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everyone is an idiot

its a 10/10 in my heart :)

frank has never been above killing those types before. lots of different people got the bullet.

Darkman124 posted...

and i want your weapon registered by owner

registration leads to confiscation which kinda puts a bend in the whole concept of the 2nd amendment. the tech changes, but the concept of needing the tools to stand up to an opposing force does not. that means keeping up with as much of what an opposing modern force would have.

there is also a MASSIVE difference in cars vs guns. a car is a 2ton chunk of metal interacting with other 2ton chunks of metal going side by side at 50mph down a road with people inside them and needing to adhere to a hundred different rules on how to interact with them and being able to travel in them. there needs to be additional steps in order so people do not potentially kill a dozen individuals because they turned a little rubber steering wheel a few degrees too far to the left. just the sheer accident tallies shows how serious it. even with all of the additional steps in operating cars and their rules it leads to about 25x more vehicle accidents and deaths than guns despite there only being 2.5x more vehicles than guns in the US and even factoring in concealed carry holders who carry their firearms on them most of the time its still not as much as vehicles comparatively which involves all of the extra rules, regulations and required aspects.

the problem is that its never enough. i do feel most on the left do NOT want to ban guns, but when ever something happens theres this constant knee jerk emotional response of "we have to do something" which generally means getting rid of another part of the object or even further rights instead of analyzing why something like that happened and going after the root cause. eventually you are left with nothing. just look at NY and the crap they keep proposing thats not only in serious violation of the 2nd, but also the first now. there is no satisfaction on gun control.

Axiom posted...

They're really just conservatives that don't want to be identified as such so they claim to be "centrists" and "moderates". These same people hold a majority of opinions that are hard right

a lot of the time its more that a lot of centrists tend to hold left leaning beliefs in my experience, but feel those beliefs have harder limits. immigration as an example, i know a lot of moderates who dont want a wall and feel it should be EASIER for people who want to become citizens to do so (none of this 10 year bullshit) while on the other hand severely limiting the incentives that people have for coming here illegally (getting insurance, taxing companies who hire illegals ect.).

with that many centrists just hate the way the left now acts and dont want to be associated with them rather than if they disagree with their policies. the left has gone batshit with their level of complaining and blowing things out of proportion. trump could tie his shoelaces a different way and there will be 10 publications that will associate that to hitler or being oppressed in some way.

typically you know what youre getting with a republican. theres not a huge amount of variation there and they tend to be so holdem to their ideals that they will put a gun to your head. the chance of core violence tends to be heightened on the right.

however democrats are not above that level of thinking, they just tend to have different methods of getting there. violence usually tends to be replaced with chastising, ridiculing and going after the means of how you may live your life (your job, your bank, credit card holders, youtube, patreon, paypal ect.). they may not put a gun to your head, but will gladly poke you with a needle a million times until you bleed out. this is all made worse by just how many different groups are on the left which means more rules and more ways of making you think how you should act. theres just a higher level of daunting bullshit on the left that you dont really get on the right.

hmm i wonder whos alt this is....

very much so but expect janky as fuck combat.

im indulging right now. while im typing this.

there is no peak so buckle up.

my dream is to retire on a lot of wooded land and live like a hermit. that amount of acres would be wonderful and it would be all mine!

learn to take care of your self and your family cause no one else will.

RoadsterUFO posted...

A lot of self-proclaimed "conservative/NRA/gun rights" apologists are gonna excuse Trump's leftist gun grabbing on the basis of him having an R next to his political affiliation.

in a lot of circles im seeing most are pretty much done with him and the republican party. i seriously doubt theyll vote D, but maybe if more stop voting republican itll make the right rethink some things or push through an actual viable third party.

Bio1590 posted...

They literally didn't ban any guns.

its more that the ATF was forced to redefine something that already had a definition (semi-automatic assault weapons anyone?) and have said explicitly that bumpstocks wernt part of it in order to now turn hundreds of thousands of people in to criminals. all for a device thats literally a $20 piece of plastic that you can remove from the gun and still have the gun function that can be mimicked by your finger and a whole host of other ways.

this whole thing is so stupid. this isnt going to garner any favors on the left or make them back off on gun control, but it WILL make some of those on the right tell you to fuck off and not vote for you. trump isnt winning anyone over on any side with this.

Tmaster148 posted...

I do think it's funny that after all the fear mongering about gun grabbing during Obama's presidency that the closest we've gotten to an actual gun grab is from Trump's presidency.

most of the actual big gun control bills were on republicans watches. 2A poeple are alone and always have been. if anything they tend to get complacent with a republican in office and this shit happens as a result. obama couldnt pass anything big (despite talking it about it every other week, tho he did pass a whole host of small stuff that most didnt realize) because pretty much the entire 2A community was on the defensive. damned if you do damned if you dont.

yay for pointless gun control that wont stop SHIT!

the NRA should have died long ago.

monkmith posted...

underpaid, overworked, underappreciated, and now expected to lay your life on the line?

if something goes down their life is already on the line. teachers tend to get targeted as much as the students.

more the merrier :)

IdiotMachine posted...

Oh really? I didn't know that. I'm looking to buy one and the ones I saw were 22LR and 5.56/223. I'm not sure which one to go for and why...

get the 556 one and and a .22 conversion kit or a dedicated upper receiver and switch them out as you please.

while im not a fan of more guns in schools, it IS the best solution thus far as far as combating a school shooter.

1. a lot of teachers carry off school premises anyway (i personally know two who do)
2. many teachers are former military and law enforcement
3. police and school resource officers cant be everywhere unless you want to put one in every hallway. much higher chance an armed teacher would be in the same hall in an event even if only 1/10th of the staff was armed.
4. someone would know who the resource officers are and who to target first or plan around them. they might not know which teachers are carrying or how many and which arnt.
5. teachers tend to be more invested in the kids and their students to begin with which means there stands a higher chance they will try to protect them (especially when they tend to be in the line of fire too). legally police have NO obligation to safe you or walk into gun fire for you.

why not?

the AR platform supports over 70 calibers.

what gun, officer?

as someone who carries almost every day, i hope to god never.

i tried to kill my self twice in that time, so yes.

overall id agree, but both tend to have their pros and cons. lately iv been on console more, probably will be in the future until nvidia stops going up their own ass. the hardware side really needs more competition.

what a nice agenda you have there.

suicides have gone up ALL over europe as well and yet they have less access to firearms. guns are an easy way out, but it turns out if someone wants to kill them selves theres no shortage of means to do so.

yillin posted...

You are crazy if you think America could ever have a revolution again. If you think the everyday citizen armed with a citizen level weapon (handgun, shotgun, semi-auto rifle) thinks they are a competition for the strongest military in the world then I got a bridge in the Sahara to sell you

hypothetically, it really wouldnt take much to fuck up the government especially when a real fight wouldnt go down like they did in the 1700's. timothy mcveigh showed what crazy is capable of (ironically due to the government overplaying their hand), christopher dorner had the lapd spooked into shooting at innocent people. even the latest trump lover who mailed all those pipebombs had the media panicking. people run everything still and people need places to sleep, familys to have ect. which are all still susceptible to bullets and intimidation. its hard to fight a drone at 2000feet, its not hard to take down the person who controls it or the individuals who have to cover the tanks from the rear. its also not hard to turn the public against the military who are conveniently intermixed with each other making it all even more of a clusterfuck.

IF it ever got to that point it would be an absolute shit show. the core question is if it would ever get to that point. we have a lot of checks and balances in this country to make sure it hopefully never gets to that, but it has happened to other countries in the past and humanity is a very flawed creature who is very much capable of falling down that shit hole. having the citizens own their own firepower is just one more check to the system from having that happen.

depends on your definition of tyranny i suppose. a lot of the bullshit people consider to be "tyranny" today would be the best thing ever 100 years ago. people today are largely pacified pussies and consider anything that hurts their feelings as tyranny.

the worst relationship iv ever had was when i was in HS, so fuck it. its not a big thing and its not the end of the world.

seasons 1, 2 and 4 are really good-great. 3 is meh and the rest are terrible.

Fossil posted...

A Bronze Star / Purple Heart Vietnam Veteran who was talking to the officers right before he died to inform them of the situation... I'm going to disagree and say shock probably wasn't the reason.

no one is above the concussion effect you get when firing a gun indoors with no hearing protection. the guy was also 70+ years old which doesnt help and most likely he was still out of it considering this JUST happened when the cops showed up.

so there you have a 70 year old with his ears ringing not being able to hear commands and walking into a room with people in the darkness of his own doorway pointing flashlights at him and all he did was instinctively point the flashlight up to see what was going on (he didnt even point the gun at them). it sucks even more that he tells the cops before he dies (in a disturbingly calm voice) where the guy they SHOULD have shot is.

this whole thing is fucking dog shit where police instantly think anyone with a gun is now a bad guy. whats the point in even calling the fucking cops any more? they statistically rarely ever get there in time to save you anyway and when they get there after you saved your self its still a toss up if you walk out of your own goddamn home alive.

now.

or more realistically im on track for around 50-55.

gonna mark my calendar and go on a saving spree!

CommonStar posted...

discussed keeping it secure with trigger locks

thats assuming they know what they tool like. theres lots of different ones. ones that go over the trigger (that are fairly subtle looking), ones that loop through the barrel or up through the magazine well and certain guns come with ones internal that are activated by turning a special key somewhere on the guns.

its also none of their business and she complied with the law.

CommonStar posted...

Why didn't she just agree to do that?

the second letter says that the police inspected her guns and that they were safely stored which means she probably had trigger locks on them and the room mates were too ignorant on guns to realize what they were.

a lot of the time in the beginning is figuring out how things worked. easily the first 50hours. once you actually know the flow you can get fun weapons and frames in not a large amount of time (if i had to redo it all again i could easily get the good stuff in a fraction of the time investment) especially when other players can run you through missions in 1minute and clear whole planets in 15-20minutes tops. once you know the good leveling spots, once you figure out how to trade, once you learn how the mod system functions ect. felt like the game didnt even really start for me till i was 100+ hours invested and once that clicked it hooked me for another 300hours.

KrayzieBonezz posted...

extend life expectancy for everyone

well, some people believe that some dont deserve that through their own lazyness, poor self decisions and potential abuse of the system at the expense of the tax payer.

the internet was a mistake.

guns help ensure there is one last failsafe to everything. its why its so high up on the bill of rights.

cops in general can be very jumpy depending on the location and their training really isnt adequate enough in many situations. there is a lot of instances of police stopping and going after white gun owners (especially harassing open carry ones. iv personally seen it in flint) and even shooting them once they see the presence of a firearm in the moment. this isnt unique to black people.

that said profiling is going to happen when statistics are heavily against young black men. doesnt make it right, but it is what it is. when 6% of the population is attributed to 40%+ of the violent crime in the country things are going to be iffy in certain circumstances.

no matter who you are or the color of your skin you should be able to carry a firearm if youre legally able to and you shouldnt have to fear that cops will shoot you for having it. the police system needs a reboot.

so where they deliberately targeting the children?

be serious, most of this caravan are males (cnn themselves said it) who previously physically overran several checkpoints while throwing rocks and holding their nations flags. there is a real aggressive movement happening and its all recorded on video for everyone to see (not saying they are all like this). the people who launched the gas didnt see a kid and yell "fire". they saw a large group of nearly all men rushing the border and then fired to scatter them.

and its tear gas. yeah it aint pleasant, but its not fucking sarin. chances are extremely low you will be physically harmed by it in any serious way.

there needs to be some type of police reform in the country, but i hope those individuals who spit on them have aback up plan if they need them.

dont try and rush the border and force your way in and you wont get tear gassed. this isnt rocket science.

that said theres nothing wrong if you want an M&P Sport II. those are probably the best entry level premade AR's you can get and they hold up exceptionally well--

fully complete on both? literally pushing in 2 take down pins that connects them both. buying an upper and lower kit? takes a little more work, but theres plenty of videos out there on how to do it. its not hard at all tho maybe a little time consuming if it is your first build. kind of like building your first pc. first time can take a couple hours while you get the hang of it (and are still paranoid you will wreck soemething or install something wrong), but once you know what to do you can get that down to 10minutes.

EDIT: from those two psa links all you have to do is put the 2 take down pins in (which should come with the lower). easy peasy. also dont forget a rear sight or optic. that upper doesnt come with one.

monkmith posted...

yes, its still easier to just go to a local gun show and buy from a guy at a stall if you need your unregistered gun.

private sales still come down to the seller and states laws. just because they are at a gun show doesnt make the situation any different from someone who looks someone up on armslist or gunbroker.

1. 80% lowers are not technically guns nor are they a functional part of a gun. they still require machining and fitting to finish as well as getting a registration number if you live in a state that requires it.
2. its not illegal to make your own firearm in every state in the country. you just cant sell them.
3. its not illegal in MOST states to also make your own firearm with no registration number.
4. a bump stock is not an internal element of a firearm which is by definition from the ATF (at least it was). it is a device that helps with a technique, one that you can simulate with your fingers, one you can make with a 3d printer and one that a 10 year old can make in their room with $30 in parts youd find at walmart. people want to literally regulate a $30 piece of plastic (assuming you used a 3d printer to build one). and yes a bumpstock in general is shit that will wear certain parts of your gun out faster and kill your accuracy, they also require the shooter to know how to handle the gun since you cant just hold it and pull the trigger, they dont work like that. plus to my knowledge they have been used in ONE (1) crime since theyve been around in the last 10 years.

CZ fo lyfe.

if someone wanted to kill a lot of people theres no shortage of means to do so.

EpicKingdom_ posted...

Handgun or shotgun, I'm thinking a shotgun good enough for tight spaces (such as walking in a hallway). Eventually, probably the handgun and shotgun. For the handgun, I assume a Glock is the way to go?

Short version- Glock 19 and Mossberg 500 are the simple go to answers for a new shooter. if money is a problem get a Maverick 88 and a S&W SD9VE (i wouldnt personally go lower than these). Use hallow points in the pistol and bird shot (#6 or lower) or lower end buck shot (like #1-4) in the shotgun if you have to worry about over penetration.

Long version- get out and see what suits you (hold them and try them if you can) when it comes to handguns. glocks are simple and made to work, but are nothing particularly nice when it comes to triggers and ergonomics and in the end it all comes down to what YOU shoot better. and dont cheap out if you can help it, especially if you think this item may defend you or your familys life some day. get something that will last and you know will work which generally means the more notable brands like CZ, Glock, HK, Beretta, SW ect. or Mossberg, Benelli, Beretta, FN ect. for shotguns.

if you want the pistol to be able to pull double duty (carry gun at some point and home defense one) i personally like mid size or compact versions of their big brothers. ones like the Glock 26, S&W M&P compact or the CZ RAMI. small enough to comfortably carry around, but also thick enough to take their larger counterparts magazines so you still got some good firepower. regardless also make sure what ever you pick will shoot the ammo you choose. a great gun will eat anything you put in it, but some can be finicky especially with hallow points. you dont need to get crazy with round counts to make sure, but atleast make sure it flawlessly feeds a few boxes of what you want to use.

a shotgun is a more basic device which you dont need to worry too much about. when it comes down to it a $150 one and a $500 one will function 99.9% the same especially if you arnt going to be shooting them all the time. they tend to make the best HD option thanks to their power and versatility of ammunition available, but they also tend to be longer and harder to move around with in tighter areas. you can go with one that uses a pistol grip or something like a mossberg shockwave, but imo they tend to limit your ammo options (full power buckshot isnt particularly pleasant to shoot out of them) and despite what movies taught us you still need to aim with a shotgun which is harder to do without a stock.

another bit of a controversial topic is the addition of lights on weapons. it can be convenient, but im personally not a fan of needing to point your weapon in the direction of something to see it. because of this i tend to like handguns more for a home defense setup. this is manageable for long guns too with some practice, but mainly for semi-auto ones.