Current Events > FBI statement on the shooting

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https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-statement-on-the-shooting-in-parkland-florida

On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBIs Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruzs gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.

Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.

We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.

FBI Director Christopher Wray said:

We are still investigating the facts. I am committed to getting to the bottom of what happened in this particular matter, as well as reviewing our processes for responding to information that we receive from the public. Its up to all Americans to be vigilant, and when members of the public contact us with concerns, we must act properly and quickly.

We have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy. All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it.
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So the guy wasn't stopped due to a failure of the law being implemented correctly...so the solution is to make more laws that can also be implemented incorrectly.
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Funny how liberals are avoiding all the "FBI admitted to fucking up bad" topics. I guess it doesn't fit the anti-gun narrative.
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This really isn't shocking to me.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

So the guy wasn't stopped due to a failure of the law being implemented correctly...so the solution is to make more laws that can also be implemented incorrectly.

we don't know, actually, since it is possible (and from what I've read, probable) that he would have been cleared regardless due to him not having done anything illegal

but yes there is obviously a problem with the way our federal government collects and shares information between different offices and agencies
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

So the guy wasn't stopped due to a failure of the law being implemented correctly...so the solution is to make more laws that can also be implemented incorrectly.

Or, more funding for the FBI so they're capable as an organization to deal with these reports along with more publicly available mental health support personnel/medication.
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Balrog0 posted...

we don't know, actually, since it is possible (and from what I've read, probable) that he would have been cleared regardless due to him not having done anything illegal

The guy wasn't allowed to have a backpack at his own school because he had a history of threatening people

Threats of violence last I checked are a crime.

philsov posted...

Or, more funding for the FBI so they're capable as an organization to deal with these reports along with more publicly available mental health support personnel/medication.

Right, but in all cases where law enforcement are actually given the ability to do their jobs better Democrats get upset about it. Look up Project Exile.
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Balrog0 posted...

We are still investigating the facts. I am committed to getting to the bottom of what happened in this particular matter, as well as reviewing our processes for responding to information that we receive from the public. Its up to all Americans to be vigilant, and when members of the public contact us with concerns, we must act properly and quickly.

"we will never fire the idiots responsible"
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

The guy wasn't allowed to have a backpack at his own school because he had a history of threatening people

Threats of violence last I checked are a crime.

maybe so, but the standards for an FBI investigation are higher than they are for school incidents due to the constitution

violent threats are also under the jurisdiction of the states, and not the federal government, depending on what precisely he was threatening (I don't know specifically what he got in trouble for in school -- do you?)
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Look up Project Exile.

there is no evidence that worked lol

edit - well, there is some evidence it worked initially in the pilot city, but replica programs in the area failed
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I heard the cops said that they found no connection to the white supremacist cult
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Hmmm this sounds familiar...

https://www.npr.org/2016/06/22/483046567/a-muslim-reported-omar-mateen-to-the-fbi-well-before-the-orlando-shooting

Geez what the hell are the FBI doing with their time?

FBI needs to get their shit together.
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So it was confirmed to be a failure on the part of the FBI.

This isn't about gun control, it's about the FBI's ineptitude.
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This doesn't say it's a failure on the FBI. Honestly when you bring that up jurisdiction comes into play. This was public state land I imagine.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

This doesn't say it's a failure on the FBI.

The FBI literally said protocol was not followed. How is that not failure on their part?
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Hm? The call was made to an FBI tipline
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voldothegr8 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

This doesn't say it's a failure on the FBI.

The FBI literally said protocol was not followed. How is that not failure on their part?

They said the information wasn't forwarded to them. They didn't even say whether they could have acted on it.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

This doesn't say it's a failure on the FBI.

The FBI literally said protocol was not followed. How is that not failure on their part?

They said the information wasn't forwarded to them. They didn't even say whether they could have acted on it.

if they had the info they should have. so they are fault for not transmitting it to the proper people and would probably be at fault for not acting on it. just like the other massacres.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

This doesn't say it's a failure on the FBI.

The FBI literally said protocol was not followed. How is that not failure on their part?

They said the information wasn't forwarded to them. They didn't even say whether they could have acted on it.

Information from the FBI tip line to another FBI office. Did you not read the OP?
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What do people think the FBI/law enforcement should have done in this case, past the initial information sharing?
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P4wn4g3 posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

This doesn't say it's a failure on the FBI.

The FBI literally said protocol was not followed. How is that not failure on their part?

They said the information wasn't forwarded to them. They didn't even say whether they could have acted on it.

"Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken."

If it had been forwarded to their field office then it would have been acted on. It would have been investigated. That's the purpose of sending the information to a field office.
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ClunkerSlim posted...

Something about the tip lines are going REALLY wrong. I wonder if the FBI even takes any of the tips seriously. You have to imagine that they get thousands. I mean, imagine all the times XSquader/Dawkins has probably been reported alone.

He's been raided by the FBI once and has also secretly recorded them
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voldothegr8 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

This doesn't say it's a failure on the FBI.

The FBI literally said protocol was not followed. How is that not failure on their part?

They said the information wasn't forwarded to them. They didn't even say whether they could have acted on it.

Information from the FBI tip line to another FBI office. Did you not read the OP?

Oh nevermind, I misread that part.
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Anteaterking posted...

What do people think the FBI/law enforcement should have done in this case, past the initial information sharing?

watched him like a fucking hawk. search warrants for his comp or social media feeds. day to day activity. what they should be doing anyway.
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So the tldr version is basically "We fucked up."
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E32005 posted...

watched him like a f***ing hawk. search warrants for his comp or social media feeds. day to day activity. what they should be doing anyway.

I'm just not sure that the pro-gun people would necessarily be okay with this. I see the parallel world where this is mainly met with "FBI picking on guy just because he likes guns" etc. Or if we look at other mass shooters recently, that they are being targeted because they like guns and have political belief X and so on.

Which, obviously that's still a preferable world to the one where he successfully pulled off an attack, I'm just not seeing how this takes the onus from guns to the FBI.
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Anteaterking posted...

I see the parallel world where this is mainly met with "FBI picking on guy just because he likes guns" etc.

could be. don't care. no ones taking away their guns but if you have a violent history and are owning them and posting about them on SM, you need to be investigated.
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