Poll of the Day > Anime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCII

(+) Yeah! (+)

crestoria, it's a mobile game, and you can play it on an android emulator like bluestacks just fine

---

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Scarcity of content has been a thing for a long time. There's only so many books in each genre, etc.

Hypothetically speaking, let's say that there was no scarcity at the genre level -- which, in theory, there technically isn't if you throw quality out the window and solely look at amount of content (which is basically what you have with most streaming) -- why do you feel that would stop people from looking at and talking about older titles? And why do you feel that it wouldn't be relevant for there to be older, long-popular titles?

YoukaiSlayer posted...

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I care much about what it makes for the artist in terms of money. If theres constantly NEW good stuff to watch, theres no reason to go back and watch old stuff.

If somebody is starting something and knows that something is old, but very good vs something that's new and kinda okay, your operating theory is that they'll just go with the new & okay each time? Because even within anime and manga, that doesn't bear out. You have a large number of people -- including those in this topic -- who also visit older series.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

A lot of people feel that way, largely because of the social aspect of discussing "current" content. You aren't really a part of that so I'm not surprised it all makes no sense to you.

Do you mean in general or just anime/manga? Because there's a very practical difficulty that makes following new anime a nuisance. New manga isn't as bad, and there are several series that I'm following that are still in production.

And, in terms of content consumption, binging is a popular trend and has a pretty clear social element. Your modality for content consumption and discussion reflects a very outdated way of thinking.


---

Zeus posted...

And, in terms of content consumption, binging is a popular trend and has a pretty clear social element. Your modality for content consumption and discussion reflects a very outdated way of thinking.

The irony of you saying this is hilarious. The online anime community IS seasonal and pretty frequently talks about the exact thing I brought up. They don't have time to keep up with all the current shows but want to be part of the discussion so they watch what they can from the current season and never have time to watch their backlog. It's a very frequent thing to hear people bring up from rnadom people on forums to big anime youtubers.

Zeus posted...

You have a large number of people -- including those in this topic -- who also visit older series.

Yeah and look at the discussion that goes on here. Virtually none, cause no one is watching the same stuff.. MAYBE someone will leave one comment but most of the time it's basically just people reporting what they watched/read to no response. The exception sometimes is a currently airing show or apparently gacha games.

Like go back and look at what actually gets responses in these topics. It's almost exclusively "current" content be it vtubers, games, anime or manga which is still probably in the minority of posts.

This social value on new content doesn't only apply to this topic and it's a big part of content consumption in general for a lot of people, anime or otherwise.

Anyway, this entire thing is a tangent. I maintain my original position that content not having rewatch value doesn't inherently detract from it, especially if theres always new versions of it at the roughly the same quality.

It's even more of a moot point because plenty of the streams and clips are just as nice to watch months later. The "issue" if you can call it that is that it loses it's interactivity when it's not live. Even more so than most media, streaming is a social experience. The chat is as much a part of the experience as the streamer is.

---

YoukaiSlayer posted...

I maintain my original position that content not having rewatch value doesn't inherently detract from it, especially if theres always new versions of it at the roughly the same quality.

as someone who rewatches vtuber content anyways, i agree heavily

like, are detective novels objectively inferior to other stuff because you're less likely to reread them after knowing the solution to the story? hell no that shits my fav non weeaboo content, i LOVE agatha christie even if i don't wanna go reread stuff like roger ackroyd

---

YoukaiSlayer posted...

The irony of you saying this is hilarious. The online anime community IS seasonal and pretty frequently talks about the exact thing I brought up.

Do you also speak for the trees? >_>

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Yeah and look at the discussion that goes on here. Virtually none, cause no one is watching the same stuff.. MAYBE someone will leave one comment but most of the time it's basically just people reporting what they watched/read to no response. The exception sometimes is a currently airing show or apparently gacha games.

Which isn't an issue relating to something being new or old, just people doing things at the same time. It's why things like book clubs exist.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

It's even more of a moot point because plenty of the streams and clips are just as nice to watch months later. The "issue" if you can call it that is that it loses it's interactivity when it's not live. Even more so than most media, streaming is a social experience. The chat is as much a part of the experience as the streamer is.

If it's a matter of repuprosing content like chopping it for song segments, etc, sure, I can see that. How many vtubers right now are actually doing stuff like that, though?

agesboy posted...

like, are detective novels objectively inferior to other stuff because you're less likely to reread them after knowing the solution to the story? hell no that shits my fav non weeaboo content, i LOVE agatha christie even if i don't wanna go reread stuff like roger ackroyd

I've been re-reading Conan and I can't remember half of the culprits so far. I had the same thing happen while watching Murder, She Wrote when I was trying to find my place. In fact, the ONLY detective series I can consistently know the murderer in is Columbo, but that's because we see the killer commit the crime at the beginning rather than remembering it >_>

---

Zeus posted...

I've been re-reading Conan and I can't remember half of the culprits so far.

that's primarily because all the cases run together when there's 900+ of them. conan is good, but they're extremely formulaic and short

honeslty would have thought you'd consider it low-effort drivel considering there is very little innovation when it comes to the conan formula, just repeating the same thing week after week with different setpieces and a new schtick. which kind of sounds like your problem with vtubers!

---

agesboy posted...

honeslty would have thought you'd consider it low-effort drivel considering there is very little innovation when it comes to the conan formula, just repeating the same thing week after week with different setpieces and a new schtick. which kind of sounds like your problem with vtubers!

Your trolling is low-effort drivel. The weakest Conan story has more scripting and thought than even the better vtube streams, mostly because they tend to act extemporaneously.

---

Zeus posted...

The weakest Conan story has more scripting and thought than even the better vtube streams,

you don't even WATCH vtubers how would you know what's even good

i have actually watched significant amounts of both, you haven't, you are unqualified to compare them

---

agesboy posted...

you don't even WATCH vtubers how would you know what's even good

i have actually watched significant amounts of both, you haven't, you are unqualified to compare them

aka "If you haven't watched thousands of hours of a new take on an old thing you're already familiar with, then you're not qualified to speak on that subject!"

I've seen enough of VTubers, streamers, vloggers, etc, to render a judgment. The idea that you have spend tens of thousands of hours to perfectly inform your opinion is silly. Nowhere else is that considered a reasonable standard. Do you have to spend a thousand hours in a chemical treatment plant to render an informed judgment of the smell of chemical waste relative to a perfume? In most things, you can get a good sense for a thing without spending a massive amount of time doing that thing. And there's not enough time in the world to spend thousands of hours doing everything so you can make a comparison. And lest you forget, you guys have provided plenty of vtuber clips in this topic -- things that you no doubt consider to be exemplars of the genre -- so I'm able to draw on your tens of thousands of hours to help me make an informed decision without having to put in those hours myself.

However, ultimately vtubing is just a new sheet of paint on existing things.

---

People like what they like

Not everyone is interested in the same things

This is a pretty entertaining watch if you like Papers Please
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-51peXMvTR0

---

Been watching a bit of the new yakuza game (the rpg). Tempted to get it.

---

I got Yakuza 0, Yakuza Kiwami 1+2 but never played any of them, got em in a humble monthly.

---

I own yakuza 0 but haven't played it. I just feel like the new one being an RPG would be a lot easier on me right now plus I'm invested into the story already from watching the beginning of a let's play.

---

(Can I be honest and admit that I do not understand the whole V-tuber thing at all?)

---

There is nothing wrong with not understanding virtual youtubers.
Virtual Youtubers are like that bro you had growing up you used to watch playing video games with, except this bro is a girl (technically there are male vtubers I guess) and isn't going to steal your Pokemon cards to buy drugs. I use it mainly for background noise.

But remember that vtubers are a delusion. They are real people being paid to play a character which may or may not be reflective of their real selves.

---

I had the preconception that most vtubers were dudes playing girls?

---

Here is what the jp vtubers bring to the table.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OcaXUo0i8g

eating4fun posted...

I had the preconception that most vtubers were dudes playing girls?

Incorrect, at least for the most popular ones. We actually know who a good portion of them were before they became a vtuber. I have heard a lot of brazillian vtubers are guys pretending to be girls but I don't know any myself to back up that claim.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I bought the newest yakuza game (yakuza: like a dragon). Will probably start it today.

---

eating4fun posted...

I had the preconception that most vtubers were dudes playing girls?

I guess it depends on what vtubers? Like can a guy fake singing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4xw6ID0zXs

---

the only ones that are guys playing girls are pretty upfront about it, like kaoru was

i can only really think of two vtubers that heavily mix their voice, and one of those presents no gender

---

I think I remember why i quit the original Higurashi - I do not like VN-formatted anime. It's the same problem that I had with Clannad.

---

as a vn fan i really liked it

provides multiple canon possibilities diverging from one static opener

yosuga no sora was also one of my favs because it essentially references save points for arc continuation

edit: new higurashi is a wildcard i'm awaiting to reexperience tho. i really don't want to wait for more episodes. i know how ryukishi operates

---

Yay, next collab in Granblue is going to feature Kimetsu no Yaiba.

---

Yo I am having so much fun with yakuza 7 which is saying something because it physically hurts me greatly to play games. It's so stupid and endearing. Also the english voice acting is super on point. Definitely weird to play an rpg where the main party is 3 homeless dudes, the youngest of which is 41 years old.

Although for having yakuza in the title, I really haven't done like any crime and I'm not in the yakuza.

---

none of the protagonists in yakuza games are active yakuza, actually

---

I never let the premise of a game bother me.

I know theres a disconnect between reality and games.

Im just there to have fun, because thats what games are all about.

---

don't think anyone's bothered by the premise here

it is kinda funny that the game yakuza features a lot of ex-yakuza protagonists, with the occasional cop or civilian protagonist

ending to yakuza 1 was especially hilarious to me because kiryu becomes chairman for like a few hours then is like lol bye and goes back to being a random but legendary civilian

---

I've been eyeing the Yakuza series recently myself. Should I start with 0 or the remake of 1?

zero, it ties into new stuff in kiwami 1 as a sort of updated continuity (mostly just more majima)

it is an extremely strong entry in the franchise too. 0 and K1 run on the same engine and 0 just feels like there's more to do too

---

Oh cool.

Looks like Fire Emblem: Three Houses is on sale now.

It's down to $34.99. Physical versions only, available only on Best Buy and Amazon.

Couple that with the DLC season pass, which is $24.99, you get a full game plus all DLC for the price of a normal retail game.

I've been hearing a lot of good things about the game but the $60 plus $25 DLC kinda put me off it. So a sale like this is exactly what I've been waiting for.

Should I go for it?

---

not a single post here yesterday

anyways, another pull on barbatos banner. i got another yuri

---

Watched some Natsume's Book of Friends stuff I was missing, s5 & 6 specials and a movie.

---

Spent this weekend getting Level 95 and a few more challenges for 36/40 in Path of Exile.

---

likehelly posted...

not a single post here yesterday

Not much going on. However, I checked today and realized that three more chapters of Hero? had been scanlated. It basically closed out the last arc and started the new one. I think I'll probably wait for at least 10 chapters to pop up before continuing.

Then I just haven't bothered with Magi: Sinbad the past... well, whenever it was I last watched it.


---

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMLFfcw2pGo

---

Alright! Got Fire Emblem: Three Houses today.

Any tips I should know before starting?

---

Who did you pick?

---

I went Blue Lions first, since people were saying that's a good "first route" if you're planning on replaying the game.

---

edelgard both sucks and has the best route.

---

Make sure you do EVERY paralogue ASAP on Blue Lions because whether a party member dies or not is tied to it.

Do whatever you can to get Kaspar from Black Eagles. He and one of Blue Lions members have a sidequest that gives closure to one of the main villains that the main story just... drops.

---

I gotta be honest, the game is feeling kinda intimidating right now since I'm the type of person who tries to do everything in one playthrough and I like to min/max all my characters for max efficiency.

And this game doesn't really make it easy to do that blind, and I kinda get the feeling like that's not the intended way to play.

This sorta mentality is what got me stuck in Fates, and unable to progress in a single route since I would just grind out the online stages to get max supports and buy out skills and what not.

So yeah, hopefully I can manage to switch my brain gears and enjoy the game.

---

PK_Spam posted...

Make sure you do EVERY paralogue ASAP on Blue Lions because whether a party member dies or not is tied to it.

Do whatever you can to get Kaspar from Black Eagles. He and one of Blue Lions members have a sidequest that gives closure to one of the main villains that the main story just... drops.

Oof yeah see this is the kinda thing that makes me want to open a guide and spoil myself since I don't want to miss out on stuff like that.

I was actually planning on just recruiting who I can and not worry about it, but you actually miss out on stuff if you don't get specific characters in a route?


---

Trust me, you have PLENTY of time. I felt the exact same way my first time, but the time management stuff is way more lenient than Persona.

You do have a time limit on recruiting members from other houses, but on your first playthrough you should easily be able to get 4 or 5 without too much trouble if you generally know what youre doing.

If youre playing on normal, youll do just fine. The game isnt absurdly difficult and youll do just fine so long as you dont make absurdly stupid decisions. If you want any help with specific characters feel free to ask.

Right off the bat, you have Felix, who is going to be a MONSTER and the star of your team, and the healer girl is the best in the game outside of DLC stuff I think. The only recruits I think are super necessary are Lysithea (she trivializes an unbeatable boss early on), Hilda, and maybe Dorothea if you wanna rain meteors on peoples heads.

---

Dont worry, the only way youd ever miss out on a paralogue is if you were suddenly blind. Its right there on the battle select screen and even has the deadline, so you have lots of wiggle room.

The time management stuff is NOT daunting. By the end of the game, watch the statistics of what the average player does. Youre gonna see a shift from training/studying/hanging out to just doing nothing and literally wasting the day because you already built everyone to their top form and got them to hook up with the one you want to marry them a while ago.

---

What do people think of Kishimoto coming back as the main writer of Boruto. I don't believe much will change honestly because he was already giving input on the writing. The real problem with this series is the uglyass artstyle. He's not doing art. This really seems desperate since Boruto manga sales continue tanking.

---

Starting to watch anime again, albeit a little bit at a time. I only realized recently just how much the pandemic has changed many of my lifestyle habits. Also starting to get back to JRPGs, but, again, a little at a time.

---

I used to LOVE Fire Emblem. Was a great game to just sit down and play in the car or on long family vacations. Now that those arent things and I drive myself everywhere I dont find the time to play anymore.

Also I have had trouble getting into long RPG games that take a lot of investment.
I bought Fire Emblem: Awakening when it came out but I barely even played that, it wasnt bad, its just me thats changed. I want to love it, I just have such a short attention span for the genre.

Now I have been playing boatloads of The Forest, and just now getting into Evil Within 2, GREAT game if you are into Dead Space 1/2 and Resident Evil 4.
Really love great horror games (with good gameplay mechanics since I like it more for the aesthetic since not much scares me).

---

Decided on a new show to watch.

https://myanimelist.net/anime/37487/Muhyo_to_Rouji_no_Mahouritsu_Soudan_Jimusho

It's not rated super well, but I need something to watch.

---

PK_Spam posted...

Make sure you do EVERY paralogue ASAP on Blue Lions because whether a party member dies or not is tied to it.

Do whatever you can to get Kaspar from Black Eagles. He and one of Blue Lions members have a sidequest that gives closure to one of the main villains that the main story just... drops.

Kinda sounds awful.

I_Abibde posted...

Starting to watch anime again, albeit a little bit at a time. I only realized recently just how much the pandemic has changed many of my lifestyle habits. Also starting to get back to JRPGs, but, again, a little at a time.

As much as the pandemic has adversely impacted my life, I'm kinda not sure I'll ever get back to jrpgs (well, the longer ones anyway). It kinda just feels like too much of a sustained investment of time and energy. I even have trouble starting normal games these days.

deoxxys posted... Also I have had trouble getting into long RPG games that take a lot of investment.
I bought Fire Emblem: Awakening when it came out but I barely even played that, it wasnt bad, its just me thats changed. I want to love it, I just have such a short attention span for the genre.

Actually, this kinda sums up a lot of my feelings. There are a lot of games I probably would have loved years ago that now just seem like a bit of work

---

so i hopped on genshin. noticed i only needed 40 gems for a 10 pull, so i got them

pulled on the event banner

and got only weapons. shit assed weapons, none of them are better than what i had, and the 4 star weapon was a bow, which i do not use.

yeah don't think i'm gonna play this again

---

likehelly posted...

yeah don't think i'm gonna play this again

Ironically, it made me want to hook up my Wii U and play BotW again. Genshin, sadly, doesn't interest me by its own merit.

---