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The present suit involves challenges to three separate District firearm restrictions. The first requires a license from the District's Chief of Police in order to carry a "pistol," i.e., a handgun, anywhere in the District. See D. C. Code 22-4504(a) (2001); see also 22-4501(a), 22-4506. Because the District assures us that respondent could obtain such a license so long as he meets the statutory eligibility criteria, and because respondent concedes that those criteria are facially constitutional, I, like the majority, see no need to address the constitutionality of the licensing requirement. See ante, at 58-59.

@darkjedilink can you share your source of info for why you think this ruling did the opposite of what it did?
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3. The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District's total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of "arms" that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition--in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute--would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional. Because Heller conceded at oral argument that the D. C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. Pp. 56-64.
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though to clarify, the permit to purchase requirement and DC's licensing law are not the same thing. That isn't what I am advocating for, it is a stronger form of control, but it is also constitutional
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darkjedilink posted...

Balrog0 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

It did say you can't force renewals of that permit.

I'm really not sure what you're talking about. Please feel free to elaborate.

DC also required all firearm permits to be renewed annually, or you forfeit the firearm to law enforcement. As in, your 'license' idea.

That decision made that unconstitutional too.

ah, so you are making stuff up

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/554/570.html

Apart from his challenge to the handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement respondent asked the District Court to enjoin petitioners from enforcing the separate licensing requirement "in such a manner as to forbid the carrying of a firearm within one's home or possessed land without a license." App. 59a. The Court of Appeals did not invalidate the licensing requirement, but held only that the District "may not prevent [a handgun] from being moved throughout one's house." 478 F. 3d, at 400. It then ordered the District Court to enter summary judgment "consistent with [respondent's] prayer for relief." Id., at 401. Before this Court petitioners have stated that "if the handgun ban is struck down and respondent registers a handgun, he could obtain a license, assuming he is not otherwise disqualified," by which they apparently mean if he is not a felon and is not insane. Brief for Petitioners 58. Respondent conceded at oral argument that he does not "have a problem with ... licensing" and that the District's law is permissible so long as it is "not enforced in an arbitrary and capricious manner." Tr. of Oral Arg. 74-75. We therefore assume that petitioners' issuance of a license will satisfy respondent's prayer for relief and do not address the licensing requirement.
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darkjedilink posted...

It did say you can't force renewals of that permit.

I'm really not sure what you're talking about. Please feel free to elaborate.
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I believe the gallup daily poll uses all americans, not just registered voters, which would still be worse than likely voters

it is difficult to say the extent to which that helps or hurts Trump but that map is not very helpful with respect to electoral outcomes
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The_Weird_Gamer posted...

The first 3 or 4 years as a teacher are apparently one of the most stressful things they go through. Friends have told me that since they don't have years of lesson plans, they have to work 6am-10pm almost daily to make sure that everything is running well and then ready for the next day.

It apparently gets a little easier after the first few years, but until then I would wager it is one of the harder jobs one can have.

yeah, it is one of those things where it gets a lot easier the longer you do it -- at least from the teachers I've spoken with and worked with that is how it works. It's still a big problem, it just doesn't apply equally to all teachers
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LinksLiege posted...

Sounds like attachment issues.

it definitely is

Darkman124 posted...

so like

do you enjoy seeing her family at all?

some family is cool. my wife's best friend plays dominion online frequently with her fiance's family and they play a lot of other good board games when they see one another

id make a drive to play twilight struggle with a family member

but my mom wants to make me watch celtic woman anytime i enter her home. she wants to whine about her condo tenants and gives zero fucks about what ive been up to, and the things to do in her house are eat bad cooking, listen to her complain, and listen to music i dislike

i do not blame my wife for cutting her off at all. i would not blame you for refusing to drive multiple hours to see her family in that scenario

it isn't actively miserable, though her mom does bug me sometimes, but it also isn't fun. I mean, sometimes we play Blokus or something like that and it is alright. but I dont even want to see my friends as often as she sees her family, so...
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I try to be active at every level of government, but usually it is hard to do that since local politicians get much less coverage and use different avenues to contact and engage voters.

I know this guy personally, though. He is a current state representative and I went to school with his wife.

Anyway that is the first money I've given to a campaign in 2018. There are several state representative campaigns I intend to donate to in the near future, too, though.

How about you CE?
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Anteaterking posted...

I don't see how that is related to what I said.

The survivors stories shift the political climate such that people who wouldn't have done anything will now do something, i.e., the number of minds they are changing is not negligible, in my opinion

The issue is the route that change might take, which I doubt will be effective in curbing these incidents and might not help with gun violence at all.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I haven't read or know about DC vs Heller, but I am curious about this now.

they ruled that you can't outright ban handguns or force legally owned firearms to be disassembled with a trigger lock while in the home

it definitely didn't say you can't require a permit -- that part of the law is still part of the law
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Anteaterking posted...

The Top Crusader posted...

I mean now is a time you can probably get some support for stricter gun laws, but if you just scream how every NRA member or gun owner is a murderer you are going to turn a lot of people off quick.

I feel like this is also a bad take. The people who would use the (survivor of a mass shooting)'s opinion on guns as a reason NOT to support stricter gun laws are negligible, just like the number of people who thought guns were fine after the attack until they heard from the victims is negligible.

I don't agree with either of these takes actually

You can already see what is happening if you listen to conservative commentators. They will push for some kind of mental health test or restriction, most likely. The politics of it is going to be to satisfice whatever is making their constituents mad now in the least politically damaging way possible. The way to do that is going to be to throw people with mental illnesses under the bus.
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hint: they didn't say that
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darkjedilink posted...

It's also unconstitutional as per DC vs. Heller.

oh yeah, where did they say that?
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in fact the lack of anything happening on gun control due to the NRA and their active membership is also because of democracy!
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Teddytalks posted...

It does allow them to advocate change.

It like you guys hate democracy or something.

who suggested they shouldn't be allowed to do it? I must have missed it!

that democracy comment seems asinine considering I'm sure you don't like some of the outcomes it produces, like Trump and the GOP majority in both houses and their control of the Supreme Court...
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thelovefist posted...

This topic would be far better without the obvious photoshopped pics.

yeah but its still good
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good topic
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lmao

the perennial flip flopper flops again
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I think we should require a permit to purchase guns and expand background checks to private sales, neither of which count as strong gun control but both of which would greatly reduce gun violence in america
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Sparksfanboy posted...

He's probably a Russian trollbot, don't pay him any mind.

yeah, totally, thinking that sensationalized media coverage over a minute part of our gun problem leads to political solutions that make people feel good but don't solve gun violence is exactly what russian trollbots say

meanwhile, having well wishes towards kids is the same thing as actually doing something about gun violence

is this how people view political morality in 2018?
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Teddytalks posted...

Not complaining about kids speaking their piece you [redacted]. God I hate people like you

oh yeah obviously being sick of wall to wall coverage on CNN means... what, exactly? Have you even listened to them at all, or are you just reading about it on social media? fuck outta here with that virtue signalling shit
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Teddytalks posted...

I am amazed at only these two ITT. These [redacted] should immediately be tagged for who they are, [redacted]. Fucking terrible that immediately when the people start using their voice and flex their God given rights [redacted] of the highest order want to bitch and complain. Completely fucking selfish. You guys don't give a shit about anything but yallselves.

lmao yeah what are you doing about gun violence you paragon of selflessness?
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yeah I mean I don't see how you can say it isn't politics while praising the kids for taking a political stand against Republicans

the issue I have with it isn't so much that they are pressing for change, or even the kids themselves. it is just kind of frustrating that it is the only way to change gun laws in this country. banning AR-15s or making them harder to purchase would not really help anything, but because we are tailoring our activism to a very narrow part of our gun problem, we are getting very narrowly tailored solutions as well
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those examples of his jokes are the kind of jokes he has always told though
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I'm tired of hearing from those kids but whatever
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it is me
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Kazi1212 posted...

I have you tagged as European for some reason

that's weird

I live in arkansas
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Kazi1212 posted...

And yet theres no conversation about curtailing alcohol use, whats the deal?

there absolutely is, as has been discussed exhaustively we do plenty of things to curb drunk driving in america that we do not do for guns
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The ones I've played

most Fire Emblems
Tactics Ogre/Ogre Battle
Shining Force
Bahamut Lagoon
Dark wizard
Gemfire
Langrisser/Warsong
Super Robot Wars

any good ones I am missing?
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Darkman124 posted...

if it makes you feel better my wife and i have plenty of other topics we fight about and it's not uncommon in any relationship for it to feel like too much

it does

Drpooplol posted...

So 4-5 hours dedicated to each trip, including driving? Fuck that's a huge commitment of your limited free time for her to not be more understanding.

I mean, yeah, she has a very weird view of these things.

Like, we spend every day together,and when I've told her it'd be nice to have some alone time, she has argued with me that we aren't together all the time because we have work and sleep doesn't count, plus when you factor in the time it takes us to cook, eat, and clean, we only have a couple hours every day to hang out, that's not that much time! so you'd think she would be understanding that even a few hours of free time is really precious or whatever right?

using the same logic I've tried to explain to her that we spend 1/4 of our weekend or more at her parents but she considers that a quick trip that doesn't take much time for some reason....

Link HT posted...

That being said, since it's "visiting family" she probably won't concede that it's something only she enjoys and that she's being selfish, which makes it a pain to negotiate.

indeed
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I really dislike the advertising in anything.
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are there really modern games made in 8-bit style? I mean, even late NES games like SM3 and Kirby almost feel 16 bit, not that the distinction is useful per se but in terms of graphical style I associated the sprites of most modern games with the 16 bit era rather than the 8 bit
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IloveJesus posted...

Turbam posted...

Hell, GameCube/PS2/Xbox feels retro

now this is something that is mathematically consistent with previous generations but does not ring true to me

I think possibly because I basically stopped gaming for real around this time, so I'm not 100% sure how games have changed in the interim. I feel like with earlier retro generations, there were pretty big shifts in the styles and sorts of games that came out. Like adventure games going from text to point and click to not being a thing any more, for instance. Or the rise and fall of JRPGs. Dunno what has happened since the PS2, though.
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DevsBro posted...

Sure but the question is about how it feels and not whether it's mathematically consistent.

yeah that's true

some of the early 3D games actually feel more retro to me than late 16-bit games since I feel that later pixel based games, especially on SNES/Genesis with their ability to scale and rotate sprites easily, aged better than early polygonal ones
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definitely

I mean, think of it this way, we already thought of SNES as retro by the mid-2000s, right? And it came out in 1990. The Saturn came out in 1994.
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tag
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Twin3Turbo posted...

Literally my reaction

xd
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nice dude I am happy for ya
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new vegas was good, fallout 3 was bad, fallout 4 was ok
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hell yeah, man, I am too

edit -- in my state, the official filing period for 2018 candidates opens on the 22nd, so that is kinda like the primaries starting (although the campaigns have long been in full swing)
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

the koch brothers are the types of folks who say things like "those people should be THANKFUL they're making $2 / day because it's more than $0!"

yeah but they have been okay in the past (at least this state chapter) on some issues related to 'welfare' and onerous government regulations

they testified on behalf of letting people who have been convicted of drug crimes be allowed access to SNAP (which we previously didnt allow)

and they fought a little against the drug testing we now have on SNAP/TANF in my state

it is always nice when they are on our side is all
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I mean, I guess that is the cultural shift I am talking about that I find odd. 15 years ago you didn't used to have to be an asshole to make fun of someone for taking a fictional setting super seriously to the point where they stretch the narrative to fit some crazy idea they have about meaning they are probably imputing unjustly

granted that particular problem is less forceful here since the movie is tailored to cause the kind of reaction it is receiving but still

not that its a bad thing! maybe it is even for the best that this kind of fandom be normalized
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they can make a ton of money without having a real job by giving speeches and (ghost)writing books
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https://freedompartners.org/press/memo-work-requirements-help-lift-people-poverty-preserve-social-safety-net/

it is pretty sad, actually, the state chapter of the AFP works right above us and we have been talking to them about their position. I think the new state director doesn't like them, but clearly the national office is forcing the issue
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EnragedSlith posted...

In massively segregated communities. In a society that barely enforces hate crimes. The snarky responses are actually true

again, residential segregation is actually less bad in the south than it is in other parts of the country
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soulunison2 posted...

He doesnt hate it he just has trouble accepting black excellence

thats what it is lol
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how is this topic hating on the movie? I'm not even hating on the fans who are taking it very seriously, which would be closer to the truth, just observing that this phenomena has expanded into areas that would typically be considered weird in other circumstances
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nice, who is she TC?
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ASithLord7 posted...

TC thinks cosplay is still some super niche nerd thing?

it is pretty niche and nerdy, isn't it? I mean I do know people who do it. It isn't unheard of. They are nerds though.

if I'm wrong about that I guess I am wrong about a lot of things! I would believe it
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