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Druid is one of my main classes and even I admit Plague is a dumb design. It's the same problem as Unleash the Hounds except on an even more dumb fuckoff effect. Worst part is that you almost need it to win as Druid against the most efficient aggro decks. The dichotomy of "did I draw my tech card" vs "did they draw their tech card (Ripper/Devolve)" isn't super exciting.

Melon is a huge consistency boost for Tog druid in Wild, but I'm not as concerned as reddit because Dirty Rat murders that deck. Same kind of lame tech gameplay though. I can't speak for Standard.
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TheRock1525 posted...

I'm not a fan of the capture mechanic, I almost never use it.

I've been trying to force myself to use it since I never use the more offbeat mechanics in RPGs. It's actually really easy to scout strong enemies and capture them by boosting. Some are really good, and they're nice to have, but I still don't use them that often since my party is pretty strong for where I currently am in the game.

I do think that being forced into using captured monsters for her Provoke is really annoying.
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I put Apothecary on H'annit. She doesn't really need weapon variety because of Capture, and even then the rest of my main setup has the bases covered (Therion - Merchant, Alfyn - Warrior, Primrose - Scholar). Her bow skills are slightly unreliable, so the axe ones are nice to have. Thief might also be useful for SP recovery but I like vomiting damage more.
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Man I found an expensive bow to buy (can't steal I guess) that seems insanely good (+280 attack, +100 crit), but has the added effect of raising the encounter rate. Gross!
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Gotta get that 3 extra burst
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ColZach posted...

Really hoping Mech Paladin can be a thing because the legendary spell seems like a lot of fun and in-line with what makes a deck strong. Midrange Mechs?

Meanwhile, in Wild, just hoping Mech Paladin doesn't turn out to be even stronger than odd pally is right now. Mechwarper, Minibot, Shredder, plus that new 1 drop and magnetic cards seem like they're gonna tear up ladder.
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Paladin likes buffs. It's better to make two bodies for a buff to potentially stick to than to make one slightly bigger thing.

Also, the Paladin hero power makes Silver Hand Recruits. Those are 1/1, and they had already made cards that care specifically about Silver Hand Recruits when they made Justicar, so it wouldn't be consistent to make a 2/2 Silver Hand Recruit or a new thing that isn't a Recruit. At the time, the synergy of the bodies with Quartermaster and Warhorse Trainer was part of the point.

Turns out when you don't have to draw and play a 6 drop to get the hero power, it's really good.
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I've run into two of those messing around exploring before doing the second chapters. On the second one I tried out the dance trick Shine posted and it boosted my party somewhere around 5-8 levels each. I'm gonna demolish these Chapter 2s now lol.
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The hero cards are good. Grindy strategies in Hearthstone were generally pretty bad for a while and you need these big haymakers with strong repeatable value to make it worthwhile.

I get the frustration with the power gap between them but I don't think that's a problem with the card type.
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This doesn't look bad, but it feels very generic with a really quippy Aquaman, so it probably is actually bad with a good trailer cut.

It sucks, you can tell they're adapting a lot of the New 52 Johns stuff but with a messed-up tone.
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"Coming soon to Cartoon Network" means it's just a TV movie, right?

I was expecting a Steven Universe Go! to the Movies
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The Shadowboxer deck was actually super annoying, I've played against it once or twice. It wasn't GOOD, but if something from this expansion makes it viable then it would definitely be a problem. The combo isn't Shudderwock-tier in terms of length but it was up there (although, I think turn length might have prevented it from being a guaranteed kill). So it's a good preemptive nerf imo.
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The cast of Community aren't shitty people at heart, but they very frequently act shitty to each other and especially people outside their group. That's the main driving force of the show. You have to give it some time for the characters to settle while also keeping in mind they'll continue to evolve. Some characters are almost unrecognizable from season to season.

Not liking Joel McHale is a bad sign, though. He's the glue that holds the show together, and while it's exaggerated early on as the show finds its legs, that never goes away.
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True, but that applies to any class with multiple viable slow strategies build around a strong shell. Like how you wouldn't necessarily know if something was a Reno deck until they played their second copy of something or Kazakus on 4. Or more recently if a Warlock was Control or Cube until you saw a Cube or Rin or something.

It's more of a problem when a class is dominated like Druid apparently is, but for Druid I'd say the problem is the strong expansion cards it got last year. Based on Wild, yeah, WG, Nourish, and Swipe are all core, but half of the cards in the deck are from KnC and KotFT.
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Camden posted...

KokoroAkechi posted...

Druid has consistently had multiple decks in tier 1 across different metas

Has there ever been a time where Druid didn't have access to a top meta deck?

I want to say after the Yogg nerf it was no longer T1 but was still played. I don't remember how good Jade typically was outside of being a control counter until KotFT happened and it became T1 for sure. Oh, but I think aggro druid was T1 with Ungoro and Living Mana, so there's that.

KokoroAkechi posted...

Like say Im zoo. If I want to play against maly or token I want to know to play around plague and try to fish for something like void ripper for it. But if Im playing against taunt I dont care about that and just want to build a board that can win before oakheart. But until they use plague. Oaken, twig, etc I dont know what Im facing. Ive 100% lost games because the early core of all Druid decks now are basically the same and it makes it really hard for opposing decks to make suitable game plans beause of that.

I think this is just going to be an inherent flaw of the BO1 format no matter what. You see this happen whenever one class has two highly viable decks where you just have to guess during mulligans and stand a much worse chance if you picked wrong. Remember that time right after Old Gods where Warrior had like 5 decks between T1 and T2? That was fun.

I don't think Wild Growth and Nourish are causing that problem here, though. There's certainly an argument to be made they've been part of Standard too long, but if you remove them you just put in Bio Experiment and Greedy Sprite as your auto-includes instead, and early ramp is still samey.
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will definitely knee 20/10
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KingButz posted...

Just be sure to quit after the second season because community turns into total shit after that

I don't know how you can say then when S3 is one of the best sitcom seasons ever. Or at the very least, that's the most iconic. Remedial Chaos Theory is the definitive episode of the show and even disregarding that, there's some incredible stuff like the S3 Christmas episode and Pillows vs Blankets.
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How the hell have you seen Brooklyn 99 without watching any of those others first? Usually I see "If you liked [any of those 4 shows], check out B99!"

P&R is gonna be most similar, then 30 Rock. Community also has a similar vibe but can be more cynical. AD is even MORE cynical but still quality. Really you should watch all of them when you get the chance. Also if you end up liking 30 Rock, then add Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt to the list.

edit: And you're gonna have a hell of a time watching all of these for the first time. I'm kinda jealous.
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There was a period of time all Ubisoft games had horrible credits. I think Rayman Origins also had enormous credits, but you might have been able to skip them.

My friend and I played it co-op, they give you control of the characters to mess around with so we stuck it out for 20 minutes to see if there was anything special in it. There wasn't.
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LiquidOshawott posted...

I miss Patron Warrior

The LOE era one, not the Warsong Commander one

I unironically miss Warsong Commander Patron. That's probably a Top 3 Hearthstone deck for me in terms of how fun it was to play.
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The good news is that it doesn't seem to affect too much, and there's a big level gap between the first and second chapters of character stories that seems to push you to recruiting everyone first anyways.

Merchant and Thief both seem like solid starting options just to get free shit, though.
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Tag. I played the demo and went Therion -> Alf and was on my way to the dancer. I'll get around to playing it but for now my fiance is playing. She started with the merchant and picked up the mercenary, dancer, and scholar so far. The merchant seems to have a lot of really useful gold-saving abilities, though I'm not sure how important money will be ultimately.

Stealing shit with Therion is great though. And I think the alchemist abilities will be pretty useful for healing once I figure out the combinations.
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Board-centric isn't what I what I have in mind when I think of control decks. If you're a board-centric "control" deck, that's midrange. Zoo is the best example of this (specifically TGT-era demonzoo). You bring up Steed and Tirion, but those are just insane value cards that have historically been played in most Paladin archetypes. They've become too slow for aggro now, but that's fine. I think Paladin needs more stuff like this and Tarim that are just good to push it to slower strategies.

Its pure control tools have always kinda sucked. Equality wants you to have board or weapons to trade up, or use a 2-card combo for a clear (bad for card advantage). Same for power setting cards, they're best used to protect your own board and value trade. Pally card draw is also a little underwhelming.

Not saying all decks have to fit neatly into class archetypes, but it just seems more natural to me. And the game could stand to work on midrange more since it's become really polarized between aggro and control with some combos. But maybe after Shamanstone it's not a good idea.
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Paladin never made any sense to me as a control class, but I do think it needs to trend more towards midrange again.
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LiquidOshawott posted...

Oh if you want memes King Togwaggle is in a tier 2 or high tier 3 deck in standard and in a tier one one in wild

Also Marin the Fox is in Shudderwock decks too

Tog is no longer T1 in Wild, sadly. Most combo Druids are Maly now, because it has more game against aggro and is WAY less easy to hate out. It's better against Big Priest though, which is fairly common.

It's actually kinda annoying. I need around 35 more Druid wins for Gold but the Wild meta at rank 5-10 is annoyingly hostile to Druid atm. It's basically Even Shaman vs Big Priest, and it creates this kind of rock-paper-scizzors meta because decks that beat Even Shaman lose to Big Priest, and vice verca. Both matchups are super frustrating, too. You'd think that Shaman would be mostly fine but in my experience the match is mainly decided by if you have Plague and if they have Devolve. It's basically killed my desire to rank up. I guess I could go farm standard where I got reset to rank 25 but I'd feel like an enormous asshole.

Sorry for the tangent, but on the subject of meme decks, one I find hilarious is the Marin the Fox + Dead Man's Hand warrior that eventually wins by shuffling Marins and filling up their board with Treasures.
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davidponte posted...

I'm sure the community is going to be real happy about not getting 20 extra packs with the preorder.

A golden legendary is a legendary of your choice, though, but I think I still prefer 20 packs.

Yeah ideally the 70 for $50 would become the new standard and they'd introduce a cheaper bundle. Maybe they're still shopping around for different pricing structures, or maybe this is the price we pay for the sudden generosity of in-game events (double gold Rag fest is coming back sometime soon).

All I know is that I'm going to be part of the problem, because I am weak and want Mecha-Jaraxxus.
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The only problem with the spooder into draw your deck plan is that once your hand is full, you will just burn the spooders.

My first thought was maybe there will be a way to increase your hand size, but on second thought I think they have too many UI limitations for that.
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Dr. Boom theme is an excellent theme. I am ready to embrace balance.
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I think WOW is just about the same level as Sorry BM, honestly.
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I don't buy this at all. It's literally a Twitter shitpost that people are taking as fact for some reason.
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PrinceKaro posted...

this silly but still respectful letter is what finally causes it to be the worst?

Yeah it's really respectful to accuse the president of Lucasfilm of pushing "an agenda of masculine inferiority"
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Yeah, I know Exodia still works in Standard, but in Wild the deck is better since you still have Ice Block, and Thaurissan is better than messing around with Leyline Manipulator or the quest.

There's also the Uther DK + Beardo OTK that uses Burgly Bully coins. Awful deck but a good meme combo.
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Tog Druid loses easily to Dirty Rat and Deathlord, which are in almost every control deck now. It's "fair." It's decent but the Malygos combo is more resilient to those hate cards so it's stronger right now. That's just Aviana + Kun + Ixilid + Maly + Faceless to make 4 Malygos and leave 7 mana left over for spells. Also runs Twig in case Aviana or Kun get pulled.

Exodia Mage is still around in Wild, it's not really good but it's doable. The cool thing is you don't need the quest. You just need a Thaurissan tick on 4 combo pieces (out of Tony, Apprentice, Molten Reflection)and you can do it in one turn.

There were some Priest combo decks like Dragon Inner Fire and Spawn of Shadows combo, but I think those have mostly fallen out of favor.

Oh and I lost to a Howlfiend + Treachery + Defile Warlock once, that was interesting
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A Bug's Life is equally inexplicable tbqh.
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Venture Bros. comes to mind. It's mostly episodic and possible to enjoy just catching random episodes, but it's nothing special until you sit down and watch the entire thing in order and you realize it's incredible.
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And Crackle, and additional 4 mana 7/7s in the form of Totemcarver.

Deck is good, just never played the burn matchup with it.
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Yeah, one of the problems with Wild is that there is not a consistently good resource for it. Secret Mage is good against Warlock and I think it should be pretty good against Kingsbane Rogue unless they get a huge lifesteal immediately. That deck got more popular after someone made a post on the main subreddit to whine about it so that's my wild guess.

For counters, it loses to control Druid and any aggro deck that is faster than it. That was Paladin back in the C2A days, but I imagine it's still favored. Not sure where Even Shaman stacks up. I assume Quest Priest or Reno Mage/Priest should also handle it easily.
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The audience at my showing was mostly families and loved literally every baby-related gag. It didn't really take me out of the movie, but I guess Pixar knows the family audience.
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Draft and R1 is over, but Time Walk R2 is coming up soon and Finals should be live.
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I felt that way too coming out of the theater, but I've come around on it.

Incredibles 1 was a deconstruction, but 2 is a reconstruction. The world is still decently "dark" but more hopeful in tone. The plot isn't really as good, but I think that's largely because I don't think they could have topped Syndrome (though let's be real, the twist in 1 that the secret island company is secretly evil would probably be just as obvious as 2's if we were to watch it for the first time today).

It's not gonna go up there with Pixar's greats but I'm happy with what we got. The movie itself isn't incredible, but the execution is. The dialogue is still sharp, and the music, fight scenes, and effects are actually great. It's really easy to overlook how good those were done. If they kept making movies like this, I'd keep watching them.
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BANDING just won a game on screen.

Fucking legendary.
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Beta draft was the hypest MTG has ever been
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It's almost like the inherently random nature of card games allowing more unskilled players to win occasionally is considered a positive to the people who play them
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It still looks similar to the Souls combat at the very least, with some new options like the grappling hook, which looks sweet. Honestly no online is a bummer, but I can't complain that they're branching out and experimenting a little after 5 Soulsbourne games.

Also no stats/classes doesn't matter at all unless there's absolutely no customization whatsoever. Bloodborne also didn't have classes but there was plenty of variety.
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Man, the Wild meta is so hostile to Togwaggle Druid now. I know it's healthy for the game to have actual counterplay to combos, but I just wanna meme.

Back to larger man Druid control, I guess.
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If you didn't like BBS then you won't like DDD. BBS is better but they're around the same quality.

I will defend the map design, though. KH has had shitty map design basically since KH2 and DDD probably has the best worlds in the series. Them being huge is also awesome because you get to fly around them with Flowmotion (which if you're not doing, you're playing wrong). Notre Dame is the low point world but it's still fine.
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Holy shit. Well, I guess I didn't need to back it after all!
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