Poll of the Day > Anime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCVIII

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Is there a new version of Dragon Ball Z, that is still airing or something?

Recently gotten into tick tock a bit, and they keep showing clips from Dragon Ball Z (and from parts way past where I stopped watching). I had heard they made a version that cut out alot of the filler etc, and always meant to watch that, but is there an even newer version, or are they still releasing new stuff with that abriged version or something?

Anyone know where I can watch the new version (especially if the filler is removed from the original)? I have Amazon prime/Netflix right now, but could get another if needed.

There was Kai which was "Z without the filler" and Super, and after Super we have two(?) films now and at least 1 arc (I don't really follow anything post-Super). Super was also like 130 episodes but the first 40 or so were retelling of two films.

wolfy42 posted...

Anyone know where I can watch the new version

No. I can't tell you how I watch any anime sorry.

wolfy42 posted...

Anyone know where I can watch the new version (especially if the filler is removed from the original)? I have Amazon prime/Netflix right now, but could get another if needed.

I think Super is on Crunchyroll for free, but best you confirm yourself

Judgmenl posted...

There was Kai which was "Z without the filler" and Super, and after Super we have two(?) films now and at least 1 arc (I don't really follow anything post-Super). Super was also like 130 episodes but the first 40 or so were retelling of two films.

No. I can't tell you how I watch any anime sorry.

Thanks I just (re?)found Hidive...I think that was switched over from some other thing I used to watch cause I vaguely remember it. I'm checking out the shows on there (Demon girl next door was mentioned above so I could give that a try). It's like $5 a month but they have a 2 week trial (prob can catch up on any good anime on there in that time then decide if new episodes are worth $5 or if I'll just wait a few months till the whole seasons are released.

I have anime on netflix/amazon right now I could watch (still can't get into attack on titan), but always looking for something new to grab me!:)

DeltaBladeX posted...

I think Super is on Crunchyroll for free, but best you confirm yourself

Thanks I will check!!

Episode 2 of Tomodachi Game was just as rushed as the first, so I guess that's what they're going with to get through the season. The series still hasn't really shown its true colors; there are still several unrevealed facets to the characters that are integral to the plot (and this is pretty much the last game that focuses solely on the main crew, in case there were any worries that this is all it's going to be).

I watched episode 2 and 3 of tomodachi game and I'm still not entirely on board with this show. I feel like they are accepting this game and it's credibility way too easily and they are irrationally concerned more about debt and friendship rather than safety. I feel like much of the drama falls flat as well because we saw them be friends for like 5 minutes before the game started. I don't really care if one is in love with another one or did something embarrassing before.

I'm also still caught up on why they played the game after rich boy said he could just pay the debt no problem for whoever had it.

Also watched the latest episode of quit hero. It's looking to continue at a watchable but not much better level. Probably end around a 7-7.1 on MAL.

Just watched third episode.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

I'm also still caught up on why they played the game after rich boy said he could just pay the debt no problem for whoever had it.

After reading the corresponding chapter of the manga, I think that may have been a misunderstanding/mistranslation. Shibe was saying that he'd lend out the money in a hypothetical situation, if he was able to. I don't think he actually has that much money to throw around.

As for why they decided to play the game, there's a few reasons. They did get kidnapped and thrown into that situation; there's not much chance they could fight their way out on their own. And they did want to help reduce their friend's (and their own) debt. They don't seem to be in immediate danger so it would be better to stay focused on the game. The pacing though, I don't like any more than you do.

keyblader1985 posted...

They did get kidnapped and thrown into that situation; there's not much chance they could fight their way out on their own

Well yeah, but if you choose not to play they just let you go supposedly. If they choose to play, that just gives them higher chance of seeing stuff that would require the tomodachi game runners to kill them and at the very least you'd be in exactly the same situation afterwards. Regardless, escaping with your lives seems like it should be your top and only priority. Why would they even be able to enforce the debt once you leave?

The whole situation lacks fear. The contestants should by all rights be terrified. There's so much more at stake than their petty highschool relationships.

keyblader1985 posted...

Shibe was saying that he'd lend out the money in a hypothetical situation, if he was able to.

But it's not a hypothetical situation. They are directly in the situation. "Hypothetically, if you were in the debt that you are right now, I'd lend you the money no problem". That doesn't make any sense.

It's also illogical even from a friendship perspective. No real friend would risk the future and safety of his friends just to escape debt, especially without asking them. If there was a person with such a debt forcing them into the game, it should be obvious that they aren't really your friend and are in fact an awful person that you have no reason to help or put yourself on the line for. Like, even if you escape the game perfectly, the debt is cleared completely for all players, you'd still fuckin hate the piece of shit that forced you into this. The whole concept is full of holes which is weird because the author could have just as easily not given them a choice and closed that hole effortlessly. Their agreeing to participate doesn't really add anything to the narrative aside from them being confident in their friendship (despite obviously having an asshole friend willing to chance ruining their lives for personal gain) which could have just been established as their resolve to get through the games safely together.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Well yeah, but if you choose not to play they just let you go supposedly. If they choose to play, that just gives them higher chance of seeing stuff that would require the tomodachi game runners to kill them and at the very least you'd be in exactly the same situation afterwards. Regardless, escaping with your lives seems like it should be your top and only priority. Why would they even be able to enforce the debt once you leave?

If you look at that from the reverse perspective, these guys just kidnapped you and say you owe an obscene amount of money; would you really trust that they'd let you walk out the door and never see you again, even if they said you could? And if you did leave and the kidnappers got nothing out of it, then the person who arranged for this would be as good as dead; a little harsh even if they did betray you.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

But it's not a hypothetical situation. They are directly in the situation. "Hypothetically, if you were in the debt that you are right now, I'd lend you the money no problem". That doesn't make any sense.

The hypothetical was "if he had the money." Shibe was saying that he'd be willing to stick his neck out for a friend, and everyone else agreeing with him was their implicit agreement to participate in the game. At this point they're still believing their friendship was unbreakable and that they're all in it together (since they supposedly all have their own debt now). Of course that may not apply to the person who got them into the game, but Sawaragi had her own reasons for not wanting to focus on that, and the others just kind of went with her conviction. That's not to say the culprit should be so easily forgiven, but given all the circumstances at play, deciding to play the game together seemed like a pretty reasonable option.

keyblader1985 posted...

would you really trust that they'd let you walk out the door and never see you again

It's absolutely the option scared people would cling to and no one even brought the danger up. No one even appeared to be scared.

keyblader1985 posted...

then the person who arranged for this would be as good as dead; a little harsh even if they did betray you.

100% their own fault. They dragged me into a situation that could get me and my friends killed without even asking. Fuck them, I'd be tempted to kill them myself. Even if you can forgive them for putting you in danger, can you really forgive them for endangering your friends?

keyblader1985 posted...

but Sawaragi had her own reasons for not wanting to focus on that

A pitiful reason unless theres more that hasn't been revealed. Simply liking someone isn't reason to forgive them for this.

The two points are basically directly opposed. Either they aren't afraid of the situation, so they have no reason to play, or they are afraid of the situation and should never forgive the person who got them there, and also shouldn't play.

After the success of Takagi-san and the apparent popularity of Tsubaki, on top of the fact that Shogi-senpai is ending a major arc next chapter that we're going to get two seasons of Shogi-senpai very close together. They already announced (in the current issue) that two characters who don't show up until like 50+ chapters in are going to show up, and they just ended the current arc in a very Tagaki-esque manner (note: We're 151 chapters in). It would be a huge waste to bring two supporting characters in for only a couple of episodes but it also seems like a waste to take only 2 seasons to adapt a (currently) 151 chapter manga.

But on the other hand, Takagi-san only has a few more chapters than Shogi-senpai (Note: I haven't actually read the Takagi-san manga) but I don't think that 3 seasons of that anime covered the entire manga (It covered a lot of it), and apparently the series is ending with the movie unless we get the time skip spinoff. I did check and they have adapted at least most of the chapters, but that took 3 seasons.

I just like the author's works and I'm surprised that in such a short time he's made two very good coming of age stories.

started watching Deltora Quest because the idea of one of my favorite's books as a kid being turned into a 65 episode anime is wild to me

better than i was expecting it to be, it's a solid 6/10

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Dude, I listed some plausible answers as to why they acted the way they did. (Also I explicitly said the traitor shouldn't be so easily forgiven.) Not everyone is going to act the same way in any given situation, just like how Yuuichi also thought it was strange that they all agreed to it but ultimately went with their decision - maybe the others did the same thing; the power of suggestion is strong.

Sawaragi made the assertion to not blame the traitor, and Shibe decided to play. Both of those decisions obviously worked out for the traitor, so they went with it. That just leaves two others (or possibly three, depending on the traitor's identity), and going with the rest of the group when other options don't seem promising is a plausible choice. And not everyone will panic or show visible fear even if they are afraid. You can't expect people to act the same way you would or make the perfect decision at any time, especially in fiction.

I just disagree. Those aren't plausible. At the very least, if they are, the characters are incredibly stupid to the point it's hard to care what happens to them.

I refuse to believe that someone that would have a mental breakdown and burst into tears over what was revealed in episode 3 also would be totally fine being kidnapped into this situation. It's just not how people work.

And of course sawaragi's reasoning for not finding out the culprit is also very stupid. How would this whole situation not be enough to break your infatuation and make you think you were wrong about the person?

I'm hoping at least that there are more traitors. The guys reasoning for betrayal is pretty unsatisfying as far as a mystery goes. The only "clue" we get is seeing him spying angrily on the two at the end of the first game but that just feels boring. There was no inconsistencies in his story to trip him up and allow us to deduce anything. They act like the cut from the pen would be an important clue but they only give us this during the reveal that it was him in the first place. Every bit of reasoning on the part of the audience up to this point was fruitless making me hesitant to bother trying to think very much in the upcoming episodes. Kind of reminds me of starship operators where the solution was always some psuedoscience nonsense that couldn't possibly be come up with by the viewer..

YoukaiSlayer posted...

I just disagree.

That's what it boils down to; the rest of that you're getting into spoiler territory.

You just gotta either accept what's already happened and maybe you'll get a full explanation later, or give up.

This season of shield hero feels pretty meh. Like, nothing is really wrong with it, but it's not exciting.

I've been going back season by season on MAL looking through everything to see if theres any good shows I still have left and fixing my list since this is my second account and I don't have access to the first one (which also wasn't completely accurate).

Man, it really hits me that I have watched a lot of anime. Up to 479 completed so I'm guessing it'll be right around 500 when I finish going back. Just over 176 days of anime. Dropped 110. I've completed at least one new show in every season all the way back to spring 2005, although I dropped speed grapher about half way through. I've watched just over 10,000 episodes of anime. That's actually insane. The most episodes I've seen of anime is code geass with like 350ish from how many times I've rewatched it. Longest show I've completed is dragon ball z at 291 episodes (and I've seen some of them more than once so it's possible I've seen more total than code geass).

Although also absurd to think about, I've played just the halo series of video games for about as many hours as I've watched anime even though I only played halo for like 6-7 years and I've watched anime for 25.

Watching through silver spoon now. It's pretty decent overall but I kind of hate the stance they take on farming. It focuses really heavily on how much the people care about the animals, rather than the life quality of the animals. As if it's fine to effectively torture your livestock as long as you still care about them. Especially at gigafarms or whatever it's called. Or even in the first episode when they see the chicken coop where the chickens are stuffed in tiny cages and don't even have enough room to turn around, one of the characters mentions how this style of farming has come under criticism from the west and the main guy says he can't see it as bad because it's so beautifully efficient. Idk, it feels like I'm getting mild propaganda here that isn't enough to ruin the show, but it just kinda pisses me off every now and then.

The show's actual themes of finding a purpose in life and contending with other's destructive expectations of yours are well executed so far and the comedy is pretty funny. The show also has a pretty good pacing of comedy and drama to keep me invested even though not enough where I need to watch the next episode right away.

Wow
So I'm working my way through last seasons anime
And I just finished the second part of The case study of Vanitas, I thought the first was fairly good and was expecting this second part to be the same.
It seems I was wrong, the story not only got a lot more interesting but a lot of fleshing out was done to the characters which made it much more engaging to watch, I was genuinely shocked by how much better it was and am now very much hoping it'll get another season.
Iirc the author of it is the same one who did Pandora hearts which sadly didn't do well as an anime (I quite liked it though) so here's hoping things go better this time

Maybe I should give vanitas another try. I think I just watched the first episode or maybe it was two but I didn't really enjoy it. Kinda figured it only had a high score for being fujo bait.

Also finished silver spoon season 1. It was pretty good aside from my earlier nitpick. I think it's fairly ingenious what they've done with the main character and the theme of the show. He has no idea what to do with his life but knows he doesn't want to do what his father had been pressuring him to do. That sets up a theme of finding meaning in your life and the setting plays to it perfectly. We have the people inheriting farms with big dreams and strong convictions that our main character feels jealous of but comes to understand and the animals whose life seems to be like his old life, entirely controlled by others with no freedom or purpose, that he struggles to find meaning in. It let's him see his own issue from so many different angles through the setting and people around him and really makes the setting a vital part of his character arc instead of just a cool or unusual place.

Enjoying today's seasonal anime. Summertime render especially has me hooked. Kongming and skeleton knight were fine. Haven't watched demon girl next door yet but I'm sure it'll be good (EDIT: it was great as expected).

In non seasonal anime I tried to watch altair:record of battles but it just isn't good. Episode 4 was the last straw when a 10 foot tall fire that was like 5 feet in diameter stopped an eagle from chasing someone down in the open desert. Made less than zero sense. It's also annoying how many terms there are for basically no reason. Every position has it's own hard to pronounce name, every character has like 3 names which may or may not include their position, and there hasn't been any damn battles yet. The villains are also cartoonishly evil so far which seems very out of place in what is trying to be a logical setting.

The main character will probably get better but so far is infuriatingly stupid. They make it out like his weakness is his poor ability to work with others but actually he sucks at everything. He loses every 1v1, he makes rash stupid decisions, and often he runs in with no plan. Might be fine for a normal 17 year old but this is supposed to be some military prodigy that got the rank of general at age 17. How? This dude is dumb as rocks and either gets carried by his eagle somehow defeating swordsmen or he just loses.

Kingdom is such an easy blueprint to follow and kingdom has plenty of room for improvement. Why is everyone so bad at copying successful things? I guess it's not surprising that the booms of the last like 20 years have been moe/slice of life which barely requires any writing ability, and isekai which can have a premise carry even the most incompetent writer. I'm salty. I want more good anime.

So, I watched Orient trying to go into it not thinking things like "why can't we have Magi S3 instead"
After finishing it I now REALLY want Magi S3 because holy shit was it not worth the time it took to watch, easily the most disappointing show I've seen from last season and I suffered through World end harem ffs

zoro-1992 posted...

So, I watched Orient trying to go into it not thinking things like "why can't we have Magi S3 instead"

I could barely stomach the first episode. It sort of blew my mind that it came from someone who I thought of as being decent.

I feel like thats happened a lot lately now that I think about it. Like, platinum end is just mega garbage but death note and bakuman are like top 10 of all time contenders. Then to a lesser degree combat agent 6 was a fair bit worse than konosuba although to be fair, he did start agent 6 sooner.

The platinum end one really gets me cause it's not like the authors just had lightning strike once or anything. They have multiple good things they did before this so I have to wonder what happened.

nah, death note is just as mega garbage as platinum end

death note was pretty good but way overhyped

g senjou no maou is a better death note but it's a vn

Aharen was really funny this week. I was just starting to feel kind of bored with the show and then they bust out the rapping part and the spinner part. Funny stuff.

Executioner had more yuri fanservice this episode than I was expecting (although still not a lot). The world is more interesting than the characters but I don't think I'll end up dropping it.

Kaguya continues to be great but I've kind of realized that every single guy in this show has it rough. That other dude is almost on the school days route, he needs to be careful and escape both those psychopaths.

been playing some fire emblem warriors recently and i think one of these support conversations implied incest wtf

"if only you could share rulership with your brother" "it's happened before in our royal line so it's possible!"

Ran out of anime, so I'm trying to find something to watch. Kind of leaning toward live action, but who knows, maybe I'll pick something back up that I haven't finished yet.

Still slowly playing through Xenoblade. Think I'm on chapter 13, with everyone around level 62.

Started catching up on bookworm, did they condense stuff in the two recap episodes? Feels like the second recap episode was about a volume of content that I'm not sure had been adapted in the anime before (I read a lot of the light novel recently)

Edit: in fact I don't remember Freida at all in the anime despite her having a pretty big arc. Or Johann (smaller arc but still, was pretty big)...

Finally finished up silver spoon. Sad that there likely won't be a season 3 but it's not the worst place for it to end. Overall it was quite good. I feel the first few episodes don't really suck you in but after that it stays pretty engaging all the way to the end.

Also been keeping up with weekly stuff. No real changes in opinion on anything except the kingdom is heating up faster than I thought it would this season. I guess bookworm also feels like it's zooming through stuff this latest episode.

And forgot that another anime was starting but watched episode one of cuckoos which was ok. It was mostly just setup though so I'll need to see episode 2 to figure out what the show will actually be like.

Not sure what else to watch.

agesboy posted...

Edit: in fact I don't remember Freida at all in the anime despite her having a pretty big arc. Or Johann (smaller arc but still, was pretty big)...

Freida was in season 1 and 2 quite a bit. Johann was in season 2 briefly but is getting a bit more focus in season 3. Didn't watch the recap episodes so no idea what is in those.

Pretty cool news, Liella has 4 new members to bring them up to 9 (Same number as 's and Aqours
https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveLive/comments/ud6111/new_liella_members_idk_what_to_feel_about_this/

This second Tomodachi Game is taking longer than I thought it would, but it's likely to end next episode. At this pace I think the season will end with the third round.

You summoned me by saying "yuri fanservice", Youkai. I will go find it.

I_Abibde posted...

You summoned me by saying "yuri fanservice", Youkai. I will go find it.

There's not all that much of it and what's there isn't much either although the story does become more yuri over time if source material readers are to be believed.

Kinda debating if I even want to bother with shield hero episode. It's not awful but I have no attachment to anything going on or any of the characters. Like, I guess it's been too long since season 1 considering how average it is.

lolol Polka is now (possibly) the second vtuber (that I know of) that has gone skydiving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLX10kccpU0

It has english subs if you want to watch!

Also, I say possibly since the only other one I know is Mito from Nijisanji, but it's not fully confirmed if that was actually her.

Skydiving seems terrifying.

I've watched a fair bit of anime.

Ya boy kongming was pretty good. I enjoyed shifting the focus to a new character somewhat to give it some variety.

Aharen-san is always funnier than I remember. Watching raidou get cheesed by a fear rattata in that fake pokemon game was hilarious. I feel like the show has really hit it's stride in the last couple episodes.

Executioner I feel is so close to being way better. Like the writing is almost there, but it's not. The world and the "pure concept" thing are both quite interesting but theres too much exposition and not enough experiencing when it comes to the world and the characters are pretty 1 note outside of mennou.

Demon girl next door is just consistently great. That show should be more popular. It's one of the funnier comedy anime and it's cute and theres actually interesting plot. A real hidden gem for now.

Summertime render still good. It feels like a lot happens each episode and the art is really nice. The mystery is still very engaging.

Skeleton knight is isekai comfort food. It's not anything amazing, but it's easy to watch and of passable quality.

My goodness
Watching Platinum End (12 epi's in so far)
The MC has to be one of the most annoying I've seen in a long time
He's really getting under my skin >_<

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Watched episode 1 of quit hero and it looks to be average isekai. I think it's honestly a pretty poor opening because it doesn't actually delve into the concept of show, which is rebuilding the demon army. It just shows how the main hero came to apply there and his application. Almost all the stuff covered in this episode could have been told to us later. Whether it's actually worth watching or not will have entirely to do with how they tackle the management aspect and comedy and it's just not present in the first episode. Poor choice IMO.

tbh, when I saw that, I thought it was Hero? I Quit That a Long Time Ago or whatever, which I know is getting an anime (or got an anime).

zoro-1992 posted...

My goodness
Watching Platinum End (12 epi's in so far)
The MC has to be one of the most annoying I've seen in a long time
He's really getting under my skin >_<

I'm amazed you made it that far. I've definitely noticed that my tolerance for pathetic MCs has plummeted over time. Thinking of dropping cuckoos for the same reason. Dude wanted to say something urgently but couldn't for an entire episode and I just wanted to punch him in the face.

The_Viscount posted...

tbh, when I saw that, I thought it was Hero? I Quit That a Long Time Ago or whatever, which I know is getting an anime (or got an anime).

Considering how long the titles get, they really could afford some more unique names.

Picked up Summer Wars today, looks interesting, and was only $2.

Been reading the Fate Grand Order: Learning With Manga stuff.

Haven't watched anything lately, need to find something I can get into. Or at least watch more of my backlog.

I was waiting for this episode of Tomodachi Game, when you finally start to see hints of Yuichi's true nature. Next episode will be even bigger.

keyblader1985 posted...

I was waiting for this episode of Tomodachi Game, when you finally start to see hints of Yuichi's true nature. Next episode will be even bigger.

I will say I enjoyed this episode the most so far. Focusing on the logic of the game makes the rest a lot more interesting. Gets the wheels turning a bit but it's hard to know how much I can think about things given how not logical things were in the beginning.

One thing that strikes me as odd is how they actually have so many groups. The only way to apply in the first place is to already know about the tomodachi game. The observer people act as if it's been going on for a long time. Wouldn't it make sense for the applicant in each or at least most groups to have already played a tomodachi game? Then again maybe they'll just handwave it and have the people running the game approach people they think would accept. Regardless, most games end in failure and some people end up in deeper and deeper debt making the idea of playing again more appealing. To lose you also have to have been betrayed so you'd probably be more likely to lose faith in friendships to begin with.

I wish the translator had retranslated all the rules of the current game when they showed them because I can't remember them from like 3 weeks ago. Just went back and looked and wow the game has a massive flaw in it. You can just farm the good spaces with blank cards and then lie to go back to the beginning over and over until you have zero debt. Assuming the net total of all tiles is zero, you just need to badmouth to skip over some early bad tiles and then chill with blanks. Even IF there is a traitor that just wants you to suffer, theres nothing they can do to stop you from lying and revealing it was a lie and going back to the beginning. Except I actually went back and rechecked this episode and it's different. Shitty translation I guess. In episode 2 when they introduce all the rules the penalty for getting caught lying is going back to the start (hardly a penalty at all) whereas in episode 5 it's translated as you move one space in front of the lead player. Very frustrating if I can't actually trust the rules are in fact the rules. That means the optimal strategy is to force all the 5s on one player and then everyone lie to get in front of them at the halfway point where favorable outcomes are more likely. You can also clear yourself of being the traitor at any point by writing your name and that you applied for tomodachi game and then having the lie revealed.

After thinking more, I'm less impressed but I'll probably give it the next episode as a final test to see if it can stay interesting to me.

It's another mistranslation in the rules. I just checked episode 2 and it did indeed say that getting caught in a lie puts you back to the beginning, but it never says that anywhere in the manga. It's supposed to be that having a lie proven wrong pushes you forward. It's kind of annoying that these mistranslations seem to be implying plot holes.

It's pretty surprising to me that the mistranslation made it through. It's not like it's a random rule, the correct interpretation is clearly pivotal to the conclusion of this arc so anyone that read the source would presumably know immediately that it was wrong.

In fact, I got impatient and read the next part in the manga to see if it's worth my time. A little bit of BS in the solution and a fair amount of luck in how the rule was interpreted that lie had already been ruled true and theres no reason to be certain that it could be overturned. Basically a double jeapordy issue could have arisen and caused shiho to lose. His logic for not exposing the traitor earlier makes no sense. He just as easily could say anything destructive outside of the game, it's not as if the papers were the only way to reveal a secret. Also his "extra layer of security" with the nametags was pointless. Yes, there is no upper limit on papers, but there is a lower limit, and it only ever went above the lower limit (one per person) after he had figured out the traitor. The traitor not being motivated by money could have also just given up the nametag and lied anyway not caring that they might incur more debt. We even find out the traitor isn't motivated by debt. He also got lucky on other people writing secrets when he was checking and the real traitor knew things about shiho that "should" have been impossible. If they'd had the same level of bullshit information on Yuuchi, he would have been out of luck. I did notice the two girls not having nametags in episode 5 but I didn't think about using the papers to write notes, so I guess they got that over me. Their rhetoric that this line of thinking is "evil" is a bit of a stretch though.

There was a bit of luck involved with the way that he narrowed down the traitor. Seeing how they didn't have any solid strategy to defeat them, the next best thing was to keep them in a false sense of security, and maybe come up with a plan later or see how things develop; as long as they think everything is going according to keikaku, there would be no need to play a trump card like making several confessions before it's necessary. It was a gamble that worked out.

Even I think that "lie" was a bit of a stretch though, in the way that it worked out. But it did indeed throw the game into chaos one way or another.

In general discussion, you gotta feel bad for Shibe. The man was taking L after L this game. But at least that cleared his name as a side effect.

note: keikaku means plan

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh
I finished Platinum End
I regret everything
Don't rec it/10

keyblader1985 posted...

Seeing how they didn't have any solid strategy to defeat them, the next best thing was to keep them in a false sense of security,

The strategy is easy though because he always intended to solo lose. All he needed to do was lie every round about himself with really insane lies and it'd be impossible for him to do anything except win no matter what anyone else did. You could also force the traitor to lose if you felt like it by just having everyone badmouth him every round after revealing who it was or convince everyone to lie to have everyone clear the game. Controlling 4/5s of the players is an unbeatable amount of power in that game. You can essentially do anything you want at that point.

He's also kind of dumb directly challenging the administrators. Like, they could easily just shoot him, and probably should honestly.
keyblader1985 posted...

you gotta feel bad for Shibe

Clearing him was also pretty flimsy. It stands to reason that the adminstrators would never choose to reveal that his secret was getting the money for the game. It would have ruined the game the same way that having all negative spaces would have ruined the game. It's almost certain that even if tenji had volunteered, they would have chosen a different secret. In the event that shibe had been a secret mastermind only playing dumb, he could have easily gotten away with it.

Then, something I'm kind of bummed wasn't shown was how he got shiho onto the last space. Without controlling the traitor, you'd never be able to truly guarantee that she ends up on that spot. It'd be effectively a 1 in 5 chance. It's not beyond the realm of possibility to try and force her (or anyone) to end up on that square, but it's kind of a shame that they never show us what he did to accomplish that.

Note: I am trapped in Runescape and am on my typical mid-season anime purge.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

The strategy is easy though because he always intended to solo lose.

What? I'm pretty sure Yuichi said he originally wanted everyone to go on except for the traitor.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Clearing him was also pretty flimsy. It stands to reason that the adminstrators would never choose to reveal that his secret was getting the money for the game.

No it doesn't. Once the friendships had seemingly fallen apart and people were taking the game seriously, they'd have no reason to keep that information to themselves. Even if their common enemy were revealed, it wouldn't change the situation they're currently in. They'd have nothing to gain or lose by revealing their identity, but as long as there was even the slightest chance of that happening then the traitor would never volunteer to have their secret told.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Then, something I'm kind of bummed wasn't shown was how he got shiho onto the last space. Without controlling the traitor, you'd never be able to truly guarantee that she ends up on that spot. It'd be effectively a 1 in 5 chance.

This is where you're just overthinking it. This final showdown could have gone down when Sawaragi reached any of the final few spaces. It just happened to be the very last one.