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Honestly, once you're fully kitted out you can count the amount of dangerous fights in Godhome on one hand. Pantheon 5 is mostly an endurance test until the final 2 fights.

I am very afraid of what Silksong's Godhome is gonna look like, feels like most bosses can be a run ender if you slip up due to the two mask thing and how healing works.

Didn't have much of an issue with that segment but any frustration I did experience was forgiven instantly with the visual gag of the fly dressed as Hornet and her snapping its neck . So good

actually the game is shit because there's no SHAW

Dels posted...

Bilewater would be a long one but the boss seemed to be specifically designed to be easier than others so you wouldn't be as likely to die, at least I didn't. (There's also a hidden bench halfway through the area I wonder if people found)

None of these required you to fight past as many enemies as the Soul Master one did in HK. (Though I don't remember any others from that game since that was the main notable one)

I did find that and still think it was ass, sorry. The enemies in that zone are just the most annoying in the entire game. Admittedly I was missing one nail upgrade that would have made things a lot easier so that could color my opinion of it.

Also the difference with Soul Master having a long runback is that fight is a joke AND it gives you a full meter/heal refresh right before the boss

I am not actually sure how many other soulslikes Team Cherry have actually played. For all the Dark Souls comparisons, the devs had not played it when they made the original. They had played Bloodborne, though, and you can REALLY feel the BB influence in Silksong. It even has the death loop of draining consumable resources on respawn with the shards!

But yeah who knows how much they actually kept up with the genre in those 7 years. They werent well tuned into it from the start.

MacArrowny posted...

Interesting, I found Lace 2 way harder than the act 2 final boss, but still found her to be fair

I think this is a really well designed fight, that said I either one or two shot it lmao. But I agree it's probably supposed to be one of the harder ones. For certain one of the high points of boss design and worth comparing that to the others.

And ftr most of the fights I'm thinking of are fair but difficult. Maybe a couple of exceptions; the boss of Bilewater is one of the more difficult ones but not because of the boss itself: it's the worst runback in the game AND has a gauntlet AND adds AND a stage hazard. That one feels very unfair.

MacArrowny posted...

Those are mostly optional, aren't they? Which mandatory fights before the end of act 2 would you say the game considers hard?

Conductor gauntlet for one. The end of act 1 gatekeeper. technically optional as well but the game leads you there so idk how many people will actually ignore it. The final boss I don't think is hard but it is the exact type of thing people struggle with. It's Radiance 2 and I know some people didnt finish HK because of that one

But also a lot of things on the True Ending path count and I think calling that "optional" is pushing it.

Hardest boss imo is between true ending boss or First Sinner (which is optional true) but more than the difficulty itself, the thing with both of these fights is that they highly incentivize one particular playstyle above all others wanderers crest op

I can only imagine what is going to happen to the discourse when people get to the fights that are actually what the game considers hard

(re: that gauntlet) I'm well into post-game by now and that is still the hardest (single) fight in the game! I'll let you know if that changes.

Honestly it's normal enemies I have more of an issue with than bosses. Nearly everything starting midgame has a combo or heavy that hits for 2 health. And this game has a huge hard on for enemy gauntlets where it can get excessive.

True ending route spoilers
It makes it a little funny that in this route every enemy gets an upgrade that makes every attack hit for 2. Like ok it was basically like that before anyways

Difficulty sliders like the one in 9 Sols where you can precisely tune the damage you take and give out are like the best possible approach to difficulty as long as the game allows for it. Player health isn't as granular in Hollow Knight so that wouldn't work, but still.

doing some of these optional fights where you can use tools as much as you want without having to worry about refilling them with shards is only convincing me shards should not be in the game

like I thought it was for game balance reasons, they don't want you to trivialize encounters by spamming all of your tools between rests, but this clearly shows they're able to balance around that???

It's way harder than the boss almost immediately after it, which is really weird and maybe wasn't intended? But idk, I died a lot but I think that boss is fine other than the adds and if it's one of the ones that falls on you and hurts you when stunned.

Also might be worse if you don't have Wanderer's Crest?

Doing True End stuff now. After I got the normal end I said I wasn't sure which game was better between this and the original. I spoke too soon and am now calling it in favor of Silksong. Apologies to Team Cherry, I didn't realize how hard they'd been cooking.

I've pretty much been switching between Reaper and Wanderer, the other ones I got aren't too appealing.

I want to like Witch because it's really cool but you can whiff your heal on that one which sucks.

I'm aware, that one is just the worst about it

YoBlazer posted...

One complaint: two masks of contact damage from bosses when they're staggered and in dizzy mode is kinda bullshit.

are you fighting the boss that falls on top of you when it gets stunned

Some of the quests you can complete without accepting like the miniboss hunts, others you can't. Super weird. I imagine it's going to be one of the things they tweak in patches.

Probablt need to fix the economy which is my biggest complaint - it's only balanced well in the midgame. Early game you have too few rosaries and too many shards, late game you have tons of rosaries (but stuff is still VERY expensive so it's still grindy) but I keep running out of shards. Very few drops, tools get progressively more expensive as you go, and you burn through them with deaths on the hard stuff. It feels like the rocks that drop them were supposed to respawn at one point, but just...don't. This aspect of the game definitely feels balanced around the devs playing nothing but Silksong for 7 years.

Anyways I rolled credits, didn't get true ending though. Still feels like I am missing tons of stuff so now the fun of secret hunting begins.

My gut reaction is that it definitely feels like the first game but bigger and more grand. I'm not sure if that's a good thing, different vibe from the original which is...cozier? Less hostile? Idk. I think Silksong is better but it's hard to directly compare yet because HK benefits from having all the balance tweaks theyve yet to implement and I've just played the first game SO much. Really what its going to come down to for me is which game has the better randomizer lmao

kevwaffles posted...

*pay 30 Rosaries to get into shop*

*still have to pay 30 Rosaries to come back*

This game is clearly a manifesto on late-stage capitalism.

Or the state of the Catholic Church pre-Reformation. Either way.

psst...attack the gear after you enter the room

there is actually some light bug class commentary in the game though lmao. free my man big spider horse bug

MacArrowny posted...

Is there any reason to use Thread Storm?

Ok I got this not too long ago and fucking love it so yeah. It's basically Howling Wraiths which rules as anti-air? I'll admit I'm not sure how they compare damage-wise but if you land most of the hits it seems pretty good. The first spell I find fairly lackluster because there's about a million tools that are projectiles that hit in front of you, the only reason I would want it is if I'm not using any of those.

Dels posted...

Like, to things *other* than that one section we've been discussing? Because outside of that it has felt quite straightforward (most enemies just slowly crawl/walk at you and don't have fancy patterns). But I'm not very far, I went one or two areas past that part for now. I'm not at the mid-game that's been described as brutal.

I'm at, I think, the tipping point from early to midgame and the bosses that gatekeep that are absolutely rougher than HK's. And unlike Mantis Lords (who I consider pretty easy, undoubtedly easier than these bosses), you dont even have the option to upgrade your needle to help? I mean just the fact alone that bosses deal 2 damage mean they 3-shot you and even getting one mask upgrade doesnt help. The burst healing is good but needing your whole meter for it is a completely different flow that I, as a spell spam enjoyer, personally find harder to adjust to.

Currency is also at a huge premium early game with few places to get money easily, so losing it.

That said, I also agree with foolmo in that it feels like an appropriate difficulty for a soulslite or whatever, it's just also pretty obviously harder than HK which I guess was already pushing it for some.

I think that's true but it's a little funny because the devs have said they wanted similar onboarding to Hollow Knight so new players could start with this game if they want. If so I think it's a missed target because this is considerably harder and more punishing than HK's intro imo.

edit: I guess the quote I was seeing was from an old interview so very possible that changed!

If it feels like DLC I think it's because it applies a lot of lessons on enemy and boss design that only show up in HK's dlcs. The only thing that feels like it's trying too hard to be different is the equipment system which is very odd. But honestly it probably needed a rebalancing because most of the charms in HK were useless compared to the best ones.

Not sure how I feel about the sub-weapons vs spells yet. Have a bunch of sub-weapons but only the one spell. The spiketrap from her HK boss fight seems REALLY good though and the hastepotion is interesting. Many of the others have felt bad.

I think it's just doomposting, she's fine but looks pretty much stuck as a memosprite support dps instead of a carry. Topaz 2. She should boost Castorice quite a bit, and Cyrene might help her too.

Biggest issue is Hyacine and the LC selection. Hyacine seems non-negotiable, and once again Hyacine LC is busted. I think it might be a better upgrade than Evernight LC...it might be a better upgrade than Evernight lmao

People are becoming "Evernight is free" truthers lmao

What a beta cycle

tazzyboyishere posted...

Don't do the ant section before getting movement upgrades

doing the ant section is how I got to dash lol

also about hornet's air dive. I didnt have a problem with it, but if you're complaining now you do not know true pain. Good and bad news: there are ways to alter the moveset including the pogo. However some are MUCH worse

I think it's fine but other sets are just better. Damage% gets easily oversaturated on some characters.

And once Orphie releases I can't imagine she'll have issues with Inferno Metal uptime anymore

The support set is bis on Yuzuha and I think every support that can't abuse Astral Voice.

Pretty sure I heard the other set is a trap on everyone but SEED

they learned nothing from deltarune's release

Sounds like I'm definitely putting it off until after Silksong and Nod-Krai. Maybe they'll have fixed some of it by then?

Xiahou_Shake posted...

Seed debuts at T1 on Prydwen, the lowest of any limited on launch to date. Brutal!

Orphie should change that similar to SAnby and Trigger......right?

Goddddd had to go near pity twice because I lost 50/50 to Fu Xuan. I am totally cleaned out now. On the plus(?) side, I got the achievement for having 50 characters lol

I think, with how this beta is going today, I'm ok with skipping Evernight to guarantee Cyrene if it comes to that. Not my ideal preference, but seeming like it's ok if I have to save March for a rerun if needed. These past few banners have just been bleeding me dry.

I gotta get a little lucky because I dont quite have enough to guarantee unless I grind my ass off with old story quests and stuff. Don't want it to come to that!

welp time to do both the summer and chess events all at once because I was very lazy

I mean it doesn't resist phys or fire so a Burnice disorder team should get the job done. From experience, Piper is a bit too weak for it but I dont think Jane or Alice would have that issue. In fact, Alice might be able to solo because she procs disorder on herself?

Yeah I reread the scene and I actually think everyone, including myself, was getting her character wrong.

Cyrene: How do you want history to remember you? As a hero who gave up her life for the Flame-Chase... or as a tyrant?
"She answered so quickly, as if she had made up her mind long ago."
Cerydra: I would rather be forgotten than be defined.

This does not mean "I wish to be forgotten by history." This is a rejection of Cyrene's very specific framing: Cerydra does not want to be DEFINED as solely a hero or a tyrant. If those are the only two options then she'd prefer to be forgotten, but what we get is the actual story in which she is depicted as both. Right after this she goes into her speech about how the Law can't be eternal or go without challenge, and humanity who writes history's laws - she wants the honest and contradictory history that's open to challenge.

Idk if their goal was to make a divisive, contradictory character, mission accomplished!

I'm genuinely not sure what you're talking about

I mean Jiaoqiu and Sparkle exist so I'm not so sure! But if you do have Phainon it's just a no-brainer. Or Anaxa if other supports aren't already invested.

Ok a week and a half straight of farming trace mats for Cerydra and I think I'm done? The event LC is also fully ascended. Planner says I need like 25 more mats but I think that includes leveling basic because the "only recommended traces" toggle doesnt do anything. So I think I'll be good.

Need that double meteor asap

I'm getting a pretty good deal for skipping 2.2 since I'll easily be able to get Lucia and her busted Wengine, and still have plenty of pulls left over for M6 Komano Yidhari. Although like. I REALLY don't need a 3rd Ice DPS...

swordz9 posted...

Do we know what Notorious Hunt materials Seed and/or Orphie want?

SEED wants Priest, Orphie wants Pompey

Holy shit Lucia animations. Support character btw
https://streamable.com/scn8iu

Yidhari's have some fun idles but otherwise pretty normal by comparison
https://streamable.com/w0k4oy

Komano's ability wants a second Rupture or Fire and he has team buffs and a HUGE multiplier on his defensive assist...so he's actually a sub-dps meant to be run with Yidhari + Lucia? Seems clunky as hell but his kit also looks to be literally unfinished

Oh boy another Ice dps for the pile

Who the fuck is Lucia Spookshack???

Komano must be A rank too since theres no animation on his drip. Disappointing but expected I guess? I just hope he's not trash if he's an A rank Rupture DPS. Super weird choice for the second Rupture agent ever.

They didnt outright confirm it but people are saying they hinted at buffs for SAnby? Lmao

Their discord is fairly well managed too from what I understand. The info was absolutely getting to the most tuned in fans, even if the devs did not have anything to show.

It's just that those hyper aware fans still love silkposting

Also the planned release was 2023 and they literally did announce a delay?

https://x.com/griffinmatta/status/1656106351184199680

I'm not really sure what this argument is about

VintageGin posted...

I think you're talking about this:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-08-21/why-silksong-team-cherry-s-sequel-to-hollow-knight-took-so-long-to-make

The answers is they just kept adding stuff and weren't under any real time crunch.

Development heaven, truly love to see it

I get wanting more updates but I respect their stance of not wanting to spoil too much which simply doesnt leave a lot of room for that.