Board 8 > Gamestop employees ordered to remove Onlive token from new copies of Deus Ex

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PartOfYourWorld posted...
Pretty shady here.

GameStop does stuff like this. The big publishers want to eliminate the used market.

My stars, is there ANYONE left for an old console gamer like me to root for????

And get your STEAMY CRAPS outta here, PC fans.

PC > Consoles

And developers are in the right for wanting to either remove or make money off the used game market.

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TheRock1525 posted...
No, see, joyrock. There is nothing illegal about removing the OnLive. What could be illegal is then selling the product without informing the consumer.

It is, in fact tampering with the product, as well as false advertising.

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Tampering with the product? Are there special rules when Gamestop buys them? Cause I thought it just became theirs same as it becomes yours when you buy it. They could even destroy all their copies or withold them or give them out for free if they really wanted to can't they?

OctilIery posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
No, see, joyrock. There is nothing illegal about removing the OnLive. What could be illegal is then selling the product without informing the consumer.

It is, in fact tampering with the product, as well as false advertising.

Nope, they own the games they bought, so they can legally remove it. Like if you buy a game, you can legally throw out the OnLive coupon.

Whether they state they removed it or not is the issue.

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Whatever you say -_-

It doesn't matter either way. Legally, they're so boned now XD

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Boned? Probably not. Square Enix sues, Gamestop counter-sues, they settle out of court, nothing happens. It can almost guarantee it won't be a PC exclusive item that finally sinks Gamestop, or even comes close to hurting it.

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They cant countersue without anythig to sue for.

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I could care less about the Onlive token or whatever stupid online pass crap they put into games. I absolutely hate Gamestop selling new games that are not shrink wrapped. They don't have that new game smell that I love.

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Nope, they own the games they bought, so they can legally remove it. Like if you buy a game, you can legally throw out the OnLive coupon.

I guess technically they own it, although I would assume that when stores obtain products that they sell, they have to sign agreements that they won't tamper with the product before they sell it to the consumer.

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OctilIery posted...
They cant countersue without anythig to sue for.

I've spent the last 1.5 years dealing with the court system.

Trust me, you can.

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PartOfYourWorld posted...
Pretty shady here.

GameStop does stuff like this. The big publishers want to eliminate the used market.

My stars, is there ANYONE left for an old console gamer like me to root for????

And get your STEAMY CRAPS outta here, PC fans.

Root for the big publishers - the used market is bad for the industry.

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I don't know about anyone else, but I just like the feeling of opening a new game. I'm the first and only owner to have opened this, and it's as it was supposed to come. That said, 90% of "new" games that I've bought from Gamestop have all been opened. Might as well buy a used copy, which I hate doing. Basically I just try to avoid Gamestop outside of pre-orders.

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Root for the big publishers - the used market is bad for the industry.

And good for consumers. As a consumer, I want used games.

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FateStayAlbion posted...
Root for the big publishers - the used market is bad for the industry.

And good for consumers. As a consumer, I want used games.

Actually it's bad for the consumer, too; trouble is, most consumers are short-sighted like you and not seeing the damage you're doing to the industry or thinking of the bad that will come of it.

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From: OctilIery | #117
Actually it's bad for the consumer, too; trouble is, most consumers are short-sighted like you and not seeing the damage you're doing to the industry or thinking of the bad that will come of it.

If publishers do adopt a more digital-friendly format where every game is offered for download, I'd be cool with that so long as they offer price reductions for those gamers who wait to purchase. As it stands right now, I can often get a $60 game for like $20 a year after release, and it's usually still in new condition on Amazon. If publishers can match that via digital distribution, I'd support it despite missing physical copies.

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So, does the PC box make any mention of the OnLive code being inside at all? Because if not, there's technically nothing illegal happening.

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Well I can't find any legit boxes for it, but neither Gamestop or Amazons website for the PC version says anything about Onlive, at least.

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StealThisSheen posted...
So, does the PC box make any mention of the OnLive code being inside at all? Because if not, there's technically nothing illegal happening.

Even if they don't, it's well publicized that it comes with Onlive, making this illegal.

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Even if they don't, it's well publicized that it comes with Onlive, making this illegal.

We've already established that simply removing it isn't illegal.

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PartOfYourWorld posted...
From: OctilIery | #117
Actually it's bad for the consumer, too; trouble is, most consumers are short-sighted like you and not seeing the damage you're doing to the industry or thinking of the bad that will come of it.
If publishers do adopt a more digital-friendly format where every game is offered for download, I'd be cool with that so long as they offer price reductions for those gamers who wait to purchase. As it stands right now, I can often get a $60 game for like $20 a year after release, and it's usually still in new condition on Amazon. If publishers can match that via digital distribution, I'd support it despite missing physical copies.

That is a responsibility of the publisher, and I agree that more should. But that's after a year; when people can go buy a game slightly cheaper that has been out for only a few weeks, and the developer gets none of the profits, there is a significant problem, regardless of game content.

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TheRock1525 posted...
Even if they don't, it's well publicized that it comes with Onlive, making this illegal.

We've already established that simply removing it isn't illegal.

We haven't established anything of the sort, but regardless, they don't notify the consumer, making it even more illegal.

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OctilIery posted...
Even if they don't, it's well publicized that it comes with Onlive, making this illegal.


That's not how the law works. If GameStop personally didn't advertise it, and it's not on the box, then it's technically not illegal. Is it fair? Not necessarily, no. But that's how it works.

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Even if they don't, it's well publicized that it comes with Onlive, making this illegal.

Advertised by who? If it's not a GameStop ad, why would they be legally obligated to follow the advertisement? Also, a lot of the time advertised bonuses have fine print that say they aren't necessarily available everywhere.

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Gamestop had no ethical right to do what they did. If they had a problem with what was being packaged with the game by the developers of the game they should have sent it all back then refunded their customers who preordered it.

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in any case, this is kind of crossing the line for me. not that i really bought from gamestop before, but i guess i'm done with them now.

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Maybe I'm giving Gamestop too much credit, but I can't imagine that the big wigs of the company would do something like this unless they got the okay from their lawyers first.

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I stopped purchasing from gamestop years ago for ethical reasons. Just add this to the pile of reasons not to be a patron of theirs.

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Maybe I'm giving Gamestop too much credit, but I can't imagine that the big wigs of the company would do something like this unless they got the okay from their lawyers first.

Even if they did, it doesn't mean their lawyers were right. Companies do illegal things all the time despite having legal departments.

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See, I don't really have a big problem with this. Is it fair? Not really, but they're within their legal rights to do so. It'd be like the Yankees ordering a bunch of foam fingers, and then with said foam fingers, the manufacturer had made a deal and is attaching a sheet of Red Sox stickers to every finger. Obviously, they're not gonna leave the stickers on there. You don't promote competition.

I'm not saying they're RIGHT, necessarily... I'm just saying that I, personally, couldn't care less. They still have plenty of reasons for me to shop there. I'm not gonna be dissuaded by something I wasn't even gonna buy.

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I don't think any of our PC copies were opened so whoo go my store <_<

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I don't buy from Gamestop often, it bothers me to not have the shrink wrap on the game when I buy it. Almost bought Kingdom Hearts II from them but then watched the employee pull a disc, put it in the case, etc. Told them no thanks, walked to Best Buy to buy it instead!

Do they always open PC games? With activation codes that seems like an even bigger issue than with console games.

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/gamestop-pulling-deus-ex-human-revolution-pc-off-shelves/3618/

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Oh and they're honoring returns of a PC game.

Isn't that a whole new can of worms?

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They're honoring any returns with a receipt? Nobody does that on PC games. At all.

Hard to be pissed at them now!

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Sucks for any employees who were spending every free moment they had doing the removals just to get that nonsense outta the way.

If you listened closely, I'm sure you could've heard a distant "ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME!?"

StealThisSheen posted...
They're honoring any returns with a receipt? Nobody does that on PC games. At all.

Hard to be pissed at them now!

Well you can be pissed that this even happened to begin with but at least there is an option to make it right now.

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edwardsdv posted...
I have no problem with this.

They probably have some kind of working agreement to crosspromote with steam while onlive did no such thing. It was basically a hostile economic act by onlive and gs responded in kind.

In that case, if they really felt that way, then DON'T SELL THE GAME, like I said earlier.

You know that wasnt going to be possible considering its the kind of thing people preordered and they would suffer a larger credibility loss from failing to deliver on preorders than doing what they did.

Especially since most people wont care.

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OmarsComin posted...
Do they always open PC games? With activation codes that seems like an even bigger issue than with console games.

They do, and employees stealing activation codes is a serious problem.

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You know that wasnt going to be possible considering its the kind of thing people preordered and they would suffer a larger credibility loss from failing to deliver on preorders than doing what they did.

Especially since most people wont care.

Apparently it was possible since they are no longer selling the game and sending the copies they have back.

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From: MarvelousGerbil | #147
Why do they open games anyway? I've never had this problem at any gamestop I've frequented (only 3 in my life granted). If I buy a new game, unless it's the display copy, it's shrink wrapped. What's the logic behind opening it? So employees can just steal codes and get all the Club Nintendo perks?

That's how it always works for my store <_<

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Why do they open games anyway? I've never had this problem at any gamestop I've frequented (only 3 in my life granted). If I buy a new game, unless it's the display copy, it's shrink wrapped. What's the logic behind opening it? So employees can just steal codes and get all the Club Nintendo perks?

EDIT: Of course with the obvious exception of this instance, where it's a stupid but actual reason to open the games.

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Team Rocket Elite posted...
You know that wasnt going to be possible considering its the kind of thing people preordered and they would suffer a larger credibility loss from failing to deliver on preorders than doing what they did.

Especially since most people wont care.

Apparently it was possible since they are no longer selling the game and sending the copies they have back.


They're still filling all remaining preorders.

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Oh hey, I remember seeing this store when I was in South Africa.

Maybe one day I'll go back and buy Xenoblade.

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