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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 7:14:45 PM
#138
Personally I'm wondering if Hb is scum who is defending Ulti and pocketing wallz or if he's town who really just wants to one up me because I tore into his play super hard last game we played together

Because man you're REALLY reaching for some of this stuff

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 7:13:19 PM
#137
Hbthebattle posted...
If you think Ulti is trying to push the argument there, why are you engaging in it?

Because the argument isn't about whether he's actually at work or not it's "he's acting differently despite the situation being the same by what he claimed was the case-- so why is that?"

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 7:09:38 PM
#135
The more I think about it the more I think that wallz as scum probably doesn't note Ulti's behavior as "different" if they're both scum. I feel as a newer player here he wouldn't have the audacity to bus his teammate that way even if I felt it was a distancing maneuver earlier.

Ulti x Plum much more likely than Ulti x Wallz atm.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 6:58:18 PM
#131
Hbthebattle posted...
Couldn't you make this same argument for any player, though? Why is Ulti specifically needing to be targeted for pockets of activity vs inactivity?

Name another player who is being vastly more or less active than the norm? You can't exactly make this same argument for any player because it doesn't apply to any player.

I can name exactly one other and it has influenced my read there as well

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 6:51:46 PM
#125
You said I was posting "fluff" earlier (me and Ulti) when I was trying to build a case on Ulti, Wallz, and Ben. I have no idea why you came to the conclusion I was posting "fluff"

Ironic because I felt that's been your whole game. Just a lot of empty buzzwords that don't really apply to what's going on. Saying Ulti "just does things" to handwave what he's doing at all points. Saying Sbell is "loud wrong" when he... wasn't particularly loud or particularly wrong.

Reading your posts thus far has felt like I'm sitting first row on a campaign trail. Just a lot of stuff that sounds relevant to talk about without any evidence there's actual thought behind them.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 6:45:54 PM
#120
I responded to you directly earlier and announced my suspicion then so you should know why.

Granted that was just one in a recurring theme.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 6:42:39 PM
#117
What? Don't I? I totally do. I know as scum you'll implode with just the right pressure applied, whereas as town you'll implode yourself. I seek redemption for Karate Kid mafia. I think today is my day.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 6:39:02 PM
#115
Quite the contrary

I would want people to pin it on me

I take my plum reading abilities very seriously. I pride myself in them.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 6:37:34 PM
#113
htaeD posted...
Scenario 1 is what he claims it is. And to me that doesnt make him more or less scummy.

To me it does depending on when he said it (when did he say this?)

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 6:34:33 PM
#109
UltimaterializerX posted...
Yeah Plum is scum. I was getting there. You have my vote in spirit!

UltimaterializerX posted...
SCUMMONED

Then tries to divert to Corrik despite Plum gaining momentum and takes his ball and goes home

REAL INTERESTING. If Ulti or Plum flip scum you have your second lead pretty easily.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 6:28:49 PM
#106
You think it's wrong to be suspicious because you're playing differently and you're town?

Then find scum. Help get this lynch of Plum going.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 6:27:28 PM
#105
I am saying you were telling the truth about being at work. Stop misrepresenting what people are saying so you can be the victim and play the game.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 6:26:26 PM
#103
Lea vote Plum with us

Everyone vote Plum

Let's consolidate wagons earlier in the day please

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 6:23:53 PM
#101
Like we're focusing on whether Ulti is telling the truth about being at work when that isn't the relevant thing

The relevant things are this, and they are factual.

Ulti is playing differently than previous games where he was busy at work.
Ulti is claiming he is busy at work.

Those are both truths from evidence and direct statements. So let us assume he is telling the truth because he wouldn't lie about real life for a mafia game. Then you have two options, one of which is likely true.

  1. He is busy at work but perhaps less busy than he was before.
  2. He is busy at work but mafia is taking more of his attention in spite of that.
I feel either scenario paints him as likely scum. The former because his threshold of busyness that makes him claim he is busy is lower as scum because he's defensive. The latter because mafia is a team game and being lynched as scum is playing poorly and directly failing your mates. Being mislynched as town is more easily blown off as "well town misplayed" and easier to accept.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 6:14:54 PM
#97
I do not believe the reaction of Kirby is townish or scummish, just Kirbyish. It is consistent with Kirby's feeling about out of game speculation.

I don't believe Ulti is exonorated by showing a timesheet and I think him trying to derail the discussion into that so hard looks bad for him. He is moving the argument into an easily defensible position rather than focusing on game content where he is more soundly beaten.

As said before, there is another angle to take-- Scum Ulti would be more concerned with not failing his team in Mafia than town Ulti would so would be more likely to take his attention at work. The difference in behavior IS present regardless of whether he is at work or not, him being busy at work or not isn't completely relevant here.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 5:58:04 PM
#80
##Unvote:
##Vote: Plum

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 5:45:53 PM
#70
I also think there is a lot more meat on the bone than "lying about being at work" so let's not just let Ulti walk for this being out of bounds or whatever

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 5:44:19 PM
#68
Ulti twisting Sbell's argument into a victim worthy thing feels like a manipulation here. Not really how the original argument was going I feel.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 4:32:19 PM
#31
Obellisk posted...
It means if i am wrong about the first part that it would have to mean the second. And yes we can all agree the second would be preposterous


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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 4:23:23 PM
#24
If only I waited 1 second

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 4:22:19 PM
#21
He thinks he is not wrong

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 4:19:10 PM
#19
UltimaterializerX posted...
Youre actually seriously accusing me of lying about work multiple times across multiple games? Thats the angle youre going with?

Just this game looks like

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 4:09:30 PM
#12
##Unvote:
##Vote: Ulti

Heartfelt and moving let's catch this scum for sbell

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 3:56:12 PM
#9
I did no such thing!

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!
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03/30/23 3:53:09 PM
#6
I think if Ulti was town calling me scum he would probably be brazenly citing some game from 2010 by now and saying how I always do ___.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 3:20:12 PM
#440
I don't think you're scum because you're active I think you're scum for other reasons

I'm just saying if you're really analyzing reasons behind stuff you could say "scum ulti would be more active despite work being busy" for a reason that ISN'T "town ulti lies about being busy at work"

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 3:16:14 PM
#434
Leafeon13N posted...
Also one game is not a pattern. Corrik has years of history on b8.

This is why I'm not necessarily assuming lump Corrik as town, but I do believe that to say "it's impossible to believe Corrik is town he only has two posts" is wrong

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


There are other reasons this could be the case

Perhaps Ulti is at peace with being mislynched as town because he can blame it on town playing poorly, but as scum he doesn't want to let his team down so posts more despite work being busy.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 2:52:57 PM
#424
Peace___Frog posted...
I do find it hilarious that i was pressured about the corrik read more than the red one. Good stuff.

Corrik as town being disbelieved by Hb and Ulti as a thing that could possibly be considered is probably the biggest reason I'm leaning town on him right now

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 2:26:56 PM
#416
Every game I've seen scum corrik in he goes hard on his logic behind what he's voting whereas as town he will be more arrogant as you said-- the arrogance is what replaces the logic as the filler.

Though I will agree with the timing. At this moment it is probably null because the time to catch him is later than the first bit of the game.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 2:18:11 PM
#413
By the way I'm only unpacking this because I do not believe Peaf is scum and I do not believe Kirby is scum, so them going at each other is a waste of time

Corrik is whatever I'm not going to argue hard against him being lynched

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 2:14:50 PM
#411
Like with Corrik we have three options

  1. He's town and playing like town. That means eventually he'll actually do something.
  2. He's town and he's playing like a worthless lump. That means he's trolling which sucks but oh well.
  3. He's scum and he's playing like town because he's a good scum player.
For the record despite my saying "policy lynch Corrik" I would not lynch him over Wallz or Ulti at this moment if he didn't post anymore today. I also wouldn't lynch him over Hb or Plum as they still have unresolved suspicion flags. I WOULD lynch him over Ben-- enough doubts at this time on Ben being scum that I'd sooner take a chance that it's scum Corrik attempting to emulate lump Corrik (and the damage control is that if lump Corrik is lynched that's good he can stop joining games)

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 2:09:55 PM
#409
Scum corrik actually justifies his takes a bit more

That is his tell imo

That's not to say town Corrik won't do that at times but I think it takes more massaging for town Corrik to get there

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 2:08:06 PM
#405
Town Corrik throws his vote around and makes reads that are seemingly based on nothing. He feels in his town range right now.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 2:05:42 PM
#400
UltimaterializerX posted...
Didnt you just say you wanted to lynch him for afking?

If he plays like he did last game as town afking we'd be doing us a favor

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 2:04:02 PM
#395
I lean town on Corrik for the record too btw

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 1:56:57 PM
#378
Hbthebattle posted...
There's a clear difference here - Ulti before was bringing a lot of attention to his role, but this time it's been mostly about his flavor. That is unique for someone like Ulti who loves claiming he has an ultra-super-special role all the time.

You're making a point wallz himself isn't making and one that is also wrong.

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 1:54:22 PM
#374
UltimaterializerX posted...
Lopen please use other punctuation to make life easier on the host.

##Okay

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 1:52:43 PM
#372
wallmasterz posted...
I agree with ulti feeling different this game. The only two times Ive played with him he was town cleared almost immediately for claiming bulletproof doctor and alluding to being dayvig, but it seems very possible hes scum. I suppose he could be a town role he doesnt want to draw attention to but I still think wed see a little more of recent town ultis happy swag in that case.


Peace___Frog posted...
You think this is Ulti not drawing attention to himself? Nah. That's a fake as fuck comment.


To elaborate more

It feels like Wallz's justification of Ulti being scum doesn't match with Ulti's actual actions this game. He is actually doing exactly what Wallz is saying he's not doing, he is drawing attention to himself

I feel it them being paired is likely because I don't think scum Wallz says that about town Ulti. This feels like knowing the conclusion and faking the reasoning.

(I don't think town Wallz says this at all because the reasoning is fake)

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 1:47:20 PM
#364
Lopen posted...
Wallz ulti being paired I could believe citing the exhibit A "fake as fuck comment" presented by party Peaf


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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 1:45:51 PM
#359
I gave a reason to suspect Wall before Lea did!

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 1:43:36 PM
#355
And I know that?

But didn't you just say Lea was ok for training onto Wall for that reason and I am not? I thought I didn't know that!

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 1:40:50 PM
#352
Hbthebattle posted...
Lea has seen a thousand TOWN players panic under pressure of votes, because she's played games with BCT in them

Wouldn't that be one player, not a thousand?

Also I've played games with BCT in them, as have most of the players in this game

Citing this as a uniquely Lea trait is strange.

##SUSPICION: Hb

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 12:46:12 PM
#342
I am Sagat

The King of Muay Thai, not Armor, get it right.

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TopicMarvel Snap Topic 10: It's Not Attuma
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03/30/23 12:44:37 PM
#310
I kinda breezed to 75 even just using dumb decks

The 70-80 tier is where it feels like I need to use actual good decks to advance. I've been fluctuating between 70 and 78 (currently 73)

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 12:37:46 PM
#337
I am not really posting for the sake of posting

##Suspicion: Plum

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 12:07:22 PM
#318
##Unvote:
##Vote: Wall

Wall posting no walls very sus

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 12:05:33 PM
#315
Honestly I'm feeling like maybe wallz has supplanted Ben as my suspect #2 here

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 12:03:55 PM
#312
Oh also I could get behind wallz

Wallz ulti being paired I could believe citing the exhibit A "fake as fuck comment" presented by party Peaf

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 12:00:51 PM
#309
Mega town wow

What an honor

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TopicTekken Mafia Topic 1 - Choose Your Character
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03/30/23 11:59:40 AM
#308
htaeD posted...
came across as a humorous line to me

Panicked was hyperbolic meant for slight humorous effect fair

Suspicion withdrawn, for now

##Unsuspicion: Death

Also I'm caught up. Don't have a lot to share just that I'm caught up.


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