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10/07/23 8:01:17 AM
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SiO4
10/07/23 10:19:47 AM
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This situation has been so out of hand for so long.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67037895

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Foppe
10/07/23 10:25:16 AM
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The hate is so deep so the only way to stop it is to kill them all.

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FunWithAFryPan
10/07/23 10:27:22 AM
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Foppe posted...
The hate is so deep so the only way to stop it is to kill them all.
Yeah that will stop people from hating each other.

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SiO4
10/07/23 10:32:41 AM
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This could get out of hand real quick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlboE5r1jjQ

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Necronmon
10/07/23 10:32:45 AM
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The hate is so deep so the only way to stop it is to kill them all.

Yah acting like this is not helpful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUYZotTQr3E
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Tyranthraxus
10/07/23 10:32:57 AM
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FunWithAFryPan posted...
Yeah that will stop people from hating each other.

Regardless, eventually one side will kill all the others. I think there's a word for that... Geology? Generic? Glasgow?

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DnDer
10/07/23 10:34:01 AM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...
Genocide is funny >_>

/s

Should we be more worried if he's making a joke or if he's being serious?

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IceCreamOnStero
10/07/23 10:39:36 AM
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I don't see a peaceful conclusion to this ever.

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DnDer
10/07/23 10:43:06 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
I don't see a peaceful conclusion to this ever.

Three state solution?

Israel and Palestine get objective, irrevocable borders and have to suck it up. Jerusalem becomes an independent city-state like the Vatican, except run by... anyone but religious people, and is basically open only for tourism.

Nobody gets anything except an apportionment of land, and the land no one wants to agree on... no one gets at all.

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Tyranthraxus
10/07/23 10:45:30 AM
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DnDer posted...
Three state solution?

Israel and Palestine get objective, irrevocable borders and have to suck it up. Jerusalem becomes an independent city-state like the Vatican, except run by... anyone but religious people, and is basically open only for tourism.

Nobody gets anything except an apportionment of land, and the land no one wants to agree on... no one gets at all.

No one will agree to any multiple state solution. These solutions look good on paper and make sense to white bureaucrats in other countries. They make logical sense even, and have a merit of efficiency, but no one will agree to them unless you can get the Vulcans to land and mind meld the emotions out of everyone in that area.

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DnDer
10/07/23 10:53:07 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
unless you can get the Vulcans to land and mind meld the emotions out of everyone in that area

39 years, 5 months, 29 days

Just have to hold on for 39 years, 5 months, 29 days...

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IceCreamOnStero
10/07/23 10:59:36 AM
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DnDer posted...
Three state solution?

Israel and Palestine get objective, irrevocable borders and have to suck it up. Jerusalem becomes an independent city-state like the Vatican, except run by... anyone but religious people, and is basically open only for tourism.

Nobody gets anything except an apportionment of land, and the land no one wants to agree on... no one gets at all.

Its so much more than a border dispute at this point. A border agreement can't mend the raging hatred between Hamas and Israel. Idk if anything can.

And that's before you even get into the logistics. A three state solution would require direct and strong military enforcement, and no country is that dedicated to peace

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SiO4
10/07/23 11:19:11 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
The only way I can see this ever ending without one side being outright decimated is the relocation of either Palestinians or Israel, which will never be agreed.


I feel like when this was set up, they knew that this was going to happen.

I am not Antisemitic by any means, but I am not a Zionist.
Turning Palestine into a Ghetto was not a solution to European antisemitism.

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SpiritSephiroth
10/07/23 11:20:06 AM
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DnDer posted...
Should we be more worried if he's making a joke or if he's being serious?

Deleted my post since I'm not sure if he was trying to be funny or not. But him being serious is actually worse >_>

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SiO4
10/07/23 12:30:04 PM
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The sound of Artillery.

Why are humans so self-defeating?
At this rate, we will never live as long as the dinosaurs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyUvXNnIlmA

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SpiritSephiroth
10/07/23 12:31:59 PM
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Reading tweets wishing for mass genocide, its kinda disgusting how people just wish to wipe out a whole race on either side whenever shit hits the fan.


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Antifar
10/07/23 12:35:36 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No one will agree to any multiple state solution. These solutions look good on paper and make sense to white bureaucrats in other countries. They make logical sense even, and have a merit of efficiency, but no one will agree to them unless you can get the Vulcans to land and mind meld the emotions out of everyone in that area.
Also, at this point, what does that second state even look like?

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SiO4
10/07/23 12:40:02 PM
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Antifar posted...

Also, at this point, what does that second state even look like?


New Jersey.
Israel subdivided the shit out of Palestine to the point they can't even function.

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Tyranthraxus
10/07/23 1:10:14 PM
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Antifar posted...
Also, at this point, what does that second state even look like?
A tiny ass strip of beach and a separated walled off city state miles away. Oh and you're not allowed to go from one to the other.

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SiO4
10/07/23 3:10:32 PM
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Never live in a building with transmission antennas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5OhTspt0g8

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Necronmon
10/07/23 11:22:35 PM
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Its so much more than a border dispute at this point. A border agreement can't mend the raging hatred between Hamas and Israel. Idk if anything can.

And that's before you even get into the logistics. A three state solution would require direct and strong military enforcement, and no country is that dedicated to peace.

The only way I can see this ever ending without one side being outright decimated is the relocation of either Palestinians or Israel, which will never be agreed.

Most of these nations only have peace when a bigger power points a gun to there head sadly.
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FlyEaglesFly24
10/07/23 11:46:43 PM
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DnDer posted...
Three state solution?

Israel and Palestine get objective, irrevocable borders and have to suck it up. Jerusalem becomes an independent city-state like the Vatican, except run by... anyone but religious people, and is basically open only for tourism.

Nobody gets anything except an apportionment of land, and the land no one wants to agree on... no one gets at all.

Asking Muslim extremists to give up their claim to Al Aqsa is a no go. Its a theological position that Muslim holy sites need to be under the governance of Muslims. And its not like the Israeli right is going to give up its claim to the Kotel.

You dont really understand the conflict if you dont get that.

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DnDer
10/08/23 12:19:52 AM
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FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Asking Muslim extremists to give up their claim to Al Aqsa is a no go. Its a theological position that Muslim holy sites need to be under the governance of Muslims. And its not like the Israeli right is going to give up its claim to the Kotel.

You dont really understand the conflict if you dont get that.

You missed the point of, "If you can't share, it'll be taken from you, and no one gets it."

And it's obvious they can't share.

So, as unrealistic, hyperbolic, and Solomonic as my suggestion is, making places like Al-Aqsa and Kotel places that are, say, guarded under a UN historic preservation and trust that no one gets access to as it's now an independent nation-state, seems to be about the only solution left.

I get the conflict. I get that no one wants to give up their rights, and they'll both fight forever to have their stuff.

How would you propose peace, if not by outright removing the reasons they're fighting from the equation?

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DarkChozoGhost
10/08/23 12:26:59 AM
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Clearly the solution is to build two identical down to the last grain of sand duplicates on manmade islands on opposite sides of the world, move everyone to said duplicates, then completely annihilate the original

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DnDer
10/08/23 12:42:28 AM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Clearly the solution is to build two identical down to the last grain of sand duplicates on manmade islands on opposite sides of the world, move everyone to said duplicates, then completely annihilate the original

Transporter technology is going to save the human race, as soon as we can perfect it.

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Tyranthraxus
10/08/23 12:48:12 AM
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DnDer posted...
How would you propose peace

The first step would be to internationally recognize the country of Palestine and bring them into the UN.

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Necronmon
10/08/23 12:53:04 AM
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The first step would be to internationally recognize the country of Palestine and bring them into the UN.

After this there's no way in hell they are getting into the UN anytime soon.
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TonyKojima
10/08/23 12:56:34 AM
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Clayguida...wow not a good look.

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Tyranthraxus
10/08/23 12:58:03 AM
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Necronmon posted...
After this there's no way in hell they are getting into the UN anytime soon.

Why not? The UN doesn't have any strict requirements to attend. Basically you just have to be a country.

Literally fucking North Korea is in the UN. And though they don't always send a diplomat, they did this year.


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Zikten
10/08/23 1:01:57 AM
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The world needs to make both cultures stop fighting, through force. Demand they knock it off. Cut off support to both, if they refuse

Maybe surround Palestine and Israel in a quarantine zone. No entry no leaving. Till they sort this shit out
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Tyranthraxus
10/08/23 1:04:07 AM
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Zikten posted...
The world needs to make both cultures stop fighting, through force. Demand they knock it off. Cut off support to both, if they refuse

Maybe surround Palestine and Israel in a quarantine zone. No entry no leaving. Till they sort this shit out
I'll file this one in the psycho folder next to "nuke the whole area till no one is left alive"

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Zikten
10/08/23 1:12:56 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I'll file this one in the psycho folder next to "nuke the whole area till no one is left alive"
Those 2 are very different scenarios

But I guess the only way this will ever stop, without force, is if all religions fuck off and die
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Necronmon
10/08/23 1:14:19 AM
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The world needs to make both cultures stop fighting, through force. Demand they knock it off. Cut off support to both, if they refuse

Maybe surround Palestine and Israel in a quarantine zone. No entry no leaving. Till they sort this s*** out

Unless we are going to divert enough resources to create machines that can intervene like this that's not going to happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK6FqNQ2Rjc
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SiO4
10/08/23 1:14:49 AM
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Necronmon posted...

After this there's no way in hell they are getting into the UN anytime soon.


If Ukraine can't then there is no way Palestine will.

The War to End All Wars was over 100 hundred years ago, and we haven't learned much.

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Tyranthraxus
10/08/23 1:16:57 AM
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Zikten posted...
Those 2 are very different scenarios

But I guess the only way this will ever stop, without force, is if all religions fuck off and die
Jews, Muslims, and Christians lived peacefully in that area for a thousand years. The fighting only got started recently within the last 100 years. The problem isn't really religion and never was.

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DnDer
10/08/23 1:17:22 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Why not? The UN doesn't have any strict requirements to attend. Basically you just have to be a country.

Literally fucking North Korea is in the UN. And though they don't always send a diplomat, they did this year.

A reasonable point.

They're already a non-member observer state with a decade-plus since their last vote on admission into the UN.

If Russia and Israel get to stay on... there's zero harm in giving Palestine a chair.

It gives them a venue for grievances and redress they don't currently have. And that venue could also be a first path to peace, since everyone involved will be working within the same mediating body.

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ThyCorndog
10/08/23 1:18:04 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Jews, Muslims, and Christians lived peacefully in that area for a thousand years. The fighting only got started recently within the last 100 years. The problem isn't really religion and never was.
yeah. this keeps getting ignored and idk why

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Tyranthraxus
10/08/23 1:18:44 AM
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SiO4 posted...
If Ukraine can't then there is no way Palestine will.

What??? Zelenskyy was literally at the UN himself this year and Ukraine been a consistent voting member pretty much ever since the USSR collapsed.

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ThyCorndog
10/08/23 1:22:12 AM
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SiO4 posted...
If Ukraine can't then there is no way Palestine will.

The War to End All Wars was over 100 hundred years ago, and we haven't learned much.
you must be thinking of the EU, which is a very different entity from the UN

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Flauros
10/08/23 1:23:05 AM
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Back at it?

Have they ever not been at it?

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TonyKojima
10/08/23 1:26:17 AM
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Looks like Israel is preparing a massive ground invasion.

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SiO4
10/08/23 1:27:28 AM
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ThyCorndog posted...

yeah. this keeps getting ignored and idk why


Agreed.

Tyranthraxus posted...


What??? Zelenskyy was literally at the UN himself this year and Ukraine been a consistent voting member pretty much ever since the USSR collapsed.


I watched that like and posted a link here.
But I did misspoke and I will own that, I meant Nato.

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UnfairRepresent
10/08/23 8:01:42 AM
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ThyCorndog posted...
yeah. this keeps getting ignored and idk why
You cannot just handwave Religion. Don't be absurd

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lilORANG
10/08/23 8:28:10 AM
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This is why atheism is good, folks

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IceCreamOnStero
10/08/23 8:28:13 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Jews, Muslims, and Christians lived peacefully in that area for a thousand years. The fighting only got started recently within the last 100 years. The problem isn't really religion and never was.
If Israel didn't have a made up book telling them they have a god given right to the land there'd be the very easy solution of telling them to fuck off and stop trying to colonise the land.

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Cheater87
10/08/23 8:57:37 AM
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Hezbollah has joined in I am reading.

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Chev427BB
10/08/23 10:41:10 AM
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Israel has formally declared war on Hamas

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-gaza-attack-10-08-23#h_ab82e86a3ee54772589cce034430b017

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Tyranthraxus
10/08/23 11:01:32 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
If Israel didn't have a made up book telling them they have a god given right to the land there'd be the very easy solution of telling them to fuck off and stop trying to colonise the land.
There's no reason we couldn't tell Zionists to fuck off 100 years ago. We just didn't.

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10/08/23 11:27:44 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
There's no reason we couldn't tell Zionists to fuck off 100 years ago. We just didn't.
The reasonis the same as it is now, its a no-no to say no to delusional religious demands.

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