Current Events > Voter IDs required vs Tougher gun laws

(+) Yeah! (+)

This is a compromise I would accept.
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Voter ID laws are used to suppress low income voters, and have been proven to do so.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Voter ID laws are used to suppress low income voters, and have been proven to do so.

How about if IDs were provided free of charge with proof of citizenship?
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imagine having to compromise on something like this..."i agree this is a problem and i'd be ok with laws for it if we also do this thing that is irrelevant towards it"....
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Voter ID laws are used to suppress low income voters, and have been proven to do so.

A voter ID law that simply says "you must have a valid state or federal photo ID in order to vote" would be fine. A voter ID law that is just a guise for voter suppression is not OK at all.

Unfortunately, the latter is what some Republicans have been trying to do ever since the voting rights act was gutted.
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Isn't an ID required to buy a gun?

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Voter ID laws are used to suppress low income voters, and have been proven to do so.

Incorrect on all fronts.

That bullshit is all just an excuse so leftist corruption can secure more votes.
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CableZL posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Voter ID laws are used to suppress low income voters, and have been proven to do so.

A voter ID law that simply says "you must have a valid state or federal photo ID in order to vote" would be fine. A voter ID law that is just a guise for voter suppression is not OK at all.

...What were they trying to implement?
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ManBeast462 posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Voter ID laws are used to suppress low income voters, and have been proven to do so.

Incorrect on all fronts.

That bullshit is all just an excuse so leftist corruption can secure more votes.

Actually happened, at least once:
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/20111021/judge-bingo-witnesses-aimed-to-suppress-black--voter-turnout

Questionmarktarius posted...

Isn't an ID required to buy a gun?

And tobacco, and alcohol, and a car, and about a thousand other things.

But showing one to vote is racist. Not for anything else you need one for, though - JUST voting.

Proves libs don't want black people to defend themselves from a racist assault.
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

...What were they trying to implement?

Since the voting rights act was gutted, we've had North Carolina's GOP try to implement a "Voter ID" law in which they pulled racial data, looked at the ways black people tended to vote, and erected barriers to make those tendencies either more difficult or impossible. It was struck down in the courts.

We've also seen Alabama close DMV offices in counties with high black populations only to "re-open" them for 1 or 2 days per month after the department of justice said they were going to investigate.
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ManBeast462 posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Voter ID laws are used to suppress low income voters, and have been proven to do so.

Incorrect on all fronts.

That bullshit is all just an excuse so leftist corruption can secure more votes.

No, it's objectively correct.

The voter fraud Republicans warn about doesn't actually happen on a large scale, and Republicans have also been proven to commit far more voter fraud.

You're the one that is incorrect on all fronts.
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TC would probably advocate for a poll tax and literacy test too.
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Voter fraud nearly non-existent in the US. Make it harder to vote

Gun violence kills thousands of people every year. Do nothing.

America
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The level of racism liberals use when arguing against voter ID laws is disgusting. It's literally "blacks are too poor and stupid to get a photo ID within a 4-year period, so asking them to do this is unfair and is oppressing them."

This is the most insulting and ridiculous line of arguing I've ever heard.
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The Admiral posted...

The level of racism liberals use when arguing against voter ID laws is disgusting. It's literally "blacks are too poor and stupid to get a photo ID within a 4-year period, so asking them to do this is unfair and is oppressing them."

This is the most insulting and ridiculous line of arguing I've ever heard.

Fuck you.
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The Admiral posted...

The level of racism liberals use when arguing against voter ID laws is disgusting. It's literally "blacks are too poor and stupid to get a photo ID within a 4-year period, so asking them to do this is unfair and is oppressing them."

This is the most insulting and ridiculous line of arguing I've ever heard.

Admiral comes in to throw up a strawman, what else is new.
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Lol voter id laws are racist....

Or so i was told.

It's hilarious
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"We're willing to take measures to prevent your children from being gunned down in schools only if you take measures to prevent the poor from voting."

That's what you sound like.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs
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TheVipaGTS posted...

The Admiral posted...

The level of racism liberals use when arguing against voter ID laws is disgusting. It's literally "blacks are too poor and stupid to get a photo ID within a 4-year period, so asking them to do this is unfair and is oppressing them."

This is the most insulting and ridiculous line of arguing I've ever heard.

Fuck you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs

Edit: Ninja'd

Fun Fact: Originally, gun control was created as a way to keep them out of minority hands.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

The Admiral posted...

The level of racism liberals use when arguing against voter ID laws is disgusting. It's literally "blacks are too poor and stupid to get a photo ID within a 4-year period, so asking them to do this is unfair and is oppressing them."

This is the most insulting and ridiculous line of arguing I've ever heard.

Admiral comes in to throw up a strawman, what else is new.

He's not wrong.
Benevolent racism is actually far more pernicious than the 'traditional' malevolent racism.

Questionmarktarius posted...

He's not wrong.

Yes, he is.
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Let's not forget the bullshit gerrymandering taking place in many states. Can anyone give me a valid reason for a district to be drawn like this?


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CableZL posted...

Let's not forget the bullshit gerrymandering taking place in many states. Can anyone give me a valid reason for a district to be drawn like this?

There actually is.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/how-the-voting-rights-act-hurts-democrats-and-minorities/276893/

In the 60s, SCOTUS pretty much mandated the creation of "majority-minority" districts, where the lines were intentionally drawn around and connecting minority neighborhoods in an attempt to nigh-mandate minority representatives.

What actually happened, is that several states in the South were more than happy to oblige, and corralled all the minorities into one or two districts.

CableZL posted...

Let's not forget the bullshit gerrymandering taking place in many states. Can anyone give me a valid reason for a district to be drawn like this?

My favorite thing about all these voter ID topics is when you talk about the manner in which they've actually been implemented then conservatives rush in to do absolutely nothing but hot takes and nothing more. Substanceless histrionics is all these posters have because they're too big of cowards to actually discuss this issue that they've been clamoring about.
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"we want to prevent these people from voting but YOU'RE THE REAL RACISTS"...Its amazing the mental gymnastics some of the token conservatives of CE go through to convince themselves they aren't terrible people...it affects all poor people. black, hispanic, indian, asian...yes...even white people who are poor. they shouldn't be hindered when it comes to voting too...
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A_Good_Boy posted...

My favorite thing about all these voter ID topics is when you talk about the manner in which they've actually been implemented then conservatives rush in to do absolutely nothing but hot takes and nothing more. Substanceless histrionics is all these posters have because they're too big of cowards to actually discuss this issue that they've been clamoring about.

I keep trying to explain that voter ID in its purest sense is perfectly fine, but what Republicans are trying to do under the guise of voter ID isn't. It seems to fall on deaf ears.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

...it affects all poor people. black, hispanic, indian, asian...yes...even white people who are poor.

So... voter ID laws aren't racist then, if they affect everyone who's destitute?

Questionmarktarius posted...

So... voter ID laws aren't racist then, if they affect everyone who's destitute?

Depends on the text of the law. Some "voter ID" laws are racist while others aren't. It isn't a black and white thing (no pun intended). What North Carolina tried to do with their proposed "voter ID" law was definitely racist.
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@TheVipaGTS posted...

imagine having to compromise on something like this..."i agree this is a problem and i'd be ok with laws for it if we also do this thing that is irrelevant towards it"....

That's exactly how congress works with riders on bills, so I don't have to imagine a damn thing.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

...it affects all poor people. black, hispanic, indian, asian...yes...even white people who are poor.

So... voter ID laws aren't racist then, if they affect everyone who's destitute?

they affect everyone but stop being so dense. the people and areas clamoring so hard for voter ID laws are doing so to help the GOP win elections. the fact is many minorities, especially those in poorer areas, will tend to vote Democrat. by making it harder for them to vote they make it easier for their candidate to win in certain districts...THAT is what people mean when they say the laws proposed are racist. But you knew that....
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Whats cheaper and easier to get, an ID or a gun?
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justaguy3492 posted...

TC would probably advocate for a poll tax and literacy test too.

Is it really a bad thing to advocate for a literacy test for the purpose of electing people to make public policy decisions

And yes I know what the literacy tests were. As long as the tests would be the same for everyone I would support it
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DarthAragorn posted...

justaguy3492 posted...

TC would probably advocate for a poll tax and literacy test too.

Is it really a bad thing to advocate for a literacy test for the purpose of electing people to make public policy decisions

As long as the tests are the same for everyone I would support it

Yes, it is a bad thing and it violates the law
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DarthAragorn posted...

justaguy3492 posted...

TC would probably advocate for a poll tax and literacy test too.

Is it really a bad thing to advocate for a literacy test for the purpose of electing people to make public policy decisions

And yes I know what the literacy tests were. As long as the tests would be the same for everyone I would support it

These kinds of things will get left up to the state to handle.
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So every country with voter ID laws (pretty much every country) are racist?
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gmanthebest posted...

So every country with voter ID laws (pretty much every country) are racist?

See, more hot takes.
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Foppe posted...

Whats cheaper and easier to get, an ID or a gun?

Consider that for many people the easiest way to get an ID is to take a day off of work and spend the afternoon at the DMV. Forget the fact that they'd be missing a pay check to do that...for many families that 25-35 dollars for an ID might be better prioritized on food for the week, or put towards a rent payment.

Its easy for me to get an ID. I'm fortunately in a position where if i did have to miss a days pay and had to pay 30 bucks for a card I wouldn't be hurt by it. Unfortunately for many people in this country that isn't the case at all.
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gmanthebest posted...

So every country with voter ID laws (pretty much every country) are racist?

The difference is really that other countries have a federal id that is consistent throughout the country.

The US is different in that there's no mandatory federal id and the closest we really have is the driver's license which isn't mandatory either. This allows for states to pick and choose what id to accept which means they discriminate against certain groups of people. If you really think voter id is nessicary you also need to federal government to create a mandatory federal id.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

Foppe posted...

Whats cheaper and easier to get, an ID or a gun?

Consider that for many people the easiest way to get an ID is to take a day off of work and spend the afternoon at the DMV. Forget the fact that they'd be missing a pay check to do that...for many families that 25-35 dollars for an ID might be better prioritized on food for the week, or put towards a rent payment.

Its easy for me to get an ID. I'm fortunately in a position where if i did have to miss a days pay and had to pay 30 bucks for a card I wouldn't be hurt by it. Unfortunately for many people in this country that isn't the case at all.

In some cases, you pretty much have to take the whole day off if you're going to the DMV. When I had to renew my driver's license, there was a lady who scheduled her appointment for a certain time online. She showed up 30 minutes beforehand and still ended up waiting for hours.
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Tmaster148 posted...

The difference is really that other countries have a federal id that is consistent throughout the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act

Perhaps you need a Federal ID?
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

The difference is really that other countries have a federal id that is consistent throughout the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act

The law sets forth requirements for state driver's licenses and ID cards to be accepted by the federal government for "official purposes"

Problem here being the fact that elections are run by the states, not the federal government. So we still end up with a myriad of different voter ID laws or lack thereof throughout the country.
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CableZL posted...

Problem here being the fact that elections are run by the states, not the federal government.

No, elections are run by counties, except for that one state that calls them "parishes" instead.

Questionmarktarius posted...

CableZL posted...

Problem here being the fact that elections are run by the states, not the federal government.

No, elections are run by counties, except for that one state that calls them "parishes" instead.

Even so, my point still stands.
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CableZL posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

The difference is really that other countries have a federal id that is consistent throughout the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act

The law sets forth requirements for state driver's licenses and ID cards to be accepted by the federal government for "official purposes"

Problem here being the fact that elections are run by the states, not the federal government. So we still end up with a myriad of different voter ID laws or lack thereof throughout the country.

The other thing is that it's still not mandatory and many states still have switched over.

Plus the main use for it is for plane travel.
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CableZL posted...

Even so, my point still stands.

Well, fine.

CableZL posted...

WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

...What were they trying to implement?

Since the voting rights act was gutted, we've had North Carolina's GOP try to implement a "Voter ID" law in which they pulled racial data, looked at the ways black people tended to vote, and erected barriers to make those tendencies either more difficult or impossible. It was struck down in the courts.

We've also seen Alabama close DMV offices in counties with high black populations only to "re-open" them for 1 or 2 days per month after the department of justice said they were going to investigate.

But but they were doing it because they were democrats not because they were black!!!
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Tmaster148 posted...

gmanthebest posted...

So every country with voter ID laws (pretty much every country) are racist?

The difference is really that other countries have a federal id that is consistent throughout the country.

The US is different in that there's no mandatory federal id and the closest we really have is the driver's license which isn't mandatory either. This allows for states to pick and choose what id to accept which means they discriminate against certain groups of people. If you really think voter id is nessicary you also need to federal government to create a mandatory federal id.

Name one state that said a state-issued photo ID wouldn't be valid to vote.
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