Current Events > Israel/Palestine War: Live Thread 4 (Invasion for certain)

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VFalcone
10/26/23 7:48:55 PM
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900 US troops have deployed or are deploying to Middle East amid heightened tensions, Pentagon says
From CNN's Haley Britzky
Roughly 900 US troops have deployed or are deploying to the Middle East to bolster US force protection in the region, Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said Thursday.

These include forces that have been on prepare to deploy orders, and which are deploying from the continental United States, Ryder said. Deployed and deploying units include a Terminal High Altitude Area Defense battery from Fort Bliss Texas, Patriot batteries from Fort Sill, Oklahoma, Patriot and Avenger batteries from Fort Liberty, North Carolina, and associated air defense headquarters elements from Fort Bliss and Fort Cavazos, Texas.

Ryder added that the deploying units would not be going to Israel and are intended to support regional deterrence efforts and further bolster US force protection capabilities. The Pentagon previously announced the deployment of the THAAD and Patriot batteries.
As the war between Israel and Hamas continues, the US is seeking to send a strong message to adversaries to prevent the conflict spreading more widely in the region.
CNN has reported that US has intelligence that Iranian-backed militia groups are planning to ramp up attacks against US forces in the Middle East, as Iran seeks to capitalize on the backlash in the region to American support for Israel.

Intro2Logic posted...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-casualty-figures-from-the-hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry

Before and after satellite images show destruction in Gaza
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/25/middleeast/satellite-images-gaza-destruction/index.html

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Ferarri619
10/26/23 8:11:06 PM
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900 US troops

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Metroid_Food
10/26/23 8:13:46 PM
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A growing number of reports indicate Israeli forces responsible for Israeli civilian and military deaths following October 7 attack

https://shorturl.at/hkwGR

Interesting article with quotes from witnesses, israeli news sources.
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FlyEaglesFly24
10/26/23 8:56:28 PM
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Metroid_Food posted...
A growing number of reports indicate Israeli forces responsible for Israeli civilian and military deaths following October 7 attack

https://shorturl.at/hkwGR

Interesting article with quotes from witnesses, israeli news sources.

The authors name is literally ANONYMOUS CONTRIBUTOR.

Get the fuck out of here.

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JuanCarlos1
10/26/23 9:05:15 PM
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Metroid_Food posted...
A growing number of reports indicate Israeli forces responsible for Israeli civilian and military deaths following October 7 attack

https://shorturl.at/hkwGR

Interesting article with quotes from witnesses, israeli news sources.

Pretty much "9/11 was an inside job". As we know with 9/11, half truths can go a long way with conspiracy theories. That said, I really think Netanyahu knew and allowed it to happen.

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Foppe
10/26/23 9:08:43 PM
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We know these are Israelis, how exactly?

Because Israeli accounts have been posting them for weeks
https://youtu.be/jD7aqKklatU?si=TL0WUaShrT4o9IxE

Or do you believe that it is Hamas propaganda?

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punkfanalways
10/26/23 9:42:55 PM
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JuanCarlos1 posted...
Pretty much "9/11 was an inside job". As we know with 9/11, half truths can go a long way with conspiracy theories. That said, I really think Netanyahu knew and allowed it to happen.

Egypt came out and said theyd informed Israel of the pending attack.

Source here is an Israeli paper.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/amp/

Also quote from senior US official:

Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck, US committee chairman says https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67082047
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VFalcone
10/26/23 11:29:06 PM
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  • Syrian-Iranian attacks leave US soldiers with with traumatic brain injury https://taskandpurpose.com/news/us-troops-tbi-iraq-syria/
  • US strikes Syrian-Iranian sites in retaliation https://apnews.com/article/syria-airstrikes-iran-revolutionary-guard-af3c7a0f069b8c8b08f6feaa0e165d6a
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FlyEaglesFly24
10/26/23 11:47:35 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/middleeast/hamas-attack-body-cam-videos-invs-dg/

This is what Israel is fighting right now

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Teddytalks
10/26/23 11:56:57 PM
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FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
The authors name is literally ANONYMOUS CONTRIBUTOR.

Get the fuck out of here.

Isreal blows up journalist families, or kill the journalist themselves. It would be suicide to out themselves if they are in the region. Anyway, time will validate these claims

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NoMeLx22x
10/27/23 12:05:02 AM
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Teddytalks posted...
Isreal blows up journalist families, or kill the journalist themselves. It would be suicide to out themselves if they are in the region. Anyway, time will validate these claims

Yeah but did you ever consider that those journalists and their families maybe perhaps at one point in time spent time in a building that a member of Hamas spent 5 minutes in like 5 years ago?

Because that's all Israel needs to use the human shield excuse.


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Ferarri619
10/27/23 12:19:31 AM
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Now USA is getting more involved I wonder how badly it will escalate further or if it will somehow de-escalate.

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Teddytalks
10/27/23 1:08:43 AM
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NoMeLx22x posted...
Yeah but did you ever consider that those journalists and their families maybe perhaps at one point in time spent time in a building that a member of Hamas spent 5 minutes in like 5 years ago?

Because that's all Israel needs to use the human shield excuse.

They don't need an excuse. They admit to it openly. 22s in

https://twitter.com/nazihfares/status/1717516045538218477?s=20

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Necronmon
10/27/23 1:16:08 AM
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Yah...that is rather god awful.
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Foppe
10/27/23 1:17:41 AM
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For Israel, killing journalists just means less people that will report their war crimes.
They did it multiple times in the past and they will again, and nothing will happen because we let them keep doing it.

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VFalcone
10/27/23 1:17:44 AM
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Israel has been trying to take down Al Jazeera since the 10/7 attack. I don't know about deep conspiracy theories like a planned 10/7, but I definitely believe they're trying to destroy Al Jazeera. They have shut down all AJ buildings in Israel and blocked their programming.

The killing of the chiefs family can easily be taken as another direct attack.

EDIT: So it was a direct attack then. Killing a man's wife and kids just because you disagree with him. That's just shitty, dude
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Zikten
10/27/23 1:20:16 AM
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Teddytalks posted...
They don't need an excuse. They admit to it openly. 22s in

https://twitter.com/nazihfares/status/1717516045538218477?s=20
He says it so casually, on the air. He doesn't see anything wrong with what happened
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10/27/23 5:01:55 AM
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Metroid_Food
10/27/23 5:23:08 AM
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FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
The authors name is literally ANONYMOUS CONTRIBUTOR.

Get the fuck out of here.

So what? It's still israeli sources being used. Speaking of which, here are survivors on israeli radio saying the same thing in hebrew. See the YT links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cPeRSVgUpQ&t=2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-ESUGUUMk&t=256s

Same story from survivor in interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fghF54maONw&t=1s

These are basically stating the same thing. When the israeli army came in, they gunned down everyone, Hamas and hostage alike, using machine guns and tank rounds on buildings they knew for a fact contained hostages.
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Metroid_Food
10/27/23 5:27:57 AM
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Article highlighting the above sources:

https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-forces-shot-their-own-civilians-kibbutz-survivor-says/38861

The terrorists shot them? Golan asks.
No, they were killed by the crossfire, Porat responds. Understand there was very, very heavy crossfire.

Golan presses: So our forces may have shot them?
Undoubtedly, the former captive responds, and adds, They eliminated everyone, including the hostages because there was very, very heavy crossfire.

This after the interviewee stated the israeli army sprayed the building they were in with machine gun fire. So that's the "crossfire" part she's talking about.
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ZaruenKosai
10/27/23 5:49:36 AM
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israel has once again proven they lie over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Not targeting civilians eh, murdering a reporters whole family because they are the ones reporting the truth about Israels War Crimes and other genocidal actions. Thats just one undeniable example, I am sure they have been targeting civilians the whole time.


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Chev427BB
10/27/23 5:55:25 AM
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Lots of Hamas sympathizers in here today, I'm honestly not surprised though...

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ZaruenKosai
10/27/23 5:58:29 AM
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Chev427BB posted...
Lots of Hamas sympathizers in here today, I'm honestly not surprised though...
Fuck off IDF shill... you have no authority here.
I dont support the genocide or ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
I dont support Fascism Governments like Israel and Netanyu.
We already know all your strategies ... Palestinians do not equal Hamas, and I have been through every dirty trick in the book.


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punkfanalways
10/27/23 6:01:10 AM
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I see your true colours are finally showing. Must have run out of things to cut and last.
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Chev427BB
10/27/23 6:01:27 AM
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Yeah, I'm not on the side of savages who behead babies and massacre peaceful civilians at a music festival like you are. I'm such a shill...

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FinalBraveNUT
10/27/23 6:02:59 AM
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Whoaa

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ZaruenKosai
10/27/23 6:03:11 AM
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Chev427BB posted...
Yeah, I'm not on the side of savages who behead babies and massacre peaceful civilians at a music festival like you are. I'm such a shill...
Keep spreading the lies and propaganda.

You support free reign for Israel to massacre 100k Civilians.

You support the murder of thousands of children. You are on the side of genocide and ethnic cleansing.

You are on the side of evil and lies.

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Chev427BB
10/27/23 6:04:11 AM
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So you're saying Hamas isn't evil then, I've heard enough out of you...

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Zikten
10/27/23 6:04:58 AM
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Chev427BB posted...
Lots of Hamas sympathizers in here today, I'm honestly not surprised though...
I see your sig. How can you support Ukraine in 1 war but you sympathize with Israel in another? Palestine is Ukraine. Israel is Russia
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ZaruenKosai
10/27/23 6:05:55 AM
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Chev427BB posted...
So you're saying Hamas isn't evil then, I've heard enough out of you...
II never said any such thing, you're putting words in my mouth because you are trying too had to shill for Israel.

Im on the side supporting innocent palestinians, that have nothing to do with hamas, you are on the side that supports ethnic cleansing and genocide

get the fuck out of here with your blind accusations and false attempts to discredit anyone that criticizes Israels atrocities and genocidal actions throughout this conflict.

I heard enough out of you too buddy.. you are a nasty lying shill.. if you cant have a civil conversation without accusing everyone of being a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer, than just fuck off and go play with your legos, the adults are talking right now.

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Foppe
10/27/23 6:08:12 AM
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Pointing out that Israel still do warcrimes makes you a Hamas shill.

I wanna know how low the bar goes, does anything above wanting all Palestinas to die make you a Hamas shill?

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DnDer
10/27/23 6:20:02 AM
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FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
The authors name is literally ANONYMOUS CONTRIBUTOR.

Get the fuck out of here.

Instead of sounding like a Netanyahu simp and immediately dismissing anything that sounds bad about Israel out of hand...

...you could always do the more rational and measured thing of vetting his overall source and linking to a credible site that's evaluated its bias.

Like so: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mondoweiss/

In review, Mondoweiss reports news and commentary on Israel, Palestine, and the United States with a strong pro-Palestinian bias and extremely negative toward the Israeli Government with stories such as this If Israel accuses Iran of doing something, Israel is likely already doing it. Another story, Yes Jewish Power party is fascistic, but its rise was inevitable is also very negative toward Israeli Jews. According to the ADL, they are considered a hate group that promotes antisemitism. Further, this site claims a holocaust inversion occurs, meaning that the Israelis are now committing a holocaust against the Palestinians. In general, some information is factual, and others are completely one-sided and misleading.

See? That wasn't so hard. The user's post is mostly discredited and I didn't have to stoop to the level you did in order to dismiss or debunk it.

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Nukazie
10/27/23 6:21:54 AM
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Ferarri619 posted...
900 US troops
https://youtu.be/rloNvQ0diwE?si=sRpYD8u6Ohfri0Rw

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Chev427BB
10/27/23 6:22:38 AM
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Zikten posted...
I see your sig. How can you support Ukraine in 1 war but you sympathize with Israel in another? Palestine is Ukraine. Israel is Russia
I sympathize with Israel because they just dealt with a massive terrorist attack and invasion and want to deal with the threat from Hamas once and for all so it won't happen again.

I sympathize with Ukraine because they're dealing with a massive terrorist attack and invasion and want to deal with the threat from Russia once and for all so it won't happen again.

Also, I don't like the fact that civilians die in any war, at all, but if Hamas is going to be building their tunnel complexes, rocket launch facilities and other military infrastructure in residential areas it's really difficult to avoid collateral damage.

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DnDer
10/27/23 6:23:27 AM
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Teddytalks posted...
Isreal blows up journalist families, or kill the journalist themselves. It would be suicide to out themselves if they are in the region. Anyway, time will validate these claims

I believe in anonymous sources as much as the next guy. They're really important when someone is paving entire neighborhoods of over a million innocent people over the actions of a few terrorists.

But that poster's source? Has zero credibility. Wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it.

If I'd seen the same anonymous report from, say, Reuters, I'd give it more time and weight, since they have journalistic credibility.

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ZaruenKosai
10/27/23 6:26:12 AM
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Chev427BB posted...
I sympathize with Israel because they just dealt with a massive terrorist attack and invasion and want to deal with the threat from Hamas once and for all so it won't happen again.
this conflict didnt start on october 7th shill, it has been going on long before hamas, israel has treaed palestinians like shit for years.

Before October 7th, Israel Security forces killed 248 Palestinians, including 40 children, just this year alone.

Some of Israels Past War Crimes Include

2009 - Operation Cast Lead
2012 - Operation Pillar of Defense
2014 - Operation Protective Edge

I know you're gonna say, Operation Cast Lead was because of Hamas firing rockets into Israel

That was because Israel broke the ceasfire agreement they had on November 4th 2008 while the entire world was in euphoria about United States Electing the worlds first black president.

Israel used the opportunity to break the ceasefire agreement and raid gaza and killed palestinians, by the Israelis Foreign Ministers own words at the time.

"The strategy of breaking the ceasefire was to preempt Hamas into an attack, which they could use as a pretext for a much larger invasion.

Baffling isn't it.

Back to 1967, when Israel started a premeptive attack against egypt, syria and jordan and took more land from palestine further enclosing palestinians into the gaza strip.

they illegally occupied the gaza strip and the west bank in what has been formally condemned ever since 1967 as an illegal occupation in violation of international law unilaterally condemned by the world court, the UN, Geneva Conventions and the Red Cross. Worldwide consensus, the majority of countries of the world all call on israel to return to its pre-june 1967 borders.

Back to 1948

In 1948 Zionists extirpated about a million Palestinians from their homes and forced them to relocate to the Gaza Strip, tody, about 70% of all Gazans are considered Refugees from the 1948 explusion.

yes this sparked a conflict., when you have colonial powers coming into a territory that does not belogn to them and forcibly removing people from their land. it tends to get complicated.

invoking the bible as an excuse to ethnically cleanse a population from its territory is a baby brained middle school argument

biblical rights have absolutely no status on the world of today. no one can say that 2000 years ago this is my story of what happened, therefore, I get to take the land from these people.

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DnDer
10/27/23 6:30:23 AM
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Chev427BB posted...
I sympathize with Israel because they just dealt with a massive terrorist attack and invasion and want to deal with the threat from Hamas once and for all so it won't happen again.

Open attempts at war crimes and genocide will... certainly achieve that goal. Can't be any hamas if all the palestinians are displaced or dead, after all.

Why are you defending such an overmatched reprisal? It's just revenge and bloodlust at this point; not even justice for the concert massacre.

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punkfanalways
10/27/23 6:30:47 AM
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ZaruenKosai posted...
this conflict didnt start on october 7th shill, it has been going on long before hamas, israel has treaed palestinians like shit for years.

Before October 7th, Israel Security forces killed 248 Palestinians, including 40 children, just this year alone.

Some of Israels Past War Crimes Include

2009 - Operation Cast Lead
2012 - Operation Pillar of Defense
2014 - Operation Protective Edge

I know you're gonna say, Operation Cast Lead was because of Hamas firing rockets into Israel

That was because Israel broke the ceasfire agreement they had on November 4th 2008 while the entire world was in euphoria about United States Electing the worlds first black president.

Israel used the opportunity to break the ceasefire agreement and raid gaza and killed palestinians, by the Israelis Foreign Ministers own words at the time.

"The strategy of breaking the ceasefire was to preempt Hamas into an attack, which they could use as a pretext for a much larger invasion.

Baffling isn't it.

Back to 1967, when Israel started a premeptive attack against egypt, syria and jordan and took more land from palestine further enclosing palestinians into the gaza strip.

they illegally occupied the gaza strip and the west bank in what has been formally condemned ever since 1967 as an illegal occupation in violation of international law unilaterally condemned by the world court, the UN, Geneva Conventions and the Red Cross. Worldwide consensus, the majority of countries of the world all call on israel to return to its pre-june 1967 borders.

Back to 1948

In 1948 Zionists extirpated about a million Palestinians from their homes and forced them to relocate to the Gaza Strip, tody, about 70% of all Gazans are considered Refugees from the 1948 explusion.

yes this sparked a conflict., when you have colonial powers coming into a territory that does not belogn to them and forcibly removing people from their land. it tends to get complicated.

invoking the bible as an excuse to ethnically cleanse a population from its territory is a baby brained middle school argument

biblical rights have absolutely no status on the world of today. no one can say that 2000 years ago this is my story of what happened, therefore, I get to take the land from these people.

Still cutting and pasting huh? Where exactly are you cutting and pasting from?
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IceCreamOnStero
10/27/23 6:37:05 AM
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Chev427BB posted...
it's really difficult to avoid collateral damage.

No it isn't. Israel know there are civillians at their targets and they know that striking those targets will result in killing tjose civillians.

Its extremely easy for Israel to avoid collateral damage, they just don't care to.


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Metroid_Food
10/27/23 6:50:52 AM
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DnDer posted...
Instead of sounding like a Netanyahu simp and immediately dismissing anything that sounds bad about Israel out of hand...

...you could always do the more rational and measured thing of vetting his overall source and linking to a credible site that's evaluated its bias.

Like so: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mondoweiss/

See? That wasn't so hard. The user's post is mostly discredited and I didn't have to stoop to the level you did in order to dismiss or debunk it.

I actually looked up the site before posting. It's biased, sure, but it doesn't change the fact that it's using israeli sources. Not only that, but see post 19:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80603885/976884070

That site's is listed as "mostly factual", which again, it still doesn't matter because these are literally israelis who were physically present during these attacks.
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Kaiganeer
10/27/23 6:50:56 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Its extremely easy for Israel to avoid collateral damage, they just don't care to
it's extremely easy for hamas to set their shit up in places where they don't endanger civilians so that only the terrorists get turned into red mist by artillery and rockets, they just don't care to
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Metroid_Food
10/27/23 6:52:41 AM
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Chev427BB posted...
Lots of Hamas sympathizers in here today, I'm honestly not surprised though...

Chev427BB posted...
Yeah, I'm not on the side of ********************** and massacre peaceful civilians at a music festival like you are. I'm such a shill...

It's so typical and cliched at this point, I wonder why you even try.
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Metroid_Food
10/27/23 6:53:32 AM
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Kaiganeer posted...
it's extremely easy for hamas to set their shit up in places where they don't endanger civilians so that only the terrorists get turned into red mist by artillery and rockets, they just don't care to

This is the age old justification israel uses to justify killing women and children because they are simply inconvenient to its settler colonialist enterprise, nothing more nothing less.
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ZaruenKosai
10/27/23 6:53:50 AM
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punkfanalways posted...
Still cutting and pasting huh? Where exactly are you cutting and pasting from?
My previous post, the last time I typed it out, I explained this to you many times. I have carpel tunnel and you keep harassing me about it... Are you going to make any actual counter points, or are you just here to harass me because so far, you never actually responded to anything, all you did was make shitty comments about my physical health.

Chev427BB posted...
Yeah, I'm not on the side of savages who behead babies and massacre peaceful civilians at a music festival like you are. I'm such a shill...
actually, technically you are, considering Israel has massacred peaceful civilians in their own homes, and killed thousands of innocent woman and children that had nothing to do with Hamas.

Although this is conjecture, it is pretty ovbvious the IDF killed many civilians themselves during the attack of the music festival in the crossfire.. So if that ends up being true, the hypocrsiy will be unmeasurable.

Chev427BB posted...
Also, I don't like the fact that civilians die in any war, at all, but if Hamas is going to be building their tunnel complexes, rocket launch facilities and other military infrastructure in residential areas it's really difficult to avoid collateral damage.
Israel is not even trying to minimalize or reduce casualties, they are targeting anything and everything, and just using Hamas as an excuse to cause wanton destruction

You seem to have no problems with Palestinian Civilians DIe, you just make up excuses as to why Israel is allowed to do so, but Hamas isnt,
FYI, neither side should be doing so, and collateral damage is not a valid excuse when you are murdering thousands of children.

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Metroid_Food
10/27/23 6:59:00 AM
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If anyone's interested in the Hasbara manual, you can find it here:

https://www.palestineposterproject.org/poster/hasbara-handbook-promoting-israel-on-campus

See how many strategies you can recognize being used on this forum.

In fact, see how many word for word copy/pastes you can find.
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Chev427BB
10/27/23 7:04:09 AM
#45:


ZaruenKosai posted...
this conflict didnt start on october 7th shill, it has been going on long before hamas, israel has treaed palestinians like shit for years.

Before October 7th, Israel Security forces killed 248 Palestinians, including 40 children, just this year alone.

Some of Israels Past War Crimes Include

2009 - Operation Cast Lead
2012 - Operation Pillar of Defense
2014 - Operation Protective Edge

I know you're gonna say, Operation Cast Lead was because of Hamas firing rockets into Israel

That was because Israel broke the ceasfire agreement they had on November 4th 2008 while the entire world was in euphoria about United States Electing the worlds first black president.

Israel used the opportunity to break the ceasefire agreement and raid gaza and killed palestinians, by the Israelis Foreign Ministers own words at the time.

"The strategy of breaking the ceasefire was to preempt Hamas into an attack, which they could use as a pretext for a much larger invasion.

Baffling isn't it.

Back to 1967, when Israel started a premeptive attack against egypt, syria and jordan and took more land from palestine further enclosing palestinians into the gaza strip.

they illegally occupied the gaza strip and the west bank in what has been formally condemned ever since 1967 as an illegal occupation in violation of international law unilaterally condemned by the world court, the UN, Geneva Conventions and the Red Cross. Worldwide consensus, the majority of countries of the world all call on israel to return to its pre-june 1967 borders.

Back to 1948

In 1948 Zionists extirpated about a million Palestinians from their homes and forced them to relocate to the Gaza Strip, tody, about 70% of all Gazans are considered Refugees from the 1948 explusion.

yes this sparked a conflict., when you have colonial powers coming into a territory that does not belogn to them and forcibly removing people from their land. it tends to get complicated.

invoking the bible as an excuse to ethnically cleanse a population from its territory is a baby brained middle school argument

biblical rights have absolutely no status on the world of today. no one can say that 2000 years ago this is my story of what happened, therefore, I get to take the land from these people.

Thanks for the history lesson

I know what led up to all this, I'm not arguing how or why this happened because I know all of that happened and I don't disagree with you that it happened. There's been plenty of violence and unrest from both sides that led up to this and I fully recognize that and agree that it happened.

I'm not saying all Palestinians are terrorists either, or that they deserve to die for the crimes of the minority that are Hamas members. I see what's going on in Gaza and it's truly awful, but I also see that all this bloodshed on both sides could've been avoided if Hamas was dealt with before they became as big of a threat as they are today.

Much of the humanitarian aid that's gone into Gaza over the years has been confiscated by Hamas in order to build up their military capabilities. Pipes meant to provide Palestinians in Gaza with clean water were ripped up by Hamas and used to build their rocket arsenal. By these actions and more, Hamas had made it very clear they're not interested in a peaceful solution.

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Metroid_Food
10/27/23 7:04:54 AM
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When israel murdered Christian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh then blamed Palestinians for it (wonder where I've seen that recently), they didn't think it enough. They just destroyed a monument dedicated to her in Jenin:

https://twitter.com/UbaiAboudi/status/1717827798662812058
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ZaruenKosai
10/27/23 7:12:35 AM
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Chev427BB posted...
Thanks for the history lesson

I know what led up to all this, I'm not arguing how or why this happened because I know all of that happened and I don't disagree with you that it happened. There's been plenty of violence and unrest from both sides that led up to this and I fully recognize that and agree that it happened.

I'm not saying all Palestinians are terrorists either, or that they deserve to die for the crimes of the minority that are Hamas members. I see what's going on in Gaza and it's truly awful, but I also see that all this bloodshed on both sides could've been avoided if Hamas was dealt with before they became as big of a threat as they are today.

Much of the humanitarian aid that's gone into Gaza over the years has been confiscated by Hamas in order to build up their military capabilities. Pipes meant to provide Palestinians in Gaza with clean water were ripped up by Hamas and used to build their rocket arsenal. By these actions and more, Hamas had made it very clear they're not interested in a peaceful solution.

Actually, Hamas in the past has been open to a two state solution, but it was shot down by Israel every time. Either way, Hamas is no longer trustworthy, they were voted in and betrayed their People, they 100% need to go. There have been offers and solutions of peace, and almost every time ,when it was so close to being a reality, Israel was the one to back out or do something to prevent the deal from going through (such as breaking a ceasefire.)

The innocent people of Palestine are the ones paying for the crimes of Hamas.. how is that fair? how is that acceptable.. They did not vote for Hamas.. At least not Hamas as it is, and the current population of Palestine is 40% children, the last time a proper election took place was over 15 years ago, most of which are probably dead by now, so those who live there now, dont share the same opinions of those from 15 years ago, and again, Hamas was not considered a terrorist organization when first voted in to power.

Israel does have to defeat Hamas, Israel does not need to massacre 100k+ civilians to do so, which if they go through with the ground assault, it will make the current casualty numbers look like bread crumbs. There are other methods that dont result in half of the homes in the gaza completely destroyed leaving 500k people homeless.

It's not like Palestinians can just leave even if they wanted to.. Not only are they poor, and with no food or water.. Israel has blockaded them and do not allow them to go anywhere without special permission from Israel, and they pretty much never give them out. They are essentially kept prisoner there unable to leave even if they wanted to. (I will admit, I am sure many of them dont want to leave, it is their home. If some foreign army came to my house and said I had to leave because they wanted to bomb the neighborhood and refuse to even give me money to live somewhere else.. I would be pretty devastated.

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punkfanalways
10/27/23 7:19:46 AM
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ZaruenKosai posted...
My previous post, the last time I typed it out, I explained this to you many times. I have carpel tunnel and you keep harassing me about it... Are you going to make any actual counter points, or are you just here to harass me because so far, you never actually responded to anything, all you did was make shitty comments about my physical health.

What the hell are you on about?

Ive never made shitty comments about [your] physical health.

Please provide links to said posts or dont bring it up again.

In the case of your CnP posts. I bring it up because a lot of the time the stuff you write is a complete non-sequitur to the posts you are quoting.
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Metroid_Food
10/27/23 7:21:32 AM
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More testimony on how israel shot tank shells and missiles at targets which included captives, israeli civilians:

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

The source is far left, but it doesn't matter since it includes valid testimonies from people who were there.
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