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Beat it just now. Took about five hours of clicking around according to Steam, but I was clicking on a lot of things (though not EVERYTHING).

It was....good? My expectations were super low but I guess it managed to exceed them despite having a bunch of typos and quite a few bugs! But it was cute and made me laugh, and I guess that's all I really needed from it.

Also Jude's segments were great. too bad we probably won't see more of him for 4 more acts if they even make it that far
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UltimaterializerX posted...

I read it, but guides don't compare to live play and I value your opinion more than his.

Maybe then you can watch live play of the person who created and streams the deck for hours
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I chose the Steam key for convenience but it's not actually unlocked yet. But hey, what's another half-hour? I've been waiting five years! Ha.....
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tcaz2 posted...

True despair is having taste poor enough to like Mikan

Same tbqh
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KokoroAkechi posted...

WHere are teh changes?

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/hearthstone/topic/20759046395

9/18
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I'm not really conviced that letting Lyra live is ever a good play unless you know your opponent is dumb and will overdraw and/or their hand is full of bad spells.

And even then I dunno.

Or I guess if ignoring it sets up a resaonable lethal
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I'm surprised he hadn't done this already considering his whole deal seems to be lifted from /b/-style ironic edgy shitposting. I guess he just drew the line at screaming rape and Nazi jokes.

I'm almost upset that it's apparently making news! That's almost assuredly what he wants.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

The problem I have with netdecking is entirely that people did not think of the deck themselves. If people came up with that deck of their own accord then great. If they are simply copying a netdeck because they know it's what works in the meta then that is what I dislike.

Creating a deck should be part of the competition. If someone is better at making decks that others, that should count for something. Netdecking might increase the skill level of play in matches but it removes the skill of creating a deck entirely.

This is a good thing. It allows more people to compete at high levels. Most people are NOT skilled deckbuilders, or don't have the time to do it. Skilled deckbuilding can be rewarded by tech choices or brews meant to counter the meta. You can take people by surprise with a unique list, too. I got blown up by a Hobgoblin Druid twice on Wild ladder last week because I had no idea what to do.
Netdecking to allow more people to compete to shape a meta that inspires people to build decks to counter is very healthy for the game.
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MariaTaylor posted...

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Still I guess my main point is that variance is going to be a real contributing factor .

yes but there is a line between "this game has variance" and "this game has TOO MUCH" variance. the complaint is that Hearthstone is currently on the wrong side of the line. so saying "all games will have variance" is not a valid response or one that even contributes to the discussion. if you think the amount of variance in the hearthstone arena draft is currently NOT too much then feel free to state why.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I don't really play hearthstone arena much but that's a major factor as to why.

... or not.

I'm not really interested in arena so i cant say.
All I can say is that if high tier streamers and players are having consistent success, it shows skill is involved. Maybe Blizzard likes having higher variance to make less skilled players feel like they have a chance. I dunno, and I don't even know if THEY know what they want. My opinion on hearthstone arena is always gonna be that it's bad because the sets aren't designed for it. I was gonna suggest you play a game like MTG or Eternal where the sets actually are. I was just also confused because the things you were complaining about seem baked-in to the format, and some of those things like sometimes you just play a deck that's way better, or sometimes the other guy has better cards, is just going to happen even in those games.

I don't really want to argue about arena balance with you. It's clear you don't either. I just don't know why you continue to get frustrated about it then become more frustrated when people make comments about your posts. So I recommend you chill out and try a different card game!
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trdl23 posted...

As a guy whose best MTG format is draft -- no, not at all. The vast majority of your games are won on your common and uncommons, especially since most Wizards puts ways to kill the big bombs at lower rarities. Some of my best decks 3-0'd without a single rare, even (especially) in super competitive play. As Ulti says, the rarity of cards in each pack is also 100% controlled; the only variable is if you get a foil card in your pack, and that will still likely be a combat.

Yeah my last period I was super invested in draft was FRF/KTK, which I was told had a problem with bombs. Still I guess my main point is that variance is going to be a real contributing factor . I'm not great at draft but I've sat down with better players than me who have complained about there being too much of x common or not enough y common, or this one color was craaaazy . The amount of removal present in the pool makes bombs better or worse for the whole pod. However, in Magic you can mitigate this by being skilled at the actual drafting, and as you said the actual rarities are controlled except for foils. I guess Sealed is a better comparison to Arena since it comes down purely to what you open and your deckbuilding skills. Even that's miles ahead of Hearthstone, but still has major variance.

I'm got sidetracked. My point is I've always seen variance as a defining characteristic of the Limited experience. I've seen both good local players and pros scrub out of tournaments because draft went poorly (they're still going to win more often, though). Seems to me like that's intended? I don't really play hearthstone arena much but that's a major factor as to why.
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Isn't the point of draft modes that they're higher variance? Even MTG draft has this specific problem you're talking about, and MTG draft is more "fair" considering there's a shared card pool and actual strategy involved during drafting. The rate of higher-rarity cards is considerably lower, but if someone opens a bomb rare or mythic and the rest of their deck isn't trash, oh well, you'll probably lose to it.
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I think I'd say Undertale > Hotline Miami > FTL.
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http://imgur.com/a/z3mk5

Tired of Standard? Come to Wild, where you too can lose to Renounce Darkness Warlock with Confuse lethal while at 32 HP!
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came in here for hearthstone shitposting, wasn't disappointed
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Oh okay, I get you now. From that first post it just seemed like you think it shouldn't have been an issue at all. Which...is silly from a game design perspective. The point was it's a bunch of smaller things adding up. But the focus on just how easy it is to understand was completely overblown.
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Like the only bad part is they accidentally made it sound like that was the deciding factor (even though that interpretation goes against context in the rest of the post). And now he's cleared that up.
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bng_mmmk posted...

It shouldn't even be a minor point.

Are you just trying to get mad for no reason at this point? He says that the other change wouldn't have accomplished their goals and elaborates that not only was the mana increase better, but it made slightly more sense and would be easier to remember.

He then says he wishes he didn't share that minor game design info with the playerbase. Seeing the community reaction literally made him want to be less transparent. This is probably exactly why they haven't talked much in the past.
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Big "Naked "Punished "Venom" Snake" Snake" Boss
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I mean they also said a lot of other things in the writeup so it's not their fault people focused on misinterpreting one line of it
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you guys

it's Punished "Venom" Snake
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https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/6yo01c/ben_brode_responds_to_the_hearthstone_thinks_fans/dmozrwd/

Here's a good post by Ben Brode on the War Axe change that I hope doesn't get buried on reddit

Just going to reiterate - this is still a minor thing. If we felt like (2) 2/2 was going to be more successful at reaching our goals, we would have done it. But in a world where we have several reasonable options, you have to make a decision, and this is a minor point in favor of a change that doesn't mess as much with players who have memorized their cards to that degree.

I know this won't make the "disruptive" and "Blizzard thinks players are stupid" memes won't end but I can at least dream.
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HEH. Greetings.
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XIII_rocks posted...

This is the only time ever that we see Ocelot acting like himself

yeah, imagine how depressed you would be if you had to babysit some random jerk pretending to be your mancrush while knowing the real one was off being a badass without you
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Well I don't use my brainpower to try to call the game's goofy plot, aside from the "puzzle" of the language parasite. I was surprised by the Venom Snake thing too. That's still not a good twist, but maybe it's a matter of expectation.

I don't know if I'd call Huey a good character, he's basically just an "evil" Otacon to mirror the "evil" Snake, but he still manages to be one of the most interesting in the cast! At the very least he's fun to hate on so I think he's used well enough.
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I agree with everything except

SantaRPidgey posted...

I wasn't really on board with making huey a lunatic who killed his wife for no reason (it basically was no reason, I listened to all the cassettes)

Huey's entire personality in Peace Walker was just a watered-down Otacon, which felt really stupid (especially when you already had Strangelove for the tech person in that game). So I actually like that they made him a spectacular piece of shit. At the very least, it was interesting.
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Greet at the start, greet when I heal their face turn 2, use Wow often but responsibly, occasionally remember to say well played at the end, and anything goes if I change my hero.
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MariaTaylor posted...

https://hsreplay.net/articles/28/deep-dive-into-spreading-plague

Spreading plague absorbs 2x more damage than spikeridge steed at 1 mana cheaper. Proposed solution is to make Spreading Plague summon 1/2 taunt scarabs.

Stolen directly from reddit

Steed also does like 3x the damage of Plague. It's also including buffs, which probably isn't that relevant but feels like a mistake? I don't think it's that fair a comparison; the card is meant to be more defensive. Steed is both defense and offensive.

But no matter if the effect is overtuned or not, I don't think this should have been something for Druid to have access to.
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If I expect to get average value for my 10-drops, or have to build my whole deck around it, why the hell would I play a deck that tries to play 10-drops? Faceless Behemoth no thanks.
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I would rather have Innervate moved to HoF, but I guess this is fine too. I don't think it'll see play at all anymore. 1 mana is an astronomically huge deal. Plague is also a good nerf. Those are the two cards I wanted to see hit most. Jade Idol is potentially a problem, but I dunno. I wouldn't underestimate how much worse druid decks can get without Innervate. And if midrange can kill Jade a turn faster then maybe it's not an issue.

War Axe was too strong but I don't think there was anything to be done about it. I think you had to leave it alone and nerf some other part of the pirate deck (upgrade, reaper, patches?).

Similarly, Hex is a bad change because removal in Hearthstone is really bad. I'm not even sure what class is supposed to have good removal anymore. Mage? Rogue???

Warleader just feels bad. I'd rather they change how buffs "restore" health and change the stupid Finja interaction. Will still be fine in aggressive murloc decks I guess.
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FFDragon posted...

For someone who basically set the entire show in motion and then kept keeping it in motion, I did expect more from Littlefinger besides being half-handedly discarded.

but white walkers trump politics I guess

I mean of course this is the case. A major theme of the series is that despite how entertaining it is, the game of thrones is petty and pointless bullshit. It doesnt matter to the common people who get trashed no matter who wins, and it doesnt matter when big magic stuff goes down. That's why they call it a game!
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KNACK 2 BAYBEE

but seriously how does knack 2 have any votes
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Jade Druid is great I love summoning a large man that allows me to summon an EVEN LARGER man
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until blizzard removes every jade card from the game, the lust for blood will never be sated
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foolm0r0n posted...

To be fair having a convenient horn that solves every impossible problem is also dumb writing

Unless there's like 1000s of horns, for taking better shits and growing corn slightly faster or whatever, and a couple just happen to kill dragons and giant magical walls

They're probably the same damn horn. Having the wall being destroyed by a dragon in the show might mean it's supposed to happen in the books, too, except the show had to come up with a radically different way for it to happen.

They say shit like "no mortal man will sound this horn and live" so knowing what we know now it seems like foreshadowing of the White Walkers getting the horn and stealing a dragon to smash open the wall.
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Nanis23 posted...

So how does it feel to forever not know what was the original plan for the White Walkers to take down the wall?
How does it feel to think that maybe if they didn't go behind the wall to give them a free dragon, they had nothing to fear from at the first place?

This is why the books allude to a magic horn that can break the wall. But at this point we should all be well aware of the showrunners' horrible anti-horn agenda!
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dowolf posted...

Also hooray for more modes where Ultimate Infestation is OP.

played it on turn 1, opponent conceded

easiest pack of my life
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foolm0r0n posted...

Odds that nothing about the Night King will be explained by the end of the series?

I say 75%

obviously all the lore they gutted makes up the basis of the 5 spinoff ideas that got pitched

please look forward to HBO Original "Light Up the Night King" to get the 7-season long backstory
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I'm kind of looking forward to it even though I don't have high expectations.

Maybe I just want to be free from the neverrending ride
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Nourish was unplayable back when your curve was worse due to Force/Roar and Azure Drakes. Plus the deck was much faster, and you had Lore to draw. When all those (and Keeper) were nerfed, it became an instant staple. The problem is now Druid has the best draw power in the game. Its ramp and draw have hit a critical mass and Nourish does both so I think it's one of the best candidates for a nerf.

I'd rather have Innervate moved to HoF than altered . Put Not-Quite-Black-Lotus in Not-Quite-Vintage where it belongs, and keep cycling ramp cards in standard sets like they have been.

Spreading Plague also probably needs to go. It turned around too many matchups.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

https://twitter.com/edskrein/status/902244967296491520

Comic nerds, what do you think? Seems like insane masochism to be a good SJW on the surface, but who knows. Is this character's race important to the plot or something? Does this mean we can never have a black Batman? Give me your hot take.

My hot take is that I don't think a black Batman would work. I think Bruce coming from upper crust white Gotham is an important contrast to demonstrate the creature comforts he's eschewing in his endless quest for justice.

I suppose there could be a black Batman after Bruce that he passes the mantle to. Maybe something there.

Didn't realize black people couldn't be rich socialites, interesting take
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Lightning Strikes posted...

If Littlefinger's plan had worked, he would have been in charge of the North, Riverlands and the Vale. That's half the country, and would easily allow him to sweep in and take the Iron Throne. I feel it isn't emphasised enough how close Littlefinger came to an enormous amount of power. Sansa outplayed him though.

Secret episode MVP by the way is definitely Yohn Royce for telling Littlefinger to shove it.

You give him too much credit. There's no way Littlefinger ever takes the North. The other lords simply wouldn't follow him because he's not a northerner. He always needed a Stark, and all the Starks hate him. He can maybe get away with The Vale and/or The Riverlands, but he put himself in a spot where most of his power relies on the Starks putting up with his shit.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

I listed a bunch of cases where preposterously bad communication was the only way out for LF, though! Lying about the dagger, killing Jon Arryn, and killing Lysa right in front of Sansa - those were ALL actions where a simple conversation could have ended LF. He rose to his political heights by taking massive gambles, but he's survived by getting lucky/predicting which people would not blabber at the right time.

There are some pretty big differences in those cases though. The first is that he's pretty well-trusted by all those people (Catlyn, Lysa, Sansa) at the points where he does those things. The second is that he can reasonably expect all those people to act logically, or at least predictably. Here, he's trying to play people who actively distrust him off each other. That means he can't be discovered because they'll turn on him, except his plan relies on being discovered by Arya. He also needs them to talk to each other without that ever coming up. You can say he's a gambler, but even by post-Bolton Littlefinger, it's an extremely bad plan. Literally doing nothing would have been a smarter play.
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I haven't kept up with the lore at all, have we known Vraska's been working with Bolas for a while? It's on one of the flavor texts here.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

I don't see what's so incomprehensible about LF trying to play Sansa and Arya against each other. He was counting (correctly) on the Starks' animosity toward each other being difficult to overcome. Bran was an issue, but in person, LF only heard the 'chaos is a ladder' line. And it wasn't clear how strong Sansa/Bran were connected. He gambled on bad communication/being able to steer Sansa, and finally his hand was overplayed.

And don't forget that gambling on his opponents' bad decisions (or decisions that will benefit LF) has been part of LF's MO from the very beginning.

The whole plan was flawed because it relied on the ridiculous assumption that Sansa actually trusts Littlefinger and doesn't just keep him around because he's been pretty useful. But that's fine, it's a good character flaw for LF since he's so thirsty for Stark girls.

But it also relied on Sansa/Arya having preposterously bad communication. If Arya even mentions Littlefinger to Sansa, the whole plan falls apart. This episode showed that Sansa only needed a little push to realize what LF was up to since she already distrusts him. It's frustrating because it relied on the characters not just being dumber than LF but making very stupid decisions, and the plan is left vague enough so that other things that would blow it up don't occur. So we get some CW-tier drama of unfortunate misunderstanding and it doesn't matter because it falls apart off-screen anyways.

That said I liked the actual execution scene, it was very well done and satisfying even if everything leading up to it was bad. Littlefinger has just been floundering for the past few seasons and it was definitely time for him to go.
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Topic title reminds me that DK Malf has some of the best emotes, probably the best out of the DKs.

Hopefully he is still viable once they nuke Druid.
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GANON1025 posted...

Post credits of the series finale. Sam in bad old person makeup is writing in a book. He closes it, the cover reads "A Song of Ice and Fire." He looks directly at the camera and says "actually all of the plot holes were just my bad memory and this was all good writing."

I like this idea, but instead have it be GRR Martin in bad Sam makeup.
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I think it's a combination of the last episode being weak, too. E5 wasn't bad but it was clearly a setup for 6 and 7, and it has to follow an amazing episode. So you have a whole episode devoted to setting up and half of the payoff is lackluster.
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skullbone posted...

Warlock has an unconditional board clear and it costs 8 mana. Warrior leaves 1 minion alive (sometimes to his BENEFIT) and it only costs 5 mana. Brawl is removal and if one of his minions survives, or if he has a weapon charge left over from the turn before to clear it, it's ALSO tempo. And he still has 5 mana to play another minion!

I think that if any deck needs a single card to stay competitive then it's bad design.

I don't think that's a good takeaway. Maybe for threats, but I think it's important for answers decks to have good answers. You'd rather have to play a bunch of bad cards instead of one good one?

My point was that Nether is pretty overcosted for the effect. But it's still a good effect in a class with an OP hero power so you play it.
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N'zoth, Kazakus, Jaraxxus, strong deathrattles, the crazy hero power stuff from Warrior Quest and Death Knights. Basically anything that forces them to have to Brawl twice and still have stuff to kill them with before the Warrior can.
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foolm0r0n posted...

TWO ballistas

One ballista, but it shoots Night Kings that throw javelins.
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