Current Events > Man pays wife's student loans, she divorces him

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A person I want to marry would happily sign a prenup. Any form of resistance means they're a goldigger and not worth marrying. Marriage should mean wanting to be with someone and enjoy the perks of actually being with them, not holding half their stuff ransom whether you stay together or not.

RIP Man Pays and the CE shot up to 97 incels...... =(
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don't seem states basically treat you like you are married if you have been living together for a certain amount of months

Skye Reynolds posted...

Gotta give the guy credit, he's so far resisted the urge to throw her off a bridge.

<_<

Yeah, just another reason to avoid marriage, in case it turns you into the Incredible Hulk
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Time to fake his death and start a new life

Offworlder1 posted...

Trust only goes so far, when money is concerned that is when you have safeguards, if you want to trust your wife then go ahead but dont be angry or shocked later if she f***s you over bug time should she divorce you.

I'm not allowed to be angry over the fact that my supposed wife screwed me over? I can't be shocked that she betrayed my trust after I went so far as to invest my life with her?

I have close female friends who would never do this to their significant others, why should I assume all women are the same?
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I'll almost certainly make more than whoever my future husband is, and I won't request a prenup.
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thecoolgu posted...

BloodyNate posted...

ToothpicksfDOOM posted...

Its not her fault . I blame the PATRIARCHY

Dark_SilverX posted...

the women nowadays are predators. be very aware

Fuck toxic thoughts like these goddamn

The second one isn't wrong.

Lol. So I guess you can't complain when women say "all men are pigs" then

Just cause there are some shitty women out there doesn't mean they're all shitty

Pepys Monster posted...

MGTOWs go looking for articles like this just so they can say "See? Women are evil! So glad I went my own way."

Lol shut the fuck up. You were bitching about how "all girls don't want good men, they only want Chad"
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In what way is she entitled to the house and his retirement?
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@Sad_Face

Not when you know a prenup can protect you and when you know that you could be seriously fucked over. Ignoring the facts and thinking Im the exception is a path many bitter divorced men have taken, do you want to to be another added to those ranks ?

If you want to roll the dice and take that gamble feel free to do so but some risks are not worth taking and this is one that statistics and people have said is a bad gamble to take.
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The expert he wrote to seems to think he'll be fine outside of losing the money he used to pay for the debts his wife had.
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l always see these things about assets being split and women getting everything and I wonder why my mom got so fucked over when my dad walked out on her.
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hockeybub89 posted...

l always see these things about assets being split and women getting everything and I wonder why my mom got so fucked over when my dad walked out on her.

He probably got a better lawyer then hers.

Coffeebeanz posted...

I'll almost certainly make more than whoever my future husband is, and I won't request a prenup.

not if you marry another doctor

hockeybub89 posted...

l always see these things about assets being split and women getting everything and I wonder why my mom got so fucked over when my dad walked out on her.

My mom got screwed over because she trusted my dad too much, and also her lawyer sucked while my dad probably got a really good one.

But yeah my dad really screwed my mom over in their divorce too.
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This example is why you get a prenup or just don't get married
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Solid Snake07 posted...

the only correct answer is to get a lawyer. And a good one.

Feel for the guy. If I were him I would absolutely go to the mattresses with this bitch. I'd spend every dime I had to screw her before I gave her another penny

And in the end youd lose even more.

PhazonReborn posted...

just don't get married

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Just more ammo for MTGOW

alexander37 posted...

RIP Man Pays and the CE shot up to 97 incels...... =(

LOL.

Bobby Betabux here really screwed up. Never, ever trust a 3D female.
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Offworlder1 posted...

Not when you know a prenup can protect you and when you know that you could be seriously f***ed over. Ignoring the facts and thinking Im the exception is a path many bitter divorced men have taken, do you want to to be another added to those ranks ?

If you want to roll the dice and take that gamble feel free to do so but some risks are not worth taking and this is one that statistics and people have said is a bad gamble to take.

I can't wrap my head around this concept. I shouldn't have to put barriers against anyone I'm living with if I want to sleep comfortably at night. If it came down to it, then I might as well avoid marrying outright.
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BloodyNate posted...

Entering a marriage with a prenup is akin to planning to divorce

this philosophy is stupid

Esrac posted...

In what way is she entitled to the house and his retirement?

the author of the article warned him not to use mediation

probably it's an aggressive ask to make her bargaining position at mediation seem stronger

when in reality there's likely a high ROI on going to court
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Darkman124 posted...

this philosophy is stupid

Nah brah. It's psychological. Marriage, inherently, is intended to be a lifelong commitment. Going into it with a prenup is setting up a psychological backdoor so that if things go wrong, you have an easy "abort" button.

What's stupid is this incredibly cynical view towards relationships that if two people want to go into a romantic commitment without one, that they are stupid.

Having faith and love in your partner and a mutual agreement to work out the worst of circumstances together is stupid. And that's a tragedy.
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Marriage is scary.
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AlisLandale posted...

Darkman124 posted...

this philosophy is stupid

Nah brah. It's psychological. Marriage, inherently, is intended to be a lifelong commitment. Going into it with a prenup is setting up a psychological backdoor so that if things go wrong, you have an easy "abort" button. If you're that cynical, why bother getting married? Its not for everyone and there's nothing wrong with that.

What's stupid is this incredibly cynical view towards relationships that if two people want to go into a romantic commitment without one, that they are stupid.

Having faith and love in your partner and a mutual agreement to work out the worst of circumstances together is stupid. And that's a tragedy.

Why does marriage have to be considered some permanent, unbreakable thing? Why can't we consider something that has the potential to breakdown in the future? Do you think it would be better not to have car insurance because it might give you a "psychological backdoor" that allows you to be less careful?

AlisLandale posted...

Darkman124 posted...

this philosophy is stupid

Nah brah. It's psychological. Marriage, inherently, is intended to be a lifelong commitment. Going into it with a prenup is setting up a psychological backdoor so that if things go wrong, you have an easy "abort" button. If you're that cynical, why bother getting married? Its not for everyone and there's nothing wrong with that.

What's stupid is this incredibly cynical view towards relationships that if two people want to go into a romantic commitment without one, that they are stupid.

Having faith and love in your partner and a mutual agreement to work out the worst of circumstances together is stupid. And that's a tragedy.

the functional purpose of prenups is prevention of archaic laws from having unintended consequences

and for any marital property division to be made by a decision of people who love each other, rather than people who no longer care about one another
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You guys realize that just because the wife is asking for the house and retirement, doesnt mean shell actually get it right? Dude just needs a lawyer.

Cleo_II posted...

You guys realize that just because the wife is asking for the house and retirement, doesnt mean shell actually get it right? Dude just needs a lawyer.

Yeah I can't imagine any judge would actually grant her those things after 2 years of marriage and having all her debt paid off
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Cleo_II posted...

You guys realize that just because the wife is asking for the house and retirement, doesnt mean shell actually get it right? Dude just needs a lawyer.

Mhm. It appears to be an initial highball ask with expectation of getting whatever she really wants in mediation.

The article advises against going to mediation at all and suggests he go to court, and I think that's smart--a strong ask ahead of mediation suggests that the actual objective is probably less fair to him than the court would be, given the short duration of the marriage.
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I also wouldnt marry someone who demanded a prenup of me. And Im no gold digger. My ex demanded one a week before our wedding and I said no. At the time, he was jobless but owned a home outright through inheritance. He had taken out a huge home loan ($200k) and already had $100k on it (which he hid from me until a few months before). I was the only one working and was spending my entire pay checks helping him pay it off. He wanted a prenup to protect his house. Somehow he thought it was ok for me to take on his debt though. Fuck that. We called off the wedding (for other reasons) and he remained jobless for another 2 years. Who knows what that debt became. If someone is a bad judge of character and requires a prenup from me, then Im not marrying them.

This sounds fake kinda
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Uh, a prenup would prevent taking their debt. Unless you're a co-signer for the debt or something.

that's pretty shitty but I've seen worse

one of my girlfriend's coworkers was a drug addict with multiple kids with learning disorders. she found some loser to fix her and take care of her kids. not even quite before the younger son was 18 she divorced her husband to go back to the person she loved as a wastoid meth head.

that's it, I'm not sure that she took much from her but tbh that seems like a lot worse than a strictly monetary thing to me. I think they were together for like a decade lol
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Cleo_II posted...

My ex demanded one a week before our wedding and I said no.

Tbh, that is a shitty thing for him to do. It wouldn't even hold up--you need more time than that to review it/subject it to lawyers' analysis/etc.

My wife and I have one, but we worked it out soon after we got engaged on the fundamental basis that we wanted any end between us to be decided by the people we were at that time.
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Wait wait wait you mean gold diggers are real?

You mean I should date for more than a week before getting married?

What is this common sense crap you expect from me?
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he's gonna get boned in court

he's lucky they don't have kids, otherwise the judges would bone him even harder since he's a man

Balrog0 posted...

that's pretty shitty but I've seen worse

one of my girlfriend's coworkers was a drug addict with multiple kids with learning disorders. she found some loser to fix her and take care of her kids. not even quite before the younger son was 18 she divorced her husband to go back to the person she loved as a wastoid meth head.

that's it, I'm not sure that she took much from her but tbh that seems like a lot worse than a strictly monetary thing to me. I think they were together for like a decade lol

I'm not sure it's quite the same thing if they were together for a decade
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how much puss she gave him?

stop crying, she earned it all
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eston posted...

I'm not sure it's quite the same thing if they were together for a decade

I dunno that I follow, are you saying someone who could, through a combination of self-deception and shameless selfishness, delude themselves or their spouse into being together for two years couldn't do it for 10?
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This is some ice cold branch swinging. Dude didn't see it coming and didn't want to admit he was had probably because he was still in love with her and figured they would be partners forever in life. It took me a long time to realize that women are realists masquerading as romantics and its the men that are romantics masquerading as realists.

I've seen this enough times to realize enough women are like this and men should beware. The most common financial catastrophe a well-to-do man can suffer is that of divorce. I knew a guy who supported her wife through school and THE WEEK she got her degree she divorced him. They actually had kids though and she blindsided him with this. He used to come in 45 minutes early to work everyday to coming in late everyday until they fired him.

Another guy I know lost his house and half his pension he worked hard for his whole to his wife because he had a 2 year unemployment gap. Women will not accept helping a man out financially like a man will.
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You know, I said earlier that I wouldn't get a prenup if I was getting married, but I don't know. Maybe it would be best for everyone to get a prenup basically saying that if there is a divorce, no one gets any alimony or financial benefits. There shouldn't be a financial incentive to get divorced.

To respond to Cleo, this is something you really have to talk about from the very beginning. If you can't talk about this or the other person refuses to talk about this, you shouldn't get married to that person to begin with.
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Balrog0 posted...

eston posted...

I'm not sure it's quite the same thing if they were together for a decade

I dunno that I follow, are you saying someone who could, through a combination of self-deception and shameless selfishness, delude themselves or their spouse into being together for two years couldn't do it for 10?

I'm saying that in a relationship that lasted that long it's unlikely she was just doing it to take advantage, and I'm not sure what about that situation you see as being comparable to the one in the OP
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This is an mra topic isn't it

eston posted...

I'm saying that in a relationship that lasted that long it's unlikely she was just doing it to take advantage, and I'm not sure what about that situation you see as being comparable to the one in the OP

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I'm saying I don't understand why you think 2 years and 10 years are that different in this context. I think it's kind of weird you do. When does it become implausible to you? 3? 4? 5? 6 years? I do admit there's a difference but you're clearly making an entirely arbitrary distinction here. I thought you might try to justify it.

What I see as being comparable is someone using a person for gain and then leaving them when they don't need their financial support any more.
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I'm willing to bet he was a total doormat and all around could see that she didn't love him.
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If I was really into someone enough to want to get married to them, like just head over heels in love with them...it would take far more than a simple request of a prenup to turn me off on being with them. I would gladly cooperate with any reasonable prenuptial agreement if that is what would help my partner feel more comfortable with our union.

To me, getting upset over a partner asking for a prenup is like getting insulted that they wanted to use a condom to have sex with you.

"Why do we need a condom? You think I'm not honest about my last check up? YOU DON'T TRUST ME?!"

https://imgur.com/mGrAnrV

If you're going to throw away a relationship just because the other person asked for some premarital agreements, you're weak and pretentious...
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If me and my wife split up she'd deserve half. Before I met her I was on minimum wage job. She's the one who gave me the confidence and support to get a better paying job so in reality the fact I'm earning more is down to her 90%. I imagine this is the same for most men.
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this is why you don't date or marry women with bad credit or debt
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TheMikh posted...

this is why you don't date or marry women with bad credit or debt

Or on the other hand you do as they are easier to control.
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Darkman124 posted...

Cleo_II posted...

My ex demanded one a week before our wedding and I said no.

Tbh, that is a shitty thing for him to do. It wouldn't even hold up--you need more time than that to review it/subject it to lawyers' analysis/etc.

My wife and I have one, but we worked it out soon after we got engaged on the fundamental basis that we wanted any end between us to be decided by the people we were at that time.

This is the part that bothers me about prenups. I got married at age 24. I was in grad school and didn't have a penny in my name at the time. I also made a couple of bonehead decisions that I look back at in shame. No way would I have wanted that guy to make those kinds of decisions for our future selves. I didn't even know what to expect in my future, and the nuances that would have made any kind of agreement outdated pretty quickly.

We've been married 7 years, and any prenup would have to be remade at least 7 times, as our value and life situation has changed dramatically, and with it, comes more wisdom. For example, our laser tag business. The business started as an equal partnership. However, I put more work at the beginning stages and took more risks (i.e. I took more loans in my name). If we split around that time, I would have fought for majority share of the business.

However, recently, due to a layoff and some health issues, my wife has taken over the business and renovated it completely, using her time and skills. She's in the process of installing and opening a beefed up restaurant in there to make it more like a Dave and Busters with laser tag. With the amount of work she's put into it, I'd be more willing to give her a bigger share of the business (liquidation or otherwise) because of that work she'd put into it and the return it's brought us. I make more anyways salary-wise so it wouldn't be a big deal for me.

24-year-old me wouldn't have been able to account for any of that. Heck, I had no idea we'd even own a laser tag business one day. I can't imagine a situation where my wife and I wouldn't be able to work out a divorce professionally if it came down to it. We've had some troubled points and got through them without ever disrespecting the other or trying to take the other down.
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