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TopicDo you like this character? Day 1536: The Undertaker (WWE)
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04/03/24 2:51:19 PM
#53
I think his presence and character work elevated a career with a lot of meh ring work and promos, and some standout matches to firmly "good" even if yeah he had a lot of bad stuff there (even though I'd say most of the truly bad stuff was before the attitude era)

I think it's all under the same umbrella though. Taker having a compelling character MADE matches and promos better. I think it's dumbing down wrestling as an artform to just try and isolate the character from these things entirely.

Now if you hated the character it becomes harder to say this guy was good in the ring or on the mic but at that point you're not really trying to be objective about it and it's just your preferences. The character was legendary and his performance at it was legendary.

Which I mean you can absolutely say no in spite of this, this topic series has nothing to do with being objective. I'm just taking umbrage with him being called "bad in the ring"-- he probably shouldn't really be considered that by any objective measure that is taking the total package into play.

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TopicWhich four games are on the Wii Mount Rushmore?
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04/03/24 10:43:12 AM
#75
Wii Sports
Wii Fit
Super Smash Bros Brawl
Super Mario Galaxy

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TopicDo you like this character? Day 1536: The Undertaker (WWE)
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04/03/24 10:08:33 AM
#50
Yeah I dunno. Maybe the IWC has changed a lot since I paid attention to it (I frequented wrestling forums in the 2000s) but imo that would be a "hot take" and certainly not one I'd agree with.

But to each their own-- I personally can't stand to watch like 95% of Triple H matches (we probably share common ground in thinking his mania matches with Taker are garbage-- I actually preferred their first mania match in the early 00s to his hyped ones) and a lot of people say he's good too.

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TopicDo you like this character? Day 1536: The Undertaker (WWE)
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04/03/24 6:30:14 AM
#48
I think we value character work very differently for promo skill if you're going to claim he was a bad promo.

I'm not saying Undertaker was an amazing promo and his material was often garbage, but he did what he needed to to bring hype for his character and the match/feud. Like I definitely think it's the type of character that can just devolve into long winded pointless babble ala Bray Wyatt but Undertaker generally didn't do that and would just talk about souls and shit and how the other guy was gonna rest in peace and be on his way. I'm not going to go find Undertaker promos on YouTube to watch but in the context of the show it was effective and never made me want to change the channel.

Like he's nowhere near my favorite but this "he's a bad wrestler and/or a bad promo" stuff is completely alien to me. Not even normal workrate snob smarks think that generally-- this is a very bold proclamation.

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TopicRate the Ace Attorney case: Bridge to the Turnabout (3-5)
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04/03/24 12:01:14 AM
#20
9.1

Edgeworth interacting with the spiritual stuff salvages it quite a bit for me, but I do think the heavy focus on that stuff is what keeps this case from being anywhere near 2-4 quality for me. (And also prefer 1-5)

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TopicDo you like this character? Day 1536: The Undertaker (WWE)
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04/02/24 8:34:37 PM
#46
I would put him firmly "good" at both though

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TopicDo you like this character? Day 1536: The Undertaker (WWE)
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04/02/24 5:58:02 PM
#44
Ok that's fair

I mean I don't agree he generally had bad matches after like 1995 or so, particularly not enough to be considered the poster child of them.

I also love dumb hokey stuff and question why people who are staunchly against it would be into pro wrestling to begin with (and no it's not just a WWE thing WWE just has more of it) so obviously I don't care about that aspect.

But yeah. That's fair. I'm not saying he should have 100% like I was just wondering why it was all the wrestling mega nerds saying no.

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TopicMarvel Snap Topic 21: Meta Pixie Dream Girl
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04/02/24 4:32:48 PM
#247
I wouldn't mind getting Red Hulk but I'll never put any weight into drawing for him.

I do think he might be cool in a Sandman deck.

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TopicDo you like this character? Day 1536: The Undertaker (WWE)
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04/02/24 4:12:39 PM
#37
NBIceman posted...
Obviously, known outrage merchant and cancel culture supporter NBIceman must surely be using that criteria as his basis and not judging based on the onscreen character.

Obviously this is sarcasm but I don't know you well enough to know you're NOT these things and it definitely fits the profile of Steiner at minimum.

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TopicMarvel Snap Topic 21: Meta Pixie Dream Girl
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04/02/24 4:07:35 PM
#242
He has. Specifically I remember the Sister Grimm variant having that honor lol

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TopicDo you like this character? Day 1536: The Undertaker (WWE)
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04/02/24 3:52:45 PM
#34
What's up with the wrestling elitist crew saying no did he do something dumb we're supposed to be outraged over recently

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TopicRate the Ace Attorney case: Turnabout Beginnings (3-4)
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04/02/24 2:48:42 AM
#23
7

Much better than the opener but yeah still don't get the hype

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TopicFill in the Blank 244: Ice ___
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04/02/24 2:46:55 AM
#38
Blade

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TopicMarvel Snap Topic 21: Meta Pixie Dream Girl
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04/01/24 1:52:51 AM
#228
I still haven't really found a War Machine deck I like yet. I almost think he might just be best in a deck that doesn't really use him as completely a tech card but I dunno.

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TopicFill in the Blank 243: Fire ___
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04/01/24 12:48:07 AM
#16
It Up

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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04/01/24 12:47:34 AM
#233
I mean

I said a lot of stuff BUT I think if we did pursue that line it would have been a way to catch Sbell + Corrik.

The problem is I say too much stuff. We just need someone to catch the right time of the day when we intersect the broken clock.

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 10:49:39 PM
#228
Funny thing is I said "if Ulti was playing this role right he'd have 3 town 2 scum on it as a hedge" and was shouted down there too

And sure enough, 3 town 2 scum was what was on it

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 10:41:36 PM
#225
UltimaterializerX posted...
I also baited for a bussing plan. Im not a top tier player or anything but give me more credit than lol I scan guilty guyz. I was trying to make my team (specifically SBell) look good.

Everyone says I'm insane but I was actually giving you credit for that when I was suspecting Mzero

You'd rather crap on me than take the compliment though

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 10:35:46 PM
#222
Okay Chris I'll play if you'll put that much effort in to get us our own forum and such

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 10:04:31 PM
#208
Anyway me saying you were scummy isn't an excuse for me playing badly

I'm just saying you were scummy and it's easier for you to solve when you don't have to determine whether you're scum or not so it's not some badge of honor to get 2 scum when 60% of the remaining players for you to choose from are scum

I didn't have a good game but I'm not saying going for your head was even top 10 in my errors. Your head deserved to be hunted at that point.

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 9:54:04 PM
#203
Town just did poorly all around

Which is all I'm saying

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 9:52:25 PM
#200
changmas posted...
but i assumed it was the former.

It was yeah

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 9:52:05 PM
#199
I'll ignore the health thing because you know, fair

SirChris posted...
I could basically only exclusively do conspiracy theories and zany ideas if i wanted powers.

SirChris posted...
sorry FD hammered you when I was away?

And last game was you whining about not being able to ISO all game

But yeah, no excuses ever

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 9:48:30 PM
#196
SirChris posted...
I don't.

Uh huh

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 9:46:10 PM
#194
I don't start the beef, Kirby

I think people just like trying to feel better about themselves and the guy who is trying to win is an easy target to rag on

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 9:43:54 PM
#191
Like the whole reason I said the poe was shit was it assumed a late game town lynch had zero scum on it

If you did Sultan x Corrik or Sultan x Sbell -- actually not a shit POE.

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 9:37:41 PM
#188
It was a shit poe with 2 scum remaining though

Amusingly you were the guy who shot down 5 scum setup

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 9:31:38 PM
#186
SirChris posted...
You asked me to solve with you after fd murdered you, and I did

No you didn't

If you put 1/4 the effort into day 3 when I was dead as you did into day 4 I would have thought you were town

If you want an idea of what effort looks like when I was dying, look at wall

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 9:26:58 PM
#181
SirChris posted...
I was wrong early but once I thought you were town again I got to the right place. You tunneled me for it. gg maybe next time.

I didn't tunnel you till you lynched me my guy

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 9:26:09 PM
#180
Like you can't say I was controlling any lynches for as much as you wanted

Death was me compromising and going with Chris
Ulti was scanned
Lea didn't listen to me who to shoot at all
Chris then lynched me

Yeah I helped get Chris lynched day 4 but acting like I was driving town into bad plays is a huge misrepresentation of what actually happened


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TopicRate the Ace Attorney case: Recipe for Turnabout (3-3)
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03/31/24 9:19:30 PM
#3
8

This case has possibly the best set of single case characters for me which helps a lot. Viola Cadaverini is amazing. That being said the story of the case itself isn't too gripping.

3-2 - 6.5/10. Unoffensive filler case

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 9:15:19 PM
#178
Kirby321 posted...
Let's be real, if Chris didn't shoot me, you would've campaigned for my mislynch the very next day

If he's just going to lynch me the next day there's no point in lowering my POE is the point. He should just shoot who he thinks is scum. I actually thought it was a good shot if he was sure I was town and wanted me to do something productive the next day

Using it as food to lynch me and trying to blame it all on me is just him doing exactly what he (wrongly) accuses me of. Super bad play.

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 8:47:41 PM
#174
Anyway I'm sorry if this game wasn't fun for people

I still had fun and honestly had no intention to attack Chris for a bad game until he started attacking me first

Chris being better equipped to solve the game is meaningless given he was the main mislynch on the board for good reason he led like 2 mislynches and shot a guy he thought was town and blamed one of his mislynches for it

Yes he had a better idea of who the scum were. Being able to remove yourself from the POE when you played a super scummy game is actually helpful for solving

So yes I'd vote him again. This isn't me being stubborn this is me saying there was no reason to townread him and if town is going to play like that I'm going to be wrong a lot. And so will other town. The only reason Chris had difficulty getting votes is 3/6 living people were scum.

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 8:24:51 PM
#169
Kirby321 posted...
Except for Lopen. Overconfidence to the point of drowning everybody out to push your own inflexible reads... only to be completely wrong about the scum team is just too priceless lol

I don't think that's really what happened but ok

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 8:23:44 PM
#168
I think most people thought BCT was most likely town but Lea had the gun

I could have had her shoot Corrik instead though. Unfortunately thought they were both town

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 7:48:19 PM
#160
It is w/only 2 scum left tbh

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 7:41:12 PM
#157
Anyway I think pretty much everyone had a bad game but pointing fingers and saying you had a good one is incorrect

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 7:35:04 PM
#153
You know I'm town till you don't

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 7:31:00 PM
#149
I would do it again.

You had 3 days to cook and gave us 2 town lynches and a vig shot on town you claimed you thought was town.

I'm sorry you had health issues but I had way to know.

It's the same reason towns mislynch me. You push bad lynches you get killed. Pure effort should be enough to give a pass and you know if you'd put in as much as you did the last day the whole game I never lynch you but yeah

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 7:20:25 PM
#146
I just think the game was winnable yesterday

I wanted to discuss and you were not going with it

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 7:15:03 PM
#139
Wallz was wrong about me and I give him no shade

Because you can tell he was trying

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 7:14:15 PM
#138
I tried to win before the end of the game

You didn't.

The latter made you seem like scum. I'd put that more on you

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 7:11:54 PM
#135
So yes I think I was justified voting you

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 7:11:26 PM
#132
You had 3 days to cook and your answer was to vig a guy you thought was town and lynch town

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 7:09:20 PM
#124
SirChris posted...
I mean, I did ask you to re-evaluate but you know

Try harder when I'm alive

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 7:07:10 PM
#119
Anyway we had 3 scum left so we were hosed

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 7:06:38 PM
#118
SirChris posted...
oh cool I had the right idea

After killing town 4x in a row yes

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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 7:04:06 PM
#115
Lopen posted...
Anyway why are you talking about my dead reads. I'm right here and I'm going to flip town. Pick my brain while I'm alive


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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 7:00:30 PM
#107
Lopen posted...
Anyway the point is

Unlike Ulti I hadn't claimed before this

There is no reason to not give me a chance to say things before I'm hammered. What if I claimed a guilty scan on someone. "Oops! Sorry guys!"

It's really hard to dress this Cthulhu summoning as a town move. Especially given you hadn't really committed to me being scum today


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TopicCYOF Mafia Day 4
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03/31/24 5:58:26 PM
#76
Lopen posted...
I can't be destroyed so easily.

I bet you wish you could vote me right now, but look at you. Completely pitiful. Helpless.


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