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Well the site basically stopped growing in 2007 and had a gradual decline born of stagnation since

You could say that's a coincidence but yeah. I feel like CJayC with the wheel for 13 years would actually have some ideas to help keep the site relevant

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You had to believe in Kerrigan to pick that with any reasonable level of doubt on Vincent and yeah I never recalled him singing her praises whatsoever.

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Honestly like I figure it's something from the first contest he predicted before he looked at the board much

Like I have a 2003 bracket that has all sorts of stupid crap in it. Stupid by my standards, and keep in mind what that actually means. Like to put it in perspective I think I actually had Cloud winning that year and still wasn't even close to the leaderboard.

If I was to make a topic like this though I'd probably leave 03 and 04 out cause it's less entertaining to read about why I picked Ken Masters over Sonic the Hedgehog vs stuff with actual board discussion

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I don't think Kefka > Crono is as bad a pick as the percentages imply. I'd call like Terra > Dante a worse pick. I don't think tran had that though. And I don't think he had the other famously bad pick from that division either. So what could it be???

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I dislike overly strong safelists so I can't get too down on that. Heck I've won two games as scum/SK by claiming stuff that isn't safelisred.

Ulti's role was broken though. Entertaining read but broken.

Also 5tarscream saying he was saying to lynch red's tracker claim in literature mafia and not me when he had a power role when I just did it off pure read was a total scumtell !!

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Bossman_Coolguy posted...

peak m4 greengravy294 was so incredibly obnoxious and unstable, and i even wasn't banned rrom discord.

You don't upset the same circles Ulti does. If anything you're proving my point because you likely were more obnoxious than Ulti ever was

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Maybe if there wasn't quite so much pandering to the people who basically live on the Discord more people would be encouraged to go there more often.

Like the fact that a guy can be banned because a very small but very obsessive portion of the userbase unanimously dislikes him definitely discourages me from participating in things other than occasional fringe side rooms, I'll say that much.

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Ulti ain't the problem with the Discord it's just implausible to ban enough people to fix the real problem so he's left as the scapegoat.

Free Ulti

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Yup not too surprising. Had it as cooling > hard drive > video card as likely. Thought you had dled the thing to monitor temps though which is why I wasn't harping on temps as much guess not!

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I didn't pick Cloud > Link!

I had Link > Master Chief. Which I honestly think could have panned out if not for L-Block getting in the way.

That's not to say L-Block didn't possibly save me points in other places but for the purposes of the final it only helped if over the field if Link > Cloud happened (which wasn't out of the question to be fair)

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6th in 2007. I actually understood 4 way theory more than most people

Of course in 2008 I did like crap because I was no longer ahead of the curve

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Strife2 is the LMS of pro wrestling

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Final Fantasy 1

FF7 was my first PlayStation RPG so that's something

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Sorry this one is ill timed. I can't even half ass it

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I was planning on coming back later and moving back to Scare. Would it have worked. Probably not. Secondary path to victory is hoping Hb kills Chris after my "honest" swap to Chris. I definitely can't win if I'm alive this day though cause I'm not posting in mafia on a weekend so scumhammer of Chris is a losing move

I think Ben and I had a solid game though and could have won if I had all the time to play. Sultan eh, Ulti kinda threw but I get why he did it in the moment. Just needed to not have the hole in the logic.

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So I'm driving to an urgent care facility that's like an hour and a half away (this isn't 'urgent' in the sense that I'm super sick but I just want diagnosis now and it's my most cost effective option) and think this vote is a bit better. May re-evaluate if day is still up when I can be looking at my phone again.

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You never know it could happen. So many twists today.

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Maybe we can bring someone else up to 2 for sport.

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LOOK AT ME COMPROMISING GUYS.

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I will say that if I have a town read on Hb, Scare as scum looks much more plausible.

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Like the key in calling someone town isn't that you're right or wrong, it's the thought process that leads you to being right or wrong. I don't feel Chris's thought process has been there. He is town clearing people so he can POE easy targets, and justify him being town. That's the motivation.

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I'll keep it brief. I think the fact that you haven't hammered yet means I was probably off on you being scum.

With that in mind, I would say the likely scum team is going to be some grouping of:

Chris + Ben
Chris + Death
Scare + Ben
Scare + Death

I think Chris is a must lynch tomorrow though given the strong linking of Death/Ben to him and it being too perfect as a two man scumteam gambit, so if it's Scare + ??? they've already won if I'm lynched.

Ultimately lynching Chris is better as a damage control move because he absolutely has to be tested, if you're not 100% sure on me. I would be sure you're sure before making the vote. I get that it's easy to vote for me here since I suspected you and Chris calls you confirmed town, but I would argue Chris hasn't been solving the game and has just been making tunnels of opportunity (Lea, Red, then Scare-- reread Chris's bulletpointed thing on Scare and then reread topic 1 and look how loaded his town clearing of you is. Even dead town disagree with his assessment.) and as such needs to be taken off the table.

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Spur of the moment I thought Chris was a better lynch than Ulti so you damn right I would have swapped back then. I lynched Ulti as a compromise because it was a guy on my scum list and it seemed like a slip, but I hadn't fully digested the implications of said slip in the chaos-- with a long time to digest it, maybe I go Ulti over Chris as a non compromise vote it's hard to really know.

Was really only in light of Ulti's flip and the circumstances where scum Ulti does that to scum Chris vs town Chris and role meta I didn't obtain till later did I get doubts that Chris is scum.

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Well Ben, Death and Hb almost certainly won't vote Chris so ultimately your vote probably doesn't matter anyway!

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Not sure I'll finish the scare vs Hb olympics-- work is kicking up and I think I may be coming down with pneumonia to boot (my weekend distraction had it a few weeks ago and I'm an idiot and took care of her then so I'm going to an urgent care facility to check on it later today. May just be hypochondria though too.)

I will say the first topic being read as so town cleary of Hb does make me a bit more suspicious of Chris though. Like I get a feeling that the reread was not done in earnest and was done with the explicit goal of forming a case on Scare. His reads of Death and Ben seem entirely based on giving reason to believe he is town too.

If we remove the idea that scum Ulti pushing scum Chris there seems out of character, and the meta that there must be an unlockable doctor, the case on Chris seems solid, so it should probably be resolved today.

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Here is episode one of the Hb vs Scare olympics

Hb - T1
Attacks Corrik to claim
Attacked by IGCD for faked rage as Chris noted-- note that in spite of this, IGCD never actually pushes the attack or votes him and largely ignores him going forward
'Convinced' by puns to vote Chris
Sultan calls Hb + Sbell (wrongly in the case of the latter) weird for reacting to Corrik as they did. I would note that because he puts Hb with a group at first this is an indirect attack, not as brazen as Chris claims.
Sultan further splits his attack avenue by putting Corrik in there, this is kinda weird to the point where 5tarscream calls Sultan + Hb potential scumbuddies.
IGCD later asks Sbell how Corrik/Hb looks worse for HB, indirectly defending him

Scare - T1
AFK for most of the topic. He's "in spirit" on Hb

Right now Hb looks worse by far. Chris is really reading into a lot of these scum interactions in an overly favorable way I think to townclear a guy he has gut on when really I feel they're neutral at worst. THUS FAR.

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I think Scare is wrong, but that's largely because I don't think a Scare/Hb scumteam is viable and I think Hb is scum.

So if we absolutely can't lynch Hb I guess I could compromise to Scare. Let me iso (named after the famous mtg mafia player iso) Hb and see if I'm just making things up.

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It was a long con by villainous scum IGCD and Sultan!! Long had they had been planning for this day...

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I think I've got a good resume even though very few people acknowledge it!

But I still don't like spearheading things that are wrong. If I get mislynched or there's a bad lynch that I wasn't fully behind it's easier to stomach because hey it wasn't necessarily me that misplayed, really. I mean people can think people are scummy for anything, and not all of it is gonna be right so a mislynch or two doesn't bug me. Hell I'm literally getting suspicion because I'm playing "too well" (when I've afked like half the game due to not caring to play this on weekends and have felt this is a fairly weak game for me) so I mean yeah.

But like, Lea had so many people saying "yeah this person is scum" and I pretty much argued her from death and it's like, yeah, when I get something like that wrong it cuts deep.

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Well me I'd be very mad. I'd have single handedly thrown an easy scum lynch pretty much.

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If only I had been unlocked I bet my war elephant for two would find a second vote and I could have all the power to lynch two suspicions at once

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The big problem, of course, is that at 5 players tomorrow

Chris + Ben (obvious reasons)
and actually, on a weird much more subtle gambit
Chris + Death (the princess gimmick only clearing Chris and Chris alone is strange-- you'd think there'd be more town princesses)

Exist as potential scumteams, so if my read of Hb is wrong, then if you lynch him you lose the game, which sucks.

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Actually I'm gonna go with this one, despite thinking he's town because those two possibilities being on the board could be deadly. Like who knows maybe I'm the one with an ego and can't accept red's read is any good because he couldn't justify it.

Of course I probably get lynched tomorrow as an AFK guy if that's wrong, and I think it is. So I don't know. Only lynch Chris if you promise not to lynch me for AFK reasons tomorrow. Otherwise just lynch me today.

Alternatively, we could lynch Ben and Death to remove that risk. I don't know. This is a bad situation in general.

Of course maybe Lea is attacking me because she knows I've got her read as town and won't fight back. Ulti exploited that against me in that literature mafia thing-- a studious Lea could maybe see it.

Sorry, bandwidth, I know.

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Meh. If not today I'm probably going to get lynched next day since it's going to be a weekend and I'm gonna be AFK most of the time as I have been the last two times. Better to get it out of your system now when there was a lower chance of lynching scum. I kinda think both the leading trains today are wrong so yeah I'm reasonable damage control at least.

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Please re-evaluate looking into him tomorrow. More motivated minds must do so.

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Honestly glancing through that to fact check the most scummy thing Scare did was attack SBell for being detached from the game, which wasn't even mentioned-- feel like Chris is focusing on interactions with confirmed scum here from the notes but I digress. This game was legit the most engaged I've seen SBell ever I think. I don't get it.

Seems like a really vague attack that you can just plug and play-- which is extra suspicious to me when it's patently wrong.

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So looking into it it was cause Sultan had a tiff with Corrik and Corrik posted a Walter White YouTube. After which Corrik was never voted or even sniffed at by you which I kinda find interesting. I mean it's not really a good reason to push a guy for being scum but I figured you might pressure some or something.

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I'm not convinced by that list thus far and am not really super thrilled by your reads this game this far so I can't just take you at face value even if I do think you're town.

But as someone who is considering the possibility that Scare is scum today, largely BECAUSE of today meaning that list is likely to have things I hadn't considered, can you keep going?

(Side note I'm curious about the timing of the Scare LIKING Sultan's content early post-- if you have that post location documented that would be good)

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Alright so I laughed at your gotcha there because it was funny and I felt it but after the snap reaction it's not really fair. Like putting aside what Scare said about setup knowledge if I saw IGCD do something I thought I'd do as scum that doesn't automatically become a tell from him because we are very different players, you know?

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Bullet point it bro

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Hahaha

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I feel like the claim is MORE suspicious without knowing there are a bunch of renamed vanillas not less.

Like I'm not feeling that thing as a primary or secondary protective role makes sense if we have traditional roles in the game. Having a ghetto doctor as a stopgap makes sense if you have to unlock the normal protection though.

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What gets me is why everyone is so sure Ben's role doesn't exist yet it was enough to get people to stop voting Ben when it was claimed?

Like if you think it's a lie why aren't you voting it back then?

I guess it's just kinda frustrating. I was calling it nonsense days ago and now when I believe it in light of Chris's flavor making it clear this game does not have a real doctor, everyone is flipping. I kinda wanna do a reread of the area around that claim and see if anyone who immediately backed off is now calling it an obvious lie. Cause it's just dumb to me how night and day the game's reaction is to the point of raising alarms for me, even if that vote on me was scummy as hell.

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benjamin3740 posted...

Well now I cant vote Lea or we'll have a disgusting 6-way split.

Lea should I be killing Lopen or Scare?

I mean you're literally asking the person who you're saying you're considering voting for voting advice (a question that you should damn well know the answer to, at that) and you're wondering why you come off as dishonest?

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Er LEASH scum I meant I swear

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Granted, I guess by day 3 he wasn't really on my town list anymore so maybe I'm beating myself up over nothing

That vote of Lea was kinda dumb WE DON'T LYNCH SCUM

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Also I feel like if I was trying harder I could have averted the red lynch

Like him and Lea were both on my three person town list. I guess I have cleared Lea to some extent but I do feel I did red dirty in not trying as hard with Lea (though I agree red kinda buried himself there with his fearmongering-- I could have argued a bit harder before he was driven to that point)

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Well my scum list had IGCD but I didn't spearhead his lynch or anything. Just contributed a vote when Scare said "gotcha." Had Sultan as neutral for the same reason Lea did of "I can't read him" though I did go after him that day after SBell murdered him.

Like I do really feel like Hb has had a compelling argument since I've been here but I haven't had the drive to actually go hard on his lynch, which is kinda lame on my part. But like I said I'm trying to take it kinda easy this game so as to not put negative energy into mafia or whatever-- and I can't be bothered to play on the weekends in any sort of useful capacity either.

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I mean I love my role but I feel like it's going to get me lynched due to being too absurd haha.

And uhhh, I'm not sure how awesome I've been this game to be honest. Like I missed every end day but the one that mattered. I'm sorry you guys think I'm playing a game that's too good but I'm mostly just trying to keep you guys from killing each other on dumb arguments. I've been bad at actual scum hunting.

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Alright Lea

Only for you, my role

Ancient Psychic Tandem War Elephant TOWN Powerful Battle Steed For Two

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Please don't lynch me.

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Do people actually care if I claim? I can do it if people care but I mean I'm just another renamed vanilla so I figured it wasn't that important.

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If you're voting me to see how serious Lea is with the Lopen vote why did you ask her who to vote first?

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