Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 379: Kabulshit

(+) Yeah! (+)

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Would the term decriminalized on a possession level be more fitting? You know how I am, I machine gun most of my posts in this topic because I am largely dead inside.

Yes.

Though i dont oppose some form of mandatory referrals to mental health services and similar to allow enforcement without being as punitive.

Leafeon13N posted...

Yes.

Though i dont oppose some form of mandatory referrals to mental health services and similar to allow enforcement without being as punitive.

And also a lot of funding for our mental health services while we are at it?

I like this

---

https://www.al.com/news/2021/09/alabama-pickers-couple-known-for-reselling-and-vaccine-opposition-both-dead-of-covid.html

No comment

---

No socialism, but please pay for all this stuff we cant afford.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Drugs should be legal. Like drinking is. Just because you can have a problem with a substance doesn't mean it needs to be illegal. Legalize it, tax it, use money from enforcement on other things.

I take it you and all the "drugs r gr8 legalize crystel meth!!!!1" crew don't live anywhere near a city that is experiencing high rates of drug abuse, and low rates of them getting taken off the street because your government doesn't believe in punishing criminals.

The sheer amount of drug addicts harassing, assault and robbing people blind in Canada is out of control, and the government refuses to even acknowledge the issue. If anything, drug laws for hard drugs should be MORE strict, as clearly just letting these people do whatever they want is clearly not working.

---

Also, not a single person who admitted they have no problem with drug addicts has yet to raise an argument as to how that doesn't make them a complete hypocrite

---

There were actually several arguments, but atleast you're finally admitting you can't actually read. Hope you get the help you need.

---

here's an argument for why this doesn't make them a complete hypocrite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

---

People feel sorry for drug addicts because drugs are, you know, addictive. Stupidity and ignorance are not.

---

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I take it you and all the "drugs r gr8 legalize crystel meth!!!!1" crew don't live anywhere near a city that is experiencing high rates of drug abuse, and low rates of them getting taken off the street because your government doesn't believe in punishing criminals.

The level of ignorance in this comment is staggering.

The point is to transfer the drug war away from punishment and into treatment, which is more effective at making the streets safe

Save the punishment for real crimes

---

CHRIS HAYES (HOST): Then there are the benefits for right-wing media machine. I want you to listen to this quote very closely. One Fox News insider succinctly described the anti-COVID mandate segments and vaccine resistant commentary as quote, great for ratings. Another current Fox employee said the numbers clearly demonstrate that there are vanishingly fewer subjects these days that get "our viewers more excited or engaged than" those kinds of segments. I'm sure it's probably true. They kind of know what they're doing over there. The issue rates, so that's why leaning into it, despite the fact that it might get their own viewers sick or killed. Despite the fact that Fox News has a vaccine requirement itself. Their own human resources department said earlier this month "90% of full-time employees reported they are fully vaccinated" after the company, wait for it, mandated everyone to report their vaccination status. Oh, my god, that's a private decision, how dare they.

And they would soon be introducing daily testing for those who are still unvaccinated. Daily testing, that is five times as onerous as the policy Joe Biden proposed that unvaccinated workers be tested weekly. The policy they are railing against day in and day out and calling tyranny. Notice by the way they don't call out their employer, they could if they had any courage. If you think it's tyranny, you could do that on air, but you won't. And I am willing to bet you that nearly all those people who go on air every night and rail against it, they are vaccinated, their loved ones are vaccinated.

They're selling this poison because it is profitable for them. And they truly do not care, I mean I don't know what's in their hearts but their revealed preference, all I can judge is their actions -- do not seem to care if people who watch them get killed as a result. And yes, there are actual human beings taking their last breaths with a plastic tube down their throat while they say goodbye to loved ones over iPad, entire universes of memories and life experiences snuffed out forever but guess what, it's great for ratings.

Jesus, he laid into them.

---

good explanation of people like tucker being worthless pieces of shit.

almost makes you retroactively appreciate the honesty of people like bolsonaro. at least he evidently wasn't bullshitting when he said he wasn't going to get vaccinated.

---

I still remember when Fox News freaked out over four cases of Ebola.

---

Dancedreamer posted...

I still remember when Fox News freaked out over four cases of Ebola.

That happened under Obama, right?

---

https://youtu.be/uASzNUFT5Dk

Good ep

---

https://twitter.com/AC360/status/1443024281714237444?s=20

Sinema is the woOoOoOoOoOOrst.

---

Suprak the Stud posted...

https://twitter.com/AC360/status/1443024281714237444?s=20

Sinema is the woOoOoOoOoOOrst.

Manchin will be the 51st vote on pretty much anything that matters.

Sinema is just a piece of shit.

They are both pieces of shit lets not give either too much credit.

But at least Manchin's is somewhat justified being from fucking West Virginia.

Sinema has no excuse.

---

https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1443620670173241344?s=21

Who could have possibly foreseen that the vast majority of people who claimed they would quit their job over a vaccine mandate were full of shit

---

Oh man I actually have hope that progressives are going to tell the senate to go fuck itself I am a little hyped

---

This is a golden opportunity for Republicans. Step in and offer to pass the infrastructure bill and debt ceiling increase. You could do it with only a few moderate Dems voting for it. Then leave the reconciliation to die on the vine.

---

LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1443620670173241344?s=21

Who could have possibly foreseen that the vast majority of people who claimed they would quit their job over a vaccine mandate were full of shit

It's insane literally any of them exist. Idiots.

---

red sox 777 posted...

This is a golden opportunity for Republicans. Step in and offer to pass the infrastructure bill and debt ceiling increase. You could do it with only a few moderate Dems voting for it. Then leave the reconciliation to die on the vine.

That would require them to want to pass anything, which they won't do so long as a Democrat is in the White House. They know voters are idiots and believe anything that happens in government is entirely on Biden. They only want him getting blame, not credit.

---

Corrik7 posted...

It's insane literally any of them exist. Idiots.

Most likely these are mostly people who are financially stable and were thinking about retiring anyway.

---

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Oh man I actually have hope that progressives are going to tell the senate to go fuck itself I am a little hyped

I think Pelosi is going to have to call off the vote, Jayapal isn't going to bend on this I don't think and she likely has 20+ votes which is more than enough to kill it. FWIW, all the pressure the impending vote caused got Manchin to at least give a framework and even if I'm supremely unhappy that reconciliation is looking like it's going to get gutted down to like the $2.1-2.3t range it seems like the talks are back on instead of stalled and maybe even dead. So from that standpoint this whole theater has been productive, but yeah, vote has to be postponed at this juncture I think.

But it was always Sinema holding this up. I actually suspect that if Manchin were the only problem here, his statements over the past 24 hours would be enough to get the CPC to move forward here. Manchin is an asshole but he's an asshole that can be worked with (and while I don't think he's ever publicly said it, it's clear his goal is to gut the climate provisions which... I mean in an ideal world should be a dealbreaker but the reality is it means there's 51 votes against them so we're going to just be fucked either way.) But Sinema? lmfao no one trusts her. Progressives are right to hold the line without assurances from her - and hell assurances aren't enough with her, they really do need the vote.

Centrists have been acting in such bad faith this entire time. Like I've always been conflicted on the pragmatic matter of "Well, do we just take this because something is marginally better than nothing and the alternative very well looks like both deals blow up?" but that's the exact sentiment that the centrist faction has been playing on to fuel their bad faith bullshit this entire time because it's always been clear their play has been to play to that and roll over the progressives and you know, fuck it. You have to take a stand here.

GOP actually would be smart to try and provide the votes in the House to pass this even over a CPC defection but McCarthy is whipping against the bill and while you would 100% see a dozen or so jump onto the ship once it became clear it was passing, they won't do that until there are 218 Dems voting for it. Wouldn't kill reconciliation I don't think but it would really undermine any power and leverage progressives have in the negotiations moving forward and basically give Manchin all the power... more than he already has, that is.

---

Inviso posted...

That would require them to want to pass anything, which they won't do so long as a Democrat is in the White House. They know voters are idiots and believe anything that happens in government is entirely on Biden. They only want him getting blame, not credit.

If the reconciliation bill passes and taxes go way up, their constituents are going to be very unhappy though. The Republicans hold 50 out of 100 seats in the Senate and are only a few seats short of a majority in the House. With those numbers, I would expect them to be able to block a $3.5 trillion tax and spend package from passing. Under McConnell's leadership we've seen them achieve far more than that with fewer seats.

If taxes end up going way up, I think voters are going to be quite unhappy that the Republicans let it happen because they absolutely insisted on zero compromise whatsoever, pushing the moderate Dems into the arms of the far left people. Instead of say, letting Susan Collins and Joe Manchin go off into a conference room and come back with an agreement that ensures taxes don't go up and the left go into fits of screaming.

---

Anddddd Pelosi called it off. Good on Jayapal and the Congressional Progressive Caucus for staying strong on this.

Manchin staying in DC over the weekend too so he might actually be serious this time. Sinema idk.

---

banananor posted...

The level of ignorance in this comment is staggering.

The point is to transfer the drug war away from punishment and into treatment, which is more effective at making the streets safe

Save the punishment for real crimes

Jail is treatment, and getting them to just stop doing drugs is the only treatment. Why waste tax dollars on wishy-washy "feel good" theories like "cure them with hugs and kisses" when throwing them in the slammer is proven and effective. Things didn't start going downhill in Canada until bill C-75 was passed which put into effect "catch and release" programs. Get them off the streets so they can stop terrorizing old people and stealing bicycles and get them off the drugs. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone. The war on drugs failed because they focused on weed which is pretty much harmless. Seeing governments actually taking drug related crime seriously would be a welcome change of pace.

---

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Jail is treatment, and getting them to just stop doing drugs is the only treatment. Why waste tax dollars on wishy-washy "feel good" theories like "cure them with hugs and kisses" when throwing them in the slammer is proven and effective.

Studies have proven time and time again this is not true.

---

Kavanaugh has covid:

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1443927733579419655?s=21

(Hes vaccinated and apparently asymptomatic as of now)

---

Um, yay?

This topic almost makes me want to check on Dave Cullen. Then whenever I do the TITLES of his videos repulse me, like accusing Australia's government of becoming totalitarian. Uh.

---

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/30/politics/adl-kamala-harris-israel-funding/index.html

"It is hateful to call a genocide a genocide."

You love to see it.

---

it's wild that the hot water Harris has to deal with in that article is... that she wasn't defending genocide strongly enough

---

TUCKER CARLSON: How is it like drunk driving? How do unvaccinated people hurt anybody? Hey, [NJ Gov.] Phil Murphy, got a second? We've got some time. Why don't you explain that to us?

He said this with a straight face.

---

GuessMyUserName posted...

it's wild that the hot water Harris has to deal with in that article is... that she wasn't defending genocide strongly enough

Yeah I was not expecting the article to go that way lol. Her response is such a nothing and neutral statement that it's kind of funny.

---

https://twitter.com/frankfigliuzzi1/status/1444008189159165955?s=21

---

TheRock1525 posted...

TUCKER CARLSON: How is it like drunk driving? How do unvaccinated people hurt anybody? Hey, [NJ Gov.] Phil Murphy, got a second? We've got some time. Why don't you explain that to us?

It pisses me off when people say this.

One of my relatives couldn't get into the ICU because of COVID. She was vaccinated. But she had a lung disease (caused by Rheumatoid Arthritis) , and needed treatment. Unfortunately, it was too late. By the time they admitted her to the ICU for treatment, they couldn't give her the treatment anymore. All because a bunch of assholes refused to get vaccinated and ended up taking up space in the ICU. Further, she wasn't able to spend many of her last days with her family because of Covid Restrictions caused by a raise in Covid Cases in the area, caused by people not getting vaccinated. I really hate Tucker Carlson, and wish only terrible things to happen to him for spreading this bullshit.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/30/politics/adl-kamala-harris-israel-funding/index.html

"It is hateful to call a genocide a genocide."

You love to see it.

The response from Harris Press since has been terrible. The power of the Israel lobby is fucking insane.

---

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/02/politics/kyrsten-sinema-infrastructure-vote-democrats/index.html

I feed on her tears.

---

CNN reports...

CNN previously reported Sinema left Washington on Friday and is in Phoenix, Arizona, for a medical appointment, according to a statement from her office. Her office said she is continuing negotiations on the economic bill remotely.

cnn not reporting that she "coincidentally" has a fundraiser with big donors for her PAC at a high-end resort she is attending this weekend

---

TheRock1525 posted...

Studies have proven time and time again this is not true.

Link?

If jail isn't good for getting drug addicts clean and sober, at the very least it gets them off the streets and stops them from harming innocent people just trying to live their lives.

The only alternative I see put forward is newage "kumbaya" therapy, and there is literally zero chance that that will accomplish anything besides finding jobs for all those unemployed people that spent tens of thousands to get a psychology degree because it was easier than STEM.

---

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The response from Harris Press since has been terrible. The power of the Israel lobby is fucking insane.

We're seeing the same thing in Canada, where the Green party leader (who happens to be Jewish, black and a woman) made some really dumb statements defending Israel last summer that got the rest of the party up in arms. After a disastrous election where said party lead didn't win her seat, and the Greens lost a bunch of percentage points from the previous election, the party asked her to step down, and her response was to call the most progressive party in our system "racist/sexist/antisemetic"

---

Yeah, I defend Manchin quite a bit.

Sinema gets no defense. What the hell are you doing

---

It's crazy how labour unions are leading the anti-science, anti-intellectual anti-vaxx charge. Maybe this will be the thing that will finally convince people that labour unions have no place in the year 2021 (as if all of the police brutality issues weren't proof enough)

---

And here we have further proof of the differences we have with our northern neighbors, if that's indeed true (something tells me it isn't).

---

3 seconds of googling pulled this up:

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2021/09/29/1041479231/montgomery-county-worker-unions-oppose-vaccine-mandate

---

Unions seem to be split on the issue, like the country at large. They basically represent the opinions of the people who work for them. I'm not surprised that the police unions are filled with asshats, but many other unions support the mandate. My union has been pro-vaccination from the very beginning. They made huge efforts to inform people about vaccination info and how to get vaccinated and get supplies and appointments to members even before it was open to us through regular channels. They've offered bonuses and incentives to get vaccinated and have never made a push against it.

It's mainly because our entire country is so broken that there are unions that would make choices that hurt their members like being anti-vaccination or anti-mask. They are a microcosm of our nation.

---

It's probably worth pointing out too that at least some of the unions came out as anti-mandate initially because I mean. If you are trying to bargain, get leverage over the actual process of vaccination (even if you agree with it), or just trying to win other concessions, that's just the position you have to take. Basically, it's more complicated than how it's being reported because some unions are just bluffing, which is...fine, I guess. It's when things settle or fall through and it goes from bluff to actual policy that it becomes a problem.

---

Republicans are outraged at Joe going Irish Joe and saying something good about Sinema being chased into a bathroom:

https://twitter.com/claytravis/status/1445071607630794775?s=21

---