Board 8 > Gamestop employees ordered to remove Onlive token from new copies of Deus Ex

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The consumer friendly answer would have been just to not sell the PC version of the game. Though we already know GameStop doesn't care about the consumer.

What does Onlive do?

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From: TheRock1525 | #050
I'm pretty unfamiliar with OnLive, is this PC exclusive or something? I'm not seeing it my 360 copy.

Yes, it is just another take on Valve's Steam service.

edwardsdv posted...
I have no problem with this.

They probably have some kind of working agreement to crosspromote with steam while onlive did no such thing. It was basically a hostile economic act by onlive and gs responded in kind.

....no, it was a business move between onlive and SE, to which GS responded by breaking the law.

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Not really. Onlive is pretty different. It's entirely cloud-based.

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It's not really another take. You don't store any of the games you own on your harddrive, and you don't run the games through your computer. You download a client and play the games as they're streamed to you, so you don't have to worry about meating the requirements. There's a subscription payment plan, too.

They're working on an iPad app right now, which could be neat.

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From: Icon Classic | #046
GAME and Gamestation, I think.

Gamestation is supposed to be the hip and cool version of GAME...only problem is that GAME owns gamestation, woops!

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How is one game store presented as being cooler than the other?

Coffee bars and more hipster clerks?

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You wouldn't have heard of Gamestation, JaK. It's pretty underground.

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I did not know OnLive existed before this.

Now I do.

Congrats, GameStop.

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From: KamikazePotato | #060
I did not know OnLive existed before this.

Now I do.

Congrats, GameStop.

They were being heralded as the future of gaming by a select few, all the way up until it actually came out.
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GAME has all this family friendly image going with bright lighting and clean floors.

Gamestation has this almost graffiti like presentation to get the teenage demographics, also I think GAME will sell some toys like Pokemon trading cards and other kid friendly add ons while Gamestation will have more say Warcraft/Gears figurines.

The prices themselves don't actually vary from store to store.

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Well yeah I've never heard of either GAME or Gamestation.

I'm just curious how the stores are presented. If the same parent company owns both, and has decided that one is going to be "mainstream" and the other is meant to be "hip and cool," what specific ways do they go about creating those impressions?

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it's not even such a problem that they don't want to give out these codes

it's that they open the box, take out these codes, and still present the game as a full new copy. if they want to take out the codes, and expressly tell everyone up front that they have opened the box and taken out the code and are thus selling a less complete product than other stores, whatever.

thing is, we probably wouldn't have known about this if not for the news stories and the average duder probably still doesn't know

they also probably don't care about onlive, but whatever

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GAME looks exactly like Gamestop, just with purple instead of red.

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I never heard of GAME, and actually thought that picture was a photoshop that just took out the "Stop" from everything and then made it all purple

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There is one thing I do want to know, though.

Why do people get so angry about Gamestop opening up the cases for New games? Do people forget that the cases were also open before they were wrapped up in the factory? They aren't any less new just because Gamestop opened them up. A game doesn't become "used" until the actual disc is played.

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A game doesn't become "used" until the actual disc is played

they also play the discs

that is a thing they do

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They went for different brandings pretty hard, GAME is everywhere, highstreets and malls and department stores.

While the only Gamestations I've spotted have been on the highstreets though I guess malls must have a few of them. But yeah, they just want to have one brand be for the parents who buy games for their kids and one for "gamers", oh and it totally worked out for them.

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FateStayAlbion posted...
There is one thing I do want to know, though.

Why do people get so angry about Gamestop opening up the cases for New games? Do people forget that the cases were also open before they were wrapped up in the factory? They aren't any less new just because Gamestop opened them up. A game doesn't become "used" until the actual disc is played.

Lack of trust.

If they're unopened, we KNOW they haven't been played.

Most people don't just want to take Gamestop's word for it that those opened discs haven't ever been put in a machine, because incidents like the one in this topic prove that they're an untrustworthy company.

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Games are packed by machines at a factory. Your average GS employee probably doesn't even wash his hands after using the toilet. You don't think that makes a difference? How about the supermarket sell you a peeled banana as "new"?

GAME actually opens every case, beforehand, the cases are all on the shelves and they just pull out the discs from under the counter and put it in front of you, with the manual and all, so you can basically see at the store itself if anything is missing.

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voltch posted...
GAME actually opens every case, beforehand, the cases are all on the shelves and they just pull out the discs from under the counter and put it in front of you, with the manual and all, so you can basically see at the store itself if anything is missing.

I'd rather Gamestop and GAME do this instead of what big chains do with putting the games behind a glass window so you can't even check the game boxes before you buy.

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From: FateStayAlbion | #074
I'd rather Gamestop and GAME do this instead of what big chains do with putting the games behind a glass window so you can't even check the game boxes before you buy.

I can understand wanting to read the back of the box. But buying a game from behind the counter is like buying from online, you do your research before you buy. I've never been to a GS, looked at a game on the shelves, and decided to buy it. I always know what I'm getting before I go in.

Any chain store will let you look at the box before you buy. It's not like they have a "you touch, you buy" policy.

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heh, a lot of people I know just browse the shelves to see if there's anything eyecatching. Heck I do that too.

"Hey this game looks cool, wasn't planning on buying it today but the price is very good and its not even a used copy"

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I bet streaming games would still give me better performance than running games on this computer.

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I'm not positive on how accurate I am when I make this assumption but...

I recently emailed Nintendo about a previously unrelated issue involving distributors and they replied saying that once the distributor has the product they can essentially do whatever they want with it to distribute it with some set boundaries such as street dates.

I don't think SE could really take any legal action against them, but that doesn't stop them from saying " hey, stop doing this or you're not getting our support anymore ".

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The problem is that having a third party open up the case just makes yet another company you have to trust to not mishandle your disc. The more people handling the disc before you get it, the more likely it is for something to go wrong. Simple as that, really.

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voltch posted...
heh, a lot of people I know just browse the shelves to see if there's anything eyecatching. Heck I do that too.

"Hey this game looks cool, wasn't planning on buying it today but the price is very good and its not even a used copy"

And to be fair, on that front I can understand doing the Gamestop thing where they remove the disc (and never play it) for one display copy, and have that be the last "new" copy in the store.

But it makes no sense to do that for EVERY copy like they do.

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I think the legality issue isn't them opening up the product and selling it without OnLive. It's that they are not informing the consumer that they are getting an incomplete product. Sell the game and not telling them it has no OnLive in it despite advertisements for OnLive on the front is what could get them in hot water.

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JaKyL25 posted...
voltch posted...
heh, a lot of people I know just browse the shelves to see if there's anything eyecatching. Heck I do that too.

"Hey this game looks cool, wasn't planning on buying it today but the price is very good and its not even a used copy"

And to be fair, on that front I can understand doing the Gamestop thing where they remove the disc (and never play it) for one display copy, and have that be the last "new" copy in the store.

But it makes no sense to do that for EVERY copy like they do.

They don't. Of all the new copies I've bought at Gamestop, maybe 1/4th were already opened, and like never if its a first day release.

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The only time I've bought copies that were already opened were if it was a game that was kinda rare/didn't get a lot of copies of it. Like Ace Attorney Investigations and Dynasty Warriors Gundam 3.

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If it's factory sealed, that's how it should be when you walk out of the store with it. There are exceptions, sure. Whether or not you trust a store should be irrelevant.

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JaKyL25 posted...
voltch posted...
heh, a lot of people I know just browse the shelves to see if there's anything eyecatching. Heck I do that too.

"Hey this game looks cool, wasn't planning on buying it today but the price is very good and its not even a used copy"

And to be fair, on that front I can understand doing the Gamestop thing where they remove the disc (and never play it) for one display copy, and have that be the last "new" copy in the store.

But it makes no sense to do that for EVERY copy like they do.

The get materials from publishers to create store display copies. They don't need to gut copies to create a display copy.

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Why DO they gut some copies then? And apparently it's only a sometimes thing. Weird.

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I think the implication there from the Gamestop reply was that they ordered the game unknowing that the OnLive promos would be in there, and then when they received the product it was there.

So everyone saying "don't sell the game"-- that doesn't really work cause they've already got it stocked at that point.

Least that's how I read it. I don't really think it's a big deal if that's the case, either... just as long as the cases don't promise an OnLive coupon.

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And when I read more and more about this issue, I think Gamestop doesn't have any kind of legal problems here. Sure, its a dick move, but what Online did was kinda dickish as well; they added a promotion for a competing service without any kind of communication with Gamestop, and tried to trick them into promoting their service. Gamestop owns the copies they bought, so they can legally remove these advertisements.

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So everyone saying "don't sell the game"-- that doesn't really work cause they've already got it stocked at that point.

Sure it does. Don't sell it, and then sue Square-Enix for misleading them into purchasing X amount of copies that they now cannot sell without promoting competition.

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Also, as for Onlive, the comment that it's "the future of gaming" isn't that far off.

But it's the FUTURE of gaming.

As for today, it's a bit much - the problem is most people don't have the connections to sustain it.

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JaKyL25 posted...
So everyone saying "don't sell the game"-- that doesn't really work cause they've already got it stocked at that point.

Sure it does. Don't sell it, and then sue Square-Enix for misleading them into purchasing X amount of copies that they now cannot sell without promoting competition.

Refusing to sell preorders to people will cause significantly more problems than this current issue.

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FateStayAlbion posted...
JaKyL25 posted...
So everyone saying "don't sell the game"-- that doesn't really work cause they've already got it stocked at that point.

Sure it does. Don't sell it, and then sue Square-Enix for misleading them into purchasing X amount of copies that they now cannot sell without promoting competition.

Refusing to sell preorders to people will cause significantly more problems than this current issue.

Doesn't work like that. You can't sue someone because they made a deal with your competition.

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Or people should realize that the situation isn't black and white and it could be that neither side is both completely in the wrong or right.

Refusing to sell preorders to people will cause significantly more problems than this current issue.

Refund the consumers and sue Square Enix for the lost money+

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Well you'd refund the pre-orders, obviously, and explain to customers that due to insufficient information about what was included with the game, they can no longer sell it.

Is it an IDEAL situation? Not at all, and sure it's a dick move by S-E if they intentionally added the OnLive stuff in last-minute. That doesn't excuse Gamestop from making an even BIGGER dick move in retaliation.

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"I think the implication there from the Gamestop reply was that they ordered the game unknowing that the OnLive promos would be in there"

If this is illegal -- which is tricky, because it's such a small fee we're dealing with, and nobody really cares enough to do anything about it -- that's not really a defense. OnLive and SE announced this months in advance, giving GameStop plenty of time to cancel any PC orders of the game if that's the route they wanted to go.


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TheRock1525 posted...
Or people should realize that the situation isn't black and white and it could be that neither side is both completely in the wrong or right.

Refusing to sell preorders to people will cause significantly more problems than this current issue.

Refund the consumers and sue Square Enix for the lost money+

...The situation IS black and white. Onlive paid for what is, essentially, nothing more than advertising in a game. Gamestop said "LOL NO" and ILLEGALLY removed coupons from the game.

Onlive is completely in the right legally.

Gamestop is gompletely in the wrong legally.

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Pretty shady here.

GameStop does stuff like this. The big publishers want to eliminate the used market.

My stars, is there ANYONE left for an old console gamer like me to root for????

And get your STEAMY CRAPS outta here, PC fans.

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No, see, joyrock. There is nothing illegal about removing the OnLive. What could be illegal is then selling the product without informing the consumer.

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