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XIII_rocks posted...

Oh shit. Now you mention it, yeah.
So they just saved the eye coordinates and kept randomly firing the probe any which way

i take it there's no way to find said probe?

It's actually possible to find it and catch up to it, but I don't think there's anything you can really do with it

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That seems like pretty much everything.

In terms of why it creates a big bang, yeah, it's due to you (as a conscious observer) entering the eye. The act of entering collapses the probability of the overall universe to a single point which then blows up and restarts. That's how I interpreted it anyway.

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XIII_rocks posted...

In that case, re the last question, why does the sun never go supernova if you wait before the statue gets you?
Sorry, I have trouble getting my head around time stuff sometimes.

Pretty sure that's just a game construct so that it doesn't explode while you're in the tutorial

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XIII_rocks posted...

I have a couple of questions, I guess for the sake of closure/clarity. Pretty sure I've got it but just checking

So:
The Ash Twin project was designed to create a time loop and was to be powered by a supernova.

Was the purpose of the time loop to send different probes (using the orbital cannon)? In that case, if it was a loop, how did it go to a different place each time?

Did the statues only activate because the Supernova happened 22 minutes later, powering the Ash Twin project?
And both me and Gabbro happened to be near a statue at the time to get roped into it?
Why do I start at the campfire, not the observatory?

Just a little short on some bits and pieces here.
And the more I think about it the more I think I don't have it

The third mask was sending the data back in time with each launch/loop, prompting the cannon to fire at a different location each time afterward.

Yes, the ATP was activated because of the supernova, but it's worth noting that many loops were completed with just probe tracking module and not you/Gabbro at first until the Eye was discovered. When the eye was discovered, the remaining statues were activated and paired with whoever was nearby.

The campfire is where you were at the start of the ATP loop (despite pairing with the statue later).


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Paratroopa1 posted...

Figuring out how to get into the quantum tower on Brittle Hollow was really satisfying for me too, I figured it out too, didn't realize it on accident

Is there actually a secret to getting to the quantum tower on Giant's Deep? I found it and didn't remember it being a problem or anything, I just kinda went there

It's located in a cyclone much bigger than the rest. So no real trick to it, you just need to notice that and then try to land in the middle of it.

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You're probably overcomplicating things. The only thing you need is patience.

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Ginhyun
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so like if it's all "about control" or "about causing panic"

what do you guys believe is the end game here

legitimately curious

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Ginhyun
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Huh, you got there much earlier than I did! That was one of the last places I visited

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Ginhyun
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Those are cacti (not that it matters)

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Ginhyun
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Smuffin out here posting tabloid links now

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-to-keep-employees-home-until-summer-2021-amid-coronavirus-pandemic-11595854201

Google is having employees work from home until July 2021. Damn.

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XIII_rocks posted...

if I fall into this black hole one more time

Trying to explore the hanging city
Got the black hole forge up but haven't been able to get to it yet

Everyone that's played it does that on accident like ten times as far as I can tell

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Maniac64 posted...

It is definitely weird that so many people wont wear a mask.

Especially when hospitals are universally having people wear masks all day so it clearly isnt unhealthy.

It's entirely a spite-based response. People told them they should, so they go hard in the opposite direction and come up with justification after the fact.

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https://i.imgur.com/0rjiANE.gif

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

I'm in the High Energy Lab on Ember Twins, and I just read that the Nomai researchers confirmed their hypothesis about time travel - namely, that an object exists the white hole a split second before it enters the black hole. One of them then poses whether a delay of 22 minutes would be possible (here's where I had to pause and take a breath). They speculate that it would it's theoretically possible but would require energy on a new scale.

I have my own theories as to what that last bit implies, but I won't post them here because I don't want to risk spoiling myself in the ensuing convo. So glad I'm savoring this. =)

Ah yeah, that was definitely one of those moments! By the way I would avoid reading this topic until you've finished, but you probably already know that

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

omg this game

I had to pause and take in the most recent knowledge learned, and I don't think I'm even near the end.

What did you learn?

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Ginhyun
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who is this sweet old woman

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Ginhyun
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Posting this again because Ulti ignored it the last time he started saying this shit

The point of cloth masks is to reduce the velocity of droplets (specifically larger droplets) so that exposure is minimized and people don't receive a significant viral load as commonly as they otherwise would.

And no, 6 feet is not a magic barrier, nor is a cloth mask. The point is to mitigate the risk, even though they don't eliminate it entirely. It's not possible for the entire populace to wear N95 masks.

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ZenOfThunder posted...

i remember while typing this you could be a chicken that was cool

I forgot about that entirely. Yeah, that was cool.

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foolm0r0n posted...

Pretty much every game I play nowadays. My brain has space for maybe 1 awesome game per year to embed itself and that's it.

Yeah, I sort of feel that way more and more

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Yeah, I admit I had to look through my Steam catalogue of games I've played to find Valiant Hearts and Guacamelee. Otherwise I probably wouldn't have remembered them.

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This was sort of inspired by the Ori topic as I realized I barely remembered anything other than the artstyle and the end of the first dungeon. But I've realized there's a ton of games that I enjoyed while playing but entirely forgot about.

Rayman Origins is a big one for me-- I can't remember for sure if I even beat it (though I'm 95% sure I did)

Valiant Hearts I remember liking, but I couldn't even remember what type of game it was until I watched a trailer

Guacamelee was another one that seemed fun at the time, but I more or less completely forgot existed

Anyone else have games that you more or less forgot about despite enjoying them?

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StealThisSheen posted...

"They're closing stuff down, fuck them!"
"They're opening back up but I have to wear a mask, fuck them!"
"They're closing back down because people didn't wear masks, fuck them!"
"They're creating a vaccine that will lead to things being able to open up again, fuck them!"

https://youtu.be/DtMV44yoXZ0

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

I'm fucking in love with this game. I don't think I've ever seen anything strike such a balance between the intimate and the vast.

That's a good way of putting it. I also feel like it captures what The Witness does well, but in a setting that has an actual story/lore.

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Ginhyun
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Well damn. Guess I'll just play on PC then.

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Ginhyun
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Fire

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Ginhyun
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I've heard that there were performance issues at launch, but I've also heard there were patches to fix those issues. How does it run now? Should I just play the PC version instead?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/jillboard/status/1281966285731983361?s=21

Is there some context here that I'm missing?

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Ginhyun
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Saw something earlier from a UCSF professor that suggested that masks (plus social distancing) may be contributing to why we're seeing more non-severe cases of COVID relative to the overall new cases.

It's not really a new idea-- basically that masks are reducing the viral load when people are exposed, and a lower viral load may lead to less severe cases. The second part of this is the big question as far as I'm aware, as it hasn't been definitively proven that smaller viral load has a direct relationship with severity. But if that's the case it lends further credence to wearing masks even when the efficacy may be well below 100%.

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Corrik7 posted...

Just for the record. Notice how Board 8 considers the racists the non-troll conservatives. Lol.

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

yea so we're back to ulti then, thanks corrik

incredible

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Ginhyun
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whoa

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Ginhyun
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I've been using a surgical mask for a while.

For running, I usually keep a scarf/bandana thing tied around my neck so I can easily pull it over my face if needed. In practice this doesn't happen because I ring in areas that aren't especially busy and stay as far away from people as possible.

I just recently got some cloth masks that I've been trying out in conjunction with an N95 mask.

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Ginhyun
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Yeah, that's fair. I just couldn't do it.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

I once played an indie platformer that has you like running through a dungeon with very old school graphics, and the whole gimmick is that it's secretly a social experiment where the game changes based on some unchangeable factors in your PC so that the game is easy for some people, hard for others, and literally unplayable for some other people, and the whole gag is everyone being confused that they're all having vastly different experiences with it. It was a while ago and I can't remember what it's called - does this ring a bell for anyone?

https://www.wired.com/2009/11/cactus-dungeon/

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I think it's interesting that they honestly could have gone that route because the ship data doesn't actually gate you. It's really cool that the game gives you everything you need upfront like that.

It still stressed me out doing that, even though I read that minor spoiler to confirm that I wouldn't lose everything if I failed. I feel like of I hadn't read that I probably would've stressed over it for a day before getting around to beating the game.

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Also I died like nine times over the course of the game from forgetting to put my suit on.

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Weird, I guess I wasn't looking hard enough, but I didn't see that on the other side of the shutter.

And I inadvertently got a bad ending earlier. I jumped through the black hole in the ATP, which took me back to the beginning. I saved and quit, forgetting I had done that...then got surprised when I went to play again, died, and got "You have broken the fabric of spacetime"

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Just finished the game. I don't know what I was expecting going into the end, but I definitely wasn't expecting that. Holy shit.

This game is incredible. It manages to nail the atmosphere, from the feeling of exploration to the genuine creepiness of the quantum moon/eye.

I definitely feel like there were things I missed (the thing in the High Energy Lab, was there any entry for Hollow's lantern?), but I feel like overall the game was really well-designed to guide you in the right directions without outright giving you the answers. Also the game seems perfectly tuned time-wise-- the 22 minute time limit always felt about right. I can't imagine how much playtesting had to go into this.

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Yeah, just tried it again and it worked. Just needed to shove myself into the door even though it looked like it was too short a gap to fit me.

Then I immediately fell into the sun.

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JackMan posted...

I'd mark that first sentence, if I were you, just to be safe.

If only there was something you could use to walk over the cacti...

If you're talking about sending a scout in, I did that and got it to warp to the sun station.

I also tried getting there as soon as I could to walk over them with the sand but that didn't seem to work.

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Landed on the Quantum Moon and spoke with Solanum. Even though there's nothing outright threatening here this game manages to make me feel super uneasy.

I think the only thing that's left for me to do is to figure out how to get to the Sun Station, which I'm still not sure how to do given the tower is filled with cacti.

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Thanks for the hint Jackman-- I don't know how I missed that control room, especially given I went through that area multiple times.

I have to say, the hints about having a few seconds' window and the twins counting as a single celestial body for alignment were genius. It was just the right amount of information to figure out what I needed to do.

The fact that I can remove the core but it will depower the Ash Twin Project makes me nervous. My instinct is to take it to the ship in Dark Bramble and initiate a warp, but if the Ash Twin project is depowered...doesn't that mean I die for real if I mess up?

I also still have no idea how the Quantum Moon fits into all this...

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Just got into the Ash Twin project

Uh...fuck

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I wouldn't mind a nudge in the right direction!

Went back to the vessel and noticed the warp core this time. Tried putting it back and placing the coordinates I found earlier into the ship but nothing happened. Also tried flipping/reversing them just in case.

My guess with the warp core is that it goes back to one of two solutions that a Nomai wrote aboutfor the Ash Twin project-- retrieving the old warp core vs creating a new one.

If manufacturing a new one is an option then that's the one I want because fuck dealing with those anglerfish more than I have to.

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@MawiIe Dodo code is 3RHG4

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MawiIe posted...

shoot I swear good turnip prices are always in the am

If you want it I can open up. Still have 15 mins until noon!

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Hmm, finally figured out I could warp to Black Hole Forge via tower on Ash Twin only to find nothing to do there except leave.

I still haven't found the purpose of diverting the power from the High Energy Lab. There's a little window I can open and close and launch a probe in. I expected some quantum stuff, but opening and closing the little window doesn't seem to change anything.

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Ginhyun
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Turnips are 468 for the next two hours if anyone is interested. Let me know and I can open up.

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Spoilers, I guess, in case anyone who hasn't played is reading this

Areas that I still need to investigate:

-I landed on the Quantum Moon, but I can't get to the North Pole without leaving the atmosphere and resetting my position. I also found a tower there to move the moon, but I wasn't able to leave the tower after going to the "sixth location"

-The Tower of Quantum Knowledge and the Tower Shard-- I have a feeling the two are linked and the Tower Shard is key to getting in...but I haven't figured out how that would work yet.

-Still haven't found a way to get to the Black Hole Forge, which is also on Brittle Hollow

-I'm missing something in The Vessel. I suspect I'm supposed to enter the coordinate symbols I found somewhere else but I wasn't able to access my screenshot at the time.

-I was able to change where power was going in the High Energy Lab on Ember Twin, but I have no idea what actually changed when I did that.

-I still haven't found anything of note about Hollow's Lantern, which feels a bit strange given it has space on the map.

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