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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Oh man I actually have hope that progressives are going to tell the senate to go fuck itself I am a little hyped

I think Pelosi is going to have to call off the vote, Jayapal isn't going to bend on this I don't think and she likely has 20+ votes which is more than enough to kill it. FWIW, all the pressure the impending vote caused got Manchin to at least give a framework and even if I'm supremely unhappy that reconciliation is looking like it's going to get gutted down to like the $2.1-2.3t range it seems like the talks are back on instead of stalled and maybe even dead. So from that standpoint this whole theater has been productive, but yeah, vote has to be postponed at this juncture I think.

But it was always Sinema holding this up. I actually suspect that if Manchin were the only problem here, his statements over the past 24 hours would be enough to get the CPC to move forward here. Manchin is an asshole but he's an asshole that can be worked with (and while I don't think he's ever publicly said it, it's clear his goal is to gut the climate provisions which... I mean in an ideal world should be a dealbreaker but the reality is it means there's 51 votes against them so we're going to just be fucked either way.) But Sinema? lmfao no one trusts her. Progressives are right to hold the line without assurances from her - and hell assurances aren't enough with her, they really do need the vote.

Centrists have been acting in such bad faith this entire time. Like I've always been conflicted on the pragmatic matter of "Well, do we just take this because something is marginally better than nothing and the alternative very well looks like both deals blow up?" but that's the exact sentiment that the centrist faction has been playing on to fuel their bad faith bullshit this entire time because it's always been clear their play has been to play to that and roll over the progressives and you know, fuck it. You have to take a stand here.

GOP actually would be smart to try and provide the votes in the House to pass this even over a CPC defection but McCarthy is whipping against the bill and while you would 100% see a dozen or so jump onto the ship once it became clear it was passing, they won't do that until there are 218 Dems voting for it. Wouldn't kill reconciliation I don't think but it would really undermine any power and leverage progressives have in the negotiations moving forward and basically give Manchin all the power... more than he already has, that is.

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