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Sonic Cannon 02/17/18 7:32:02 PM #1:	Would the USA be better off if the second amendment didn't exist? Yes, things would be better overall without it No, it's better that it exists View Results Discuss --- Keep it green. <cite>Sonic Cannon posted [p:896277314] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote> Would the USA be better off if the second amendment didn't exist? Yes, things would be better overall without it No, it's better that it exists View Results Discuss</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 02/17/18 7:33:53 PM #2:	If we did not have the 2nd amendment things would be far worse for the USA. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" 3DS FC: 1564 - 7512 - 1815 <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:896277408] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote>If we did not have the 2nd amendment things would be far worse for the USA.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SomeonesAlt 02/17/18 7:35:48 PM #4:	I don't advocate getting rid of it, but I really don't think things would have been much worse had it not been established in the first place --- But Whose? <cite>SomeonesAlt posted [p:896277497] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote>I don't advocate getting rid of it, but I really don't think things would have been much worse had it not been established in the first place</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 02/17/18 7:36:42 PM #5:	Offworlder1 posted... If we did not have the 2nd amendment things would be far worse for the USA. How so? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:896277535] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>If we did not have the 2nd amendment things would be far worse for the USA.</quote> How so?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spincr 02/17/18 7:36:43 PM #6:	For the non americans, 2nd amendment is like free speech right? --- In 2000, Norad had 67 Intercepts, 100% accuracy. On 9/11 they failed 4 times in 1 day. In 2015 over 162 000 refugee's entered Sweden, 494 of them got a job. <cite>spincr posted [p:896277537] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote>For the non americans, 2nd amendment is like free speech right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrenchCrunch 02/17/18 7:37:21 PM #8:	i think so yes spincr posted... For the non americans, 2nd amendment is like free speech right? A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:896277567] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote>i think so yes <cite>spincr posted...</cite> <quote>For the non americans, 2nd amendment is like free speech right?</quote> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spincr 02/17/18 7:37:36 PM #9:	Oh my bad. Well the reason for it seems obvious, when you can't trust your government to do their job its up to you. --- In 2000, Norad had 67 Intercepts, 100% accuracy. On 9/11 they failed 4 times in 1 day. In 2015 over 162 000 refugee's entered Sweden, 494 of them got a job. <cite>spincr posted [p:896277586] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote>Oh my bad. Well the reason for it seems obvious, when you can't trust your government to do their job its up to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 02/17/18 7:38:10 PM #10:	Some people think it's good to be able to defend themselves in the most efficient manner from violent, armed criminals. --- I faced it all and I stood tall- And did it my way. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:896277615] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote>Some people think it's good to be able to defend themselves in the most efficient manner from violent, armed criminals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivynn 02/17/18 7:38:14 PM #11:	AssultTank posted... spincr posted... For the non americans, 2nd amendment is like free speech right? Right to keep and bear arms. https://images.halloweencostumes.com/products/29661/1-1/right-to-bear-arms.jpg --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif <cite>Ivynn posted [p:896277621] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>AssultTank posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spincr posted...</cite> <quote>For the non americans, 2nd amendment is like free speech right?</quote> Right to keep and bear arms. </quote> https://images.halloweencostumes.com/products/29661/1-1/right-to-bear-arms.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 02/17/18 7:43:07 PM #12:	spincr posted... Oh my bad. Well the reason for it seems obvious, when you can't trust your government to do their job its up to you. To do what job? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:896277874] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>spincr posted...</cite> <quote>Oh my bad. Well the reason for it seems obvious, when you can't trust your government to do their job its up to you.</quote> To do what job?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 02/17/18 7:45:03 PM #13:	r4X0r posted... Some people think it's good to be able to defend themselves in the most efficient manner from violent, armed criminals. It also helps prevent women being raped, a woman who has a gun, and knows how to use it is less likely to be a victim. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" 3DS FC: 1564 - 7512 - 1815 <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:896277992] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Some people think it's good to be able to defend themselves in the most efficient manner from violent, armed criminals.</quote> It also helps prevent women being raped, a woman who has a gun, and knows how to use it is less likely to be a victim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 02/17/18 7:47:18 PM #14:	The instant the 2nd Amendment is no more the government will kick our doors in and leave upper deckers in our bathrooms, just because THEY CAN --- "Jesus that's huge" - Leananfurled <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:896278100] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote>The instant the 2nd Amendment is no more the government will kick our doors in and leave upper deckers in our bathrooms, just because THEY CAN</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vita_Aeterna 02/17/18 7:48:14 PM #15:	Lol @ civilians owning guns. --- "Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is STARK." <cite>Vita_Aeterna posted [p:896278140] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote>Lol @ civilians owning guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spincr 02/17/18 7:48:17 PM #16:	A_Good_Boy posted... spincr posted... Oh my bad. Well the reason for it seems obvious, when you can't trust your government to do their job its up to you. To do what job? Keep the people safe is the number 1 job. If you can't rely on police etc. Then i too would want something to defend me and my family with. --- In 2000, Norad had 67 Intercepts, 100% accuracy. On 9/11 they failed 4 times in 1 day. In 2015 over 162 000 refugee's entered Sweden, 494 of them got a job. <cite>spincr posted [p:896278142] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spincr posted...</cite> <quote>Oh my bad. Well the reason for it seems obvious, when you can't trust your government to do their job its up to you.</quote> To do what job?</quote> Keep the people safe is the number 1 job. If you can't rely on police etc. Then i too would want something to defend me and my family with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sobergermanguy 02/17/18 7:51:35 PM #17:	r4X0r posted... Some people think it's good to be able to defend themselves in the most efficient manner from violent, armed criminals. The 2nd amendment is the reason the criminals are armed --- You choc-blocked me, bro <cite>sobergermanguy posted [p:896278294] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Some people think it's good to be able to defend themselves in the most efficient manner from violent, armed criminals.</quote> The 2nd amendment is the reason the criminals are armed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sonic Cannon 02/17/18 7:51:39 PM #18:	FrenchCrunch posted... i think so yes spincr posted... For the non americans, 2nd amendment is like free speech right? A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. The "shall not be infringed" is more where the second amendment is relevant. UK common law includes the right to bear arms, but the US constitution essentially says "You're not allowed to restrict people from owning weapons" --- Keep it green. <cite>Sonic Cannon posted [p:896278299] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote>i think so yes <cite>spincr posted...</cite> <quote>For the non americans, 2nd amendment is like free speech right?</quote> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.</quote> The "shall not be infringed" is more where the second amendment is relevant. UK common law includes the right to bear arms, but the US constitution essentially says "You're not allowed to restrict people from owning weapons"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 02/17/18 7:57:48 PM #19:	@sobergermanguy No it actually is not, criminals never follow laws to begin with and get weapons illegally through the black market. Why do you think the law prohibits felons the right to bear arms ? --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" 3DS FC: 1564 - 7512 - 1815 <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:896278599] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote>@sobergermanguy No it actually is not, criminals never follow laws to begin with and get weapons illegally through the black market. Why do you think the law prohibits felons the right to bear arms ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sobergermanguy 02/17/18 8:04:50 PM #20:	Offworlder1 posted... @sobergermanguy No it actually is not, criminals never follow laws to begin with and get weapons illegally through the black market. Why do you think the law prohibits felons the right to bear arms ? No, they can buy them legally in quite a few states and no one cares or gives a shit. Also, where do you think these black market guns come from? Thin air? --- You choc-blocked me, bro <cite>sobergermanguy posted [p:896278942] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>@sobergermanguy No it actually is not, criminals never follow laws to begin with and get weapons illegally through the black market. Why do you think the law prohibits felons the right to bear arms ?</quote> No, they can buy them legally in quite a few states and no one cares or gives a shit. Also, where do you think these black market guns come from? Thin air?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Spiret 02/17/18 8:12:00 PM #21:	the second amendment is why we still have the freedom of speech. without it we wouldn't be where we are in the world now. and you dont need a piece of paper to tell you your given rights as a human being with free will. --- Currently playing: Forza Horizon 3 - Dead Rising - Hitman <cite>Dark_Spiret posted [p:896279311] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote>the second amendment is why we still have the freedom of speech. without it we wouldn't be where we are in the world now. and you dont need a piece of paper to tell you your given rights as a human being with free will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 02/17/18 8:13:47 PM #22:	I think the USA would be far better off updating the 2nd amendment to meet standards of a modern society. Right now the 2nd amendment is just rather vague and was written at a time when guns were single shot and took time to reload while also being pretty inaccurate. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:896279378] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote>I think the USA would be far better off updating the 2nd amendment to meet standards of a modern society. Right now the 2nd amendment is just rather vague and was written at a time when guns were single shot and took time to reload while also being pretty inaccurate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spincr 02/17/18 8:18:37 PM #23:	Tmaster148 posted... I think the USA would be far better off updating the 2nd amendment to meet standards of a modern society. Right now the 2nd amendment is just rather vague and was written at a time when guns were single shot and took time to reload while also being pretty inaccurate. Irrelevant, had they better weapons, they would've still liked them no? --- In 2000, Norad had 67 Intercepts, 100% accuracy. On 9/11 they failed 4 times in 1 day. In 2015 over 162 000 refugee's entered Sweden, 494 of them got a job. <cite>spincr posted [p:896279637] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>I think the USA would be far better off updating the 2nd amendment to meet standards of a modern society. Right now the 2nd amendment is just rather vague and was written at a time when guns were single shot and took time to reload while also being pretty inaccurate.</quote> Irrelevant, had they better weapons, they would've still liked them no?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sobergermanguy 02/17/18 8:25:31 PM #24:	Dark_Spiret posted... the second amendment is why we still have the freedom of speech. All the countries with no law similar to the second amendment seem to be doing just fine in that department --- You choc-blocked me, bro <cite>sobergermanguy posted [p:896280018] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark_Spiret posted...</cite> <quote>the second amendment is why we still have the freedom of speech.</quote> All the countries with no law similar to the second amendment seem to be doing just fine in that department</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 02/17/18 8:27:34 PM #25:	sobergermanguy posted... Dark_Spiret posted... the second amendment is why we still have the freedom of speech. All the countries with no law similar to the second amendment seem to be doing just fine in that department Thats why the UK wants to arrest you for what you post on the internet. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:896280121] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>sobergermanguy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark_Spiret posted...</cite> <quote>the second amendment is why we still have the freedom of speech.</quote> All the countries with no law similar to the second amendment seem to be doing just fine in that department</quote> Thats why the UK wants to arrest you for what you post on the internet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Spiret 02/17/18 8:30:40 PM #26:	Tmaster148 posted... I think the USA would be far better off updating the 2nd amendment to meet standards of a modern society. Right now the 2nd amendment is just rather vague and was written at a time when guns were single shot and took time to reload while also being pretty inaccurate. multishot weapons already existed before and around when the constitution was made along with a lot of conceptions and blueprints for specific arms (belton flint lock, volley guns, nock guns, puckle guns, girandoni rifle, pepper box pistols, multibarrel muskets). muskets just happen to be the easiest, cheapest and most common for everyone to get. its hard to think that the founding fathers didnt pay attention with their own eyes to the technologically evolving world around them when they wrote the constitution. the words "bear Arms" is a big tip off. sobergermanguy posted... All the countries with no law similar to the second amendment seem to be doing just fine in that department uh, huh --- Currently playing: Forza Horizon 3 - Dead Rising - Hitman <cite>Dark_Spiret posted [p:896280279] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>I think the USA would be far better off updating the 2nd amendment to meet standards of a modern society. Right now the 2nd amendment is just rather vague and was written at a time when guns were single shot and took time to reload while also being pretty inaccurate.</quote>multishot weapons already existed before and around when the constitution was made along with a lot of conceptions and blueprints for specific arms (belton flint lock, volley guns, nock guns, puckle guns, girandoni rifle, pepper box pistols, multibarrel muskets). muskets just happen to be the easiest, cheapest and most common for everyone to get. its hard to think that the founding fathers didnt pay attention with their own eyes to the technologically evolving world around them when they wrote the constitution. the words "bear Arms" is a big tip off. <cite>sobergermanguy posted...</cite> <quote>All the countries with no law similar to the second amendment seem to be doing just fine in that department</quote>uh, huh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sobergermanguy 02/17/18 8:31:50 PM #27:	scorpion41 posted... sobergermanguy posted... Dark_Spiret posted... the second amendment is why we still have the freedom of speech. All the countries with no law similar to the second amendment seem to be doing just fine in that department Thats why the UK wants to arrest you for what you post on the internet. Because that would never happen in the US https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/18/facebook-comments-arrest-prosecution If only he had the second amendment --- You choc-blocked me, bro <cite>sobergermanguy posted [p:896280335] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sobergermanguy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark_Spiret posted...</cite> <quote>the second amendment is why we still have the freedom of speech.</quote> All the countries with no law similar to the second amendment seem to be doing just fine in that department</quote> Thats why the UK wants to arrest you for what you post on the internet.</quote> Because that would never happen in the US https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/18/facebook-comments-arrest-prosecution If only he had the second amendment</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 02/17/18 8:32:06 PM #28:	scorpion41 posted... sobergermanguy posted... Dark_Spiret posted... the second amendment is why we still have the freedom of speech. All the countries with no law similar to the second amendment seem to be doing just fine in that department Thats why the UK wants to arrest you for what you post on the internet. The fact that the UK doesn't have a constitution to begin with is a big part of this. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:896280350] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sobergermanguy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark_Spiret posted...</cite> <quote>the second amendment is why we still have the freedom of speech.</quote> All the countries with no law similar to the second amendment seem to be doing just fine in that department</quote> Thats why the UK wants to arrest you for what you post on the internet.</quote> The fact that the UK doesn't have a constitution to begin with is a big part of this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 02/17/18 8:34:17 PM #29:	spincr posted... Tmaster148 posted... I think the USA would be far better off updating the 2nd amendment to meet standards of a modern society. Right now the 2nd amendment is just rather vague and was written at a time when guns were single shot and took time to reload while also being pretty inaccurate. Irrelevant, had they better weapons, they would've still liked them no? It's not about liking the weapons. Founding fathers thought of the average person as idiots which was a big reason for them making the EC. The founding fathers also wrote the constitution with the concept that it would change over time as well which is also why a lot of things are vaguely described. But with that together, they probably would of wrote the 2nd amendment differently had there been widespread availability of deadlier guns. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:896280476] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote><cite>spincr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>I think the USA would be far better off updating the 2nd amendment to meet standards of a modern society. Right now the 2nd amendment is just rather vague and was written at a time when guns were single shot and took time to reload while also being pretty inaccurate.</quote> Irrelevant, had they better weapons, they would've still liked them no?</quote> It's not about liking the weapons. Founding fathers thought of the average person as idiots which was a big reason for them making the EC. The founding fathers also wrote the constitution with the concept that it would change over time as well which is also why a lot of things are vaguely described. But with that together, they probably would of wrote the 2nd amendment differently had there been widespread availability of deadlier guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nativengine 02/17/18 8:37:47 PM #30:	No, and guns arent getting banned in the US. --- Jive <cite>nativengine posted [p:896280651] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote>No, and guns arent getting banned in the US.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sonic Cannon 02/18/18 4:42:33 AM #31:	Bump for more --- Keep it green. <cite>Sonic Cannon posted [p:896300156] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote>Bump for more</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 02/18/18 4:52:49 AM #32:	This is an irrelevant question. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:896300367] in Would the ... [t:76330333]...</cite> <quote>This is an irrelevant question.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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