Current Events > Any ideology that uses a crap ton of propaganda is gonna be bad...

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You're not different or cool for being into communism you're only a useful idiot.

Jeez I see a lot of self-proclaimed "communists" on this board.

I have read the primary school book report that is the manifesto and the mess of what is the ramblings of a man who does not understand even basic economics; das kapital.
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Are we going to pretend we haven't been indoctrinated to capitalism since we popped out of the womb?
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are you even trying
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But they told me if we bring in communism I can get paid to sit at home and play video games all day!
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Garioshi posted...

are you even trying

Why do new users always argue this way?

"are u even tryin xD"
"ur dum"
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Are we going to pretend we haven't been indoctrinated to capitalism since we popped out of the womb?

No; commercials trying to coerce you to buy things isn't exactly the same as the indoctrination into communism that is required. Human beings create a barter economy when left alone which eventually evolves into capitalism. Communism has to be forced on a population.
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Very_Unreliable posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Are we going to pretend we haven't been indoctrinated to capitalism since we popped out of the womb?

No; commercials trying to coerce you to buy things isn't exactly the same as the indoctrination into communism that is required. Human beings create a barter economy when left alone which eventually evolves into capitalism. Communism has to be forced on a population.

Right, that's why the US had to interfere in democratic elections in Europe and south Asia because they were scared that communists would win the elections. It HAS to be forced; nobody would ever willingly choose communism.
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Very_Unreliable posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Are we going to pretend we haven't been indoctrinated to capitalism since we popped out of the womb?

No; commercials trying to coerce you to buy things isn't exactly the same as the indoctrination into communism that is required. Human beings create a barter economy when left alone which eventually evolves into capitalism. Communism has to be forced on a population.

When left alone, humans steal, murder, and rape each other. Does natural mean better?

The people online who support Communism are basically saying "I'm never going to amount to anything and am bitter of the success of others, so I want you to give me what you earned and am going to pretend this inequality is because I'm oppressed."

You'll notice no one with any amount of success is a Communist. It's not an "enlightened" position when it's purely out of self-interest.
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Fam_Fam posted...

Very_Unreliable posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Are we going to pretend we haven't been indoctrinated to capitalism since we popped out of the womb?

No; commercials trying to coerce you to buy things isn't exactly the same as the indoctrination into communism that is required. Human beings create a barter economy when left alone which eventually evolves into capitalism. Communism has to be forced on a population.

When left alone, humans steal, murder, and rape each other. Does natural mean better?

I think that's a fallacious statement. I think when left alone human beings also will punish those responsible for those crimes, without a government enforcing it.
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I've noticed that communists see human beings in a very negative light. Very very nihilistic people.
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Fam_Fam posted...

Very_Unreliable posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Are we going to pretend we haven't been indoctrinated to capitalism since we popped out of the womb?

No; commercials trying to coerce you to buy things isn't exactly the same as the indoctrination into communism that is required. Human beings create a barter economy when left alone which eventually evolves into capitalism. Communism has to be forced on a population.

When left alone, humans steal, murder, and rape each other. Does natural mean better?

Yeah, without extensive government humans revert to autocracy and barbarism, not capitalism. The vast majority of human society has not been "capitalism" by modern definition.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

Very_Unreliable posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Are we going to pretend we haven't been indoctrinated to capitalism since we popped out of the womb?

No; commercials trying to coerce you to buy things isn't exactly the same as the indoctrination into communism that is required. Human beings create a barter economy when left alone which eventually evolves into capitalism. Communism has to be forced on a population.

When left alone, humans steal, murder, and rape each other. Does natural mean better?

Yeah, without extensive government humans revert to autocracy and barbarism, not capitalism. The vast majority of human society has not been "capitalism" by modern definition.

I love the ever moving goal post of a leftist's argument.

What is this "modern" definition lol? (aka just a nebulous definition that fits your argument) it's like arguing with a 12 year old.
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Very_Unreliable posted...

I've noticed that communists see human beings in a very negative light. Very very nihilistic people.

that's not what nihilism is
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Very_Unreliable posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

Very_Unreliable posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Are we going to pretend we haven't been indoctrinated to capitalism since we popped out of the womb?

No; commercials trying to coerce you to buy things isn't exactly the same as the indoctrination into communism that is required. Human beings create a barter economy when left alone which eventually evolves into capitalism. Communism has to be forced on a population.

When left alone, humans steal, murder, and rape each other. Does natural mean better?

Yeah, without extensive government humans revert to autocracy and barbarism, not capitalism. The vast majority of human society has not been "capitalism" by modern definition.

I love the ever moving goal post of a leftist's argument.

What is this "modern" definition lol? (aka just a nebulous definition that fits your argument) it's like arguing with a 12 year old.

"Capitalism is an economic system based upon private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit. Characteristics central to capitalism include private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, voluntary exchange, a price system and competitive markets."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsistence_economy

"A subsistence economy is a non-monetary economy which relies on natural resources to provide for basic needs, through hunting, gathering, and subsistence agriculture. "Subsistence" means supporting oneself at a minimum level; in a subsistence economy, economic surplus is minimal and only used to trade for basic goods, and there is no industrialization.[1][2]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_economy

"Traditional economy is an original economic system in which traditions, customs, and beliefs help shape the goods and the services the economy produces, as well as the rules and manner of their distribution. Countries that use this type of economic system are often rural and farm-based. Also known as a subsistence economy, a traditional economy is defined by bartering[citation needed][dubious ] and trading. A Little surplus is produced[citation needed], and if any excess goods are made, they are typically given to a ruling authority or landowner.

A pure traditional economy has had no changes in how it operates (there are few of these today). Examples of these traditional economies include those of the Inuit or those of the tea plantations in South India.[1] Traditional economies are popularly conceived of as "primitive" or "undeveloped" economic systems, having tools or techniques seen as outdated.[2] As with the notion of contemporary primitiveness and with modernity itself, the view that traditional economies are backward is not shared by scholars in economics and anthropology.One example of a traditional or custom based economy is Haiti."

Just a quick primer so you're not using nebulous terms.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Very_Unreliable posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

Very_Unreliable posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Are we going to pretend we haven't been indoctrinated to capitalism since we popped out of the womb?

No; commercials trying to coerce you to buy things isn't exactly the same as the indoctrination into communism that is required. Human beings create a barter economy when left alone which eventually evolves into capitalism. Communism has to be forced on a population.

When left alone, humans steal, murder, and rape each other. Does natural mean better?

Yeah, without extensive government humans revert to autocracy and barbarism, not capitalism. The vast majority of human society has not been "capitalism" by modern definition.

I love the ever moving goal post of a leftist's argument.

What is this "modern" definition lol? (aka just a nebulous definition that fits your argument) it's like arguing with a 12 year old.

"Capitalism is an economic system based upon private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit. Characteristics central to capitalism include private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, voluntary exchange, a price system and competitive markets."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsistence_economy

"A subsistence economy is a non-monetary economy which relies on natural resources to provide for basic needs, through hunting, gathering, and subsistence agriculture. "Subsistence" means supporting oneself at a minimum level; in a subsistence economy, economic surplus is minimal and only used to trade for basic goods, and there is no industrialization.[1][2]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_economy

"Traditional economy is an original economic system in which traditions, customs, and beliefs help shape the goods and the services the economy produces, as well as the rules and manner of their distribution. Countries that use this type of economic system are often rural and farm-based. Also known as a subsistence economy, a traditional economy is defined by bartering[citation needed][dubious ] and trading. A Little surplus is produced[citation needed], and if any excess goods are made, they are typically given to a ruling authority or landowner.

A pure traditional economy has had no changes in how it operates (there are few of these today). Examples of these traditional economies include those of the Inuit or those of the tea plantations in South India.[1] Traditional economies are popularly conceived of as "primitive" or "undeveloped" economic systems, having tools or techniques seen as outdated.[2] As with the notion of contemporary primitiveness and with modernity itself, the view that traditional economies are backward is not shared by scholars in economics and anthropology.One example of a traditional or custom based economy is Haiti."

Just a quick primer so you're not using nebulous terms.

I love when condescending nitwits Ike TC get fucked in their own topics
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To note, "Tribalism" would be a better term nowadays than "Barbarism". I've just been listening to a lot of Roman History lectures recently.
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I don't really understand how the topic title and the post relate.
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Samurontai posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Very_Unreliable posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

Very_Unreliable posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Are we going to pretend we haven't been indoctrinated to capitalism since we popped out of the womb?

No; commercials trying to coerce you to buy things isn't exactly the same as the indoctrination into communism that is required. Human beings create a barter economy when left alone which eventually evolves into capitalism. Communism has to be forced on a population.

When left alone, humans steal, murder, and rape each other. Does natural mean better?

Yeah, without extensive government humans revert to autocracy and barbarism, not capitalism. The vast majority of human society has not been "capitalism" by modern definition.

I love the ever moving goal post of a leftist's argument.

What is this "modern" definition lol? (aka just a nebulous definition that fits your argument) it's like arguing with a 12 year old.

"Capitalism is an economic system based upon private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit. Characteristics central to capitalism include private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, voluntary exchange, a price system and competitive markets."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsistence_economy

"A subsistence economy is a non-monetary economy which relies on natural resources to provide for basic needs, through hunting, gathering, and subsistence agriculture. "Subsistence" means supporting oneself at a minimum level; in a subsistence economy, economic surplus is minimal and only used to trade for basic goods, and there is no industrialization.[1][2]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_economy

"Traditional economy is an original economic system in which traditions, customs, and beliefs help shape the goods and the services the economy produces, as well as the rules and manner of their distribution. Countries that use this type of economic system are often rural and farm-based. Also known as a subsistence economy, a traditional economy is defined by bartering[citation needed][dubious ] and trading. A Little surplus is produced[citation needed], and if any excess goods are made, they are typically given to a ruling authority or landowner.

A pure traditional economy has had no changes in how it operates (there are few of these today). Examples of these traditional economies include those of the Inuit or those of the tea plantations in South India.[1] Traditional economies are popularly conceived of as "primitive" or "undeveloped" economic systems, having tools or techniques seen as outdated.[2] As with the notion of contemporary primitiveness and with modernity itself, the view that traditional economies are backward is not shared by scholars in economics and anthropology.One example of a traditional or custom based economy is Haiti."

Just a quick primer so you're not using nebulous terms.

I love when condescending nitwits Ike TC get fucked in their own topics

ew whats your problem.
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