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HiddenLurker 02/19/18 10:58:22 AM #51:	Not surprised white people making a taco is considered a "hate" crime no sorry "cultural appropriation" in blue states... --- [Insert tired meme here] <cite>HiddenLurker posted [p:896367279] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote>Not surprised white people making a taco is considered a "hate" crime no sorry "cultural appropriation" in blue states...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 02/19/18 10:58:36 AM #52:	Sephiroth1288 posted... If you were actually as unbiased as you pretended to be, why are you more mad at me for showing blue states are more bigoted than red states with statistics than you are at everyone else for insisting that red states are more bigoted based on nothing? Sephiroth1288 posted... Waluigi7 posted... https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/349433/ 46% of Mississippi Republicans disapprove of interracial marriage. What does this have to do with hate crimes lol --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:896367285] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> If you were actually as unbiased as you pretended to be, why are you more mad at me for showing blue states are more bigoted than red states with statistics than you are at everyone else for insisting that red states are more bigoted based on nothing?</quote> <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Waluigi7 posted... https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/349433/ 46% of Mississippi Republicans disapprove of interracial marriage.</cite> What does this have to do with hate crimes</quote> lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SomeonesAlt 02/19/18 11:00:53 AM #53:	There goes Mal with his boulder again. Maybe this time it won't roll back down, Sisyphus --- But Whose? <cite>SomeonesAlt posted [p:896367405] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote>There goes Mal with his boulder again. Maybe this time it won't roll back down, Sisyphus</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fony 02/19/18 11:06:56 AM #54:	- proximity to minorities is a factor. red states tend to be heavily straight christian whites(nothing wrong inherently with them) and have very low IR dating and such and heavy segregation. Not enough "others" to victimize. - how crimes are categorized are a factor. many crimes are not categorized as hate crimes even if they're motivated by race. - Georgia, Wyoming, South Carolina, Indiana, and Arkansas do not have ANY hate crime law on the books and these states are notorious for racially motivated violence even today(as well as religious and sexual orientation based violence). Especially SC, Georgia and Arkansas. So you can't track what does not get caught in the tracking system's net. --- It's not the end of the world, but we can see it from here. <cite>Fony posted [p:896367683] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote>- proximity to minorities is a factor. red states tend to be heavily straight christian whites(nothing wrong inherently with them) and have very low IR dating and such and heavy segregation. Not enough "others" to victimize. - how crimes are categorized are a factor. many crimes are not categorized as hate crimes even if they're motivated by race. - Georgia, Wyoming, South Carolina, Indiana, and Arkansas do not have ANY hate crime law on the books and these states are notorious for racially motivated violence even today(as well as religious and sexual orientation based violence). Especially SC, Georgia and Arkansas. So you can't track what does not get caught in the tracking system's net.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/19/18 11:11:51 AM #55:	Antifar posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Waluigi7 posted... https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/349433/ 46% of Mississippi Republicans disapprove of interracial marriage. What does this have to do with hate crimes You had made the claim in post 40 that "blue states are more bigoted than red states," but of course hate crime reports are not the only measure of this. I would argue that actual crimes motivated by bigotry are a lot more vital than whether a person privately doesn't approve of interracial couples. Balrog0 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Riiight, the FBI is so totally known for being biased against blue states. lmao classic trumpster fire response from mal Valid assessments about crime, including hate crime, are possible only with careful study and analysis of the various conditions affecting each local law enforcement jurisdiction. (See Uniform Crime Reporting Statistics: Their Proper Use.) In addition, some data in this publication may not be comparable to those in prior editions of Hate Crime Statistics because of differing levels of participation from year to year. Therefore, the reader is cautioned against making simplistic comparisons between the statistical data of this program and that of others with differing methodologies or even comparing individual reporting units solely on the basis of their agency type. ...The data used in creating this table were from all law enforcement agencies that submitted either of the following: (1) at least one Group A Incident Report, a Group B Arrest Report, or a Zero Report for at least 1 month of the calendar year via the National Incident-Based Reporting System; or (2) at least one Hate Crime Incident Report and/or a Zero Report via the Hate Crime Technical Specification or the Microsoft Excel Workbook Tool. The published data, therefore, do not necessarily represent reports from each participating agency for all 12 months (or 4 quarters) of the calendar year. tl;dr the submission of reports is voluntary by locality, not even by state, and the data note cautions using the data for the kind of comparisons you are attempting to make itt Can you show though that the red states are reporting less than the blue states are? Because this standard of reporting applies to all states including the blue ones. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896367935] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Waluigi7 posted... https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/349433/ 46% of Mississippi Republicans disapprove of interracial marriage. What does this have to do with hate crimes</quote> You had made the claim in post 40 that "blue states are more bigoted than red states," but of course hate crime reports are not the only measure of this.</quote> I would argue that actual crimes motivated by bigotry are a lot more vital than whether a person privately doesn't approve of interracial couples. <cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Riiight, the FBI is so totally known for being biased against blue states.</quote> lmao classic trumpster fire response from mal Valid assessments about crime, including hate crime, are possible only with careful study and analysis of the various conditions affecting each local law enforcement jurisdiction. (See Uniform Crime Reporting Statistics: Their Proper Use.) In addition, some data in this publication may not be comparable to those in prior editions of Hate Crime Statistics because of differing levels of participation from year to year. Therefore, the reader is cautioned against making simplistic comparisons between the statistical data of this program and that of others with differing methodologies or even comparing individual reporting units solely on the basis of their agency type. ...The data used in creating this table were from all law enforcement agencies that submitted either of the following: (1) at least one Group A Incident Report, a Group B Arrest Report, or a Zero Report for at least 1 month of the calendar year via the National Incident-Based Reporting System; or (2) at least one Hate Crime Incident Report and/or a Zero Report via the Hate Crime Technical Specification or the Microsoft Excel Workbook Tool. The published data, therefore, do not necessarily represent reports from each participating agency for all 12 months (or 4 quarters) of the calendar year. tl;dr the submission of reports is voluntary by locality, not even by state, and the data note cautions using the data for the kind of comparisons you are attempting to make itt</quote> Can you show though that the red states are reporting less than the blue states are? Because this standard of reporting applies to all states including the blue ones.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/19/18 11:14:02 AM #57:	Fony posted... - Georgia, Wyoming, South Carolina, Indiana, and Arkansas do not have ANY hate crime law on the books and these states are notorious for racially motivated violence even today(as well as religious and sexual orientation based violence). Especially SC, Georgia and Arkansas. So you can't track what does not get caught in the tracking system's net. /endtopic --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:896368078] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fony posted...</cite> <quote>- Georgia, Wyoming, South Carolina, Indiana, and Arkansas do not have ANY hate crime law on the books and these states are notorious for racially motivated violence even today(as well as religious and sexual orientation based violence). Especially SC, Georgia and Arkansas. So you can't track what does not get caught in the tracking system's net. </quote> /endtopic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 02/19/18 11:14:05 AM #58:	Lol, Mal is actually delusional enough to think this data supports his arguments. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:896368079] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote>Lol, Mal is actually delusional enough to think this data supports his arguments.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/19/18 11:16:05 AM #59:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Fony posted... - Georgia, Wyoming, South Carolina, Indiana, and Arkansas do not have ANY hate crime law on the books and these states are notorious for racially motivated violence even today(as well as religious and sexual orientation based violence). Especially SC, Georgia and Arkansas. So you can't track what does not get caught in the tracking system's net. /endtopic That's interesting, because according to the FBI all those states have been reporting hate crimes. So who's lying, Fony or the FBI? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896368177] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fony posted...</cite> <quote>- Georgia, Wyoming, South Carolina, Indiana, and Arkansas do not have ANY hate crime law on the books and these states are notorious for racially motivated violence even today(as well as religious and sexual orientation based violence). Especially SC, Georgia and Arkansas. So you can't track what does not get caught in the tracking system's net. </quote> /endtopic</quote> That's interesting, because according to the FBI all those states have been reporting hate crimes. So who's lying, Fony or the FBI?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManBeast462 02/19/18 11:16:57 AM #60:	Blue states tend to be shit holes. --- http://m.imgur.com/EKKJrY6 <cite>ManBeast462 posted [p:896368225] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote>Blue states tend to be shit holes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Im_JustMe0129 02/19/18 11:17:05 AM #61:	Sephiroth1288 posted... https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016/tables/table-12 9 of the 10 states with the least hate crimes per capita voted for Trump 6 of the 10 states with the most hate crimes per capita voted for Hillary the overall red state hate crime rate per 100k is 1.68 the overall blue state hate crime rate per 100k is 3.37 These are the facts and reality that make liberals lose their shit. gets popcorn ready This should be good <cite>Im_JustMe0129 posted [p:896368233] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016/tables/table-12 9 of the 10 states with the least hate crimes per capita voted for Trump 6 of the 10 states with the most hate crimes per capita voted for Hillary the overall red state hate crime rate per 100k is 1.68 the overall blue state hate crime rate per 100k is 3.37 </quote> These are the facts and reality that make liberals lose their shit. gets popcorn ready This should be good</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/19/18 11:18:39 AM #62:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Can you show though that the red states are reporting less than the blue states are? Because this standard of reporting applies to all states including the blue ones. yes, you can literally show that red states are more likely to have a smaller share of their population covered by the reporting agencies no, this doesn't refute your overall point because what you said is still plausibly true (e.g., Texas has fewer reports than California) but it also shows that it could be that they are reporting for fewer months out of the year, for instance that is why it cautions not to use the data the way that you are --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896368315] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Can you show though that the red states are reporting less than the blue states are? Because this standard of reporting applies to all states including the blue ones.</quote> yes, you can literally show that red states are more likely to have a smaller share of their population covered by the reporting agencies no, this doesn't refute your overall point because what you said is still plausibly true (e.g., Texas has fewer reports than California) but it also shows that it could be that they are reporting for fewer months out of the year, for instance that is why it cautions not to use the data the way that you are</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/19/18 11:20:28 AM #63:	Fony posted... - proximity to minorities is a factor. red states tend to be heavily straight christian whites(nothing wrong inherently with them) and have very low IR dating and such and heavy segregation. Not enough "others" to victimize. this is bullshit, though, actually southern states and cities are overall much more integrated than northern and western ones it is a combination of stricter federal scrutiny and an overall level of poverty that pushes blacks and whites closer, relatively, than the places with higher income inequality like san jose or new york --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896368427] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fony posted...</cite> <quote>- proximity to minorities is a factor. red states tend to be heavily straight christian whites(nothing wrong inherently with them) and have very low IR dating and such and heavy segregation. Not enough "others" to victimize. </quote> this is bullshit, though, actually southern states and cities are overall much more integrated than northern and western ones it is a combination of stricter federal scrutiny and an overall level of poverty that pushes blacks and whites closer, relatively, than the places with higher income inequality like san jose or new york</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/19/18 11:21:04 AM #64:	Balrog0 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Can you show though that the red states are reporting less than the blue states are? Because this standard of reporting applies to all states including the blue ones. yes, you can literally show that red states are more likely to have a smaller share of their population covered by the reporting agencies no, this doesn't refute your overall point because what you said is still plausibly true (e.g., Texas has fewer reports than California) but it also shows that it could be that they are reporting for fewer months out of the year, for instance that is why it cautions not to use the data the way that you are I'm not interested in "coulds", are they or aren't they? I'm not sure by what other metric you want to use, but blue states having on average twice the amount of hate crimes per capita can't just be chalked up to a guess that red states are all bad at reporting. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896368461] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Can you show though that the red states are reporting less than the blue states are? Because this standard of reporting applies to all states including the blue ones.</quote> yes, you can literally show that red states are more likely to have a smaller share of their population covered by the reporting agencies no, this doesn't refute your overall point because what you said is still plausibly true (e.g., Texas has fewer reports than California) but it also shows that it could be that they are reporting for fewer months out of the year, for instance that is why it cautions not to use the data the way that you are</quote> I'm not interested in "coulds", are they or aren't they? I'm not sure by what other metric you want to use, but blue states having on average twice the amount of hate crimes per capita can't just be chalked up to a guess that red states are all bad at reporting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/19/18 11:22:31 AM #65:	Sephiroth1288 posted... I'm not interested in "coulds", are they or aren't they? I'm not sure by what other metric you want to use, but blue states having on average twice the amount of hate crimes per capita can't just be chalked up to "red states are all bad at reporting". it quite literally could be and your data doesn't allow us to make any statements other than 'could' -- this isn't a case where we have a dataset with noise we can plausibly control for, we have a dataset that is known to not give us apples to apples comparison between districts or even years --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896368532] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not interested in "coulds", are they or aren't they? I'm not sure by what other metric you want to use, but blue states having on average twice the amount of hate crimes per capita can't just be chalked up to "red states are all bad at reporting".</quote> it quite literally could be and your data doesn't allow us to make any statements other than 'could' -- this isn't a case where we have a dataset with noise we can plausibly control for, we have a dataset that is known to not give us apples to apples comparison between districts or even years</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Newhopes 02/19/18 11:28:04 AM #66:	Democrats are race baiters and bigots so this isn't any surprise. <cite>Newhopes posted [p:896368844] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote>Democrats are race baiters and bigots so this isn't any surprise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/19/18 11:29:21 AM #67:	Sephiroth1288 posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Fony posted... - Georgia, Wyoming, South Carolina, Indiana, and Arkansas do not have ANY hate crime law on the books and these states are notorious for racially motivated violence even today(as well as religious and sexual orientation based violence). Especially SC, Georgia and Arkansas. So you can't track what does not get caught in the tracking system's net. /endtopic That's interesting, because according to the FBI all those states have been reporting hate crimes. So who's lying, Fony or the FBI? You. You're lying by misrepresenting the facts. Especially considering the FBI themselves says not to use the UCR to make any claims as it does not paint a complete picture nor does it provide the proper insight. https://ucr.fbi.gov/ucr-statistics-their-proper-use UCR data are sometimes used to compile rankings of individual jurisdictions and institutions of higher learning. These incomplete analyses have often created misleading perceptions which adversely affect geographic entities and their residents. For this reason, the FBI has a longstanding policy against ranking participating law enforcement agencies on the basis of crime data alone. Despite repeated warnings against these practices, some data users continue to challenge and misunderstand this position. Data users should not rank locales because there are many factors that cause the nature and type of crime to vary from place to place. UCR statistics include only jurisdictional population figures along with reported crime, clearance, or arrest data. Rankings ignore the uniqueness of each locale. Some factors that are known to affect the volume and type of crime occurring from place to place are: Population density and degree of urbanization. Variations in composition of the population, particularly youth concentration. Stability of the population with respect to residents; mobility, commuting patterns, and transient factors. Economic conditions, including median income, poverty level, and job availability. Modes of transportation and highway systems. Cultural factors and educational, recreational, and religious characteristics. Family conditions with respect to divorce and family cohesiveness. Climate. Effective strength of law enforcement agencies. Administrative and investigative emphases on law enforcement. Policies of other components of the criminal justice system (i.e., prosecutorial, judicial, correctional, and probational). Citizens attitudes toward crime. Crime reporting practices of the citizenry --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:896368903] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fony posted...</cite> <quote>- Georgia, Wyoming, South Carolina, Indiana, and Arkansas do not have ANY hate crime law on the books and these states are notorious for racially motivated violence even today(as well as religious and sexual orientation based violence). Especially SC, Georgia and Arkansas. So you can't track what does not get caught in the tracking system's net. </quote> /endtopic</quote> That's interesting, because according to the FBI all those states have been reporting hate crimes. So who's lying, Fony or the FBI?</quote> You. You're lying by misrepresenting the facts. Especially considering the FBI themselves says not to use the UCR to make any claims as it does not paint a complete picture nor does it provide the proper insight. https://ucr.fbi.gov/ucr-statistics-their-proper-use <quote>UCR data are sometimes used to compile rankings of individual jurisdictions and institutions of higher learning. These incomplete analyses have often created misleading perceptions which adversely affect geographic entities and their residents. For this reason, the FBI has a longstanding policy against ranking participating law enforcement agencies on the basis of crime data alone. Despite repeated warnings against these practices, some data users continue to challenge and misunderstand this position. Data users should not rank locales because there are many factors that cause the nature and type of crime to vary from place to place. UCR statistics include only jurisdictional population figures along with reported crime, clearance, or arrest data. Rankings ignore the uniqueness of each locale. Some factors that are known to affect the volume and type of crime occurring from place to place are: Population density and degree of urbanization. Variations in composition of the population, particularly youth concentration. Stability of the population with respect to residents; mobility, commuting patterns, and transient factors. Economic conditions, including median income, poverty level, and job availability. Modes of transportation and highway systems. Cultural factors and educational, recreational, and religious characteristics. Family conditions with respect to divorce and family cohesiveness. Climate. Effective strength of law enforcement agencies. Administrative and investigative emphases on law enforcement. Policies of other components of the criminal justice system (i.e., prosecutorial, judicial, correctional, and probational). Citizens attitudes toward crime. Crime reporting practices of the citizenry</quote></quote> ... 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Im_JustMe0129 02/19/18 11:35:25 AM #68:	Newhopes posted... Democrats are race baiters and bigots so this isn't any surprise. Pretty much. <cite>Im_JustMe0129 posted [p:896369223] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Newhopes posted...</cite> <quote>Democrats are race baiters and bigots so this isn't any surprise.</quote> Pretty much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 02/19/18 11:39:06 AM #69:	Newhopes posted... Democrats are race baiters and bigots so this isn't any surprise. Pot meet kettle. --- "If you want to move fast, practice slowly...if you want to move like lightning, practice in stillness." <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:896369442] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Newhopes posted...</cite> <quote>Democrats are race baiters and bigots so this isn't any surprise.</quote> Pot meet kettle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YOUHAVENOHOPE 02/19/18 11:40:04 AM #70:	Sephiroth1288 posted... None of the challenges are based on any empirical claims the only thing empirical about this whole thing is the statistics your interpretation thereof is incomplete and flawed and only serves to try and rile people up it's very obvious --- http://i.imgur.com/kpXTakw.gif http://i.imgur.com/Pto3yPa.jpg http://media.giphy.com/media/NBVBnHv8bV13q/giphy.gif <cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted [p:896369498] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>None of the challenges are based on any empirical claims</quote> the only thing empirical about this whole thing is the statistics your interpretation thereof is incomplete and flawed and only serves to try and rile people up it's very obvious</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 02/19/18 11:47:48 AM #71:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Especially considering the FBI themselves says not to use the UCR to make any claims as it does not paint a complete picture nor does it provide the proper insight. Lol nice I missed this. But to Mal's credit, it doesn't specifically call him out by name to not misuse the data. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:896369924] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>Especially considering the FBI themselves says not to use the UCR to make any claims as it does not paint a complete picture nor does it provide the proper insight.</quote> Lol nice I missed this. But to Mal's credit, it doesn't specifically call him out by name to not misuse the data.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/19/18 11:51:10 AM #72:	CyricZ posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Especially considering the FBI themselves says not to use the UCR to make any claims as it does not paint a complete picture nor does it provide the proper insight. Lol nice I missed this. But to Mal's credit, it doesn't specifically call him out by name to not misuse the data. I was having a bit of deja vu when I first started the topic and couldn't remember until I did a UCR search and South Carolina hate laws and started seeing all the articles from 2015 about the Charleston church shooting, as it was a big point of argument then and used by people on the right to show that blue states were more racist. It was bullshit to use then and it's bullshit now, and the FBI themselves recognize it as such. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:896370155] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>Especially considering the FBI themselves says not to use the UCR to make any claims as it does not paint a complete picture nor does it provide the proper insight.</quote> Lol nice I missed this. But to Mal's credit, it doesn't specifically call him out by name to not misuse the data.</quote> I was having a bit of deja vu when I first started the topic and couldn't remember until I did a UCR search and South Carolina hate laws and started seeing all the articles from 2015 about the Charleston church shooting, as it was a big point of argument then and used by people on the right to show that blue states were more racist. It was bullshit to use then and it's bullshit now, and the FBI themselves recognize it as such.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 02/19/18 11:54:22 AM #73:	Lol, so red states dont report them is the acceptable answer? Lol. Really, lol. --- http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:896370348] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote>Lol, so red states dont report them is the acceptable answer? Lol. Really, lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YOUHAVENOHOPE 02/19/18 11:56:17 AM #74:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... Lol, so red states dont report them is the acceptable answer? Lol. Really, lol. not sure if you're just choosing to be obtuse about this or if you genuinely don't understand the answer is more complicated than that but that's a part of it sure --- http://i.imgur.com/kpXTakw.gif http://i.imgur.com/Pto3yPa.jpg http://media.giphy.com/media/NBVBnHv8bV13q/giphy.gif <cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted [p:896370456] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>Lol, so red states dont report them is the acceptable answer? Lol. Really, lol.</quote> not sure if you're just choosing to be obtuse about this or if you genuinely don't understand the answer is more complicated than that but that's a part of it sure</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/19/18 11:56:48 AM #75:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... Lol, so red states dont report them is the acceptable answer? Lol. Really, lol. That's one of the reasons the FBI listed why you shouldn't use this data by locale, yes --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:896370496] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>Lol, so red states dont report them is the acceptable answer? Lol. Really, lol.</quote> That's one of the reasons the FBI listed why you shouldn't use this data by locale, yes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 02/19/18 12:01:43 PM #76:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... Lol, so red states dont report them is the acceptable answer? Lol. Really, lol. It may not be the only answer, but it's worth taking into account. Underreporting is a huge issue across the board. Crimes in general. Hate crimes. Sexual assault. As someone who works in safety, I know it's a huge problem with safety incidents. Nobody wants to be the one to admit that "there's a problem", so they just don't report when they happen. If anything, this data could be used in reverse to underline that blue states are the ones willing to call out hate crimes when they happen instead of trying to sweep them under the rug. I won't do that, because that'd be doing the same thing Mal is in reverse, but it goes to show that even if you have data, if you interpret it poorly, you come out looking like an ass. Like I was saying earlier, this doesn't mean that these crimes aren't being reported at all, but that someone filing the report doesn't check the "hate crime" box for one reason or another. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:896370812] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>Lol, so red states dont report them is the acceptable answer? Lol. Really, lol.</quote> It may not be the only answer, but it's worth taking into account. Underreporting is a huge issue across the board. Crimes in general. Hate crimes. Sexual assault. As someone who works in safety, I know it's a huge problem with safety incidents. Nobody wants to be the one to admit that "there's a problem", so they just don't report when they happen. If anything, this data could be used in reverse to underline that blue states are the ones willing to call out hate crimes when they happen instead of trying to sweep them under the rug. I won't do that, because that'd be doing the same thing Mal is in reverse, but it goes to show that even if you have data, if you interpret it poorly, you come out looking like an ass. Like I was saying earlier, this doesn't mean that these crimes aren't being reported at all, but that someone filing the report doesn't check the "hate crime" box for one reason or another.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 02/19/18 12:03:40 PM #77:	I see a lot of straws and a lot of men. This topic, and this board, is just going crazy with the hypocrisy. It really is funny. --- http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:896370932] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote>I see a lot of straws and a lot of men. This topic, and this board, is just going crazy with the hypocrisy. It really is funny.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/19/18 12:04:32 PM #78:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... I see a lot of straws and a lot of men. This topic, and this board, is just going crazy with the hypocrisy. It really is funny. yeah bro it is so hypocritical to take into account how the data is collected and utilized as described by the ones who collect and report the data --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896370985] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>I see a lot of straws and a lot of men. This topic, and this board, is just going crazy with the hypocrisy. It really is funny.</quote> yeah bro it is so hypocritical to take into account how the data is collected and utilized as described by the ones who collect and report the data</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YOUHAVENOHOPE 02/19/18 12:04:54 PM #79:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... I see a lot of straws and a lot of men. you don't know what a strawman is hint: it's not as related to "grasping at straws" as you might think --- http://i.imgur.com/kpXTakw.gif http://i.imgur.com/Pto3yPa.jpg http://media.giphy.com/media/NBVBnHv8bV13q/giphy.gif <cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted [p:896371009] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>I see a lot of straws and a lot of men. </quote> you don't know what a strawman is hint: it's not as related to "grasping at straws" as you might think</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/19/18 12:17:48 PM #80:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... I see a lot of straws and a lot of men. This topic, and this board, is just going crazy with the hypocrisy. It really is funny. This post is saying absolutely nothing but throwing ad homs. Try again --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:896371782] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>I see a lot of straws and a lot of men. This topic, and this board, is just going crazy with the hypocrisy. It really is funny.</quote> This post is saying absolutely nothing but throwing ad homs. Try again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Deadpool_18 02/19/18 12:19:44 PM #81:	And the deflections by Republicans just keep on coming. Jesus Fuck. When will you people realize that the rest of the first world has handled this already and that WE are the ones playing catch-up? --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. <cite>Deadpool_18 posted [p:896371908] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote>And the deflections by Republicans just keep on coming. Jesus Fuck. When will you people realize that the rest of the first world has handled this already and that WE are the ones playing catch-up?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 02/19/18 12:21:26 PM #82:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... a lot of men Why thank you. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:896372005] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>a lot of men</quote> Why thank you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/19/18 1:31:50 PM #83:	EnragedSlith posted... In massively segregated communities. In a society that barely enforces hate crimes. The snarky responses are actually true again, residential segregation is actually less bad in the south than it is in other parts of the country --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896375859] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>EnragedSlith posted...</cite> <quote>In massively segregated communities. In a society that barely enforces hate crimes. The snarky responses are actually true </quote> again, residential segregation is actually less bad in the south than it is in other parts of the country</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 02/19/18 1:34:24 PM #84:	Another Mal "I want attention so I'll just post some bullshit" topic. Nothing to see here. --- I don't have to insult you. I have proven that you are a hypocrite and a fool. That's not insulting you, that's exposing you. PSN-Bishop9800 <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:896375995] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote>Another Mal "I want attention so I'll just post some bullshit" topic. Nothing to see here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 02/19/18 2:15:40 PM #85:	Kineth posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Kineth posted... You can paint any narrative you want with statistics, but I'd wager that hate crime legislation is more regularly enforced in blue states than red states. Got any source to back that up or are you just deflecting What's the point of this topic. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:896378390] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>You can paint any narrative you want with statistics, but I'd wager that hate crime legislation is more regularly enforced in blue states than red states.</quote> Got any source to back that up or are you just deflecting</quote> What's the point of this topic.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/19/18 3:22:06 PM #86:	Bishop9800 posted... Another Mal "I want attention so I'll just post some bullshit" topic. Nothing to see here. And runs away when his own source is revealed to say not to do the exact thing he did with the data... --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:896382086] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bishop9800 posted...</cite> <quote>Another Mal "I want attention so I'll just post some bullshit" topic. Nothing to see here.</quote> And runs away when his own source is revealed to say not to do the exact thing he did with the data...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 02/19/18 3:29:23 PM #87:	Bishop9800 posted... Another Mal "I want attention so I'll just post some bullshit" topic. Nothing to see here. It works every time, so there's really no reason in his mind for him to stop. People just can't keep themselves from biting. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:896382445] in Blue state... [t:76330044]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bishop9800 posted...</cite> <quote> Another Mal "I want attention so I'll just post some bullshit" topic. Nothing to see here.</quote> It works every time, so there's really no reason in his mind for him to stop. People just can't keep themselves from biting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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