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Dancedreamer
12/02/21 8:17:35 PM
#101:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I mean, this is all inexcusable and gross, but does anyone know what happened leading up to this? Like what were they trying to arrest this guy for?

Shoplifting. He had (allegedly) stolen a toolbox.

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xp1337
12/02/21 8:23:08 PM
#102:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
but does anyone know what happened leading up to this? Like what were they trying to arrest this guy for?
If it's this story (and god help us if it's not and there was a second police fatal shooting of a man in a wheelchair in as many days) then shoplifting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/tucson-police-officer-fired-after-fatal-shooting-of-suspect/2021/
11/30/9f04310a-5245-11ec-83d2-d9dab0e23b7e_story.html

Apparently a Walmart employee believed he stole a toolbox, followed him outside and asked for a receipt. The guy is alleged to have pulled a knife and headed towards another store. I assume at this point the police were called? The officer allegedly ordered the man to drop the knife and not enter the store, but was ignored.

Tucson PD fired him for excessive use of force.

The officer's lawyer states his client "had no non-lethal options"

The Washington Post reports...
"He did have a taser, but in his mind, he couldn't use it because he didn't feel he had the proper spread to deploy it, with the wheelchair between him and Richards,"

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PrivateBiscuit1
12/02/21 8:23:43 PM
#103:


Oh come on.

I worked at Home Depot and they actively tell you not to pursue anyone who is stealing shit because they don't care and don't want you getting hurt. Lol Amazing that they just wouldn't let this person go.

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PrivateBiscuit1
12/02/21 8:28:36 PM
#104:


I guess if there's a knife involved it makes a little more sense though? But how do you not just tase them?

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TheRock1525
12/02/21 8:36:28 PM
#105:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Oh come on.

I worked at Home Depot and they actively tell you not to pursue anyone who is stealing shit because they don't care and don't want you getting hurt. Lol Amazing that they just wouldn't let this person go.

I worked at Lowes and was told the same.

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Jakyl25
12/02/21 8:36:59 PM
#106:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Just saw a horrendous video of a cop in AZ shooting a man in a wheelchair who was moving away from him in the back, unloading basically the entire magazine.

Dont recommend looking it up.

The cop shooting INTO THE STORE at him is so reckless too


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ChaosTonyV4
12/02/21 8:54:01 PM
#107:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I guess if there's a knife involved it makes a little more sense though? But how do you not just tase them?



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PrivateBiscuit1
12/02/21 9:35:32 PM
#108:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Hey Tony.

If someone is carrying a weapon I can understand lethal force a little bit more than if they were unarmed just stealing something, even if they shouldn't have anyway because it's a person in a wheel chair with just a knife. I hope that clears up your confusion.

That said, I understand it's probably difficult for someone to know the proper protocol in disarming someone in a wheelchair since I doubt they teach that in police academy (but then it sounds like there's a lot they don't teach in police academy they absolutely should). Opening fire like that is just ridiculous no matter how you slice it though.

Terrible cop who can't figure out a better solution than literally firing at a person in a wheelchair with a knife from behind in the direction of a store entrance.

The employee that called the police over a fucking toolbox is also stupid. Just tell your manager and they'll do the usual "I guess we'll keep an eye on them next time" bullshit. Unless a manager called, then that manager is also stupid because oh my god call your loss prevention team instead.

Good to hear the cop was actually fired for this though.

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PerfectChaosZ
12/02/21 9:44:22 PM
#109:


Carrying a knife? Lethal force understandable!
Carrying a rifle? Hero!
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LordoftheMorons
12/02/21 9:47:58 PM
#110:


https://twitter.com/arictoler/status/1466570869120065536?s=21

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ChaosTonyV4
12/02/21 9:56:35 PM
#111:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Hey Tony.

If someone is carrying a weapon I can understand lethal force a little bit more than if they were unarmed just stealing something, even if they shouldn't have anyway because it's a person in a wheel chair with just a knife. I hope that clears up your confusion.

Oh Im not confused at all.

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Jakyl25
12/02/21 10:36:34 PM
#112:


Open carry is legal in AZ I think

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Jakyl25
12/02/21 10:39:52 PM
#113:


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PrivateBiscuit1
12/03/21 12:12:14 PM
#114:


I don't love this.

https://twitter.com/TrackerTrial/status/1466780854009700366?t=CR7bIuaRVxkNyooxtXW94A&s=19

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GuessMyUserName
12/03/21 1:13:02 PM
#115:


Parents of the Michigan high school shooter charged with 4 counts of involuntary manslaughter

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1466818702830182402

presser:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466819872160165894
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466821363935682564
instagram
https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1466128523123310592
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1465952619822788610

  • Nov 21st a teacher sees the kid searching ammunition during class, tells administration who in turn contacts the parents, leading to voice-mail. They also send an email which again gets no response.
  • That same day, the mom text the son,"LOL. I'm not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught."
  • Nov 26th, the father, in the presence of his son, purchases a gun. There is an instagram post floating around of Ethan bragging about "my new beauty" [photo of the gun], I can't find the exact date being reported on, but the screencap says "4 days ago" which if taken from the day of the shooting would be this same day the gun is purchased.
  • Nov 30th (day of the shooting) a teacher notices a drawing on the kid's desk of a gun, a bullet, a bleeding victim, and ominous text. Parents are immediately called to the school to discuss along with the kid pulled from class.
  • Parents resist the idea of taking their child out of class for the day, not yet realizing he at this point has their gun with him. They're told he's required counselling in the next 48 hours, parents go home, kid returns to class.
  • After news gets out later that day that a shooting is taking place at the high school, at 1:22pm the mom texts her son "Ethan, don't do it."
  • 1:37pm the father contacts authorities about the gun missing from the house, alerting them that their son may be the shooter. The gun was stored in an unlocked drawer in the parents bedroom.

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DoomTheGyarados
12/03/21 1:15:42 PM
#116:


GuessMyUserName posted...
Parents of the Michigan high school shooter charged with 4 counts of involuntary manslaughter

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1466818702830182402

presser:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466819872160165894
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466821363935682564
instagram
https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1466128523123310592
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1465952619822788610

* Nov 21st a teacher sees the kid searching ammunition during class, tells administration who in turn contacts the parents, leading to voice-mail. They also send an email which again gets no response.
* That same day, the mom text the son,"LOL. I'm not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught."
* Nov 26th, the father, in the presence of his son, purchases a gun. There is an instagram post floating around of Ethan bragging about "my new beauty" [photo of the gun], I can't find the exact date being reported on, but the screencap says "4 days ago" which if taken from the day of the shooting would be this same day the gun is purchased.
* Nov 30th (day of the shooting) a teacher notices a drawing on the kid's desk of a gun, a bullet, a bleeding victim, and ominous text. Parents are immediately called to the school to discuss along with the kid pulled from class.
* Parents resist the idea of taking their child out of class for the day, not yet realizing he at this point has their gun with him. They're told he's required counselling in the next 48 hours, parents go home, kid returns to class.
* After news gets out later that day that a shooting is taking place at the high school, at 1:22pm the mom texts her son "Ethan, don't do it."
* 1:37pm the father contacts authorities about the gun missing from the house, alerting them that their son may be the shooter. The gun was stored in an unlocked drawer in the parents bedroom.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

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FFDragon
12/03/21 2:01:48 PM
#117:


I am 100% behind negligent parenting being a serious crime

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Jakyl25
12/03/21 2:21:04 PM
#118:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I don't love this.

https://twitter.com/TrackerTrial/status/1466780854009700366?t=CR7bIuaRVxkNyooxtXW94A&s=19

Honestly the only surprise there is Chelsea Clinton

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GuessMyUserName
12/03/21 2:27:52 PM
#119:


https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1466820558121840645
https://twitter.com/clamontw/status/1466192303559643139

The gun was indeed purchased for the child as an early Christmas present, as per the mother's own social media post.

Mom & son day testing out his new Xmas present. My first time shooting a 9mm I hit the bullseye.

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LordoftheMorons
12/03/21 2:30:08 PM
#120:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I don't love this.

https://twitter.com/TrackerTrial/status/1466780854009700366?t=CR7bIuaRVxkNyooxtXW94A&s=19
Are these people all being alleged to have actually participated in abuse along with Epstein or is it just people that associated with him? Obviously some of those people did, but without specific evidence (or even allegations) I wouldnt assume that everyone a pedophile associates with is another pedophile. I dont even think its likely to be the case for Trump!

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PrivateBiscuit1
12/03/21 2:40:58 PM
#122:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Are these people all being alleged to have actually participated in abuse along with Epstein or is it just people that associated with him? Obviously some of those people did, but without specific evidence (or even allegations) I wouldnt assume that everyone a pedophile associates with is another pedophile. I dont even think its likely to be the case for Trump!
Epstein's black book is his personal contact information book. I hear Jay-Z was on it too. It's not confirmed everyone there did anything untoward, and if they did it very much might turn up in this trial.

The fact they're in his personal black book is not a good sign though for what may come out about them though.

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GuessMyUserName
12/03/21 2:48:35 PM
#123:


it's a book that no doubt includes a bunch of pedophiles (I mean yeah Prince Andrew's right there), but yeah also just other contacts as well so it's still a matter of figuring out which ones are nefarious

totally prepared to launch any of 'em into the sun though!

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LordoftheMorons
12/03/21 3:12:49 PM
#124:


Yeah anyone who did anything similar to what Epstein did is of course completely irredeemable; I just heavily doubt Chelsea Clinton was doing that!

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DeepsPraw
12/03/21 3:29:30 PM
#125:


I have to imagine many of them had knowledge of what was happening though.

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ChaosTonyV4
12/03/21 3:30:41 PM
#126:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Yeah anyone who did anything similar to what Epstein did is of course completely irredeemable; I just heavily doubt Chelsea Clinton was doing that!



https://www.insider.com/maxwell-avoided-deposition-went-to-chelsea-clintons-wedding-lawyers-say-2020-10

I mean this doesnt prove anything, but its very funny.

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PrivateBiscuit1
12/03/21 3:46:46 PM
#127:


Vile

https://twitter.com/TrackerTrial/status/1466869339529826308?t=Cp7-XK-brnct72gtaN9zLA&s=19

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Paratroopa1
12/03/21 4:37:19 PM
#128:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I don't love this.

https://twitter.com/TrackerTrial/status/1466780854009700366?t=CR7bIuaRVxkNyooxtXW94A&s=19
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PrivateBiscuit1
12/03/21 5:22:41 PM
#129:


Paratroopa1 posted...
You seem to really like getting your information from incredibly sketchy sources on twitter.
So far it seems like the ONLY source on Twitter that's giving information about the trial. If you have a better source, direct me to it and I'll gladly follow that instead.

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PrivateBiscuit1
12/03/21 5:29:15 PM
#130:


I did a bit of sleuthing and eventually found this guy also covering it, and going in better detail even. I'll probably follow it through him now.

https://twitter.com/innercitypress?t=YTtq1T6oRWsaHCvvPugLpw&s=09

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kevwaffles
12/03/21 5:31:06 PM
#131:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
So far it seems like the ONLY source on Twitter that's giving information about the trial. If you have a better source, direct me to it and I'll gladly follow that instead.

Most of the what that account is saying cites articles from the site in their bio, which I don't want to click on to check.

Edit: Your new source seems more reliable, but I'm not (yet) seeing the stuff the other account was talking about.
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Mr Lasastryke
12/03/21 5:56:14 PM
#132:


if a bad source is the only source that reports on a thing, you should, you know, ignore the source and wait for a better source to report on said thing. not link to the bad source and present it as fact.

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PrivateBiscuit1
12/03/21 6:22:20 PM
#133:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
if a bad source is the only source that reports on a thing, you should, you know, ignore the source and wait for a better source to report on said thing. not link to the bad source and present it as fact.
Pretty sure we've all been guilty of having done this unintentionally, MJ.

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Leafeon13N
12/03/21 6:29:00 PM
#134:


The bad source began its life complaining about how the media was not covering the trial like it covered the Rittenhouse trial alongside the mention that the media was allowed into one trial and not the other.

Then it went on to beg for someone inside the court to leak it info.
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Paratroopa1
12/03/21 6:30:25 PM
#135:


It's better to wait for factual reporting than to rely on far-right conspiracy theory twitter
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kevwaffles
12/03/21 8:25:22 PM
#136:


Paratroopa1 posted...
It's better to wait for factual reporting than to rely on far-right conspiracy theory twitter

Tbf there was a lot of discussion on it before you spoke up.
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PrivateBiscuit1
12/03/21 8:28:53 PM
#137:


For real guys, if I have a shit source just tell me. I'm clearly not as plugged in on what is a right wing scam as you guys are. I don't mind being told my source isn't great and finding a new one. I'm not here to knowingly spread bullshit.

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kevwaffles
12/03/21 8:33:46 PM
#138:


As a general piece of advice, check their bio and follow up sources (often in follow up tweets) if they're saying something no one else is.

In this case you're not the only sucker, and not just here. The replies don't indicate a particular niche or fringe following.
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Mr Lasastryke
12/03/21 8:37:49 PM
#139:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
For real guys, if I have a shit source just tell me. I'm clearly not as plugged in on what is a right wing scam as you guys are. I don't mind being told my source isn't great and finding a new one. I'm not here to knowingly spread bullshit.

the point is that if you see an exclusive news story and you're not sure how valid the source is, you could (and should imo) choose to not post it and wait until a more credible source picks up on it. we're not interested in hot scoops, we just want to know the facts.

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Forceful_Dragon
12/03/21 8:47:11 PM
#140:


Eh, I'm fair with a scoop being posted, provide it is labeled or prefaced appropriately.

"Still waiting for more information/validation from a stronger source, but currently this is being said" seems fine?

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Mr Lasastryke
12/03/21 8:51:33 PM
#141:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Eh, I'm fair with a scoop being posted, provide it is labeled or prefaced appropriately.

"Still waiting for more information/validation from a stronger source, but currently this is being said" seems fine?

i prefer not posting it at all but yeah, this is fine too. just don't dump the scoop in this topic as if it's necessarily 100% factual. that's not helpful.

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kevwaffles
12/03/21 8:56:57 PM
#142:


I mean if we need to be 100% sure it's factual then we shouldn't even post anything.
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ChaosTonyV4
12/03/21 8:59:14 PM
#143:


https://twitter.com/mrtoodamnchris/status/1466833937586659333?s=21

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Mr Lasastryke
12/03/21 9:00:51 PM
#144:


kevwaffles posted...
I mean if we need to be 100% sure it's factual then we shouldn't even post anything.

pretty sure you get what i'm saying and you're just being pedantic for no reason. a story posted by reuters is probably more credible than a story posted by whatever the fuck "maxwell trial tracker" is.

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kevwaffles
12/03/21 9:18:53 PM
#145:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
pretty sure you get what i'm saying and you're just being pedantic for no reason. a story posted by reuters is probably more credible than a story posted by whatever the fuck "maxwell trial tracker" is.

The reason is that it's okay to tone it back a bit. And I don't even think you're disagreeing with that.
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ChaosTonyV4
12/04/21 12:55:56 AM
#146:


https://twitter.com/trueanonpod/status/1466827329276162053?s=21

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Seanchan
12/04/21 7:33:05 AM
#147:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://twitter.com/trueanonpod/status/1466827329276162053?s=21

It's not showing the initial tweet for me without going to Twitter:

Ghislaines lawyer read Minor Victim 1s real name out loud immediately after smugly reassuring the judge they would remember she was anonymous and declaring theyd blacked out every instance of her name on the document he was holding.

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FFDragon
12/04/21 3:37:38 PM
#148:


https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1467138576697724932?s=20

galaxy brain take right here

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DoomTheGyarados
12/04/21 3:41:06 PM
#149:


Well fuck now I have brain cancer

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Xeybozn
12/04/21 4:03:47 PM
#150:


What I'm getting from that comparison is that even if we invent a vaccine that prevents every kind of cancer, we'll still have to deal with idiots refusing it because they have a right to get cancer dammit.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/04/21 4:16:30 PM
#151:


Cancer is not contagious and transmitted by getting too close to other people.

She does know that right?

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