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Thompson posted...

Another day, another meatwave attack where Russia loses hundreds of men for minor and temporary territorial gains...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2MUsa0QLQ

The gains from that latest attack can be measured in tens of meters, with triple digit losses in the attack and Ukraine's subsequent counter attack that pushed them back from those gains. Everyone (including the Russians, I'm sure) can see how desperate and unsustainable this looks.

The Russians pulled up 40000 reserves for Avdiivka (which includes forces diverted from other fronts, thereby further weakening those fronts) and have already lost thousands in all their recent attacks combined for the gain of a few fields around Avdiivka and a railroad embankment. Their most notable gain so far, Terrikon, can't even be effectively used because it's under Ukrainian fire control and they get shredded by artillery and drones before they can make use of it or get anywhere near it.

Yeah, Putin had already begun his conquest at that point in the second Chechen war, and we all know what they did to Grozny.

And shockedpikachu.jpg at Qatari state media legitimizing Hamas as a political party and resistance movement

There are unconfirmed reports that Ukrainian forces have crossed the Dnipro again and have liberated the village of Krynky.

https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1718782862332154357

It looks to me like, at the very least, they're trying to consolidate control over the left bank of the Dnipro before they dig in for winter.

ZaruenKosai posted...

this conflict didnt start on october 7th shill, it has been going on long before hamas, israel has treaed palestinians like shit for years.

Before October 7th, Israel Security forces killed 248 Palestinians, including 40 children, just this year alone.

Some of Israels Past War Crimes Include

2009 - Operation Cast Lead
2012 - Operation Pillar of Defense
2014 - Operation Protective Edge

I know you're gonna say, Operation Cast Lead was because of Hamas firing rockets into Israel

That was because Israel broke the ceasfire agreement they had on November 4th 2008 while the entire world was in euphoria about United States Electing the worlds first black president.

Israel used the opportunity to break the ceasefire agreement and raid gaza and killed palestinians, by the Israelis Foreign Ministers own words at the time.

"The strategy of breaking the ceasefire was to preempt Hamas into an attack, which they could use as a pretext for a much larger invasion.

Baffling isn't it.

Back to 1967, when Israel started a premeptive attack against egypt, syria and jordan and took more land from palestine further enclosing palestinians into the gaza strip.

they illegally occupied the gaza strip and the west bank in what has been formally condemned ever since 1967 as an illegal occupation in violation of international law unilaterally condemned by the world court, the UN, Geneva Conventions and the Red Cross. Worldwide consensus, the majority of countries of the world all call on israel to return to its pre-june 1967 borders.

Back to 1948

In 1948 Zionists extirpated about a million Palestinians from their homes and forced them to relocate to the Gaza Strip, tody, about 70% of all Gazans are considered Refugees from the 1948 explusion.

yes this sparked a conflict., when you have colonial powers coming into a territory that does not belogn to them and forcibly removing people from their land. it tends to get complicated.

invoking the bible as an excuse to ethnically cleanse a population from its territory is a baby brained middle school argument

biblical rights have absolutely no status on the world of today. no one can say that 2000 years ago this is my story of what happened, therefore, I get to take the land from these people.

Thanks for the history lesson

I know what led up to all this, I'm not arguing how or why this happened because I know all of that happened and I don't disagree with you that it happened. There's been plenty of violence and unrest from both sides that led up to this and I fully recognize that and agree that it happened.

I'm not saying all Palestinians are terrorists either, or that they deserve to die for the crimes of the minority that are Hamas members. I see what's going on in Gaza and it's truly awful, but I also see that all this bloodshed on both sides could've been avoided if Hamas was dealt with before they became as big of a threat as they are today.

Much of the humanitarian aid that's gone into Gaza over the years has been confiscated by Hamas in order to build up their military capabilities. Pipes meant to provide Palestinians in Gaza with clean water were ripped up by Hamas and used to build their rocket arsenal. By these actions and more, Hamas had made it very clear they're not interested in a peaceful solution.

Zikten posted...

I see your sig. How can you support Ukraine in 1 war but you sympathize with Israel in another? Palestine is Ukraine. Israel is Russia

I sympathize with Israel because they just dealt with a massive terrorist attack and invasion and want to deal with the threat from Hamas once and for all so it won't happen again.

I sympathize with Ukraine because they're dealing with a massive terrorist attack and invasion and want to deal with the threat from Russia once and for all so it won't happen again.

Also, I don't like the fact that civilians die in any war, at all, but if Hamas is going to be building their tunnel complexes, rocket launch facilities and other military infrastructure in residential areas it's really difficult to avoid collateral damage.

So you're saying Hamas isn't evil then, I've heard enough out of you...

Yeah, I'm not on the side of savages who behead babies and massacre peaceful civilians at a music festival like you are. I'm such a shill...

Lots of Hamas sympathizers in here today, I'm honestly not surprised though...

Russian defences on the Dnipro are beginning to collapse.

https://youtu.be/-L0lVdXgB8Y?si=FNlhiut34EH29s9r

The Ukrainians have successfully crossed the Dnipro once again and have dug in within a wooded area south of the new crossing.

Reporting From Ukraine posted a video with updates on the situation in Kherson. Looks like the Ukrainians have been preparing for this with shaping operations for a while now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w952CCyU4QY

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-gaza-attack-10-09-23/h_1f253900a97383568f251735b8703268

Israel has retaken control of all territory seized by Hamas.

Israel has formally declared war on Hamas

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-gaza-attack-10-08-23#h_ab82e86a3ee54772589cce034430b017

Yeah, the Russians are actually in Kyiv (or Kiev, in "the Ukraine", as you people call it) and it was all a complete success with no Russian losses at all. Every single counteroffensive that pushed them back never happened and the Ukrainian military is 100% wiped out.

...

I believe they moved most of the fleet, or whatever remains of it, to Novorossiysk after the sub and landing craft were destroyed

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1705287293441917262?s=20

If this is true things have gotten REALLY bad for the Black Sea Fleet, it's practically destroyed by a country with no navy to speak of. Pretty embarrassing for the Russians if you ask me, but definitely well deserved.

_____Cait posted...

When you really think about it, this was Pearl Harbor

*roll credits*
*There Youll Be starts playing*

I mean if its a direct quote from someone who was actually there then thats different, but if that was a creative decision then it was a bad one

https://x.com/kyivindependent/status/1703011993408442736?s=46&t=O1zwTexrY3GMDoqLf1jzJw

Expect to finally see long range missile strikes on military targets in Russia very soon.

That's apparently from north of Bakhmut in July and they appear to have used thermobaric shells there too and the same exact justification as they just did in Opytne, that they thought the retreating soldiers were advancing Ukrainians, so this was definitely no accident. Barrier troops 100%.

Looked like they used thermobaric shells too so they REALLY wanted them dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Bqcg52pr0

Apparently the big Ukrainian advance into Opytne was due to that friendly fire incident that's making the rounds where the Russians called in artillery strikes on their own retreating soldiers. Those strikes caused over 60 casualties and a collapse of the entire front line north of Opytne. The Ukrainians exploited this as a happy little accident and entered the town where fighting is still ongoing as of the last known updates.

They're also increasing pressure on the southern flank of the Avdiivka front pushing towards the town of Pisky. If they eliminate that flank they'll have destroyed a year's worth of Russian progress and will be on, or very close to territory Russians have occupied since 2015.

https://deepstatemap.live/en#12/48.0775/37.7205

VeggetaX posted...

He would because he has rebuilt so many burnt bridges that I can see him bringing back Phil.

I think he'll do it for the simple fact that people have been waiting for CM Punk to come back to WWE for over a decade and so the pop he would get on his first night back would be insane. I feel like that would be too big of an opportunity to bring some of the WWE fan base back to pass up.

Thats just pure evil

And they wonder why Russophobia exists

Im halfway through it and Ive enjoyed every song so far. Seems like theyve really bounced back from Ryans death and even wrote a song, Overflow, as a tribute to him

https://deepstatemap.live/en#13/46.6566/32.7240

The Ukrainians have confirmed the liberation of the village of Dachi on the left bank of the Dnipro, making it the first liberated settlement on the left bank of the war.

Xenogears15 posted...

I forget who, but I remember a commenter being amazed during the early parts of the offensive with how fiercely Russia was defending positions like Staromaiors'ke and the rest of the ledge with bodies, when really those should have been nothing more than meant as distractions to blunt the momentum of the advancing Ukrainians.

My theory on that part of the front is that the Russians brought their main defensive force forward in that area and dug in closer to the grey area to make it seem like the defenses in that area were stronger than they actually were.

If the attacker is encountering what they believe are just outposts and outlying defensive elements ahead of the main defenses and are already fighting like they were around Staromaiors'ke that will usually lead the attacker to believe the main defenses will be even worse to overcome even though unbeknownst to them they may already be up against the main defense.

Xenogears15 posted...

The real lines were supposed to hold south of Staromlynivka, where the first real km-long fortifications were built. This made the commenter ask: 1) were the Russians short on reserves?, and; 2) were the fortifications built like shit beyond the minefields and towns between them? Were both true at the same time?

I think the Russians know they don't have the bodies to fill all the defense lines so they're focusing all their defense front and center leaving very little in the rear to defend against breakouts. They were betting on the fact that one well-fortified defense line would repel any attacks by the Ukrainians and inflict catastrophic losses on the AFU to a point where the counteroffensive is called off without needing to fortify the other defense lines as much.

It's a gamble because if the defense fails and there is a breakout there's not much preventing the attacker from moving virtually unimpeded (or at least with more ease), but if the defense is successful they can attrition the attacker to the point where a breakthrough isn't possible and they're forced to dig in to hold positions through the winter.

Or I could just be talking out of my ass. These are just theories I have based on what I've been seeing with the counteroffensive and the weeks and months leading up to it.

If that's true then they've completely shattered the Russian lines there and are really picking up momentum now.

It makes sense though, those secondary and tertiary defenses (and all the little foxholes and stuff around the cities) won't be nearly as fortified (and mined) as the first line of defense was. The Russians were really counting on stopping the counteroffensive on or before the first line.

Xenogears15 posted...

If Ukraine have actually breached the second line of defense, if Ukraine could relatively quickly clear the km-long trench networks running east-to-west in the immediate areas of the frontline there...then it's possible to do a roll up on Rissian positions north and south of said trenches, I guess?

Still definitely taking this with a huge grain of salt, especially since I haven't seen it reported anywhere else.

If this is actually happening we should know about it for sure in the next few days. Till then we'll probably only hear rumors and unconfirmed reports about it due to opsec.

https://twitter.com/UKikaski/status/1694845226181972379

Extremely unconfirmed and very biased report, but if true there's a breakthrough out of Robotyne that's already breached the second line of defense on the Surovikin line with massive Russian casualties and is gaining lots of momentum.

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1694627955496886779?s=20

The Ukrainians landed on Crimea as part of a special operation and achieved all the goals of the operation with no losses. The goals don't appear to have been disclosed, but I'm thinking the destruction of the S-400 complex yesterday was probably one of them.

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1694289844023787569?s=20

Thompson posted...

Bavovna in Moscow.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1689317950732324864

Looks like a thermobaric explosion from that video clip, unless that second explosion was a massive secondary.

they will probably need to bring in engineers to level out parts of the anti-tank ditch so they can cross it in force. If that ditch is compromised that's already a significant breach in the main Russian defense line.

In fact this may have already happened, this is all information from a few days ago and I seem to remember seeing pictures of Ukrainian forces in an area with dragons teeth moved aside.

Confirmation of Ukrainians breaching Russian defenses north of Robotyne and finally reaching the dragons teeth and anti-tank ditch on the main Russian defense line

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STwXO5k0_3k

https://deepstatemap.live/en#12/47.4572/35.9181

https://youtu.be/aSu9sL335B4

The Ukrainians are striking Crimea hard and it looks like theyre setting conditions for complete collapse of the southern forces as soon as theyre able to break out in Zaporizhzhia and from their bridgehead across the Dnipro

I've seen Detroit from Windsor on the other side of the Ambassador Bridge but that's as close as I've been and about as close as I care to be if I don't have a reason to go there.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Nah, it's pretty clear. The "I am very organic and neutral" line kinda gives it away.

That and "the entrances to both the Baltic and Black Sea being controlled by NATO was part of the plan all along."

yeah, that post was clearly not meant to be taken seriously

The Ukrainians have breached Russian defenses and eliminated a major strongpoint near Klishchiivka. They've begun surrounding the town and the remaining strongpoint in the region with two armored spearheads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCFTmQRSfUA

The DeepState map now has a toggle to show the locations of all Russian defenses

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/2/7/AABTz6AAEoE3.jpg

Looks like the Ukrainians still have a lot of work to do if they want to force a breakthrough in these defenses but apparently they are preparing to take advantage of a weakness they found. These defenses look pretty solid, but if the Ukrainians know of a weakness they'll be attacking in force very soon and we've seen in Kharkiv and Kherson what happens when the Ukrainians attack in force...

Once breached and the positions are compromised these defenses are pretty much useless because they can be attacked from all sides, so when the Ukrainians do make a breakthrough expect to see a mass retreat at least in the area of the breakthrough.

Not yet, I had plans to go to Australia because I have lots of friends in Melbourne, but those plans fell through due to covid and about 3 years later I havent gotten around to rescheduling them. It might still happen sometime in the future but right now I have no immediate plans.

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1673989432318259201

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1673509067640434689

Prigozhin sent out a press release explaining his reasoning for the march on Rostov and Moscow, and his reasoning for backing down before reaching Moscow. He also states that he did everything as peacefully as he could and that the intended goal was never to overthrow the government, but to protest against the efforts of the Russian MoD to dissolve the Wagner Group and show the MoD what an organized force is able to achieve.

BadKarma_JT posted...

Did the Ukraine counterattack really stall? The guys discuss @16:00 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJQmCFTYCh8

Things are in motion and have even picked up since the start of Prigozhin's little temper tantrum.

We're not seeing much besides a trickle of information here and there that's safe to release (due to the fact that it's an ongoing offensive they have to be very careful about opsec) but things are happening.

andel posted...

yeah, the fact putin is openly agreeing to not criminally go after prigozhin or wagner shows just how weak his position is. could you imagine an armed insurgency in the states whose stated goal is the execution of the military brass and trials for the civilian leadership being let go with their army and no charges? especially after killing military personnel and occupying major cities? it would never happen here and that would normally doubly be true in a strongman dictatorship if they had the resources to resolve it any other way.

Yeah, in any half-decently run dictatorship people like that would be executed for treason without hesitation.

Regardless of the outcome it looks like this was just the kind of distraction the Ukrainians needed because theyve launched heavier offensive operations across the entire front, possibly including across the Dnipro in the Kherson region.

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1672653544439136260

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1672656609028308993

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1672578245772947456

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1672642236012544000

So far only Russian sources are reporting this but it's a significant development in Ukraine if true.

https://twitter.com/tendar/status/1672523999425994752

The rats are fleeing the sinking ship.