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TopicWhat are your goals for the next 5 years?
Zanzenburger
07/11/18 10:11:12 AM
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slimfizzle2 posted...
Sunhawk posted...
I don't think the 4th thing is going to happen, Zanzenburger.

o_o

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TopicWhat are your goals for the next 5 years?
Zanzenburger
07/11/18 9:52:40 AM
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For me:
- Finish my PhD
- Have a biological child
- Get a promotion in the job I just got
- Start my own consulting company
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Topicif you're an adult and you don't own a suit, you fucked up in life
Zanzenburger
07/11/18 9:51:31 AM
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I wear suits to work every day. My dry cleaning bill is ridiculous.
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TopicWhy do they make those white dress shirts you can see the undershirt through?
Zanzenburger
06/30/18 9:54:07 AM
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Because they are amazing when women wear them.
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TopicSelf checkout lines is living proof that people can't do the job better
Zanzenburger
06/07/18 11:13:42 AM
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I wonder how people would react if they created two self-checkout lanes, one for "proficient users" and one for "average users".

Would be an interesting sociological experiment to see who would go to which one.
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Topicthe word ''daddy'' is so sexualized, i'll have to make my kids call me father
Zanzenburger
06/07/18 11:05:34 AM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
I get nervous hearing mama from anyone other than kids now because that's started to have negative connotations for me too >_>

Teen Titans Go has made this 1000x's worse.
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Topici had to do the roll of shame the other day at the gym
Zanzenburger
06/07/18 10:02:48 AM
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philsov posted...
Do not get ashame. You try for more than you can do today. But tomorrow, you lift more. Everyone begins somewhere, soon you will be strong.

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Topicthe word ''daddy'' is so sexualized, i'll have to make my kids call me father
Zanzenburger
06/07/18 10:01:38 AM
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You think that's bad? I can't have my kids call me papi like my siblings and I did with our dad. <_<
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Topici had to do the roll of shame the other day at the gym
Zanzenburger
06/07/18 9:56:05 AM
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Is that what the youngsters are calling it these days?
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TopicIt's not healthy to live in a big city you're whole life and hardly ever leave.
Zanzenburger
06/07/18 9:20:26 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
It's even less healthy to live in a small town your whole life and never leave. I've been living in a small town for the last few years for a job and the people here are so sheltered. All they know is what happens in their town and the occasional trip to the city. The rest they learn from the media. They have such a distorted view from the world. When I tell them I'm from the east coast they gasp and wonder why I'm so "normal".


As someone who's lived in both, do you think their view of the coasts is more or less (or just as) distorted than the coasts' view of them?

Yes, for the most part. Like I've met people that believe Miami to be like in the show Dexter and Burn Notice. In other words, television highly influences what they think cities/coasts are like. They also believe that people who live in those areas are either celebrities or these fast-talking city types that they could never relate with.

Despite there being a metro city an hour away from here, they think that their city is different from other cities (I mean, that's not completely wrong, but there are more similarities).

I can usually tell someone who's travelled and someone who's stayed put in this town within minutes of meeting them just by how they interact.
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TopicCoach Z's got money.
Zanzenburger
06/06/18 3:24:12 PM
#38
Oh boy! It's my very own The Cheat!
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TopicSometimes, if you work too hard, you may be seen as too valuable to promote.
Zanzenburger
06/06/18 3:21:04 PM
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I agree with this. Six years in a position that's well below my pay grade because I do it so well. I applied at another company two months ago and they doubled my salary when they saw what I could do.
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TopicMinnesota Amazon workers face exhaustion, dehydration, and injuries
Zanzenburger
06/06/18 3:02:08 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
metralo posted...
>people defending amazon warehouses despite the numerous horror stories about them

only in conservatroll neckbeard land folks


I'm not sure if I just never noticed before because I was young and ignorant, or if like social media is partially to blame, but I have noticed people of all political stripes seem to not actually care about the arguments or principles at play in any particular discussion, but more about who they can line up behind and argue on behalf of or against

It is pretty sad imo

This is very true.

I've become somewhat of a local celebrity in my town cause of a political podcast I do that got picked up and shared by our city government. Despite being a highly conservative town, they tend to agree with a lot of my liberal views on things. I've met some of my viewers, and they've basically said that they agree with certain ideas that they otherwise wouldn't because they like the way I present them. It's just another way of saying that my charisma pretty much sells it to them, so they are more likely to give a different view a try.

They've actually become less anti-government over the last few months when they see some of the benefits of programs that are traditionally left-leaning in nature.

People tend to back the person (or group) supporting an issue, not the issue itself.
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Topici want to propose to my girlfriend but how am i supposed to afford a ring?
Zanzenburger
06/06/18 2:58:37 PM
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It really depends on your girl's tastes and your value of spending money on a ring.

In my situation (which I will admit is not common), I went with the cheapest ring I could find. I bought an engagement ring/wedding band set on Amazon. Together, they cost less than $500. I then took my wife to a local jewelry store to get it sized for her. I also managed to keep our wedding cost under $1000.

All the money that I could have put on those two things we instead put on a downpayment for a house and we're doing much better because of it. But in my case, my wife was fully on board with these decisions as she valued our long-term investment more than the allure of a ring and a wedding.
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Topic6 Figure Job Offer Got Pulled Because I...
Zanzenburger
06/06/18 2:55:33 PM
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Yeah, that's pretty rough. Overall, it's a tame joke, but an interview is not a place to joke like that. What's really odd is how they still gave you the job offer and then took it back. Did they actually tell you that was the reason? Did you accept the offer before they revoked it?

Ki_cat_ posted...
MutantJohn posted...
Hop103 posted...
That's an off color joke?

Apparently I made the interviewer incredibly uncomfortable


It is a bit awkward to be talking about being in your underwear if we are conducting a work interview for 6 figures.

I wonder how this would have gone if the interviewee was a woman.
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TopicSD lawmaker says businesses should be allowed to deny service due to skin color
Zanzenburger
06/06/18 10:36:07 AM
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So which religions forbid people from serving people of color? Cause he seems to imply that discrimination is justified by religious freedom.
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TopicIt's not healthy to live in a big city you're whole life and hardly ever leave.
Zanzenburger
06/05/18 4:07:07 PM
#8
It's even less healthy to live in a small town your whole life and never leave. I've been living in a small town for the last few years for a job and the people here are so sheltered. All they know is what happens in their town and the occasional trip to the city. The rest they learn from the media. They have such a distorted view from the world. When I tell them I'm from the east coast they gasp and wonder why I'm so "normal".
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TopicNotice how there is barely any backlash towards Ocean's 8
Zanzenburger
06/05/18 3:45:49 PM
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marc55 posted...
they even showed us danny s grave on the trailer...dont know why TC calls it a reboot

The TC didn't call it a reboot. I did. My mistake, I didn't realize it was a spinoff and was tied to the main series.
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TopicNotice how there is barely any backlash towards Ocean's 8
Zanzenburger
06/05/18 3:36:48 PM
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ThatMuttGuy posted...
Ocean's 8?

Ocean's 11 reboot with an all-female cast coming out this weekend.
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TopicDo you negotiate salary on job offers? If not, you may be losing out on pay.
Zanzenburger
06/01/18 12:13:33 AM
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TopicDo you negotiate salary on job offers? If not, you may be losing out on pay.
Zanzenburger
05/31/18 5:44:23 PM
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Solid Sonic posted...
Ill negotiate if it comes up but Ive never beem presented with a chance to. I always assume its uncouth and aggressive if you push the money button if the interviewer hasnt.

That is a very common belief among job candidates. I can see that being true if you come off as confrontational when you negotiate. This isn't a "take it or leave it" type of situation.

You both want something. You want employment and your employer wants a happy employee who will make them money. You both want to get to a happy medium. If the salary they offer doesn't get you to that place, it's okay to ask for more. It's such a common experience that most HR departments give hiring committees a small "negotiating" allowance specifically for the purpose of negotiating. In fact, in a lot of companies, they will actually offer you less than they normally would because they expect you to negotiate your way up a bit. And if you don't, that's savings for the company.

I'll say it again because it's worth repeating. It is extremely rare that a company will rescind a job offer because you asked for more money. They've spent tons of time and resources trimming down the candidate pool to decide on you. There's no way they're going to go back to the applicant pool just because you asked for more money. The worst they'll say is no, this is all we could offer you.
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TopicDo you negotiate salary on job offers? If not, you may be losing out on pay.
Zanzenburger
05/31/18 5:41:01 PM
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davyheinz posted...
What do you think about counter-offers when trying to leave?

At my prior job, I put in my two weeks notice and had a few discussions with my supervisor and the department head. My supervisor wanted me to stay really badly but I told them that I had gotten an offer for slightly more in salary (like $1500 more) and I was getting better benefits. Its all true, no nonsense there, but I didnt specify the amount of increase or salary in any way. The department head said he wouldnt do a counter-offer because they basically just dont do that. So I accepted the new job offer the next day and then kept on trucking.

About a week before I left, the department head asks if I changed my mind and want to stay. No concessions or anything. I said I am not backing out from the new job. I had already signed the job offer and been making steps to go on. Two days before I left, he messages me and asks if I am serious about leaving and he said he would be willing to make a counter-offer now. He said he would match whatever I was given. However, the new benefits at the time were very important to me because I get way more time off annually and better medical coverage which helped with the birth of my daughter. I also had to travel a lot on the previous job, which I didnt dislike, but could be bad with a newborn. I was kind of cheesed off at that point honestly, which it shouldnt be an emotional decision, and I said that I wasnt interested in staying.

I left on good terms, but the run around with the counter-offer and doing it with so little time left just didnt make sense to me or appeal to me whatsoever. I tend to think of it all as me being resolute and that they were not taking my intention to leave seriously enough, but sometimes I wonder if thats more common than I think it would be and maybe should have been open to negotiatons.

In this particular case, I think you made the right call. It seems the new job offered more than just salary as a perk.

But counter offers by your current employer are a thing, more common in some industries over another. If you have a good relationship with your employer, there is nothing wrong with accepting a counter offer. However, you take it before you give your official letter of resignation. After that, it just gets awkward cause HR has already started on the paperwork to post your position as open.
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TopicDo you negotiate salary on job offers? If not, you may be losing out on pay.
Zanzenburger
05/31/18 5:06:18 PM
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BlameAnesthesia posted...
Before med school I worked as a medical scribe. 99% of scribes were hired through a third party contractor that had an arrangement with an ER group and paid the scribes close to minimum wage and it was part time ($8/hr at the time). The company charged the ER group $20-25/hr to use one of their scribes. They knew the scribes would work for peanuts because it's great "clinical experience" that looks good on med school applications.

After I worked there for a year I thought to myself "screw the middleman" and advertised myself out to private offices looking for a scribe. I was fresh out of undergrad and had bills to pay. They couldn't afford these premium scribe services for $20-25/hr, but since I was freelance I negotiated to $17/hr full time with benefits. It's not the most impressive salary, but straight out of undergrad it was better than anything I could do that also increased my chances of getting into med school. And my scribe associates were all like, "wait you're allowed to do that?" and continued to work in the ER for much less than they were worth.

Learning to negotiate is the best skill anyone can have.

This is a great idea. I'm glad it worked out.

Yeah, negotiation is an art. This is an effective, if not unorthodox way of getting a higher salary. I'm actually working on something similar for myself. Universities contract out a lot of their work to these administration companies that find them skilled people to do a lot of their filing, computing, assessment, and other administrative work. My goal is to offer up my services directly to universities without the middle-man administration companies. The universities will likely save money and I'd get paid more than if I went through the third party.
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TopicDo you negotiate salary on job offers? If not, you may be losing out on pay.
Zanzenburger
05/31/18 5:03:28 PM
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KarmaMuffin posted...
Say you get an offer for $60k
You look up the average income for that position, title, city, degree, experience, etc. and it's something like $55k to $75k
You decide to meet in the middle and ask for $65k. Do you rationalize it like I did the above, or do you just put out the number?

Also, what about negotiating when you're right out of school and haven't had a 'real' job?

Regarding your first point, rationalizing it is always a great start. If your pay is below the median, negotiating for the median is a safe tactic.

You also want to analyze how your interview went. If you feel you rocked the interview and you can tell they really want you, or if you have some very specialized skills that are not easy to find in your industry/area, then ask for more. In your counter-offer email or phone call, you want to explain why you are worth the additional pay, and mention these skills that you have and remind them how good of a candidate you are. Also it is helpful to bring up the industry standards and why you should be paid the median (or above the median).

If you are an entry level candidate, you probably have less room to negotiate, but I would still encourage you to negotiate, at least a little. The above applies as well. How well did you do in your interview? Do you have any hard skills that they really need (like being bilingual, knowing a particular coding language, some kind of certification, etc)? The industry standard is to ask for 10-15% more than what they offer, but you could always come back with less than that if you feel that's too much. A 5% increase would be a soft ask that would give you a "win" and wouldn't cost your employer too much.

I negotiated a salary of $62500 up to $64000 and added an extra few days of vacation leave. I probably could have done more in the salary negotiation, but the vacation leave was really important to me so I settled for a $1500 increase. They accepted the increase as is without a counteroffer.
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TopicAnyone else playing Pokemon Quest >_>
Zanzenburger
05/31/18 10:54:53 AM
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Playing with Wartortle, Onyx, and Growlithe. I keep trying to get a Sandshrew but it either gives me a bunch of rhyhorns with the mud soup or Meowths with the yellow curry.
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TopicDo you negotiate salary on job offers? If not, you may be losing out on pay.
Zanzenburger
05/31/18 9:09:11 AM
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TopicDo you negotiate salary on job offers? If not, you may be losing out on pay.
Zanzenburger
05/30/18 5:19:52 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
I did when I was a mod

I negotiated a 25% increase when I got hired as a mod.
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TopicDo you negotiate salary on job offers? If not, you may be losing out on pay.
Zanzenburger
05/30/18 4:34:40 PM
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Master_Bass posted...
Good advice for the private sector.

I work at a university, so this can also work in some parts of the public sector.

CableZL posted...
I looked at how much people in my city with my certs make and threw out a number in the middle of the minimum and maximum. She just asked if I was aware that we also get an annual bonus, and I said yes. She didn't argue any further, so I'm hoping it gets approved. The background check process is going on right now.

Sounds like she'd good with it. I doubt they'd go through the background check without finalizing an amount with you (considering there's a chance you could turn down a lower offer).
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TopicDo you negotiate salary on job offers? If not, you may be losing out on pay.
Zanzenburger
05/30/18 4:29:46 PM
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prince_leo posted...
good advice
I tried explaining it to my wife last year but she was happy with what they offered, so eh

I will say that if you are happy with the offering, don't negotiate just for the sake of negotiating. This is something I disagree with that a lot of articles tell you to do. Negotiating takes a lot of effort, finesse, and back-and-forth. It's only worth pursuing if you really think you deserve more and think you can get it. Don't waste the employers' time with negotiating if you are happy with what they are offering.
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TopicDo you negotiate salary on job offers? If not, you may be losing out on pay.
Zanzenburger
05/30/18 4:28:19 PM
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T_M0ney posted...
Im getting ready for an offer in the next few days. I plan to counter even if they hit the number I said.

My current position I was pretty much backed into a corner and took off guard in my last interview to negotiate right then and there. I wont let that happen again!

That's great! Don't let them pressure you to make a decision right then and there. If you were patient enough to go through the whole hiring process (that probably took weeks to months), they can wait a day or two for you to make a decision. Counter with a reasonable, but significant, increase in salary, and see what they counter with. If you're lucky, they could just accept it as is. 10-15% increase is the suggested amount to counter with.

CableZL posted...
I am also getting ready for a job offer to go from being a contractor to a full time employee.

Awesome! Have you considered negotiating? Does your industry seem in favor of it?
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TopicAnyone else playing Pokemon Quest >_>
Zanzenburger
05/30/18 4:22:36 PM
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Is this only on the switch right now or can you download on mobile? I didn't see it on the android store.
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TopicDo you negotiate salary on job offers? If not, you may be losing out on pay.
Zanzenburger
05/30/18 4:21:02 PM
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TopicLol when small companies are like "combined experience of 20 years"
Zanzenburger
05/30/18 3:30:45 PM
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I've seen law firms that do this. I was looking for a lawyer a few years ago and saw at least 3 companies that used the "shared" experience of the attorneys in their firm to pad their numbers.
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TopicDo you negotiate salary on job offers? If not, you may be losing out on pay.
Zanzenburger
05/30/18 3:22:18 PM
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleystahl/2018/05/30/6-steps-for-negotiating-your-salary/#606a9b243f48

1. Plan to do it, no matter what. Your prospective employer expects you to negotiate. Even if they come in at what you were originally hoping for, its still common practice to make a counter offer. Follow these mindset tips to pump you up.

2. Never give your number first. You dont want to unknowingly anchor yourself too low. See where your prospective employer comes in first, and then go from there. If youre asked directly what youre looking for, say youre open based on the range.

3. Know your worth. Remember, your boss will respect you for asking for what you deserve. Know your worth, and dont let the initial offer intimidate you. Its not uncommon to go back and forth until you get to a place where all parties feel good.

4. Dont make it personal. Salary negotiation is strictly business. The company is making you an offer based on what you can bring to the table professionally and the level of responsibility youll be taking on. Please keep it professional, and dont start complaining about your student loan payments. Instead, point to your resume and use that as leverage.

5. Think ahead. The average raise in corporate America is hovering at around 3% per year. If you dont plan on leaving your job quickly, consider yourself stuck with this salary until you change positions or companies once again. Now is when you have the most leverage, so take advantage of it.

6. Take your time. Its OK to ask for 24 hours to think an offer over. If youre waiting for other offers to come back the same week, you can ask for a bit more time and let HR know that you are excited about the role, but currently weighing it against another offer. Let them know youd prefer to work for them, but you need to crunch the numbers and will get back to them within 72 hours. If they need an answer sooner, theyll tell you.


I'll add to this, you can also negotiate things besides salary. You can ask for relocation expenses, a particular parking space, annual leave, paying your share of the premium for your health benefits, etc.

When you have a job offer in hand, you have the power. It is extremely unlikely an employer would revoke your job offer for negotiating unless your demands are unreasonable. Most employers leave some wiggle room for negotiating since they expect it may happen.

At worst, you won't get anything more than what was offered. But if you don't ask, you could be leaving money on the table.

I just negotiated with my most recent job. I was able to bump my pay by an additional $1500 just by asking for it and asked for extra vacation leave (they initially declined to give it to me but changed their mind later).

Too many people I know are afraid to negotiate and lose out on some great perks. The only caveat to this is that you need to be offering something of value to the employer that is unique to you. So this likely won't work if you are doing a job where you are easily replaceable (i.e. hourly jobs, retail). If you have skills they want, and they are offering you the job, they must value those skills. Use that to your advantage.

TL:DR: Negotiate when you get a job offer. Start with salary, but if they won't budge, try for other perks.
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TopicDis is a normal sized turtle.
Zanzenburger
05/29/18 9:43:21 AM
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Since we're sharing pics of turtles, here are pictures of my three sulcata tortoises.

https://imgur.com/a/4O2BNkT
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TopicThe movie 'Rat Race' exists.
Zanzenburger
05/27/18 10:56:39 PM
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yusiko posted...
i think every character had a funny moment or two
even amy smart's character who could have been the token hot girl in the movie had that moment

im just gonna fly over and say hi to my boyfriend moment
her reaction was hilarious

True. Everyone had their role to play in the movie and they were hilarious when their "moment" came.

The squirrels scene, the bus driver birth scene in the bathroom, the helicopter chase, the airport tower scene, the Hitler scene at the WWII memorial, every scene with Newman and Mr Bean, the hot air balloon scene, and honorable mention to the being chased by a bunch of Lucy scenes.

The only part of the movie that was kinda lame was the Smash Mouth scene at the end. With all the zaniness throughout, you expected something with a little more payoff.
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TopicThe movie 'Rat Race' exists.
Zanzenburger
05/26/18 11:19:38 PM
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This was and is a great movie. One of my favorites. Just all around fun.

I loved all the bets that went on in the bakground during the casino scenes.
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TopicAre people still dating these days?
Zanzenburger
05/24/18 3:46:30 PM
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I took my wife on a date this past weekend, and told her to go get her hair done so we can dress up and go to a night out into town for dinner and a show. The lady doing her hair first asked if she was graduating that night (lots of high school graduations going on that night). My wife, amused she was mistaken for a high school student, told her that no, she was going on a date.

The hair stylist, who was pretty young (she says probably mid-20s), was very surprised. She's like "I didn't know guys even took girls on dates anymore. He's a keeper". My wife joked and was like "I hope so, we've been married 7 years".

Shocked, the hair stylist started talking in disbelief with the other hair stylists that my wife would be doing her hair for a date for a 7-year marriage that wasn't even an anniversary. They were asking her if she was pulling their leg.

Now I'll admit, the last time we went on a formal date before this was Christmas 2017, but is it that hard to believe that people go on dates out to eat at a nice restaurant and watch a theater show afterwards?

Maybe it was just weird cause we were married. But do younger, unmarried folks date anymore? I only ever hear of people "hanging out" or Netflix and chilling but no actual dates of the traditional kind.
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TopicDis is a normal sized turtle.
Zanzenburger
05/18/18 8:32:28 AM
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Loving all the turtle pics.
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TopicMan pays wife's student loans, she divorces him
Zanzenburger
05/14/18 12:32:40 PM
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TommyG663513 posted...
You still have those 3 adopted girls too? Another pretty dramatic turn there though I haven't seen you say anything about it for a while so I don't know where it stands.

lol right? How would that have worked out? But I actually don't have them anymore. There were some complications in transitioning them from foster children to adoptive kids and so we had to give them up to another home.
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TopicMan pays wife's student loans, she divorces him
Zanzenburger
05/14/18 12:21:56 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
Cleo_II posted...
My ex demanded one a week before our wedding and I said no.


Tbh, that is a shitty thing for him to do. It wouldn't even hold up--you need more time than that to review it/subject it to lawyers' analysis/etc.

My wife and I have one, but we worked it out soon after we got engaged on the fundamental basis that we wanted any end between us to be decided by the people we were at that time.


This is the part that bothers me about prenups. I got married at age 24. I was in grad school and didn't have a penny in my name at the time. I also made a couple of bonehead decisions that I look back at in shame. No way would I have wanted that guy to make those kinds of decisions for our future selves. I didn't even know what to expect in my future, and the nuances that would have made any kind of agreement outdated pretty quickly.

We've been married 7 years, and any prenup would have to be remade at least 7 times, as our value and life situation has changed dramatically, and with it, comes more wisdom. For example, our laser tag business. The business started as an equal partnership. However, I put more work at the beginning stages and took more risks (i.e. I took more loans in my name). If we split around that time, I would have fought for majority share of the business.

However, recently, due to a layoff and some health issues, my wife has taken over the business and renovated it completely, using her time and skills. She's in the process of installing and opening a beefed up restaurant in there to make it more like a Dave and Busters with laser tag. With the amount of work she's put into it, I'd be more willing to give her a bigger share of the business (liquidation or otherwise) because of that work she'd put into it and the return it's brought us. I make more anyways salary-wise so it wouldn't be a big deal for me.

24-year-old me wouldn't have been able to account for any of that. Heck, I had no idea we'd even own a laser tag business one day. I can't imagine a situation where my wife and I wouldn't be able to work out a divorce professionally if it came down to it. We've had some troubled points and got through them without ever disrespecting the other or trying to take the other down.
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TopicIs J Law really that bad in the X-Men movies?
Zanzenburger
05/14/18 12:09:38 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Darkman124 posted...
i dont blame her. i blame the writers.


You're probably right.

A similar thing happens to actors when they have a bad accent in a movie. I was just watching a bunch of Wired Youtube videos about it.

Watch Pitch Perfect 3. You won't know whether to laugh, cringe, or cry.
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TopicIs J Law really that bad in the X-Men movies?
Zanzenburger
05/14/18 11:18:49 AM
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Gheb posted...
She fine in the role as written.

The issue is the role written isn't very good. Mystique is an assassin and a bad person. This is how she is portrayed in the X-Men movies. In First Class we see she has start off a a good person who eventually goes bad, likely with the intent of continuing down that road so we get to the assassin Mystique of the X-Men movies. Then Jenifer Lawrence got huge and the movies capitalized on it by putting her in an increasingly important and heroic role which frankly didn't serve the story very well.

Yes, much like how X-Men 3 put a stronger emphasis on Storm after Halle Berry got big.
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TopicHave you ever met a waiter/waitress who didn't bitch about their job constantly?
Zanzenburger
05/08/18 3:48:05 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
Have you ever met anyone who works who didn't b**** about their job constantly?

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TopicBaby Boomers are starting to retire and the economy is starting to tank.
Zanzenburger
05/08/18 12:23:38 PM
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QassTank posted...
So what I'm getting from reading that article Zanzenburger linked is not that employers are sexist, but that women make different lifestyle choices. Which is exactly what I've been saying all along. I don't think that admitting this is a problem because my whole argument is that the wage gap myth is attempting to shove societal trends onto employers as a problem and make them out to be the "bad guy".

I also wonder if they factor in years of service into their calculations... I mean I have two employees that have the exact same position, but one makes more because they have been with the company far longer. At a given level of experience and length of employment, both employees get paid the same. But if you just look at position, there is a huge wage gap there, even factoring in that the higher paid employee works more. But again, this is somewhat a lifestyle choice.

I do believe that the stereotype that greedy old White men are actively trying to suppress wages for women is inaccurate and not based on reality. Kinda like the stereotype that rape typically happens in a back alley by a stranger. While that does happen, that's not where most of the cases lie.

The gender gap, as Covxy mentioned, is more a number of lifestyle and societal factors that make it difficult for women to compete with men in the workforce. While it is not explicitly the employer's fault, I think the argument is what are employers expected to do to help solve the problem. Women can't singlehandedly solve the problem on their own without employer support.

Obviously, employers are generally happy with the way things are, as changing anything would be costly and take a lot of extra work. Hence why laws against discrimination are passed to force employers to work towards providing a solution.

For the most part, it has been working. Women and minorities, who have traditionally been screwed over in the workplace, have made great gains as far as gaining employment, acquiring promotions, and increasing their salary. But there is still a ways to go.
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TopicBaby Boomers are starting to retire and the economy is starting to tank.
Zanzenburger
05/08/18 10:39:16 AM
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QassTank posted...
@Zanzenburger posted...
The gender wage gap isn't imaginary,

Uhh...

You realize the whole wage gap statistic is entirely misleading, and that when it is adjusted for the same job position and hours worked, the wage gap vanishes, right?
http://www.ncpathinktank.org/pdfs/ba392.pdf

But it does seem interesting that it would be possible for the average boomer to not have a lot of savings while they are also predicted as having a huge effect on the market? Maybe the savings figure isn't counting stocks?

Let's look at just one specific type of job: Management.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25472487?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

In companies where there are more male managers than female managers, income inequality between genders is more pronounced. However, once women reach more high status positions, the wage gap becomes more narrow. Not just for the "high status" women, but women at lower levels of management in the company. That's because they put more effort into giving more equal pay to other women, something male managers are less likely to do.

And part of it is an institutional sexism problem. Women are less likely to negotiate for a higher job salary because they are discouraged from doing so by society.

https://www.themuse.com/advice/why-women-must-ask-the-right-way-negotiation-advice-from-stanfords-margaret-a-neale

One of the questions she asked people is, When you got your offer, did you attempt to negotiate? She found that about 7% of women attempted to negotiate, while 57% of men did. Of those people who negotiated, they were able to increase their salary by over 7%. So, you can see that if women and men negotiated in similar proportions, that 7.6% difference would be cut dramatically.

It's not as cut and dry as "men pay women less" in the workforce. Most of the time it is not intentional. The problem is that women have not been given the same guidance and opportunities as men to improve their careers and salaries. A woman manager, who likely went through the same thing, are more likely to negotiate a higher salary for a new hire since she knows what equivalent male coworkers are making.

But a pay gap does exist. It's just that with more women achieving high ranking positions within companies, they are helping narrow that gap.
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TopicBaby Boomers are starting to retire and the economy is starting to tank.
Zanzenburger
05/08/18 9:38:48 AM
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Monolith1676 posted...
lilORANG posted...
Monolith1676 posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
Any way you look at it, we are headed for another financial crisis in the US. The question is, which one will hit first, the housing crisis exploding, the wage gap getting too out of hand, automation crippling the workforce, or the retirees problem as stated in this topic.


The wage gap?

I'm not sure the wage gap alone can cause a recession, but the wider it gets, the more impossible it will be to recover from a recession. We're still recovering from the 2008 one and it's because we bailed out the rich and never helped out the bulk of the population that actually spends money.


I thought dude meant the imaginary wage gap between men and women. Thank goodness I was wrong.

lol.

The gender wage gap isn't imaginary, but that isn't what I was referring to anyways. I was talking about income inequality between the poor and the rich and the lopsided distribution of income.
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