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| Topic | CE Discussion Topic: Gerrymandering |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 9:12:01 PM #2 | |
| Topic | My fav. thing: serious academics who have dubious Einstein quotes in email sig. |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 9:11:44 PM #13 | LordRazziel posted... Maybe cause they like the quote? It's not the same as music by any means. Pop music might be vapid, but it's designed in a way to appeal to as many people as it can. On the other hand, half the "value" of a quote is who said it. Using TC's example: "If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" If you didn't attribute this to Einstein, it would be a pretty forgettable quote (and it's sort of stupid regardless). So the only "merit" of this quote is that it's "from Einstein". But if you are an academic, there are more relevant people for you to name-drop quote. --- |
| Topic | I love how teachers try to spin their jobs as 'the hardest profession' |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 6:14:55 PM #58 | r4X0r posted... Must be nice to get a full time salary for a part time job and then have two and a half months in the summer to do side work. What makes you think they are getting a full time salary? --- |
| Topic | Just got back from my doctor. I have lymphoma. |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 4:33:16 PM #5 | Did you suspect something or did this come out of a regular physical? Tough news, man =( --- |
| Topic | My fav. thing: serious academics who have dubious Einstein quotes in email sig. |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 4:30:04 PM #3 | Even if the quotes were real, I don't know why as an academic you'd farm your inspirational quotes from the most well known smart person for dumb people. --- |
| Topic | why do nerds hate watching sports so much |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 4:23:23 PM #4 | Reactionary response to people who like sports bashing their hobbies. --- |
| Topic | Man Rams stolen bakery truck into Planned Parenthood injures 3 including |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 4:19:22 PM #51 | r4X0r posted... The irony is that if he went into a Planned Parenthood with a stolen GUN and injured three people this thread would be full of people demanding we ban guns, yet ironically nobody yet has advocated banning trucks. People see vehicles as being more necessary than guns. --- |
| Topic | CE Discussion Topic: Gerrymandering |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 4:16:37 PM #1 | With all the recent court cases and hullabaloo around gerrymandering, I thought it might be interesting to have a topic about it, especially for people who want to know more about the math and laws behind it. I've also recently taught about it in a math class and have been to a few talks that I can try to break down into digestible language for non-mathematicians. If you're interested in a more political side to things, I would point to: http://fivethirtyeight.com/tag/the-gerrymandering-project/ I haven't listened to the whole series, but I feel like the first episode has a good overview of some of the laws behind gerrymandering. The first thing I want to talk about is the topic of "How do we measure how gerrymandered something is?". I'll introduce the Efficiency Gap, which attempts to measure partisan gerrymandering. This measure was proposed for the Wisconsin gerrymandering case that went to the Supreme Court, which Justice Roberts called "statistical gobbledygook", despite being very simple. EFFICIENCY GAP For simplicity sake, let's assume that we have three districts with 100 voters each. The basis of the efficiency gap is a measure of how many votes each party wastes. This is based around the notion that if you win a district, each vote over 50% + 1 that you get you didn't need; it would be better if those people lived in a different district. On the other hand, if you lose a district, every vote of yours there is wasted. Say we have these results for our three districts: District 1: 90 Democrats, 10 Republicans District 2: 40 Democrats, 60 Republicans District 3: 40 Democrats, 60 Republicans. Here, Republicans won 66% of the districts with 43% off the vote. Let's count their wasted votes: District 1: 39 wasted D, 10 wasted R District 2: 40 wasted D, 9 wasted R District 3: 40 wasted D, 9 wasted R The net wasted votes are 91 for Democrats. Dividing that by the total number of votes gives us the efficiency gap: 30.3%. The higher the efficiency gap, the more likely the map is gerrymandered in a partisan way. Now there are flaws to this. Mathematically, an efficiency gap of 0% is achieved by having 75/25 in each district for one party or the other, which is uncommon. In addition, if you have fairly homogeneous populations, you'll have lots of wasted votes (imagine if you had a candidate who perfectly split men and women for example). This is why efficiency gap should not be used as a sole measure of gerrymandering. But it can be helpful when looking at a map that already looks sketchy. Posts I'll likely do soon: "Why are geometric standards like convexity/compactness bad?" and "How do we fairly generate maps to use?" --- |
| Topic | Man Rams stolen bakery truck into Planned Parenthood injures 3 including |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 3:26:14 PM #36 | A_Good_Boy posted... Nationalism and white supremacy When I use "nationalist" in the context of America, I sort of mean the second thing. --- |
| Topic | I love how teachers try to spin their jobs as 'the hardest profession' |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 3:24:11 PM #44 | Prestoff posted... Its easy to be a bad teacher, but hard to be a good and effective one. This is actually very true. It's fairly easy to "min-max" the amount of work you put in to teaching while still maintaining your job. To actually be decent or effective you have to put in more work. I teach at the university level, which has way, way fewer interpersonal obligations between students and professors and a shift in a lot of responsibilities, so my job isn't really that hard. Some people might say "You're teaching kids harder stuff", but anything I teach is trivial to me (by design; I wouldn't be asked to teach a class where the math was non-trivial for me), so it really does come down to the non-content responsibilities. --- |
| Topic | I love how teachers try to spin their jobs as 'the hardest profession' |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 1:46:05 PM #27 | Teachers "only work 9 months a year", but in many areas they get paid like they work 9 months a year as well. Just because people get choose to get paid over 12 months doesn't mean that they get three "paid months off". --- |
| Topic | Those school shooting victims are going in on Republicans |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 12:35:45 PM #57 | Balrog0 posted... The survivors stories shift the political climate such that people who wouldn't have done anything will now do something, i.e., the number of minds they are changing is not negligible, in my opinion I think we are just quibbling on where we think the change is coming from. I just think that the shooting, texts from during it, etc. themselves are the major motivators compared to the survivors' calls to action. --- |
| Topic | Those school shooting victims are going in on Republicans |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 12:31:20 PM #54 | Balrog0 posted... Anteaterking posted...The Top Crusader posted...I mean now is a time you can probably get some support for stricter gun laws, but if you just scream how every NRA member or gun owner is a murderer you are going to turn a lot of people off quick. I don't see how that is related to what I said. --- |
| Topic | Why do SJWs/Feminists never forgive? |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 12:29:34 PM #4 | When has Chris Brown ever made any indication that he has changed? --- |
| Topic | Any ideology that uses a crap ton of propaganda is gonna be bad... |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 12:27:13 PM #18 | I don't really understand how the topic title and the post relate. --- |
| Topic | Those school shooting victims are going in on Republicans |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 12:24:56 PM #52 | The Top Crusader posted... I mean now is a time you can probably get some support for stricter gun laws, but if you just scream how every NRA member or gun owner is a murderer you are going to turn a lot of people off quick. I feel like this is also a bad take. The people who would use the (survivor of a mass shooting)'s opinion on guns as a reason NOT to support stricter gun laws are negligible, just like the number of people who thought guns were fine after the attack until they heard from the victims is negligible. --- |
| Topic | "Male privilege is a myth, change my mind." Steven Crowder |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 12:07:10 PM #2 | Man, have you seen the people they find on Jaywalking. America sure is dumb. --- |
| Topic | Man Rams stolen bakery truck into Planned Parenthood injures 3 including |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 12:04:39 PM #31 | NINExATExSEVEN posted... I guarantee you that it will be found out that this is a religious motivated attack not some alt right attack. Some people just can't control their political confirmation bias. I don't understand what sort of evidence you think would come out that would determine this one way or the other. --- |
| Topic | Those school shooting victims are going in on Republicans |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 12:02:37 PM #41 | I think the victims are doing a good job of not letting other people speak for them like you see in some tragedies. That being said, I don't think their political opinions are particularly relevant or insightful. They have fairly standard political beliefs for young adults. --- |
| Topic | Man Rams stolen bakery truck into Planned Parenthood injures 3 including |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 11:47:27 AM #28 | DuranOfForcena posted... who do you think makes up the alt-right besides radical Christians? The origin of the term alt-right was for conservatives who are motivated by nationalism RATHER than religion. --- |
| Topic | Why are Republicans against stricter background checks to buy guns? |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 11:42:54 AM #108 | An issue with the "mentally ill" categorization of people who do these shootings is that you can't just point to the shooting as evidence they are mentally ill. And once you take that away, very few people are going to be okay with a watchlist that includes "Has OCD" (Dylann Roof), "Has PTSD" (Fort Lauderdale Airport shooter), "Has Asperberger's and is a foreveralone" (Elliot Rodgers), etc. --- |
| Topic | Listen, you liberal soyboy cucks. Guns are a basic right in the CONSTITUTION |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 11:19:01 AM #21 | The current interpretation of the 2nd amendment to mean completely unfettered access to guns is from the 1960s. --- |
| Topic | I'm surprised it took so many years for Billy Mitchell to get caught cheating. |
| Anteaterking 02/20/18 11:15:38 AM #12 | gafemaqs posted... I thought he was just caught playing on MAME. MAME has a different leaderboard for one. Also, the fact that he is vehemently denying that he used MAME as well as the sketchy video where he pretends to replace an arcade board makes it seem like something sketchy is going on, meaning he likely cheated (which emulators allow you to do). --- |
| Topic | I'm surprised it took so many years for Billy Mitchell to get caught cheating. |
| Anteaterking 02/19/18 8:32:05 PM #3 | Muffinz0rz posted... who? Tall Tyrion Lannister. --- |
| Topic | So I've been watching Yu Yu Hakusho (spoilers) |
| Anteaterking 02/19/18 8:30:19 PM #88 | The final arc was just sort of boring. Chapter Black was still good though. --- |
| Topic | Iron Man used an emotional argument in Civil War *spoilers* |
| Anteaterking 02/19/18 4:21:42 PM #11 | ThePrinceFish posted... everyone is aware that ultra Nazis had infiltrated and taken control of one of the world's premier intelligence services I didn't get the impression that average people on the street understood this, but it's been a while since I've seen the movies. --- |
| Topic | Iron Man used an emotional argument in Civil War *spoilers* |
| Anteaterking 02/19/18 4:14:24 PM #6 | I feel when people get political with CA:CW, they ignore that people can have a different opinion as an observer than they would as an in-universe person. --- |
| Topic | Voter IDs required vs Tougher gun laws |
| Anteaterking 02/19/18 12:17:23 PM #56 | Typhon posted... How did they get a job without an ID? How do they cash a paycheck without ID? How did they rent a home with no ID? Are you suggesting this doesn't happen? Usually in poorer neighborhoods there are people willing to provide those services without ID. --- |
| Topic | Voter IDs required vs Tougher gun laws |
| Anteaterking 02/19/18 12:11:55 PM #49 | CableZL posted... WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted......What were they trying to implement? But but they were doing it because they were democrats not because they were black!!! --- |
| Topic | If Democrats don't retake the house this year I'll close my account. |
| Anteaterking 02/19/18 1:02:18 AM #96 | Tyranthraxus posted... They need to keep all the seats they already have and take 24 more. There are only 8 Republican seats up and 24 Democrat seats up in 2018 and some of the Dems in those seats barely made it in on the coattails of Obama. It's a lot "easier" to take the House. --- |
| Topic | Paul Denino is on stream right now in a diaper, covered in dirt and food |
| Anteaterking 02/18/18 10:07:10 PM #19 | I've never heard of this person but now I'm not sure I want to. --- |
| Topic | "Parents should never spank their kids." |
| Anteaterking 02/18/18 9:51:37 PM #111 | Why is it all the ****ty posters on CE who say "I was spanked and turned out fine". We've seen you. You didn't turn out fine. --- |
| Topic | Is it a meme to pretend Kendrick Lamar is lyrically clever? |
| Anteaterking 02/18/18 3:02:12 PM #6 | Basically any time I see someone try to prove to a rap hater that rap lyrics can be good, they post just the most inane terrible bars. --- |
| Topic | CNN's takeaway from Black Panther is ''I hope they make Muslim Man next!'' |
| Anteaterking 02/18/18 2:00:03 PM #3 | A powerful internal compass which always directs towards Mecca. --- |
| Topic | Watching Fox News is an exercise in censorship |
| Anteaterking 02/18/18 12:01:30 PM #33 | CNN is such a bad example of an anti-Fox News, because they go out of their way to have someone to defend for the other side no matter how dumb the issue is. Like they seriously brought on people to talk about how Ted Cruz's father MIGHT have killed JFK just so that it didn't seem like they were being biased against Trump. --- |
| Topic | People who lick their fingers to turn pages are fucking disgusting |
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| Topic | Noted intellectual heavyweight Jordan Peterson argues with a bot on Twitter |
| Anteaterking 02/17/18 11:47:50 AM #161 | nicklebro posted... Again, I have yet to see any proof that what he's saying isn't accurate. And I'm not even saying that you're wrong about that, I'm just asking you to tell me what he's saying that is wrong. Once you acknowledge that his citations are irrelevant to what he's talking about, you're left with statements that don't really have truth values. Are you saying that you want me to show "God must exist because we need a creator" is false? The first part doesn't follow from the second, but I'm not able to prove God doesn't exist. I gave you a disproof for "Moral systems have to share attributes with axiomatic systems" already. If he's wrong about the psychology of "why to clean your room", it might still be the case that it is "right" to clean your room, but there's just no real content there. You just can't have it both ways. You can't give his arguments and positions weight by saying that he's an academic/intellectual, and then say that it doesn't matter if those arguments are valid because he's still right. --- |
| Topic | Noted intellectual heavyweight Jordan Peterson argues with a bot on Twitter |
| Anteaterking 02/16/18 7:49:32 PM #114 | nicklebro posted... Take your pick. http://archive.is/khKVm This is nonsense. Godel's incompleteness theorems have nothing to do with the requirement of axioms, and there are certainly axiomatic systems that exist which do not require a God to exist (for example, Peano Arithmetic). He follows this up sometime later with: https://i.redditmedia.com/DePQF3Ssej79DxAwybWXdXGr0bEfFoi0qUECHd3UBjc.jpg?w=1024&s=151dda2bbdf6c08474455519f5d50622 This is again a complete misrepresentation of Godel's work, because in particular axioms are "provable" in the sense that within an axiomatic system F, if A_1 is an axiom, A_1 is trivially true within the system. Any logical system has to have axioms, because that is what makes it a logical system. In addition, the requirements on F that are necessary preclude most mathematical logic systems (for example, Eucidean geometry is consistent AND complete), let alone anyone's moral systems (which tend not to be recursively axiomated). So long story short, he's invoking Godel to make baby's first argument for God (the necessity of a creator to exist) seem like it has more weight behind it. Just as a note, I don't want to leave you hanging if you have any additional questions on this, but I'll be out for a while. I'll do my best to address your comments later tonight. --- |
| Topic | ''The Democratic Party needs White men, but the GOP does not need minorities.'' |
| Anteaterking 02/16/18 7:17:21 PM #6 | I think "need" is a misleading thing here. Yes, it's pretty hard to see a picture with the current voting demographics where you get 0% white males and win, but it's also hard to see reasonable platform changes that Democrats would make that would lose them that many white males. --- |
| Topic | Admiral warns that US must prepare for possibility of war with China |
| Anteaterking 02/16/18 7:14:07 PM #34 | s0nicfan posted... Anteaterking posted...s0nicfan posted...and brain drain Oh, I see what you are trying to get at. --- |
| Topic | Noted intellectual heavyweight Jordan Peterson argues with a bot on Twitter |
| Anteaterking 02/16/18 7:13:35 PM #108 | -Gavirulax- posted... lmao, uh huh, we centrists are so radical wanting to take the best from each side rather than the usual blanket bulls*** which envelops the majority when it comes to politics. I think the term radical centrist is essentially someone on the political spectrum whose views average to 0 but have high standard deviation. --- |
| Topic | Noted intellectual heavyweight Jordan Peterson argues with a bot on Twitter |
| Anteaterking 02/16/18 7:11:50 PM #106 | Romes187 posted... Hmm...what about him being a professor of psychology and having a clinical practice...that doesn't give him authority to talk about the psychological effects of cleaning your room? No, for the same reason that I can't talk from authority about operator algebras. Psychology is a wide field and if you colloquially let it cover everything involving people's emotional and mental actions, then you're going to call any psychologist an expert in essentially everything. Romes187 posted... Which experts in which areas say he's talking out of his ass btw just so I can check it out. I know evolutionary biologists like bret weinstein continually reaffirm what he is saying (most specific example being the vice interview where he discussed the sexual advantage of wearing high heels and make up) but you may not take too much stock in his opinion...not sure. I don't know who Bret Weinstein is, so I can't speak to that. Outside of math and the lobster thing, I think the biggest thing you'll find are his views on Postmodernism, which he cites his knowledge of is based on "studying their brains". This is also the source of most of the things that people on CE like him for, like anti-identity politics, etc. nicklebro posted... I have yet to see anyone actually do that tho. I've seen people nitpick irrelevant details but never have I seen any of his actual points be refuted. I mean I just asked you exactly what he got wrong and you didn't answer me, which is pretty much par for the course. Can you go back and actually explain what he's saying that is inaccurate? You want me to explain which thing that is wrong? The Godel thing? --- |
| Topic | Admiral warns that US must prepare for possibility of war with China |
| Anteaterking 02/16/18 6:58:05 PM #25 | s0nicfan posted... and brain drain It's not really a brain drain for people to move to the US solely for undergrad education and then leaving. In addition, those students usually have to pay full tuition and so universities love to have them. --- |
| Topic | Noted intellectual heavyweight Jordan Peterson argues with a bot on Twitter |
| Anteaterking 02/16/18 6:33:13 PM #98 | Romes187 posted... Are you talking about his tweet from 2013? yeah he's wrong on that It came up again after that. I'm not saying "People shouldn't listen to him". People can choose to listen to whomever they wish. nicklebro posted... And really if this is something that turns you off of his message it seems like you're nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking, seeing as how even if he was actually dead wrong about that it wouldn't affect his point at all. You call it nitpicking, but it's more that there are people who are experts in the areas that Peterson isn't that say he's talking out of his ass on their area. But Peterson (or probably more accurately his followers) has made himself out to be coming from an academic viewpoint, and once you take the academic away from him, you're letting just...some guy tell you to stand up straight and clean your room. Still a smart guy, but still one who isn't talking from authority. Like I absolutely would listen to things he has to say about e.g. alcoholism as he's had highly cited research in good journals on the topic. --- |
| Topic | FBI statement on the shooting |
| Anteaterking 02/16/18 4:15:31 PM #29 | E32005 posted... watched him like a f***ing hawk. search warrants for his comp or social media feeds. day to day activity. what they should be doing anyway. I'm just not sure that the pro-gun people would necessarily be okay with this. I see the parallel world where this is mainly met with "FBI picking on guy just because he likes guns" etc. Or if we look at other mass shooters recently, that they are being targeted because they like guns and have political belief X and so on. Which, obviously that's still a preferable world to the one where he successfully pulled off an attack, I'm just not seeing how this takes the onus from guns to the FBI. --- |
| Topic | Do you believe Russia meddled in the US elections? |
| Anteaterking 02/16/18 4:04:23 PM #50 | Sephiroth1288 posted... If a handful of trolls on Facebook were actually sufficient to cause Trump to stomp Hillary in the election, chances are she would have lost without the trolls too. Why isn't this same mentality applied to e.g. non-existent voter fraud? In addition to: Sephiroth1288 posted... The "Russians" are guilty of stealing the emails in the same way a guy finding a wad of cash someone carelessly dropped was stealing. It's not as if the sentence for robbing a store is based on how good the security was. --- |
| Topic | FBI statement on the shooting |
| Anteaterking 02/16/18 3:59:10 PM #23 | What do people think the FBI/law enforcement should have done in this case, past the initial information sharing? --- |
| Topic | Noted intellectual heavyweight Jordan Peterson argues with a bot on Twitter |
| Anteaterking 02/16/18 3:52:55 PM #93 | Balrog0 posted... the problem with him is that he doesn't make cogent arguments that are easily refutable, he makes scientific claims when it suits him and then slips into analogies that aren't meant to be taken literally in the same sentence And I hate to always use this example, because it's something I'm only familiar with because it's under my discipline, but he repeatedly cites the most "mystical" of math theorems (e.g. Godel's incompleteness) in a completely incorrect way in an attempt to make his ontological arguments sound more robust. Combining this with the lobster thing just gives me the impression that he's wielding non-specific science in lieu of making a formal argument. --- |
| Topic | Noted intellectual heavyweight Jordan Peterson argues with a bot on Twitter |
| Anteaterking 02/16/18 3:43:22 PM #90 | nicklebro posted... But for another liberal to point out the flaws and pitfalls of liberalism is eye opening and incredibly useful. He describes himself as a "classical Liberal". Most historians consider modern liberalism to be disjoint from Locke/Smith style liberalism, so it's not really a case of someone self-criticizing a group they belong to. --- |
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