Current Events > Voter IDs required vs Tougher gun laws

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darkjedilink posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

gmanthebest posted...

So every country with voter ID laws (pretty much every country) are racist?

The difference is really that other countries have a federal id that is consistent throughout the country.

The US is different in that there's no mandatory federal id and the closest we really have is the driver's license which isn't mandatory either. This allows for states to pick and choose what id to accept which means they discriminate against certain groups of people. If you really think voter id is nessicary you also need to federal government to create a mandatory federal id.

Name one state that said a state-issued photo ID wouldn't be valid to vote.

You've already missed the point.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

Its easy for me to get an ID.

Same here. In Florida you can order it online provided you had one before. And there are like 5 different places in Orlando to get one.

But how difficult some states and counties make it I could understand being broke and on your last $50 bucks and deciding not to miss a whole day of work.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

Foppe posted...

Whats cheaper and easier to get, an ID or a gun?

Consider that for many people the easiest way to get an ID is to take a day off of work and spend the afternoon at the DMV. Forget the fact that they'd be missing a pay check to do that...for many families that 25-35 dollars for an ID might be better prioritized on food for the week, or put towards a rent payment.

Its easy for me to get an ID. I'm fortunately in a position where if i did have to miss a days pay and had to pay 30 bucks for a card I wouldn't be hurt by it. Unfortunately for many people in this country that isn't the case at all.

How did they get a job without an ID? How do they cash a paycheck without ID? How did they rent a home with no ID?

darkjedilink posted...

Name one state that said a state-issued photo ID wouldn't be valid to vote.

It's not.
You have to also register with the county board of elections.

Tmaster148 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

gmanthebest posted...

So every country with voter ID laws (pretty much every country) are racist?

The difference is really that other countries have a federal id that is consistent throughout the country.

The US is different in that there's no mandatory federal id and the closest we really have is the driver's license which isn't mandatory either. This allows for states to pick and choose what id to accept which means they discriminate against certain groups of people. If you really think voter id is nessicary you also need to federal government to create a mandatory federal id.

Name one state that said a state-issued photo ID wouldn't be valid to vote.

You've already missed the point.

Not really.
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Typhon posted...

How did they get a job without an ID? How do they cash a paycheck without ID? How did they rent a home with no ID?

Are you suggesting this doesn't happen?

Usually in poorer neighborhoods there are people willing to provide those services without ID.
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Foppe posted...

Whats cheaper and easier to get, an ID or a gun?

A gun, definitely. No certain age, no ID, no registering, no nothing. If middle school and high schoolers can get whatever type of gun they want....yah, definitely guns are easier and cheaper.

Typhon posted...

How did they get a job without an ID? How do they cash a paycheck without ID? How did they rent a home with no ID?

Oh, young sweet and naive.
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Hell, I remember cashing a check at a check cashing place before I had an ID when I was a minor. I just told them my social security number and date of birth and they cashed the check for me.
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Anteaterking posted...

Typhon posted...

How did they get a job without an ID? How do they cash a paycheck without ID? How did they rent a home with no ID?

Are you suggesting this doesn't happen?

Usually in poorer neighborhoods there are people willing to provide those services without ID.

It doesn't happen legally.
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darkjedilink posted...

It doesn't happen legally.

Yes it does
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There is less than 1% voter fraud in the US, but Republicans want to force this meme
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darkjedilink posted...

Anteaterking posted...

Typhon posted...

How did they get a job without an ID? How do they cash a paycheck without ID? How did they rent a home with no ID?

Are you suggesting this doesn't happen?

Usually in poorer neighborhoods there are people willing to provide those services without ID.

It doesn't happen legally.

You're the type that thinks no legal resident would work under the table, aren't you?
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SomeonesAlt posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Voter ID laws are used to suppress low income voters, and have been proven to do so.

How about if IDs were provided free of charge with proof of citizenship?

I am fine with voter ids provided you can actually get those ids. These laws are put in place and then lawmakers do shit like make it so you can only get an id one day a week during a 3 hour timespan and call it "budget cuts"
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I also remember my mom having an expired driver's license expire while she was working at IBM.

She still had a job
Her direct deposits were still going through
She was still paying her mortgage every month

She didn't realize her license was expired until she couldn't use her ID to buy something at a store with a credit card.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Anteaterking posted...

Typhon posted...

How did they get a job without an ID? How do they cash a paycheck without ID? How did they rent a home with no ID?

Are you suggesting this doesn't happen?

Usually in poorer neighborhoods there are people willing to provide those services without ID.

It doesn't happen legally.

You're the type that thinks no legal resident would work under the table, aren't you?

Not legally.
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There is a federal ID. It is called a passport.
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DragonGirlYuki posted...

There is a federal ID. It is called a passport.

Which is not mandatory.
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Typhon posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

Foppe posted...

Whats cheaper and easier to get, an ID or a gun?

Consider that for many people the easiest way to get an ID is to take a day off of work and spend the afternoon at the DMV. Forget the fact that they'd be missing a pay check to do that...for many families that 25-35 dollars for an ID might be better prioritized on food for the week, or put towards a rent payment.

Its easy for me to get an ID. I'm fortunately in a position where if i did have to miss a days pay and had to pay 30 bucks for a card I wouldn't be hurt by it. Unfortunately for many people in this country that isn't the case at all.

How did they get a job without an ID? How do they cash a paycheck without ID? How did they rent a home with no ID?

Not all jobs require ID. Your social or any other verification works. IDs expire. You can get a job with a valid ID and just not renew it. People can pay rent and not be on a lease. Families will often pool money for rent while the lease is just in the fathers name for example. And thats just one example. What kind of questions are these?

Plenty of people dont have IDs. Its not a requirement for anything. If were going to make it one we have to make it easier to obtain one.
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Pretty sure you need ID if you look young and want to enter a casino or purchase alcohol and tobacco.
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DragonGirlYuki posted...

Pretty sure you need ID if you look young and want to purchase alcohol and tobacco.

Shoulder tapping or asking older friend/relative/sibling/etc.
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SomeonesAlt posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Voter ID laws are used to suppress low income voters, and have been proven to do so.

How about if IDs were provided free of charge with proof of citizenship?

Isn't it interesting how the pro-voter ID people are, without exception, vehemently against this?
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TheVipaGTS posted...

Typhon posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

Foppe posted...

Whats cheaper and easier to get, an ID or a gun?

Consider that for many people the easiest way to get an ID is to take a day off of work and spend the afternoon at the DMV. Forget the fact that they'd be missing a pay check to do that...for many families that 25-35 dollars for an ID might be better prioritized on food for the week, or put towards a rent payment.

Its easy for me to get an ID. I'm fortunately in a position where if i did have to miss a days pay and had to pay 30 bucks for a card I wouldn't be hurt by it. Unfortunately for many people in this country that isn't the case at all.

How did they get a job without an ID? How do they cash a paycheck without ID? How did they rent a home with no ID?

Not all jobs require ID. Your social or any other verification works. IDs expire. You can get a job with a valid ID and just not renew it. People can pay rent and not be on a lease. Families will often pool money for rent while the lease is just in the fathers name for example. And thats just one example. What kind of questions are these?

Plenty of people dont have IDs. Its not a requirement for anything. If were going to make it one we have to make it easier to obtain one.

It's required to buy alcohol, tobacco, firearms, fireworks, buy a car, drive, get a checking account, get a home loan, get auto insurance, and a million other things.

There is no meaningful way to argue that you can legitimately adult without a state-issued ID in America.
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darkjedilink posted...

There is no meaningful way to argue that you can legitimately adult without a state-issued ID in America.

Sure you can. You can get these things while having a valid ID and then still have these things after your ID expires.
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CircleOfManias posted...

SomeonesAlt posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Voter ID laws are used to suppress low income voters, and have been proven to do so.

How about if IDs were provided free of charge with proof of citizenship?

Isn't it interesting how the pro-voter ID people are, without exception, vehemently against this?

I have never seen anyone argue against this.

At the very least, I am pro-voter-ID, and for such a policy, so you're wrong by technicality.
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