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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

no, its how you feel

no it isnt

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

and it makes it "off-putting" to see a movie that isn't doing that

I was saying in white movies with white casts it is off putting when audiences react in a similar fashion. Read better, bud.

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

and somehow people being excited and cool with a movie because it's a momentous cultural occasion is "too much" for you? Even compared to Harry Potter and LOTR fandom?

The difference is we all agreed that those people took it too far, or at elast that was my understanding? Did you think it was perfectly normal for people to dress up as wizards? I always thought people thought that was odd except maybe for little kids. Maybe I'm wrong!

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

one movie was enough to be like "woah okay that's enough minority love for now"

I don't see how you can think that based on what I said either but ok
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I never said it wasn't a big deal, is something being a big deal mean that it can't be blown out of proportion or be supported in an unusual way or something?

what is your actual question? what kind of response do you want?
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

lmfaooo "black people only belong in movies that are specifically about black people"

... nope, that also isnt what I said
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soulunison2 posted...

Wut

the way credits work is that there are tiers of actors, like lead, supporting, title, etc

all of the lead actors in black panther are black except bilbo (martin freeman) I believe
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KingCrabCake posted...

@Balrog0
Respond please

about what? I already did

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

lmfaoooooooooo

you literally find it odd to see a cast that isn't majority white? and to be so casually accepted?

have you ever lived anywhere other than your birthplace lmfao

... I think you need to really be trying hard to stretch there to interpret what I said that way. There's nothing wrong with people doing any of these things, but usually it is a little off putting to when it isn't a movie about minority characters.

CyricZ posted...

I'm almost certain someone has done this.

I mean, I've looked and I've only seen parodies of this kind of thing but like I said, maybe so! and we would make fun of them right?

CyricZ posted...

The point is, if you don't want to take the time to think deep on a topic, that's fine, but you are kindly asked not to disparage people that do, because you're only doing so just so you feel better about your own inaction.

my own inaction on not caring about a super hero movie? okay...
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CableZL posted...

It isn't an all black cast

I mean I think only bilbo is white as far as people who are listed as leading roles in the film
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soulunison2 posted...

Live long on prosper
May the force be with you

I mean only nerds do that spock thing 100%

the star wars thing is a little bit of a better comparison though yeah. is it really not weird to say that to people as a casual greeting/goodbye?
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Alucard188 posted...

You speak as if someone probably hasn't already done this.

lol maybe so!
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Drpooplol posted...

What do you mean by "wakanda/black panther thing"? I get why it's been very popular. But I don't understand why people are calling it a great film. I think it's actually incredibly mediocre. Like on Rotten Tomatoes, it has a score of 97%, which I don't get at all. But then again, I think the vast majority of Marvel movies are incredibly mediocre.

I mean the stuff where people are starting to greet each other based on how they do it in the movie, trying to draw real life parables from wakandan traditions and society, things like that

I mean it isn't that these things are unheard of or even bad, but typically I see it relegated to things like yeah, shitty anime or fantasy novels and only a smaller subset of people participate in such an obvious way. the broad acceptance of it just because it is the first time we have had an all black cast is what I find odd

so tl;dr racism on my part I suppose
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emblem boy posted...

I think there's quite a bit too much news stories and think pieces for sure. But part of me also isn't sure if I'm just not remembering correctly how it was like when other big hyped movies came out. Also, it's 2018, stories I think just get spread much more

yeah I wonder how much of it is to do with the prevalence of social media now

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

i meant
you don't relate to it being a cultural moment

sure I do, it isn't the level of enthusiasm that confuses me but the ways that enthusiasm is being expressed
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Fony posted...

Wah black people like a movie i'm mad.

what about my post feels angry to you?
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

probably because you don't relate yourself?

correct, like most people I do not dress up as fictional characters

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

idk

im still waiting to be able to cosplay as something American and Asian that isn't a martial artist or high tech geek etc

yeah I think thats still gonna be a while
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Except for the millions who did it.

nah I am pretty sure there are plenty of peolpe who enjoyed those movies and now look back on them as funny for being so popular

M_Live posted...

Wtf are you talking about, like are you uncomfortable that black people like something?

what? why would you think I'm uncomfortable because I think something is weird? I think most of you all are weird and you dont make me uncomfortable
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

its not and if you think so you're just not aware enough to realize that this is, for many people in the modern era, the first movie where they can actually cosplay as the "correct" race/ethnicity

no I am aware of that, I am saying that doesn't make it less odd

maybe this isnt the right site for this but in general people who cosplay are viewed as weird in the mainstream, but this is an exception because it is a cultural touchstone moment

okay? I feel like that is taking it a bit far.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

There is a history of movies being seen multiple times dude.

Titanic and Avatar for example. And those were medicore films.

people today make fun of people who did that, though
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am I being racist for thinking that? like some people are saying that it isnt a big deal, like nerds took harry potter and lord of the rings super seriously so it isn't weird that a significant number of black people are doing it for black panther but

1) everyone agreed those nerds were weird when they did it for those other things
and
2) I don't remember seeing all these think pieces for those things, definitely not srs ones that people are taking so srs

like I really enjoyed lord of the rings but I wouldnt watch it 3 times and then write a think piece about how maybe the balrog has a point because we should actually view it as an environmental statement in that he is protecting the earth against the machinations of dwarfkind

idk man
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she looks like she has lost weight
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basically stores like walmart prioritize volume while stores like costco prioritize service, which they can afford to do because they take money upfront in order to allow people to shop their at all
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saspa posted...

Why do they make it so that you need to be a member to shop there? Isn't a business all about getting as much customers as possible?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2017/02/06/the-key-difference-between-costco-and-walmart/

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/070715/costcos-business-model-smarter-you-think.asp

Regular grocery stores will do this as their loss leader strategy: send out a weekly flyer with an amazing sale splashed across the front page something like $1 per pound of blueberries to entice shoppers to visit and, while theyre there, to buy other items with higher margins. This is why, around Thanksgiving, turkey falls to ridiculously cheap prices at every grocery store because the stores have just doubled the prices of potatoes and cranberry sauce.

Costco doesnt send out weekly flyers, however; instead, they use word of mouth advertising and keep the same loss leaders week after week. The biggest Costco loss leaders in America right now are rotisserie chicken, the hot dog & soda combo and gas. A Bloomberg article has calculated that Costco earns only $14 million in profit a year on its sale of 70 million chickens.

These chickens, placed deep into the store along with the cheap fruits and vegetables, mean that customers have to walk through lots of merchandise to pick one up and hopefully along the way theyll grab some other products to make their trip to Costco worthwhile.


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Drpooplol posted...

How often does that happen, tc?

it never really has happened before, I was pretty surprised tbh

oops

distance: it is around a 30 minute drive, give or take depending on traffic
length of visit: that also depends, but I would say we are typically there for around 3-4 hours, not including travel time and such
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

I see a lot of straws and a lot of men.

This topic, and this board, is just going crazy with the hypocrisy. It really is funny.

yeah bro it is so hypocritical to take into account how the data is collected and utilized as described by the ones who collect and report the data
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that girl with the tupac tattoo has such a nice (possibly fake) butt I dont even mind the freckles
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

There's no statistical deviation in success between white and black kids in similar familial and economic situations.

I would like to ask you a question after I am done perusing this topic but this is not true
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mew4ever posted...

I own one. I don't have this illusion that these things have a purpose other than to kill or scare someone with the threat of death.

I like shooting skeet
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lots of blackgirlmagic posts and 'black pantehr: black men, trust black women!' think pieces on social media
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I own one
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

I'm not interested in "coulds", are they or aren't they? I'm not sure by what other metric you want to use, but blue states having on average twice the amount of hate crimes per capita can't just be chalked up to "red states are all bad at reporting".

it quite literally could be

and your data doesn't allow us to make any statements other than 'could' -- this isn't a case where we have a dataset with noise we can plausibly control for, we have a dataset that is known to not give us apples to apples comparison between districts or even years
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Fony posted...

- proximity to minorities is a factor. red states tend to be heavily straight christian whites(nothing wrong inherently with them) and have very low IR dating and such and heavy segregation. Not enough "others" to victimize.

this is bullshit, though, actually southern states and cities are overall much more integrated than northern and western ones

it is a combination of stricter federal scrutiny and an overall level of poverty that pushes blacks and whites closer, relatively, than the places with higher income inequality like san jose or new york
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Can you show though that the red states are reporting less than the blue states are? Because this standard of reporting applies to all states including the blue ones.

yes, you can literally show that red states are more likely to have a smaller share of their population covered by the reporting agencies

no, this doesn't refute your overall point because what you said is still plausibly true (e.g., Texas has fewer reports than California)

but it also shows that it could be that they are reporting for fewer months out of the year, for instance

that is why it cautions not to use the data the way that you are
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Riiight, the FBI is so totally known for being biased against blue states.

lmao classic trumpster fire response from mal


Valid assessments about crime, including hate crime, are possible only with careful study and analysis of the various conditions affecting each local law enforcement jurisdiction. (See Uniform Crime Reporting Statistics: Their Proper Use.) In addition, some data in this publication may not be comparable to those in prior editions of Hate Crime Statistics because of differing levels of participation from year to year. Therefore, the reader is cautioned against making simplistic comparisons between the statistical data of this program and that of others with differing methodologies or even comparing individual reporting units solely on the basis of their agency type.

...The data used in creating this table were from all law enforcement agencies that submitted either of the following: (1) at least one Group A Incident Report, a Group B Arrest Report, or a Zero Report for at least 1 month of the calendar year via the National Incident-Based Reporting System; or (2) at least one Hate Crime Incident Report and/or a Zero Report via the Hate Crime Technical Specification or the Microsoft Excel Workbook Tool. The published data, therefore, do not necessarily represent reports from each participating agency for all 12 months (or 4 quarters) of the calendar year.

tl;dr the submission of reports is voluntary by locality, not even by state, and the data note cautions using the data for the kind of comparisons you are attempting to make itt
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

A sample size of 1 million is more than enough to gauge a statistic like this.

It isn't about the size of the sample, it is about the composition, i.e., selection biases
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Darkman124 posted...

when they started talking about 'demon power levels' i rolled my eyes super hard

three kings even felt the need to introduce scouters

I mean, they had sort of already introduced 'power levels' as early as season 1 in that tournament with Rando and Genkai, but I thought the way it was handled was just a lot more compelling (with the arcade game challenges) than later in the show, yeah
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I don't really care either way though tbh I mean I have lived in both red states and blue states and people are indeed racist every where
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I liked that show a lot more in the beginning before the incredible power creep

usually I don't mind that in shonen because it is inevitable but they did a really good job in the early arcs of making all the 'moves' feel so impactful that it was kind of a bummer when it turned more DBZ like
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He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor.

fuck, do you think avatar the last air bender counts for the purposes of this chart?
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constitutional
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I dont watch anime though
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Look at all the responses to this topic

None of the challenges are based on any empirical claims. The idea that red states are so racist that hate crimes go unreported more often in them is unsupported by any evidence posted ITT, including Cyric's.

I mean, the data does bear that out. Alabama (and Mississippi has a lot more than .5 million) has a lot more than 1 million people, but only 1 million people are covered by the participating agencies. Similar, though smaller, disparities exist in other southern states (Louisiana, Georgia, Indiana)
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haHA

I immediately wasted it on alcohol
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yeah it was good
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tag
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I seriously can't believe that people who don't even see their own parents as much as I see my gf's are trying to shit on me because I don't care about them

well I can because it is the internet but yeah

Tmk posted...

That sounds highly unusual, definitely. To an extent I'm left wondering if she truly is consciously aware of all the reasons why she has this need of you. Like, does she herself not really like visiting her parents so much, and finds it horribly draining, and basically needs you there to help her through it because she can't not go as it'd feel like some sort of betrayal or abandonment of them?

oh this is absolutely the case to some extent, it just varies how much she feels that way on any given sunday and it also varies how self aware of it she will be of it
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

boxington posted...

if you feel that someone is worth it, then sometimes you've gotta make sacrifices, and this one doesn't seem like a big one, IMO.

We've been together for almost 4 years, dude. Have you been to visit your parents more than 150 times, without exaggeration, on top of your other obligations in the last 4 years?

It depends a lot on how much you value your relationship with your parents and hers. I get along extremely well with mine and start to miss them after a few days. Visiting 150 times in four years only averages out to one visit every 10 days. That is not a lot at all, again, if you care about those people. Clearly you dont. Thats not a bad thing, just realize that this is going to continue driving a wedge between you and your girlfriend. She will resent you for it, or most likely already does.

I mean I met her 4 years ago, we haven't been dating that entire time. And is it really normal to bring your boyfriend along this often the instant you start dating? It's not like I resent her seeing them as much as she likes. Besides, 150 is the floor, not the ceiling, there are plenty of holidays and other occasions like birthdays and visits from relatives, so I'm rounding down...

You're definitely correct that it's a problem though
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Nice dude

Great topic
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She came home from seeing them just now and immediately said she wanted to lay down and went upstairs without saying anything else

Slamming!!
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He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor.

I don't want to go very much at all, though, that is true.

Part of that is that I'd like to see my parents more than we do. Its not like i fell great having not seen my mom since last year.

But I don't want to take more time out of our schedules because we are always behind on chores and other things we want to do since we are always doing family stuff the days we have time to do chores...

And she is the one that complains about stuff like that we need to do. I don't care if the house is a mess, except that it makes her unhappy. I usually clean while she's visiting them and I'm not.

I have told her that, and she just says stuff like I shouldn't change whether I want to see my parents just because we've seen hers, but isn't that incredibly unrealistic? It's not like our lives stop because we have a desire to do something. We need to find a balance. I'd not want to anything that doesn't get us anything that takes hours after doing something else that takes hours, it's nothing to do with our parents per se. You can't complain about. needing to this and that and the other and then say we don't have time to do it because family time you're obligating yourself to IMO.

I guess I honestly think it's selfish of her precisely because she is making me be 'the bad guy' in these situations. It feels very childish to me, like wanting to have your cake and eat it too

And I do like to relax sometimes on weekends instead of just doing laundry and cleaning and cooking and shopping and seeing our parents...
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Dustin1280 posted...

Okay.. seriously TC...

WHY does your girlfriend go to her family's once a week? Is it strictly a social call or is there more you are not telling us...

It is strictly social. I thought I mentioned this, but as I insisted on going less, she has been going less. There's no medical reason or anything. She just sees it as obligatory and feels like it should be obligatory for me as well, for reasons. many other people ITT have elaborated on (her family is my family is my family, her obligations are mine, etc)
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Deadpool_18 posted...

My gf and I never fight. Ever.

That seems nice, how many months have you been together?
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Balrog0 posted...

I don't understand these posts (and your next one) tbh. I don't expect that my family time is an obligation for my partner when I want to have it, and I don't begrudge her seeing her family when she wants to.

Like, what if we had the same family priorities? We would spend both of our weekend days with our parents. That is not realistic or even sustainable, frankly. I can't count the number of times I've told my parents that I don't wanna see them because I already spent half my weekend with my gfs parents as it is.

People don't have infinite free time...

For people that really value family time, that is their recreation time to a degree. That's just something that gets scheduled and done.

You aren't required to join your SO for it. But it is polite to. Their family is your family when you are together, and you can't avoid it all the time.

Nope, it's def not recreational for her. And and Why are you saying stuff like that I can't avoid it all the time, given I didn't avoid it at all for years? I just want to go less
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Sada_Pop posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

It seems like a silly reason to have to break up, but honestly it might be something you have to break up over.

It's an extremely stupid reason to break up imo. But that said, you should just do it. That way you no longer have to feel obligated to do it AND she can possibly find someone that's OK with her being close with her parents.

I'm fine with her being close to her parents. What makes you think I'm not? Because I don't want to be as close to her parents as she is? Is. that really normal? Even her sisters husband isn't like that, much less normal people in my experience.

Doctor Foxx posted...

A person's familial ties become your ties

if their family and priority for family time doesn't match with you, you do not share values, and maybe shouldn't be together

what they're asking for is excessive to me but wouldn't be to some people I've dated

I don't understand these posts (and your next one) tbh. I don't expect that my family time is an obligation for my partner when I want to have it, and I don't begrudge her seeing her family when she wants to.

Like, what if we had the same family priorities? We would spend both of our weekend days with our parents. That is not realistic or even sustainable, frankly. I can't count the number of times I've told my parents that I don't wanna see them because I already spent half my weekend with my gfs parents as it is.

People don't have infinite free time...
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