Current Events > Ukraine War Topic Part VIII

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https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1673989432318259201

As it turns out, Prigozhins initial plan was to capture Russian Military Leaders such as Shoigu. His plan got leaked to Western Agencies which Prigozhin became aware of. That forced Prigozhin to rush his plan more haphazardly and the FSB caught wind of it two days before his rushed plan was executed.
https://apple.news/AaNvLNmIuQ_SK8GM6KCnjQQ
https://www.wsj.com/articles/wagners-prigozhin-planned-to-capture-russian-military-leaders-805345cf

Kidnapping (and likely sledgehammering) Shoigu would have turned out much worse for Prigo. Wagner would have officially become a terrorist organization then.

Would have worked out much better for the rest of the world though

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Would have worked out much better for the rest of the world though

What, with nukes potentially in the hands of a PMC? No thank you.

Zel pushing for medical marijuana. Based as always.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1674026225407344640?s=20

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Would have worked out much better for the rest of the world though

Warner as an "actual" terrorist organization would be catastrophic.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Warner as an "actual" terrorist organization would be catastrophic.

Wagner*
And how would that be catastrophic?

But Russia would have been the ones fighting them

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1674102629012471818

Questionmarktarius posted...

Warner as an "actual" terrorist organization would be catastrophic.

Come join the Warner Brothers
and the Warner Sister Dot
Just for fun we point our guns
Towards Moscow quite a lot
They lock us in Belarus
Whenever we get caught
But we break free
And plan with glee
Another coup d'etat!

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Wagner*
And how would that be catastrophic?

Popping off Shoigu would be a moral event-horizon that means there's need to even pretend to behave anymore. A "rogue" military outfit under the plausibly-deniable control of Putin would be dangerous as fuck, and one that pops off Putin would be even more so.

(also Warner as a terrorist group would be scary as fuck, too)

Questionmarktarius posted...

Popping off Shoigu would be a moral event-horizon that means there's need to even pretend to behave anymore. A "rogue" military outfit under the plausibly-deniable control of Putin would be dangerous as fuck, and one that pops off Putin would be even more so.

So you're just talking out of your ass.
They've already been butchering their way across Africa and the middle east. There's no "unleashed" version of Wagner.
Kill them. That's the point. Kill them wherever they operate because it's no better than AQ, BH, ISIS, etc. This would give US interest friendly countries the international legal protection and the plausibly deniability to tell Putin if he has a problem with it, to fuck himself. Because he ain't doing shit.

This would be unleashing legitimate militaries, not the Wagner group.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14l2pa2/strikes_on_chonhar_bridges_significantly/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14lbk2s/a_group_of_russian_mobilised_soldiers_taken_into/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14lfbmt/ukraine_says_it_caught_a_sleeper_agent_who_sent/

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

So you're just talking out of your ass.

well... yeah

Sweden tried to classify Wagner as terrorists in EU, but that didnt work so well.

Prigo did have guys on the inside, huh?

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The claim that he's been arrested comes from the Moscow Times, citing sources in the Russian Ministry of Defense

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/28/russian-general-arrested-following-wagner-mutiny-mt-russian-a81685

A good ol' Russian party purge never stops with just one guy. All that's changed is Russia no longer attempts to pretend that guy never existed.

when the oligarchs tire of putin he will be in trouble. there are always guys in the government/military willing to betray their masters if they think they can get more power and money. putin has no choice but to try and crush any internal dissent before they replace him. it didn't happen this time but his power is obviously marginalized

Questionmarktarius posted...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/27/deadly-russian-missile-strike-on-busy-pizza-restaurant-in-kramatorsk
I doubt this is coincidence.

No wait, they gave a different reason for it claiming military linked.
https://wanjigihub.com/we-hit-only-military-linked-targets-russia-clarifies-after-strike-on-restaurant-kills-at-least-10

Humble_Novice posted...

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1674102629012471818

If true, then damn. He was seen as one of the more competent commanders on Russias side.
https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1674146869621014529
https://twitter.com/Jessewemustcook/status/1674130599966064640

True, he had some failures with certain ones being miserable but Wagner did too with them battling against the United States and Syrian Democratic Forces was a clown show on Wagners part. Wagner is or was seen as one of the most or if not the most competent force on Russias side.
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html
https://coffeeordie.com/wagner-group-syria-khasham

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/7/8/AAdZpjAAEnKS.jpg

That worked great for Stalin didn't it?

It kept him in power although it severely degraded the military might of the Soviet Union ahead of World War II.

Excellent progress made in 3 separate areas yesterday

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/29/7409037/

Jordan_AS posted...

It kept him in power although it severely degraded the military might of the Soviet Union ahead of World War II.

this. his paranoid military purges eliminated the effective officers that the original communist purges didn't. pre ww2 soviet union should have been a military behemoth, but the usual problems with russian purges and corruption made it highly incompetent along with putin not believing any of his spies or officials that the nazis were planning an invasion. it almost turned out disastrous if not for the fact that hitler was a moron who underestimated how difficult it would be to have supply lines stretched that thin over vast areas and how the russians could just move production and giant populations as areas fell. the russians got it together after about a year of getting annihilated, but that was a combination of nazi incompetence and stalin finally listening to his generals

andel posted...

the russians got it together after about a year of getting annihilated, but that was a combination of nazi incompetence and stalin finally listening to his generals

That and the fact Hitler had other fronts to worry about

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Maybe the FSB or the FSO nabbed him. Or he snuck away during the chaos of Prigo and Wagners attack on Russia.

Mobiks are back to getting wiped in droves in Ukraine.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/29/7409133/

https://www.rferl.org/a/kazakhstan-russia-extradition-united-states/32480996.html

Kazakh Deputy Prosecutor-General Ulan Baizhanov has confirmed that Kazakh authorities have detained Russian IT expert Nikita Kislitsin at the request of the United States.

Baizhanov said on June 29 that Kazakh authorities had also received a request from Russian officials to extradite the senior executive at F.A.C.C.T. (formerly Group-IB) company, one of Russias top cybersecurity firms.

Baizhanov explained that Astana will now request detailed information about the case against Kislitsin from the United States.

"We will analyze if the allegations are, in fact, a crime, after which we will decide on extradition. The process may last longer, if [Kislitsin] officially asks Kazakhstan for asylum," Baizhanov said.

Speaking about Moscow's request to extradite Kislitsin to Russia, Baizhanov said, "[Russian officials] must prove that he violated a law there. If [Kislitsin], as a Russian citizen, expresses his intention to return there, then a corresponding decision will be made with taking all the details into account."
Kislitsin, a senior executive at one of Russias top cybersecurity firms, was detained after he landed in Almaty on June 22, Russian media reported.

The United States has accused Kislitsin of buying personal data obtained through the 2012 hack of Formspring, a now-defunct social media site that allowed users to receive answers to questions.

Russia has protested the detention, calling on Kazakhstan not to carry out the U.S. request.

A top Russian diplomat in Kazakhstan, Consul-General Yevgeny Bobrov, was quoted in Russian media reports on June 28 as saying that the diplomatic mission had sent a note to the Central Asian nation's Foreign Ministry, urging it not to move quickly on the extradition.

Bobrov's note included requests to give full details of Kislitsins detainment on June 22, provide Russian diplomats access to Kislitsin, and not to extradite the Russian citizen to the United States in an expedited manner, TASS and RIA Novosti news agencies said.

In the meantime, Russia filed its own extradition request after suddenly filing criminal case against Kislitsen. The Tver district court in Moscow said it issued an arrest warrant for Kislitsin in connection with an investigation into illegal access to computer data in Russia, adding that a legal request will be sent to Kazakhstan to extradite Kislitsin to Russia.

The case is the latest in a long series of court battles between Washington and Moscow for alleged Russian hackers detained at the request of the United States in third countries.

The United States has over the past decade successfully extradited dozens of Russian citizens charged with cybercrimes from third countries, especially Western nations, leading Moscow to accuse Washington of hunting Russians.

The extradition of Kislitsen could be tougher than other cases because of Russias close ties with -- and influence over -- neighboring Kazakhstan, a former Soviet state.

If Kazakhstan wants to be prudent, it may delay the extradition to see how things shake out in Russia, William Courtney, the former U.S. ambassador to Kazakhstan from 1992-95 and an analyst at the Washington-based think tank Rand Corp, told RFE/RL. Kazakhstan has to manage their risks.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Zel pushing for medical marijuana. Based as always.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1674026225407344640?s=20

cant blame the guy for wanting to smoke a J after all this

Kyrylo Budanov, the head of Ukrainian military intelligence, claims that Wagner no longer will fight in Ukraine.
https://www.politico.eu/article/wagner-group-off-battlefield-ukraine-military-spy-chief-kyrylo-budanov/amp/

Seeing as Wagner were the only ones getting anything done, Russia's "special operation" is pretty much fucked.

Here come the purges, right on cue: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/ukraine/2023/06/29/ukraine-russia-war-live-updates/70367867007/

A prominent pro-Kremlin military blogger says that the insurgency has prompted large-scale purges within the military leadership and that the Defense Ministry was conducting a loyalty crash test." Mikhail Zvinchuk said on his popular Telegram channel Rybar that one litmus test that can now spell doom for officers is support for private military companies such as the Wagner Group.

Some rather juicy news.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14m8xrx/ukrainian_marines_wiped_out_group_of_russian/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14mc3tg/military_intelligence_war_between_fsb_and_russian/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14m33q8/ukrainian_soldier_says_several_russian_snipers/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14lxu7f/ukrainian_forces_advance_1300_metres_on_berdiansk/

That's a big boom

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14mfyqw/ukrainian_armed_forces_hit_russian_command_post/

Which do you think will happen first? Someone takes out Putin, or Putin orders a nuclear strike?

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MANPADS is way more awesome than the name suggests.

More interesting news.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14mx8xb/military_intelligence_russian_occupation_forces/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14mtlcy/ukrainian_defence_intelligence_russians_gradually/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14n5fls/russian_instability_sends_ruble_tumbling/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14mxg3e/ukrainian_armed_forces_launch_a_missile_attack_on/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14n1hf1/eu_leaders_backed_plan_to_use_russian_frozen/

Humble_Novice posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14mx8xb/military_intelligence_russian_occupation_forces/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14mtlcy/ukrainian_defence_intelligence_russians_gradually/

Yup, they're gonna blow it up.

...and we have a purge

https://www.rferl.org/a/all-the-kremlins-men-russian-officials-drop-out-of-sight-post-mutiny/32484195.html

Questionmarktarius posted...

Yup, they're gonna blow it up.

No they're not.

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Deleted or something, what did it say?

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Deleted or something, what did it say?

I can't read the full thing due to being rate limited.

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Deleted or something, what did it say?

Finally saw the tweet.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/5/AAPVm4AAEnsT.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/6/AAPVm4AAEnsU.jpg