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HeroDelTiempo17
12/08/21 9:52:45 AM
#302:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
Even if Rittenhouse is genuinely racist, just that isn't an offense that could get you incarcerated.

incredible insight

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Peace___Frog
12/08/21 9:58:35 AM
#303:


(White) Pittsburgh man convicted of planting bombs downtown during the protests last year, which the bomb squad ruled could have been deadly.

Three years probation.

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masterplum
12/08/21 10:49:33 AM
#304:


Peace___Frog posted...
(White) Pittsburgh man convicted of planting bombs downtown during the protests last year, which the bomb squad ruled could have been deadly.

Three years probation.

Probation sounds like a plea down. The law, for better or for worse, is very results oriented. Driving while drunk and killing someone in an accident and driving while drunk and ramming a parked car have massively different sentences when literally the only difference is if someone happened to be sitting in the car or not which is completely independent of the act.

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NFUN
12/08/21 12:00:24 PM
#305:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
listen sir, wang taught me that being drunk makes your posts completely immune from criticism
my mistake. have a good day

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ChaosTonyV4
12/08/21 12:33:33 PM
#306:


https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1468450557165809669?s=21

Hahahahathis sucks.

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HeroDelTiempo17
12/08/21 12:43:04 PM
#307:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1468450557165809669?s=21

Hahahahathis sucks.

Don't you see though? This is fine. 30 D votes in a 50/50 Senate means that 3/5ths of the Democratic party is progressive!

We simply have to elect more Democrat Senators. Once all 100 seats are under D control, progressives will 60 votes! And finally, with the mandate of the voters on their side they can overcome the fillibuster and enact good policy.

apologies for the redsox tier joke post but humor is my coping mechanism

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DoomTheGyarados
12/08/21 12:55:02 PM
#308:


actually it said the vast majority of republicans so some did not, so dems didnt get 30 I imagine?

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Xeybozn
12/08/21 12:57:25 PM
#309:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1468450557165809669?s=21

Hahahahathis sucks.

I don't know why you would expect voters' opinions to have much impact on this. Foreign policy in general has a relatively low impact on who US voters decide to support, and this is a niche issue even in that sphere.
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GuessMyUserName
12/08/21 1:06:12 PM
#310:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
actually it said the vast majority of republicans so some did not, so dems didnt get 30 I imagine?

The votes:
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=117&session=1&vote=00484

scanning it through Excel I get



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ChaosTonyV4
12/08/21 1:17:45 PM
#311:


Xeybozn posted...
I don't know why you would expect voters' opinions to have much impact on this. Foreign policy in general has a relatively low impact on who US voters decide to support, and this is a niche issue even in that sphere.

I dont know why youre framing it this way.

Even if voter opinion was in favor of this, it still sucks shit that the Biden admin is taking actions with overwhelming Republican support despite majority Democratic disagreementdoubly so for it being a fuckin weapons deal to the Saudis.

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HeroicCrono
12/08/21 1:19:57 PM
#312:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
I dont know why youre framing it this way.

Even if voter opinion was in favor of this, it still sucks shit that the Biden admin is passing bills with overwhelming Republican support despite majority Democratic disagreementdoubly so for it being a fuckin weapons deal to the Saudis.

They didn't pass a bill. This was a bill to stop Biden from proceeding with the deal, which is apparently allowed under existing law.

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ChaosTonyV4
12/08/21 1:25:13 PM
#313:


HeroicCrono posted...
They didn't pass a bill. This was a bill to stop Biden from proceeding with the deal, which is apparently allowed under existing law.

Replace passing bills with taking actions, considering this failed you know what I meant.

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GuessMyUserName
12/08/21 2:30:08 PM
#314:


in more dumb media takes

https://twitter.com/henryolsenEPPC/status/1468434164613623814

I love when I can't tell if rich American columnists are more clueless on non-American lifestyles or the actual average American

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xp1337
12/08/21 6:30:17 PM
#315:


Over in GA, Perdue is saying he wants to eliminate the state income tax. When asked how to pay for it he deflects and goes (paraphrased) "I dunno, it's aspirational. I'll leave the details to the state legislature."

So when the Republican State House Appropriations Chair was asked about it, he was pretty blunt in the assessment of how you would have to pay for that to compensate for the loss in income: Eliminate K-12 education or institute a 17% state sales tax.

https://twitter.com/Emma_Hurt/status/1468598369291546634

because the only way to be sure kids aren't being taught crt is to make sure kids aren't taught at all

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Leafeon13N
12/08/21 6:32:57 PM
#316:


xp1337 posted...
because the only way to be sure kids aren't being taught crt is to make sure kids aren't taught at all
This is a win for Republicans.
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ChaosTonyV4
12/08/21 6:34:19 PM
#317:


Related to an earlier discussion, lol:

https://twitter.com/liz_franczak/status/1468655663693934728?s=21

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Paratroopa1
12/08/21 6:43:59 PM
#318:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Related to an earlier discussion, lol:

https://twitter.com/liz_franczak/status/1468655663693934728?s=21
yeah

please check your twitter sources guys, like just give it a quick runthrough and try to use some common sense judgment, all I ask for
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masterplum
12/08/21 8:10:59 PM
#319:


xp1337 posted...
Over in GA, Perdue is saying he wants to eliminate the state income tax. When asked how to pay for it he deflects and goes (paraphrased) "I dunno, it's aspirational. I'll leave the details to the state legislature."

So when the Republican State House Appropriations Chair was asked about it, he was pretty blunt in the assessment of how you would have to pay for that to compensate for the loss in income: Eliminate K-12 education or institute a 17% state sales tax.

https://twitter.com/Emma_Hurt/status/1468598369291546634

because the only way to be sure kids aren't being taught crt is to make sure kids aren't taught at all

This feels kind of insane? Im guessing other states do it through property taxes?

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xp1337
12/08/21 9:03:57 PM
#320:


Time for our favorite party game: Guess Those Senators:

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1468754547485319168

Senate voted 52-48 to repeal Biden's vaccine mandate for private employers. It goes to the House where idk it probably dies, but it'd be vetoed even if it passed it somehow.

Obviously all 50 Republicans voted to repeal so who were the two Dems?

Manchin and Tester

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Dancedreamer
12/08/21 9:08:19 PM
#321:


Can't Biden just... Veto that resolution? I'm not sure how this all works.

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xp1337
12/08/21 9:11:16 PM
#322:


Dancedreamer posted...
Can't Biden just... Veto that resolution? I'm not sure how this all works.
Yeah. Though this resolution originated in the Senate so it goes to the House first and would have pass there before even getting to Biden.

It almost certainly dies in the House because I'm pretty sure Pelosi can kill it the way McConnell killed things in the Senate simply by never bringing it to a vote. While the House has discharge petitions that could circumvent that I'd basically stake my life that Dems don't vote for that the same way Republicans like Collins would wring their hands about the filibuster being in the way of stuff they "totally would support" if it ever came to a vote.

But even supposing it got voted on somehow and passed the House, yes, Biden could simply veto it - and the White House has already said it would.

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Dancedreamer
12/08/21 9:38:28 PM
#323:


So it's basically pointless posturing to say "We did something!"

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LordoftheMorons
12/08/21 9:42:21 PM
#324:


We did something to try and ensure that you have the right to endanger yourself and your community without facing any consequences; please vote for us!

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Dancedreamer
12/08/21 9:43:14 PM
#325:


LordoftheMorons posted...
without facing any consequences

Well I wouldn't say no consequences. There's always the chance they get Covid and win a Herman Cain award.

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turbopuns3
12/09/21 3:07:17 AM
#326:


here ya go.

keep in mind this was completely unscripted talking so there is a time or two I said something false or contradictory and just didn't catch myself in the moment. I ain't perfect (obviously) but I did this because I do care and I don't want there to be any uncertainty about that

still disagreements I am sure but anyway

oh and sorry for the off-center, I wasn't paying attention. and also ignore those YT subscriptions, I literally only use this account to post videos on B8 and I don't even recall what any of those channels even are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-6llTmK_e0
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StealThisSheen
12/09/21 3:42:43 AM
#327:


Okay, so I watched the first like 20 minutes and then skipped around, but I'm just going to say right now what the problem seems to be almost immediately.

We can't see into your head. We can literally only respond to what you type. So when you say stuff like "You're reading too far into it" or "I don't even think X, I just said Y," that is context we cannot have. So when you say X dumb/offensive/insulting/whatever thing, and your next several replies just continue to be very flippant, dismissive, and so on, then yes, we're obviously going to read into X, because you never clarified that you didn't actually mean X until much later. That was a very constant theme throughout both arguments. You'd type X, you'd kinda ramble on in replies rather dismissively, and then you'd bounce. It's kinda like walking into a bar full of Philadelphia Eagles fans, saying out loud "Eagles are shit," not actually clarifying whatever you actually meant by that until sometime later, and then wondering why the rest of the people in the bar are pissed at you and keep bringing up the "shit" comment.

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Kenri
12/09/21 4:09:12 AM
#328:


StealThisSheen posted...
It's kinda like walking into a bar full of Philadelphia Eagles fans, saying out loud "Eagles are shit," not actually clarifying whatever you actually meant by that until sometime later, and then wondering why the rest of the people in the bar are pissed at you and keep bringing up the "shit" comment.
*Robert Downey Jr meme* He hates birds of prey of the family Accipitridae

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Mr Lasastryke
12/09/21 4:52:18 AM
#329:


i'm 27 minutes in and here's one thing i want to comment on, in addition to what SEP said. you said you made the "how many comedy shows have you been to" post to make the point that if you see a lot of bad comedians, you appreciate the good ones more. i'm still not entirely sure why you made that point - maybe you were responding to "chappelle's jokes were not funny" post by saying that he's a lot funnier than amateur comedians? even then, i don't think anyone in the topic was arguing that chappelle is a bad comedian in general. they just thought the jokes about trans people weren't funny. still, with this added context, your post does make a little more sense. your post is kind of socratic method-ish (i loathe the socratic method so that's already a problem) and you didn't explain why you asked the question at all in the post itself, so it seems to be completely random. i remember when you made it at the time and being like "what does this have to do with anything?"

in fairness, not providing proper context and/or a proper explanation is a problem with a lot of people's posts in this topic. this is why i get really pissed off at something like kevwaffles saying "lasa, tony is completely right!" like, if you read the tony/me debate and think tony is on point and i'm full of shit, that's totally fine. you might be right. but why? if you explain your reasoning, we can have a conversation about this and i might learn something. but what the fuck is the point of just saying something like "tony is soooo right"? you shouldn't post at all if you're not going to put any effort of explaining yourself into your post. like SEP said, i can't look into your head, so i have no idea why you think tony is right and i'm wrong.

i think a lot of conflict in this topic could be avoided if people put in a little more effort into their posts, instead of just lazily dropping their streams of consciousness in here.

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Mr Lasastryke
12/09/21 5:34:03 AM
#330:


i'm further into the video now.

the "mr. garrison gets a sex change" thing is a south park thing.

got to the part where you're responding to my post. regarding "i didn't say i was more embarrassed to be on the left" - it wasn't meant to be a direct quote (though i can see how the quotation marks made it seem that way). i was paraphrasing. that being said, you did say "it's becoming a greater and greater embarrassment to associate with the majority of that side," which i don't think is too far off from my paraphrase? not sure why you're acting like i was wildly misquoting you here.

kind of disappointed you didn't respond at all to the second part of my post, which i thought was far more important. you just read it aloud and then... went on to the next post >_>

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Mr Lasastryke
12/09/21 5:59:29 AM
#331:


uh yeah, i'm really not on board with validating wang's argument. a bad post is a bad post. i'm not going to spend a ton of time thinking "but WHY did this person make this bad post?" every single time someone makes a bad post.

also, wang is the last person i want to hear this argument from, since he's never given me the SLIGHTEST bit of this kind of benefit of the doubt over the years. in the gamergate topics, he would bash me into the ground for getting the most minute shit wrong, even though i'm probably better versed in GG shit than 99% of the board.

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ChaosTonyV4
12/09/21 12:45:48 PM
#332:


Its been awhile since I posted about Bernie:

https://twitter.com/cascamike/status/1468985159101865991?s=21

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Hardcore_Adult
12/09/21 12:48:00 PM
#333:


No.10 Downing St. Should be called be the Big Top.


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Suprak the Stud
12/09/21 12:48:25 PM
#334:


AOC at -10 is tragic. Manchin is only a -7.

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DoomTheGyarados
12/09/21 12:49:54 PM
#335:


Curious to hear from the 6% who love the Cuomo brothers still


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MoogleKupo141
12/09/21 12:54:23 PM
#336:


what percentage of the country is Italian

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Forceful_Dragon
12/09/21 1:20:03 PM
#337:


Suprak the Stud posted...
AOC at -10 is tragic. Manchin is only a -7.

TBH, we live in a representative democracy and we should approve/disapprove of a politicians performance based upon how well they represent their constituents.

I don't live there so it would be unfair of me to disapprove of the elected representative for Alabama District 4 provided they were adequately representing their voters. And the fact that Aderholt still carries 80% of his district after 20+ years in congress would indicate that they are clearly satisfied with his performance. It is no surprise that the values of his district (which is incredibly rural, it's largest city of Gadsen only has a population of about 34,000) do not align with my own.

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KamikazePotato
12/09/21 3:28:29 PM
#338:


AOC is probably the GOP's most hated person right now so the negative score is not too surprising.

Real stunner is DeSantis doing so well.

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red13n
12/09/21 11:27:42 PM
#339:


KamikazePotato posted...


Real stunner is DeSantis doing so well.

The way the media has covered COVID you would think Florida was a beacon of success.

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xp1337
12/10/21 10:52:35 PM
#340:


So Meadows (then Trump's Chief of Staff) had/was in possession of a PowerPoint on 1/5 that was trying to gameplan 1/6 options. Reporting claims it was shared with some GOP Senators and Congresspeople on 1/4.

https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1468989737490911232

It recommended, among other things: Declaring a National Security Emergency by claiming there was foreign influence on voting machines (there's a Pepe Silva-esque slide tying China to Smartmatic, Biden, and Kamala), and just declare all electronic voting invalid.

Also went over the ways Pence could interfere on 1/6 to either delay or overturn Biden's certification but that was all kinda known a long time ago.

Another slide where they just arbitrarily claim 8% of votes were switched from Trump to Biden and they show the "corrected" percentages with a highlighted "TRUMP WINS!" note on it.

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Kenri
12/11/21 12:37:40 AM
#341:


Kinda sad we didn't get the comedy option where all electronic voting is declared invalid but that just increases Biden's lead

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red13n
12/11/21 12:42:51 AM
#342:


I believe every state except NJ that uses electronic voting is a red state.

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masterplum
12/11/21 8:32:59 AM
#343:


KamikazePotato posted...
AOC is probably the GOP's most hated person right now so the negative score is not too surprising.

Real stunner is DeSantis doing so well.

Honestly I was a big Desantis fan before the pandemic. He was pro environment for instance here in Florida.

Then he got insane which was a real bummer, but its possible some of that earlier shine was still on him for people who didnt care about his virus actions

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HaRRicH
12/11/21 10:00:43 AM
#344:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
in the gamergate topics, he would bash me into the ground for getting the most minute shit wrong, even though i'm probably better versed in GG shit than 99% of the board.

Speaking of which, is Gamergate even around anymore? I've been watching some retrospectives of that and it seems like it's disappeared, but I'm not really confident in that.

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LinkMarioSamus
12/11/21 10:34:59 AM
#345:


I barely understand what the heck GG actually is.

Also as far as Mr. Rittenhouse is concerned, I think the problem is that there has been a long-standing issue surrounding non-white criminals typically getting treated worse than white criminals and that him being acquitted of wrongdoing just gives more people license to go on vigilante killings against non-white criminals.

I mean, George Floyd was a criminal of some sort, right? And the whole reason he became a martyr was because he got disproportionately bad treatment by the police in a way that likely wouldn't have happened if he was white? This whole situation stinks to high heaven.

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Maniac64
12/11/21 11:44:32 AM
#346:


Kenri posted...
Kinda sad we didn't get the comedy option where all electronic voting is declared invalid but that just increases Biden's lead
I imagine someone pointed that out and they ditched that idea.

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ChaosTonyV4
12/11/21 12:33:31 PM
#347:


https://twitter.com/leftistwonk/status/1469429308607320066?s=21



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FFDragon
12/11/21 12:42:14 PM
#348:


lmao they are going to get fucking massacred in midterms

what clowns

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PerfectChaosZ
12/11/21 12:45:39 PM
#349:


Democrats just pretend to be the counterpoint. They dont actually want to be in power. Theyre rich too! Republicans in power benefits them way more and theyre doing everything but basically out right saying that.
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DoomTheGyarados
12/11/21 12:48:44 PM
#350:


I can wholly suggest everyone play Final Fantasy XIV. It's really a great experience and takes your head away from the crushing reality that our country is a failure.

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GuessMyUserName
12/11/21 12:55:42 PM
#351:


all the hype on Endwalker which I'm totally feeling has kinda made me wanna go through FF11

which apparently has a free returning campaign in a few days... and I do have an old account I used for 2 minutes and never again

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