl
02/18/18 5:08:36 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
gbpxl posted...
Sparksfanboy posted...
This girl has more courage in her pinkie finger than all the people who voted for Trump combined.

yeah definately. it sure seems that the older generation has taken a "well theres nothing we can do" approach but for people who have lived with mass shootings their entire life, it's a fight they're willing to take up

She doesn't speak for the younger generation. There's a new wave/movement of young conservatives.

yup, ignorance, self-centeredness and stupidity has found its way to the youth of America but by and large most young people identify as Dem or independent. hell even libertarians have a bigger following than the Republicans (albeit the latter 2 arent a great deal different) but the Republican party is dead/dying
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gbpxl
02/18/18 5:11:01 PM
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ninjarobot_22 posted...
https://youtu.be/m_SQJDl67QQ?t=3m24s

great message
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scorpion41
02/18/18 5:11:15 PM
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gbpxl posted...
Darmik posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Darmik posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Guns have existed since before the nation was founded. These shootings have only become an issue in the past 20 years. If you think this is a gun issue then I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you...


Err they were a pretty big issue in the 60's...


Nope, but nice try...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year


1965 Highway 101 sniper attack
University of Texas massacre
University of Texas tower shooting
Orangeburg massacre
and of course;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy

and none of those could have happened with a knife.


So unresolved mental issues were the cause then, like they are now? Not guns everyone like TC is trying to make people believe?
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Link HT
02/18/18 5:13:48 PM
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gbpxl posted...
Spooking posted...
We can't have knee-jerk reaction laws get pass. Thankfully, congress doesn't act on knee-jerk reactions.

bull fucking shit! after 9/11 happened, they decided unanimously to bomb the fucking shit out of Afghanistan (and later Iraq), without even discussing it with other countries and ultimately leaving a million+ dead, when none of the hijackers were even from Iraq to begin with, so don't start with me on the knee-jerk crap

I mean, that's true and all, but US intelligence knew even back then they had nothing to do with 9/11, it was literally just an excuse to invade.
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gbpxl
02/18/18 5:14:45 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
gbpxl posted...
Darmik posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Darmik posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Guns have existed since before the nation was founded. These shootings have only become an issue in the past 20 years. If you think this is a gun issue then I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you...


Err they were a pretty big issue in the 60's...


Nope, but nice try...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year


1965 Highway 101 sniper attack
University of Texas massacre
University of Texas tower shooting
Orangeburg massacre
and of course;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy

and none of those could have happened with a knife.


So unresolved mental issues were the cause then, like they are now? Not guns everyone like TC is trying to make people believe?

there's always going to be crazy people out there. you can't simply ask everyone who seems whacko to put on a straitjacket and walk to the nearest looney bin. these people will always exist and are going to commit acts of violence. the thing we can control is what kind of weapons they have at their disposal
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scorpion41
02/18/18 5:16:25 PM
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gbpxl posted...
scorpion41 posted...
gbpxl posted...
Darmik posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Darmik posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Guns have existed since before the nation was founded. These shootings have only become an issue in the past 20 years. If you think this is a gun issue then I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you...


Err they were a pretty big issue in the 60's...


Nope, but nice try...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year


1965 Highway 101 sniper attack
University of Texas massacre
University of Texas tower shooting
Orangeburg massacre
and of course;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy

and none of those could have happened with a knife.


So unresolved mental issues were the cause then, like they are now? Not guns everyone like TC is trying to make people believe?

there's always going to be crazy people out there. you can't simply ask everyone who seems whacko to put on a straitjacket and walk to the nearest looney bin. these people will always exist and are going to commit acts of violence. the thing we can control is what kind of weapons they have at their disposal


You cant unless you restrict the 2A, unconstitutional, or have them consent to a medical background check.
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gbpxl
02/18/18 5:16:44 PM
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Link HT posted...
gbpxl posted...
Spooking posted...
We can't have knee-jerk reaction laws get pass. Thankfully, congress doesn't act on knee-jerk reactions.

bull fucking shit! after 9/11 happened, they decided unanimously to bomb the fucking shit out of Afghanistan (and later Iraq), without even discussing it with other countries and ultimately leaving a million+ dead, when none of the hijackers were even from Iraq to begin with, so don't start with me on the knee-jerk crap

I mean, that's true and all, but US intelligence knew even back then they had nothing to do with 9/11, it was literally just an excuse to invade.
glad we're out of that f'n hell hole. it's going to be a broken country until everyone there stops worshiping the God of their choice and instead worships the planet they live on together.
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gbpxl
02/18/18 5:17:57 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
You cant unless you restrict the 2A, unconstitutional, or have them consent to a medical background check.
Why do you act as if the Constitution is sacrosanct?
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Funbazooka
02/18/18 5:21:43 PM
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gbpxl posted...
Funbazooka posted...
gbpxl posted...
Sparksfanboy posted...
This girl has more courage in her pinkie finger than all the people who voted for Trump combined.

yeah definately. it sure seems that the older generation has taken a "well theres nothing we can do" approach but for people who have lived with mass shootings their entire life, it's a fight they're willing to take up

She doesn't speak for the younger generation. There's a new wave/movement of young conservatives.

yup, ignorance, self-centeredness and stupidity has found its way to the youth of America but by and large most young people identify as Dem or independent. hell even libertarians have a bigger following than the Republicans (albeit the latter 2 arent a great deal different) but the Republican party is dead/dying

You may likely be right that more of the youth identify as Dem instead of Republican. I think there's truth in the cliche about people turning more conservative with age and wisdom. As far as Independents go, I'm independent and plan on staying that way and I voted Trump.

Anyway, the alt-right is ill-defined but it's largely a youth movement and the left-wing is plenty threatened by that youthful surge. It's bit of a change-up in the political landscape. The point is that, your personal opinions aside, this isn't an older generation vs younger generation struggle.
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