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Mythiot posted...

Basically the equivalent of Boba Fett getting launched into the Sarlacc pit by dumb luck.

They're not really this at all. They're used to put Hank over and succeed at that.

It'd be more like if during the Hank thing an old woman who could hardly see hit them with a car and Hank was like "hoo boy that was close" and then recommends she go to the DMV to get her eyes checked.

This case has an abundance of extremely annoying characters and gags and drags. Panties should never be in a game I'm playing, sorry, you're too Japanese.

I honestly don't understand how anyone can think this case and Big Top are vastly different in terms of quality. They're basically guilty of the same stuff and it's just a matter of how much each annoyed you.

I don't understand how Dragon Quest 3 was particularly influential. It was a good game but yeah. Maybe I had to be in Japan or more aware of the path of the franchise to get it? Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest seem like the better includes to me?

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Sonic 3 & Knuckles was robbed by people voting its components

1/10

Basically killed this game for me. It actually makes me think I needed to make Big Top 1.5

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Lopen posted...

Remove Aladdin
Add Phantasy Star IV

Remove Phantasy Star IV
Add Sonic 2

Sabretooth could be a 3/6 and not be used. He's just awkward to fit into the destroy curve.

Crossbones seems super good now

Sackboy at #5 is weird but at least he fits a bare minimum definition of iconic. Like if he was at #15 or something I wouldn't think anything of it

Remove Aladdin
Add Phantasy Star IV

Mega Man 1 feels like the perfect comparison to me yeah. And I wouldn't put Mega Man 1 on an NES Rushmore or even a Mega Man Rushmore. (Sonic game rushmore would be like Sonic 2, S3&K, SA2 Battle and some other newer game)

Definitely agree Sonic 1 shouldn't be on it

Feels like Sonic 1 is more like a retrospective inclusion. It just didn't matter at the time significantly more than other early games-- SMB1 it was not-- and it wasn't at all clear Sonic would be the mega franchise it became until Sonic 2

Rumble

Honestly

Agent 47 at 3 or Shadowheart, Arthur Morgan, and Astarion being on the list at all is probably more offensive than Lara at 1

Blood Kode is pretty much the only reason I put MK on here

I associate it heavily with Sega Genesis and was a big moment for the Genesis being the "cool" system to have.

Incidentally Aladdin having the sword also. But I probably should just put Sonic 2 over it.

I'm just now learning there is hype to this case.

Are the votes with Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles using lock on technology to achieve Sonic 3 & Knuckles

5.5

Didn't get me excited to play the game but good enough intro to a bunch of characters and stuff. I was into this well enough.

Zemo seems OP too. He's basically a 3/7 in the worst case (ok I guess technically could summon Wasp or Yellowjacket for 3/6). Can do much better too.

I think he'll get nerfed but it won't he as quick because it's not as obvious how strong he is.

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Aladdin

I think Red Hulk probably gets nerfed to +3 and maybe even 6/10 +3 at some point. Definitely seems a bit overtuned atm (shocker!)

First time or two I clicked on most recent post and it went to like 5 off from the most recent post and I was like "wow lot of posts from people who have me blocked"

So yeah the planet's dying cloud

Probably nothing but if I remember to do something or ask then start a contest.

Maniac64 posted...

Taker is spooky Goldberg.

I'm pretty close to agreeing with this. I think Undertaker is a bit better in ring characters out of the equation but it's a decent comparison

I would say Goldberg is definitely at least slightly good in the ring in the sense that you want to watch his stuff cause his character makes it fun, which is basically what Taker is at his core.

You can't do that Goldberg / Brock match with just anyone.

This isn't to say every wrestler with a strong character is automatically good in the ring as a result. Like Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior had incredible characters but were that much worse in ring than Undertaker so couldn't be helped most of their matches were bad anyway.

I just think discarding it entirely shouldn't be done either. There's more to good matches than workrate

I think his presence and character work elevated a career with a lot of meh ring work and promos, and some standout matches to firmly "good" even if yeah he had a lot of bad stuff there (even though I'd say most of the truly bad stuff was before the attitude era)

I think it's all under the same umbrella though. Taker having a compelling character MADE matches and promos better. I think it's dumbing down wrestling as an artform to just try and isolate the character from these things entirely.

Now if you hated the character it becomes harder to say this guy was good in the ring or on the mic but at that point you're not really trying to be objective about it and it's just your preferences. The character was legendary and his performance at it was legendary.

Which I mean you can absolutely say no in spite of this, this topic series has nothing to do with being objective. I'm just taking umbrage with him being called "bad in the ring"-- he probably shouldn't really be considered that by any objective measure that is taking the total package into play.

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Yeah I dunno. Maybe the IWC has changed a lot since I paid attention to it (I frequented wrestling forums in the 2000s) but imo that would be a "hot take" and certainly not one I'd agree with.

But to each their own-- I personally can't stand to watch like 95% of Triple H matches (we probably share common ground in thinking his mania matches with Taker are garbage-- I actually preferred their first mania match in the early 00s to his hyped ones) and a lot of people say he's good too.

I think we value character work very differently for promo skill if you're going to claim he was a bad promo.

I'm not saying Undertaker was an amazing promo and his material was often garbage, but he did what he needed to to bring hype for his character and the match/feud. Like I definitely think it's the type of character that can just devolve into long winded pointless babble ala Bray Wyatt but Undertaker generally didn't do that and would just talk about souls and shit and how the other guy was gonna rest in peace and be on his way. I'm not going to go find Undertaker promos on YouTube to watch but in the context of the show it was effective and never made me want to change the channel.

Like he's nowhere near my favorite but this "he's a bad wrestler and/or a bad promo" stuff is completely alien to me. Not even normal workrate snob smarks think that generally-- this is a very bold proclamation.

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Edgeworth interacting with the spiritual stuff salvages it quite a bit for me, but I do think the heavy focus on that stuff is what keeps this case from being anywhere near 2-4 quality for me. (And also prefer 1-5)

I would put him firmly "good" at both though

Ok that's fair

I mean I don't agree he generally had bad matches after like 1995 or so, particularly not enough to be considered the poster child of them.

I also love dumb hokey stuff and question why people who are staunchly against it would be into pro wrestling to begin with (and no it's not just a WWE thing WWE just has more of it) so obviously I don't care about that aspect.

But yeah. That's fair. I'm not saying he should have 100% like I was just wondering why it was all the wrestling mega nerds saying no.

I wouldn't mind getting Red Hulk but I'll never put any weight into drawing for him.

I do think he might be cool in a Sandman deck.

NBIceman posted...

Obviously, known outrage merchant and cancel culture supporter NBIceman must surely be using that criteria as his basis and not judging based on the onscreen character.

Obviously this is sarcasm but I don't know you well enough to know you're NOT these things and it definitely fits the profile of Steiner at minimum.

He has. Specifically I remember the Sister Grimm variant having that honor lol

What's up with the wrestling elitist crew saying no did he do something dumb we're supposed to be outraged over recently

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Much better than the opener but yeah still don't get the hype

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I still haven't really found a War Machine deck I like yet. I almost think he might just be best in a deck that doesn't really use him as completely a tech card but I dunno.

It Up

I mean

I said a lot of stuff BUT I think if we did pursue that line it would have been a way to catch Sbell + Corrik.

The problem is I say too much stuff. We just need someone to catch the right time of the day when we intersect the broken clock.

Funny thing is I said "if Ulti was playing this role right he'd have 3 town 2 scum on it as a hedge" and was shouted down there too

And sure enough, 3 town 2 scum was what was on it

UltimaterializerX posted...

I also baited for a bussing plan. Im not a top tier player or anything but give me more credit than lol I scan guilty guyz. I was trying to make my team (specifically SBell) look good.

Everyone says I'm insane but I was actually giving you credit for that when I was suspecting Mzero

You'd rather crap on me than take the compliment though

Okay Chris I'll play if you'll put that much effort in to get us our own forum and such

Anyway me saying you were scummy isn't an excuse for me playing badly

I'm just saying you were scummy and it's easier for you to solve when you don't have to determine whether you're scum or not so it's not some badge of honor to get 2 scum when 60% of the remaining players for you to choose from are scum

I didn't have a good game but I'm not saying going for your head was even top 10 in my errors. Your head deserved to be hunted at that point.

Town just did poorly all around

Which is all I'm saying

changmas posted...

but i assumed it was the former.

It was yeah

I'll ignore the health thing because you know, fair

SirChris posted...

I could basically only exclusively do conspiracy theories and zany ideas if i wanted powers.

SirChris posted...

sorry FD hammered you when I was away?

And last game was you whining about not being able to ISO all game

But yeah, no excuses ever