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Questionmarktarius
07/26/23 3:54:12 PM
#51:


Humble_Novice posted...
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1683921313851932672
you know it's bad when you gotta ask North Korea for aid.
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Kibouno
07/26/23 3:56:12 PM
#52:


Humble_Novice posted...
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1683921313851932672
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Xenogears15
07/26/23 3:56:30 PM
#53:


Hopefully this'll push SK to provide 155mm shells to Ukraine.

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Blue_Thunder
07/26/23 4:34:50 PM
#54:


Questionmarktarius posted...

you know it's bad when you gotta ask North Korea for aid.

Do their soldiers even have any combat experience?

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TheHorus
07/26/23 8:21:57 PM
#55:


Humble_Novice posted...
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1683921313851932672

Ah yes, Russia or perhaps more accurately the Russian Government, with an army that is second in the world, no second in Ukraine, no second in Russia is crying out to the communist partners in China and North Korea like a baby.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-sending-russia-masses-of-military-gear-including-drones-report-2023-7?amp
Such a Superpower to lead the World Order.

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SgtBash
07/27/23 8:29:50 AM
#56:


Ukrainian gets disqualified from a Fencing tournament for refusing to shake her opponent's hand.

https://twitter.com/tribunaua/status/1684525518178111489

The opponent was of course, a Russian

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Zikten
07/27/23 8:41:28 AM
#57:


fuck that tournament. They should not be expecting her to shake the hand of someone from the country that is murdering her people
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Slayer_22
07/27/23 8:59:19 AM
#58:


SgtBash posted...
Ukrainian gets disqualified from a Fencing tournament for refusing to shake her opponent's hand.

https://twitter.com/tribunaua/status/1684525518178111489

The opponent was of course, a Russian
A 'neutral' Russian who has pictures of herself posing with her brother and with Russian troops and the like.

The Ukranian offered to clash sabers, which is apparently allowed, but the Russian refused and demanded a handshake. She was given none, then sat on the field of play for almost an hour in protest.

No handshake means DQ, usually, but Olha(the Ukranian) was allowed through. Then she was DQ'd before she could compete in the next round.

Disgusting.

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Sir_Will
07/27/23 8:59:56 AM
#59:


Zikten posted...
fuck that tournament. They should not be expecting her to shake the hand of someone from the country that is murdering her people


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Lobinde
07/27/23 3:08:07 PM
#61:


Has anyone else noticed that russian propaganda/propagandists have become even dumber since the failed Wagner mutiny?
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s0nicfan
07/27/23 3:11:53 PM
#62:


Lobinde posted...
Has anyone else noticed that russian propaganda/propagandists have become even dumber since the failed Wagner mutiny?

With a good chunk of Wagner out of the picture right now and the drafting age in Russia boosted to 30 while also pushing back the reservist age to like 70, it might legitimately be that the people running propaganda on social media are getting dumber and dumber as the half-capable ones are being deployed.

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videospirit
07/27/23 4:31:39 PM
#63:


The casualties on Russia's side can't be having that big of an impact on a societal scale can it? I'd think it would take at least a million casualties to have a massive societal impact in a nation with like 160 million people unless the people they're targeting with their draft have an outsize influence on society.

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Xenogears15
07/27/23 4:34:31 PM
#64:


videospirit posted...
The casualties on Russia's side can't be having that big of an impact on a societal scale can it? I'd think it would take at least a million casualties to have a massive societal impact in a nation with like 160 million people unless the people they're targeting with their draft have an outsize influence on society.

More like 143 million, but yeah.

Staromaiors'ke has been recaptured. Reports of Ukraine also enterring Urozhaine (east of Staromaiors'ke), and making 1-3 km gains east of Robotyne.

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UnholyMudcrab
07/27/23 4:45:45 PM
#66:


videospirit posted...
The casualties on Russia's side can't be having that big of an impact on a societal scale can it? I'd think it would take at least a million casualties to have a massive societal impact in a nation with like 160 million people unless the people they're targeting with their draft have an outsize influence on society.
Russia is on the verge of a demographic crisis. The population skews older because it has one of the lowest fertility rates in the world, the excess deaths from both COVID and the war have driven death rates waaaay above birth rates, and the people being drafted and killed in the war are coming from demographic groups that are already hurting. And on top of everything else, hundreds of thousands of people have also fled the country to escape repression and the draft since the war started.

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Sir_Will
07/27/23 5:48:07 PM
#67:


Yeah they're losing a lot of young people

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videospirit
07/27/23 7:08:39 PM
#69:


Yeah, hadn't factored in the number of people fleeing Russia, but the claim I was skeptical of was Russian war Commentators getting dumber because the smarter ones were theoretically all getting drafted.

Somehow that demographic doesn't seem like the type to flee the country though.

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s0nicfan
07/27/23 7:31:56 PM
#70:


videospirit posted...
Yeah, hadn't factored in the number of people fleeing Russia, but the claim I was skeptical of was Russian war Commentators getting dumber because the smarter ones were theoretically all getting drafted.

Somehow that demographic doesn't seem like the type to flee the country though.

I misunderstood your point. I thought you were talking about russian troll farms for social media. The ones that tend to go into high gear whenever something bad just happened to Russia. Not the serious political commentators.

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videospirit
07/27/23 8:26:59 PM
#71:


s0nicfan posted...
I misunderstood your point. I thought you were talking about russian troll farms for social media. The ones that tend to go into high gear whenever something bad just happened to Russia. Not the serious political commentators.

Aren't a lot of the troll farms foreigners anyway? I thought they set up in the balkans and the like?

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Foppe
07/28/23 1:22:21 AM
#72:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12345001/New-Wagner-recruits-told-agree-fight-inside-NATO-countries-Poland-Lithuania-sign-Ukraine-claims.html

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ROBANN_88
07/29/23 5:36:48 AM
#74:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


oldie but a goodie: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/yurq2h/a_ukrainian_ifv_simply_drives_through_some/

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Sahel
07/29/23 3:32:08 PM
#75:


Ukraine has publicly unveiled their new sea drones. They are remote control with a range of 500 miles. They move too quickly for the Russian Navy to counter them.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-unveiled-new-sea-drone-black-sea-wipe-out-russia-2023-7?amp

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s0nicfan
07/29/23 3:33:54 PM
#76:


Sahel posted...
Ukraine has publicly unveiled their new sea drones. They are remote control with a range of 500 miles. They move too quickly for the Russian Navy to counter them.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-unveiled-new-sea-drone-black-sea-wipe-out-russia-2023-7?amp

Okay, so after Russia destroyed all of Ukraine's transport infrastructure for grain and blockaded their ports, and after promising a whole bunch of African nations that they would give them multiple years of free grain, I guess this means they're now going to claim that Ukraine is preventing them from delivering said free grain and therefore its Ukraine's fault that Africa is starving and not Russia.

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SgtBash
07/30/23 12:08:36 PM
#77:


Ukraine has knocked down the door to Russia, HERE WE FUCKIN' GO BOYS!!!

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1685666201911930880

Finally, let's see how Russia likes it when it's them under attack, although unlike Russia, Ukraine would only be striking military targets

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Humble_Novice
07/30/23 12:11:05 PM
#78:


https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4120716-russias-warmongers-are-turning-against-putin/

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ROBANN_88
07/30/23 3:46:39 PM
#80:


It appears to me that Ukraine keeps sending one or two drones every time.
I kinda wanna see what would happen if they sent like 34 at Moscow at once, like Russia has been doing on Kyiv

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s0nicfan
07/30/23 3:47:55 PM
#81:


ROBANN_88 posted...
It appears to me that Ukraine keeps sending one or two drones every time.
I kinda wanna see what would happen if they sent like 34 at Moscow at once, like Russia has been doing on Kyiv

Honestly, I doubt they have those kind of resources to spare. Their actual goal seems to be to make Moscow citizens who have been relatively insulated from the war more keenly aware of the fact that it could happen to them too to put pressure on the kremlin. One or two drones every couple of weeks serves that purpose using the least number of resources possible.

However, those new high-speed sea drones that they just released can and should be used in force. Both to take out the Crimea bridge and also to push Russia's Black Sea fleet outside of missile range from the mainland.

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havean776
07/30/23 7:38:27 PM
#83:


Well that was scary.

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Humble_Novice
07/30/23 7:45:22 PM
#84:


havean776 posted...
Well that was scary.
Apparently, no one died in that incident.

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TheHorus
07/30/23 8:14:35 PM
#85:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

It seems that Ukraine is publicly taking credit for that drone attack rather then other scenarios such as angry Russian soldiers/protesters, false flag operation to try create propaganda to support war, or a malfunctioning drone making it an accident.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1685717735219830784

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Son_Of_Spam
07/30/23 8:31:51 PM
#86:


TheHorus posted...
It seems that Ukraine is publicly taking credit for that drone attack rather then other scenarios such as angry Russian soldiers/protesters, false flag operation to try create propaganda to support war, or a malfunctioning drone making it an accident.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1685717735219830784
Hopefully they can mass produce these. The best counter to Shaheds is to fight fire with fire.

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divot1338
07/30/23 8:45:28 PM
#87:


You attack our capital, we attack yours. -Ukraine

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Sir_Will
07/30/23 8:46:05 PM
#88:


Ukraine cannot engage in or sanction attacks on civilians. It's a war crime when Russia does it, it's a war crime if they do it. The Crimea bridge is a strategic target. An office building in the middle of Moscow is not. I don't care if they call it some secret limitary office, way too high a chance at civilian casualties.

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andel
07/30/23 9:20:37 PM
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i think it is important for ukraine to keep the moral high ground. indiscriminate bombing of civilians is never ok. the malicious russian shills in government of western nations will find it easier to gain traction if ukraine is committing the same kinda war crimes russia is. bombing civilians doesn't accomplish any military goals so it would be counter productive for ukraine to waste resources on that anyway.

if ukraine wants to fund groups inside russia that want to take russian cities or attack government targets in russia that is fair game of course, but ukraine is the clear good guy and should stay relatively above reproach to ensure everyone keeps sending them plenty of money and resources. if they started attacking russian cities it would probably keep biden from sending them the long range missiles they desperately need.

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Questionmarktarius
07/30/23 9:35:54 PM
#91:


The Ukraine drones were almost certainly headed for military targets, until Russia "intercepted" them into civilian areas.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-brought-down-three-ukrainian-drones-attempting-attack-moscow-2023-07-30/
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Sir_Will
07/30/23 9:37:23 PM
#92:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Fuck that. Targeting civilians is a red line. No fucking war crimes. Even if you can't see the moral problem, somehow, think practically. They will seriously harm their support if they start committing war crimes.

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Zaltera
07/30/23 10:22:50 PM
#93:


Questionmarktarius posted...
The Ukraine drones were almost certainly headed for military targets, until Russia "intercepted" them into civilian areas.

This has happened before and it will happen again.

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andel
07/30/23 10:25:47 PM
#94:


Questionmarktarius posted...
The Ukraine drones were almost certainly headed for military targets, until Russia "intercepted" them into civilian areas.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-brought-down-three-ukrainian-drones-attempting-attack-moscow-2023-07-30/

yeah, that makes the most sense because ukraine wouldn't gain anything from attacking civilian targets and it is just a waste of resources with zero positive outcomes.

russia is attacking civilian targets because they can't access meaningful military targets so are just waging a war of fear and terror to try and get ukraine to capitulate just to stop the wanton murder. that tactic isn't working and had turned even lukewarm ukrainians completely against them, but that seems to be their rationale

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streamofthesky
07/30/23 11:06:06 PM
#95:


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Another 5000 explosions in Moscow and St. Pete and Ukraine will be like halfway towards getting even!
About damn time the war was brought to these fuckers' doorstep.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Pretty much. If Russia wants to negotiate that civilian targets are off-limits, let them.
They were oddly fine with it up to now. Hmm...
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Sir_Will
07/30/23 11:55:27 PM
#96:


Questionmarktarius posted...
The Ukraine drones were almost certainly headed for military targets, until Russia "intercepted" them into civilian areas.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-brought-down-three-ukrainian-drones-attempting-attack-moscow-2023-07-30/
That would make sense except that twitter link says they're taking credit for hitting a skyscraper.

streamofthesky posted...
Pretty much. If Russia wants to negotiate that civilian targets are off-limits, let them.
They were oddly fine with it up to now. Hmm...
Not how it works.

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Chev427BB
07/31/23 1:31:58 AM
#97:


https://youtu.be/aSu9sL335B4

The Ukrainians are striking Crimea hard and it looks like theyre setting conditions for complete collapse of the southern forces as soon as theyre able to break out in Zaporizhzhia and from their bridgehead across the Dnipro

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Thompson
07/31/23 10:05:51 AM
#98:


Chev427BB posted...
The Ukrainians are striking Crimea hard and it looks like theyre setting conditions for complete collapse of the southern forces as soon as theyre able to break out in Zaporizhzhia and from their bridgehead across the Dnipro
It indeed looks like Ukraine hit the Chonhar rail bridge.
https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1685918374415552512
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1686009595482038272
The harder it is for Russia to deliver supplies and ammo to the frontline, the sooner will the defense lines collapse.

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ROBANN_88
07/31/23 1:02:01 PM
#99:


Sir_Will posted...
Ukraine cannot engage in or sanction attacks on civilians. It's a war crime when Russia does it, it's a war crime if they do it. The Crimea bridge is a strategic target. An office building in the middle of Moscow is not. I don't care if they call it some secret limitary office, way too high a chance at civilian casualties.

I read that the building hit was part of a governmental, Ministry of... something or other office

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