Current Events > Did Vergil actually think he wouldn't lose to Nero next time?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Vergil got hit with a DDT that instantly unplugged the power up he worked the whole game for. He got hit with his own ghost from another timeline where he probably died from drinking too much paint. In the normal buster grab he stabs Nero and does 0 damage. There might as well have been grabs where Nero gives him a wedgie or does the stop hitting yourself thing.

He also gets launched up in the air and juggled around because he forgot to bring his lucky space rock like in DMC3, he gets mentally discombobulated by taunts and tries to taunt back and sometimes he stands around and lets giant red meteors fall on him.

There's no way this chump actually thinks there's going to be a next time that doesn't mainly involve him being repeatedly shoved in either a locker or a toilet right?
Are the years of hard knocks finally taking their toll on his mental capabilities?

Vergil canonically has a huge penis which probably clouds his judgement due the belief that he is King Cock of Big Dick Mountain but he forgot that dick size is genetic and that he passed it onto his son.

Incorrect because he spends most of the game as a tapdancing emo and a chair-ridden tree hugger who both go on and on about being too weak and needing power, we know Vergil is aware to at least some degree that he sucks.

He has talking animal imaginary friends too so I'm going toward the CTE theory.

he thinks that he is the storm that is approaching

ViewtifulJoe posted...

Incorrect because he spends most of the game as a tapdancing emo and a chair-ridden tree hugger who both go on and on about being too weak and needing power, we know Vergil is aware to at least some degree that he sucks.

He has talking animal imaginary friends too so I'm going toward the CTE theory.

The only thing I know about the DMC series is that Vergil has a daddy demon dick, so I'm afraid I can't refute your knowledge.

Kaiganeer posted...

he thinks that he is the storm that is approaching

That's what he calls the brain fog he suffers from. It's a cry for help.
His inner tapdancing emo couldn't resist going the musical route with it.

pegusus123456 posted...

The only thing I know about the DMC series is that Vergil SUCKS

FIXED HA HA HA HA

"It's you Dante! You're the Devil May Cry!"

ChrisTaka posted...

"It's you Dante! You're the Devil May Cry!"

Wait, this reminded me that I do know one more thing about the series. Dante was the one who was supposed to fill her dark soul with liiiiiiight.

A lot of people are quick to say DMC5's playable Vergil is really out of control strong and he's all this and all that but here's the thing. DMC3, 4 and 5's stories are pretty much Vergil telling insane lies about things that could have or actually happened, so why wouldn't the gameplay also be exaggerated?

In DMC3, Vergil's story is an insane retelling where Vergil places himself in Dante's shop, forgets to make up cutscenes to give the adventure context and recounts the adventure as him repeatedly fighting demons and killing them.

He fights RED VERGIL multiple times and I'm assuming this is supposed to be some dumb Sonichu tier crap he made up about conquering his dark side.
Because the story's taken this form, I assume DMC3 Vergil mode's narrator is a post DMC1 Vergil trying to counterweight his traumatic experiences with a wacky story.
Fortunately DMC3 Vergil does not go crazy lying about his combat proficiency. DMD Vergil 3 was a very respectable boss fight and even though it took two warm up fights, Vergil's A game was eventually bought.

He did get a little ahead of himself pretending he had Force Edge and Beowulf the entire time and going by the revelations of DMC5 there probably would have been more cane twirling and skipping around reciting poems in a hushed voice.

RED VERGIL is Vergil's OC and an example of Vergil's complete lack of creativity. Vergil could not even think up any interactions between him and his dark side, it's just a clusterfuck of CUTOFF BLAST BEGONE THIS MAY BE FUN YOU TRASH DON'T GET SO COCKY RIDICULOUS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xD3MOiiyjo

Devil May Cry 4 is Vergil's proudest exaggeration.
Presumably again, the narrator of DMC4 Vergil mode is a post-DMC1 Vergil not so much attempting to come to terms with his experiences but rather fabricating outrageous lies in the hope of preserving his image.

There is only an opening and ending cutscene. Everything else is as follows. Here's how it goes according to Vergil.
-Vergil starts by immediately defeating Dante in a church.
-He then tears through town and defeats Mundus' son Berial easily.
-He sprints to an ice castle for no reason, fumbles around with some gyro blades and evil ghost knights (An attempt to distance himself from his time as Nelo Angelo) before defeating Bael easily.
-In a preview of his days as noted tree hugger Urizen, he then makes a beeline for the forest and defeats Echidna with little to no effort.
-Vergil visits a giant castle and kills Credo, probably not even getting his name. Dante apparently survived the start. Vergil defeats him again. Agnus is the same deal as Credo. Encounter followed by immediate hostility and a quick defeat.
-Vergil beats up Sanctus and decides to spare him.
-Turns out everyone Vergil defeated lived and came back for more. Vergil retraces his path and defeats Echidna, Bael/Dagon, Berial and Agnus again.
-A giant evil statue comes out of nowhere. Vergil defeats it. He then plays a dice game, re-defeats Berial, Bael/Dagon, Echidna and Agnus AGAIN before finally defeating Sanctus and going home.

And that's not even getting into the moves he's made up for himself. Instant Judgement Cuts? Air Stingers? A high speed buzzsaw version of Lunar Phase? Right, with the Beowulf and Force Edge that he definitely had back then?

Who is going to believe this story? At the end of DMC5 is he sitting in Nico's van going "Son let me tell you a wonderful story. Remember when you beat up Credo and then Sanctus finished him off? Remember how you were torn up about it for years? Well surprise! None of it happened. It was all me." and then mumbling something about motivation when the rest of the room just stares at him in cautious anticipation?

DMC5. Here's what it is.
You take all Vergil's outrageous lies about what he'd be like as a player character in 4 and you turn them up a few notches.
Vergil is now apparently able to giant earthquake punches, the M Bison Psycho Crusher, a big horizontal slash that slows down time and freely SDT whenever even though in his retelling he completely skips over any process that involves him acquiring SDT in the first place.
He also says something like "Your nightmare begins here!" when devil triggering which is pretty lame considering the enemies he's fighting were already helpless punching bags.
The same way we congratulate new games for simply releasing as finished games we must shower DMC5 Vergil with praise for altering his story to feature a ghost version of Force Edge instead of the real thing.

Vergil gives himself a move where he summons a tapdancing emo to twirl around and shoot magical beams alongside his talking animal companions but he forgets the whole bit of the story where he split himself into what looks like Obelisk the Tormentor after getting drunk in a hedge maze and a guy who probably gets angry when people make fun of the how could this happen to me? song. He even tries to pretend he was the one to defeat dollar store Obelisk
.
Nothing is consistent with Vergil. He just makes up and temporarily commits to anything. The more pressing issue is now much of this is low effort deception and how much can be attributed to mental illness.
If you look at Vergil's fights at the end of DMC5 and contrast them to the final boss fight of DMC3 the real story tells itself. Vergil clearly hadn't actually played DMC in years and it showed big time.

Here are some pity points.
-Vergil got the last hit on Dante. This takes some doing, Dante is kind of a machine.
-Vergil prodded Dante away with his sword and at least challenged him to a fair fight.
-Vergil gave Nero a book which was a nice thing to do. Perhaps Vergil could abandon his delusions of power and glory and spend more time at the local library. There are lots of books there. They'll look great falling from his grasp whenever his son next shoves him in a locker.

You're just mad that Viewtiful Joe is a dead series

Irony posted...

You're just mad that Viewtiful Joe is a dead series

Well Ron (Short for Irony) that's a given, but I wonder what your motive for trying to distract from the hard hitting Vergil factoids is.

You wouldn't happen to be tapdancing and pretending to play your cane like a violin right now by any chance, would you?

The motivation thing has to be addressed.
Why does Vergil constantly talk about motivation? For years he lead us on. We all took "Now I'm a little motivated" in the same vein as "Heh, I might actually have to put some effort in."
This is not what's happening.

Even in his own egregiously falsified retelling Vergil accidentally makes us privy to this so called concentration meter of his. When it's low Vergil cannot do his moves even in his own exaggerated retelling of events. He fills the meter by landing successful attacks and by walking around.

What this means is Vergil's motivation is not derived from encountering powerful opponents but rather being emboldened by repeated small successes.
This fixation on motivation therefore does not come from a lack of challenge in his life, instead it's Vergil's debilitating confidence issues are what's keeping him from growing and leading him to tell outrageous lies of his exploits, inserting himself into starring roles in other peoples' adventures like he's Gilderoy Lockhart who he probably admires. Each successful hit tells Vergil that maybe, just maybe. He can do it. Unfortunately he can also do a lot of things that he really shouldn't like catching giant red meteor storms with his face, being divekicked repeatedly and flying right into a DDT so his growth has a hard cap.

Now you're probably wondering why Vergil is able to perform moves like Judgement Cut End in his DMC5 boss fights if he requires a lot of positive reinforcement to become capable. I believe it's his fight or flight response substituting for his usual avenues to motivation. Vergil throughout his fights against Dante and Nero is absolutely terrified because he knows deep down that he's a fraud. He knows it's the moment he's been dreading, he's about to get pushed over and deprived of his lunch money.

When they next do a Vs Capcom game the roster picking is going to go down like Tony Hawk's Underground 2. If DMC5 Vergil gets picked it'll only be because exceptionally poor competition, you'll have to put him against the likes of Ethan "Stale Bread: The Person" Winters to make him a preferable alternative. "Do I want the noob? ...Or do I want Vergil "Wheels of fury" Sparda? No more divekicking into Prop Shredders eh Vergil?"

He doesn't even have an end goal be to be motivated about. He just randomly announces that he has felt motivation in small increments.

Yall some HATERS

lww99 posted...

Yall some HATERS

And you can't spell haters without hat.
Let's talk hats.

As we remember, Dante in real life himself, Tameem Antoniades famously associated both Dante and Vergil with headwear.
Dante was likened by Tameem to a flamboyant cowboy whose presence would bring great laughter. By the time DMC5 rolled around, the prophecy had come to pass. Dante was a Michael Jackson dancing cowboy who rendered jaws agape, hearty chuckles expectorated and S ranks easily achieved with his repugnantly overpowered pay-to-win hat.

Vergil was entrusted with a fedora by Tameem. There was no accompanying prophecy, Vergil's cranium was simply partnered with the piece of apparel and soon our expectations of Vergil's character began to be subverted. He avoided combat when he could, he gleefully opted to use firearms, his DLC gave him an alt costume aptly titled Weak Vergil, he was helpless against Mundus whereas Dante seemed not to struggle too much and at the very end of the game he challenged Dante to a fight and embarrassed himself through the medium of gameplay.

By the time DmC Devil May Cry Special Edition was re-released, something mysterious had happened. Vergil's fedora had become invisible. It could no longer be seen by the human eye in the same cutscenes, but nothing about Vergil's character or decision making changed, it still exerted its power over him.

From here you have to ask, was DMC5 Vergil wearing an invisible fedora all along? Being the new host body for Tameem's fedora would explain the similarities to DmC Vergil. Neither is particularly difficult to defeat, neither of them are cool, both embarrass themselves at the end of the game, both are fixated on a foe they simply cannot defeat, both are worthy of being referred to as Weak Vergil and neither will attempt to dodge a reflected summoned sword.
Were V and Urizen both wearing invisible fedoras? How many still exist within the DMC universe?

The hat theory raises questions but it is plausible.

IMPORTANT LORE QUESTION
Where did V's tapdancing skills come from?
It wasn't gonna be in the brief time he existed, that was a race against time and he wasn't messing around. It had to come from Vergil. Same as his ability to pretend to play a violin and his ability to walk around holding a book. We see Vergil hold up a book and say "Yo I should give Nero a book." in one of his so called taunts.

At some point Vergil sat down and found time to hone his tapdancing prowess. You can see a bit of this after he kills Beowulf. He could have just obliterated him and stood still but he makes it a point to bounce around.

I think there was a lot off off-screen tapdancing perpetrated by Vergil. Kills Arkham -> walks off screen and dances a merry jig. Kills Beowulf -> forgets he's on screen for a sec and almost dances. Fights Mundus at the end of 3 -> tries to do a little dance the same way Dante would insert a taunt -> Mundus defeats Vergil easily because of this.

I don't care about the taunt where ghost Vergil does a dance, that ghost Vergil could have a whole other origin story.

so if i'm picking up what you're putting down, you are immensely sexually frustrated and the behavioral analysis doctorate you've written in this topic is a silent (well, loud) plea for vergil to relieve you of it

vergil is not real

Now this is why I come to CE. I feel 10 years younger after reading this topic.

*Popcorn.gif*

You miss the point.

V is Vergil's humanity, separated entirely from the influence of his demonic heritage.

It thus shows that Vergil has the potential to be a Laird of the Dance, but the sins of Sparda have irrevocably taken that from him.

Kaiganeer posted...

so if i'm picking up what you're putting down, you are immensely sexually frustrated and the behavioral analysis doctorate you've written in this topic is a silent (well, loud) plea for vergil to relieve you of it

vergil is not real

You have picked some of it up indeed.
Vergil is not real. Nothing about him is actual nor factual.
Vergil as evidenced by his out of control lies and insane retelling of DMC games which 2 out of 3 times have included him kicking his own ass, is a world class fraud.
He makes up moves for himself, he takes credit for Dante and Nero's wins left and right. He even makes up wacky OC versions of himself, Red Vergil, Super Vergil, Corrupt Vergil, Ghost Vergil and Super Corrupt Vergil (Yes very inventive that one.)

He doesn't even say his own poetry, he has to pull out the book and read someone else's like he couldn't even memorise it.

DrizztLink posted...

You miss the point.

V is Vergil's humanity, separated entirely from the influence of his demonic heritage.

It thus shows that Vergil has the potential to be a Laird of the Dance, but the sins of Sparda have irrevocably taken that from him.

V is a look at Vergil with less of crazy and also without the last 5 letters of his name. He's still a total mutant. Everything you see is part of the true Vergil, it doesn't exclusively exist as some what-could-have-been look into a happier timeline story. The skipping and the prancing and the merry jigs, the wacky adventures alongside some zoo escapees. All Vergil's passions.

All V's done is shown that whenever Vergil goes on about having the power to protect things, he's not talking about other people because he holds nobody dear and he's down to imaginary talking critters in that department. Vergil's need to protect is actually pertaining to shallow hobby stuff like making sure nobody breaks the little stand that holds his sheet music or having the ability to get Berial denied entry to the local cooking contest so he can win.

I'm deducting a pity point.
Earlier I said fair play to DMC5 Vergil for getting the last hit on DMC5 Dante. In retrospect this means very little. It like much of Vergil's 'feats' was probably either CGI, the Mandela Effect, shameless lies or an optical illusion.
Vergil's been sitting around at the top of the tree waiting the entire time, minimal fatigue, he just got done eating his favorite fruit. Dante's spent the last bunch of days fighting Urizens, been climbing the tree, fighting Vergil's cartoon animals, foregoing a balanced diet in favor of pizza every day and by the time Dante reaches Vergil he still beats him no effort.

I'm not going all in on the fight because that'd take too long but here's some key stuff.
-Dante's summoned swords destroy Vergil's summoned swords instantly and stunlock him which means Dante's sword summoning power is exponentially stronger than Vergil's.
-Dante can just royal guard everything Vergil does, even if you've played mission 19 before and you know Vergil's gonna give you the UMVC3 heavy attack at the end, some higher force intervenes and takes control away because it really wants Vergil to survive long enough to be trampled by Nero.
-You can kill DMD Vergil in like 10-20 seconds by dropping the meteors on him. One attack. I don't think even the reboot fell to such lows.

There's just no plausibility for a boss like Mission 19 Vergil holding himself together like that. Vergil getting the last hit and it being taken seriously is like Dante walking into Vergil's room while he's asleep, pouring magma on him, tearing the bookshelf off the wall and hitting him with it repeatedly before overkilling him off with that Attack Reels move Wakka does. Then after it's over, Vergil's alarm clock goes off, Dante is startled and bumps his elbow on something and because of that little tap, the next cutscene acts like either it was a tie or like Vergil had the upper hand.

Someone with a Death Note probably wrote Vergil's Dignity in there and then wrote in that he unconsciously fights back just well enough to not get completely destroyed by Dante.

You seem sane

Murphiroth posted...

You seem sane

Unlike Vergil who has been figuratively walking in circles for who knows how long and acting equally surprised and impressed each time he sees the only landmark for miles.
The hip way of describing insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.

In DMC1 Nelo Angelo makes it 3 rounds (4 if you wanna count Nightmare's alternate dimension) before finally being destroyed. He did not necessarily give up nor abandon the idea that he's going to win this eventually. Dante feeds into Vergil's issue by describing as a man of guts and honor.
In DMC3 It's the same thing, another three fights. Perhaps this one is understandable considering Vergil quite decisively wins the first fight and the second is broken up by interference.

In DMC5 it's all Vergil talks about. Get power -> fight Dante this, cutoff blast begone that. Urizen fills in for Vergil's obsession. Dante and Vergil duel. It goes nowhere. Vergil tries to claim a win over Nero would be a win over Dante by technicality. He loses. By the end Vergil and Dante are trapped in an eternal duel where keeping score has simultaneously lost meaning and become the closest thing to an end goal. Ambushes by enemies are treated as brief intermissions. With no more grandiose schemes to procure power, Vergil resorts to having the same go-nowhere fight with Dante endlessly.
Dante might be willing to end this, Vergil not so much.

I regret shitposting in this topic because now it's stuck in my AMP.

Best topic on CE in years and I like Vergil

pegusus123456 posted...

Vergil canonically has a huge penis which probably clouds his judgement due the belief that he is King Cock of Big Dick Mountain but he forgot that dick size is genetic and that he passed it onto his son.

Vergil reeks of "small dick energy", if I gotta be honest. The guy is fixated on his dad, becoming like his dad but not wanting to do the hard part like the responsibility that comes with that power, he never took care of his younger sibling who had to do all the heavy lifting in every game, and to whom he loses to repeatedly. Oh, and we now learn he had a son he never took care of. Not just that, he assaulted him while he was home with his girlfriend and niece and being friendly. Then he loses to Dante again. Then he loses to his son who just learned his dad was a deadbeat.

No, really. His entire life story doesn't have anything close to a victory. The weebs love him because they project themselves as this misunderstood lone badass, not understanding that this is a surface level, juvenile wishful fantasy on their part.

There is a common misconception about Vergil's name. A lot of people think it's a combination of the words verge and ill. As in a character who is on the verge of being ill. There is even some supporting evidence in that Vergil's DMC3-5 voice actor got the role for having a cold at the time they were making DMC3 and the distinct barfing sound Vergil emits when performing a stinger in DMC3 and 4. While this does make sense and that devil trigger rapid slash spam thing he does in DMC4 would definitely make you dizzy enough to feel ill or at least need to sit down for a while, his name coinciding with it was an unintended coincidence.

Dante and Vergil's names most likely come down to Sparda and Eva's personal preferences or perhaps a funny game where they gave one name they liked and the other a name they disliked, then raised each in accordance with how much they liked their name.
It may have been derived from verdant, suggesting that Vergil was originally destined to be dressed in green, to be the Luigi to Dante's Mario but he defiantly started wearing blue.

Vergil's unyielding bitterness, apparent perception that Dante was the favorite and his fixation on equalling or overcoming Sparda suggest that Vergil has unresolved issues relating to his inability to earn Sparda's approval. I would guess that when Dante and Vergil received their halves of the amulet, Sparda probably made fun of Vergil for being excited about jewellery while simultaneously congratulating Dante for embracing his heritage.
This would find its way into all facets of daily life. Dante would be treated like he was predestined for greatness, destined to defeat Mundus and be playable in Viewtiful Joe, meanwhile Sparda was taking bets on whether Vergil would end up more like a crazed Undertale fan or like Martin Prince from the Simpsons.

Also here's another name. Gilver. I want to make fun of this a lot and say Wanna know how inventive Vergil is when it comes to names? Wanna hear about another one of his OCs? Two birds one stone! but apparently the character Gilver in one of the novels who was originally planned to be a disguised Vergil was changed.
Fortunately we did end up getting a mysterious character who turned out to be Vergil though. The one we got had much more exciting traits than Gilver. Traits like looking as if he teaches magic art at Hogwarts while giving the Slytherins preferential treatment and being pretty much the only player character in the series to cower from a boss and need Nero to handle it for him.

yeah, heard the writers wrote him that way

Reminder that an unpowered Dante and Virgil bitch slapped an Ultra instinct Nero and it knocked his ass out

FatAnimeBooty posted...

Reminder that an unpowered Dante and Virgil bitch slapped an Ultra instinct Nero and it knocked his ass out

Tbf he didn't see it coming

Irony posted...

Tbf he didn't see it coming

He's deadweight.

FatAnimeBooty posted...

Reminder that an unpowered Dante and Virgil bitch slapped an Ultra instinct Nero and it knocked his ass out

The amount of pain inflicted and the amount of knockback exerted on someone by a move are separate things.
There are moves in DMC that will force a hard knockdown but do minimal damage. There are moves that won't even knock characters do the ground but will do alarming amounts of damage very fast.
These characters - provided they have forgotten to bring their lucky space rocks - have an easy time both traversing great heights and distances as well as launching each other flying. When they actually fight each other however, depleting a health bar on DMD can be a meticulous process.

Again, in the previous fight, Nero's buster grab features Vergil successfully impaling Nero and doing no damage at all. Nero was emotionally vulnerable, determined to give both the benefit of the doubt and in true fool-me-once fashion, paid a very minor price for his optimism. He was in no way knocked out though. Dante and Vergil's combined attack on Nero was a minor annoyance at best.

If that wasn't sufficient evidence that Vergil is weak, right after both sons of Sparda punch Nero and do no damage, Vergil spitefully attempts to throw a book at Nero as a final attack but cannot even send it far enough to hit him.

ViewtifulJoe posted...

Vergil spitefully attempts to throw a book at Nero as a final attack but cannot even send it far enough to hit him.

Idk why I find this sentence to funny lmao

It's basically what happened but not at the same time

We gotta talk about Urizen's social circle. He doesn't draw as much immediate attention as V and his Looney Tunes characters but he's not much better off.

Up front you'd be confused, Urizen's supposed to be a guy who cares about nobody and nothing except the senseless accumulation of power. All he cares about is power and he barely explains why. If the game was made a few years later Urizen would be talking about power being the future and how Dante just isn't smart enough to understand it like it's a pitch for his new pyramid scheme. Despite saying this, Urizen's actions constantly show signs of self-inflicted loneliness stemming from his refusal to be accepting of others.

One of the first things Urizen does in this game is kidnap Lady and Trish, dress them up in the kind of dumb costumes he'd wear and force them to be his friends. That's a pretty desperate cry for help right away, he has so little charisma that he has to resort to creating Faced Mechon in an attempt to imitate having friends.
And that's me giving Urizen the benefit of the doubt. Who's to say he didn't take one look at Lady, see the resemblance to Arkham and have a tantrum after remembering how Arkham tricked him and then take it out on her? What's the worst thing Trish did to Urizen? Resemble his mother? And this is his response? Shameful stuff.

His interactions with Malphas are pretty telling too. Oh hold on, what interactions? Malphas is basically the only character in the game to be amicable and benevolent toward Urizen. No caveats, no beating him senseless first like Nero, no beating him up then only being nice to him after accepting he's beyond help like Dante.
Urizen is never seen engaging her in conversation, instead she's left to try and work out how to foster their friendship on her own. V straight up ghosts her, he sees her, he hides from her, he cowers from her. Not nice. Vergil even takes it upon himself to insert a scene in which he cold bloodedly kills her in his DMC5 retelling.

Why? It might be something to do with Vergil's views on genders, it might be a class thing. Just because Malphas is a humble chicken farmer doesn't mean Urizen/V/Vergil should be acting so coldly toward her. She has the power to create portals, he could literally learn some alternate portal magic from her and agree to give Nero's arm back but his ego won't let him consider de-escalating things. She has literal resurrection spells and somehow Urizen's still infinitely more interested in his Exdeath cosplay than trying to work though his issues and move forward.

Oh and Nero's mother? Never willingly appeared again. That relationship must have been great.

Vergil's perceptions of quality are askew too. I don't wanna just sit here and yell that he has bad taste because it's unimaginative and subjective and all that but Vergil's preferences warrant some kind of concerned stare if nothing else.

First, three unearned weapons. In Vergil's retellings of DMC3-4 you'll never see him pick up a new weapon. V shows us he likes music but he supposedly doesn't care about Nevan. He'll have himself dual wield Force Edge and Yamato but he'll never admit to wanting Agni and Rudra. He's so stubborn he turns down learning Royal Guard in favor of a style that only gives him access to one of Trickster's moves. For a man who goes on about gaining power you'd think he'd broaden his arsenal a little. It's most likely he has some warped ideas about these three weapons being things he definitively earned himself. Well Sparda gave him Yamato, Beowulf was gained through a killsteal after Dante did all the heavy lifting and how did he earn Force Edge? It literally fell out of the sky near where he was. He'd lost possession of it within minutes to boot. Incredible how this liar will take the smallest shred of truth and completely bend it out of shape in the name of his image.

This is like another jab at Urizen's social circle. As you know Vergil didn't need to play DMC3 because he was there. He lived it. Vergil more than most people should know which boss fights were good and which ones sucked in that game. Which ones does he bring back for DMC5? Angry ice covered wall Cerberus and literal Geryon. How are these his favorite bosses from that game, what sort of psychotic contrarian holds this opinion and a straight face at the same time? Why stop there, why not bring The Fallen and those shield knights you can only attack from one side back?

You know what boss Vergil also bought back? Himself. Sounds good but no. He didn't bring his DMC3 self back. It's time.
DMC5 FINAL BOSS GRIEVANCES.
-Vergil spends the entire game itching for a vicious fight to the bitter end with Dante, when the fight starts one of Vergil's common opening moves is to walk slowly to the side and fires a single summoned sword at a time.
-Vergil does not attempt to dodge when these summoned swords are reflected.
-Vergil will helplessly suspend himself in midair more often than not after a rapid slash.
-DMC5 Rapid slash was already slow and unthreatening, he didn't need to keep himself in the same spot by jumping in the air.
-Vergil is just as likely to teleport away from you as he is to teleport near you. In DMC3 Vergil would warp right up to you.
-Does Vergil even heal while in DT in 5? Apparently yes. Sure does in 3. You see in 3 Judgement Cut makes a distinct "MMMM" sound, like he's enjoying a meal. I theorize that when he performs Judgement Cut End, vanishes from the arena and begins healing, Vergil has teleported to his dining establishment of choice and is replenishing health by eating lotsa spaghetti.
-Vergil's plane impression. As you know, Nero's DDT will instantly destroy this move and de-power Vergil. It gets worse. Nero is incredibly strong. Dante is weary after hours of playing the same two city/forest levels all day and fighting Vergil's Toon World Yugioh deck near the end. Despite this one Royal Release from Dante who is significantly weaker than Nero will also completely obliterate Vergil's plane move and his devil trigger.
-Summoned swords. Tired Dante's summoned swords effortlessly destroy Vergil's. Actually in this game anything will destroy summoned sword in one hit. Wasn't like this in 3. In fact in 1 and 3 they only showed up on DMD difficulty because they unconditionally meant business.
-Forgot his lucky space rock. He's wearing black in this game. He used to wear blue. He either forgot to take out of his other coat's pocket or maybe he abandoned it like it does to everyone else. Doesn't matter that much. In this game Dante and Nero can effortlessly launch Vergil flying. Helplessly suspended in the air. If they hit him hard enough he'll end up in space and he'll be able to get another one.
-Vergil's ghost timeclone thing is treated like something worthy of the final stretch of the final battle. It's not. Dante's DSD destroys it, Nero one shot's it with buster. Nero hits Vergil with it.
-Vergil will try to taunt back if taunted. I have never seen a player respond as if Vergil successfully derided them in any way. I'd repeat that it's a free opening where Vergil will open himself up but there's a lot of downtime in this one. Vergil is slow and not aggressive at all.
-At the end of Dante's fight the game takes control away and lets Vergil freely hit Dante without an opportunity for the player to retaliate. That's pretty low.
-Judgement cut is now one big slow overly telegraphed single hit.
-At the end of Nero's fight the game goes into a cutscene and lets Vergil freely throw a book at Nero without an opportunity for the player to retaliate. Unsporting.
-Vergil made helm breaker really slow and unthreatening. It wasn't hitting when it was 5 faster ones in a row, why would this work?
-There are times Vergil will attempt to shield himself, a few consecutive hits will break through it and completely open him up. I don't think think DMC3 Vergil would stand around with a shield up, letting his stamina meter get drained like it's Dark Souls.
-In Nero's fight, the game is literally giving tutorials on how to knock the stuffing out of its final boss and propping the player up with regenerating DT. It even plays Nero's theme song.
-If you play Bloody Palace, even V can beat this guy up. It may not be a canon event but it is the canon player V vs the canon boss Vergil and in the fight, V is shown to be more than capable of holding his own. That's right, the guy who comprises the 50% of Vergil that cares more about perfecting his My Chemical Romance lip syncing than he cares about anything to do with combat can beat his completed self. Is Vergil weaker somehow than V? Possibly.
-You can clash weapons with this guy like crazy, it opens him up too. Just flail and he'll find a way to break his wrist trying to guard.
-It's been years, over a decade and Vergil has still made no effort to circumvent Royal Guard. This tells me he made no effort to strategize ahead of time.
-Vergil's stinger now flashes, is slower and has a telegraph. That thing was a legitimate jumpscare in DMC3.
-Watch out for them meteors, Vergil.

Almost makes you miss Red Vergil.

Something weird about Vergil is how he doesn't try very hard to conceal his fear of Nero. Vergil is usually pretty happy to talk himself up and try to cross whatever bridges he comes to. With Nero you don't see much of this.

Look at his retellings of the other games. He claims to beat Dante twice in DMC4, twice again in DMC5, claims to beat Doppelganger which is a shadow version of Dante and you gotta wonder if his OC Red Vergil was at least partially inspired by Dante. These are mere defeats.
In DMC5 when he fights Cavaliere Angelo and Artemis, there's no rescue cutscene to bail Lady or Trish out, Vergil's has no issue claiming he could kill them just like that.

Nero though? There's no depiction at all of Vergil defeating or even initiating a fight with Nero. In the actual story of DMC5 Nero is the one who coaxes Vergil into fighting him. Vergil - no doubt with his decision making impaired by all the meteors that just fell on top of him - mumbles something about how beating Nero secretly counts as beating Dante and proceeds to charge Nero.

Vergil jumps through some hoops to ignore Nero. His retelling of his time in Fortuna avoids the issue. His DMC4 story is so transparently fake that you have to wonder if whatever really took place sits alongside his time as Nelo Angelo as something he's desperately trying to forget.
Speaking of Nelo Angelo, that's a name. Nero is an Italian word meaning black, Angelo means angel, you put those two words together you'd get two words put together. Not what happened. Instead Vergil is inexplicably named Nelo Angelo and you know it's canon because Griffon in 5 acknowledges the L in his name. Did Vergil change his alias to contain a made up word because he was aware of Nero's existence, ashamed of whatever happened in Fortuna and desperately wanted to avoid association with both.

Another possible cover. Vergil used to wear a blue coat but now wears black. Perhaps this was a ploy. This way, when people used the word or name Nero around him he would be able to feign confusion and pretend they were complimenting his fancy new coat.

Finally in the boss fight, you know what happens. You're 25% into his health bar, maybe you've buster grabbed him once. Regardless Nero will say "Feeling accepting yet?" and Vergil will say "Of your existence? Or your strength?" which tells you first that Nero even existing is something Vergil dreads. Vergil treats Nero like he who must not be named, unless it's around Dante who was never going to fall for any of Vergil's ruses or schemes. Vergil is absolutely terrified of Nero.
The second part of Vergil's line is Vergil's facade shattering. He concedes, 25% into the fight that Nero is strong, formidable and most likely going to defeat him. This signals that the other 75% of the fight will be fought against a dejected Vergil who has already given up. Vergil is taking a poignant moment to reflect on the events that lead up to his world beginning to grow dim at the top of a tree with two Overture bombs tied to him that he for some reason hasn't tried to remove, with a little flying robot fist repeatedly punching him in the jaw, intermittently being pelted with exploding bullets all while his son keeps saying "Ridin' high! Let's get airborne!" and barely registering his attacks as a threat. "Why is the song called Silver Bullet I'm not a werewolf..." Vergil might wonder as his motivation leaves him once and for all.

V kinda reminds me of the guy from The Quiet Man, maybe Vergil likes that game.

The DMC universe is just lucky you don't fight X-Factor Level 3 5 Super Bars Vergil.

Lagfile posted...

The DMC universe is just lucky you don't fight X-Factor Level 3 5 Super Bars Vergil.

Incorrect. They would get by just fine.
You are probably thinking about times you saw Vergil, the girl he futilely tries to impress Morrigan and the local tough guy Dr Footdive absolutely destroy some hapless trio and wondering why I would say this.
Well here's the thing, Morrigan typically spends the most time in harm's way, navigating the most precarious situations. Dr Doom basically invented winning and holds the team together with his missiles, his molecular shields, plasma beams, finger lasers and the best dive kick in the world. Vergil only waits in the back until he's absolutely needed and then hopes desperately that X Factor will carry him. Without Morrigan and Doom to play the game for him, Vergil would most likely end up stuck in Rocket Raccoon's net trap with a Servbot mask stuck over his head and Haggar's pipe wrapped around his torso.

What is X Factor though? X Factor appears to be a speed and power boost. It's a devil trigger on top of a devil trigger. Vergil already tried that, he had SDT and it didn't work out for him at all.
You know speed boosts or rather the perception of being faster is something that crops up from time to time with Vergil.
First you've got him relying on X Factor in UMVC3. From his perception everyone else is probably moving in slow motion. This could be like a time slow power from his perspective.
Then in DMC5 you have Urizen using time slow orbs as an attack. And he even brings back Geryon to help him do the same. DMC5 Vergil also gives himself a move where he slashes air and slows down time. He gives himself the ability to spam this.

On a grander scale, DMC5 is basically Vergil: The Game. They write V instead of a 5 a lot, there's 3 Vergils running around this thing, he instigates the events. You know what else though? The game has bad load times and it launched with DRM that could affect performance. More time slow abilities helping prevent people from reaching the end of his game and defeating him.
This game gives Vergil x factor on top of time slow power on top of devil trigger on top of super devil trigger on top of billing as two playable characters, the main villain and the final boss all at once and he still can't stick the landing.

It's apparent that Vergil is pretty much a common lag switcher. That would indeed explain how a de-powered, feeble Vergil was able to take Nero's arm so quickly, it'd explain how he's able to bend time, logic and space to get the last hit on Dante. Another new low, even some of the feats you see him perform with your own eyes are illegitimate.

And 5 bars would have meant something back when the summoned swords were a threat and the DT healed a lot. Now the only 5 bars he's thinking about are candy bars on the shopping list Nero sends him to the store with.

I am somewhat not a fan of a like/dislike system in social platforms, but if I could in here, I would give the comment above me a like.

That comment made me feel motivated.

Here's something nobody is willing to bring up.
As you know Vergil's retelling of DMC4 is completely ludicrous in every regard. Nothing makes sense and somehow he manages to commit to vehemently to his action packed rampage story that it becomes boring. I think there's a reason DMC4 Vergil's visit to Fortuna gets the furthest deviation from the truth.

First look at Nero's devil trigger. It's got giant wing claw things. Punching isn't something you'd typically associate with an avian creature so I'm more convinced they are claws than talons. It's also what they use for the game's logo, a giant V. Vergil's watermark which he embarrassingly decided to tack on to his son's devil trigger in a shallow attempt to insert himself into the spotlight. A spotlight he was already in for pretty much the full duration of the game.
Dante and Vergil's DTs are strange borderline lovecraftian demon humanoids. Nero's looks a bit like Nelo Angelo in terms of color scheme, but what matters here is that when all three of them revert from devil trigger, it all subsides. Not for Nero. When Nero reverts to his regular form, the giant claw wing things are still present. Why?
We can identify which aspects came from Vergil, but there's something else in there.

Look at V's talking animals. You have a blue talking bird that shoots blasts and melees people. You have a panther that is comparatively treated with far less importance. That's right. These OCs of his are unimaginative imitations of Falco Lombardi and Panther Caruso from the Star Fox series. Falco is the protagonist so hid imitation gets to talk and his presence in Super Smash Bros Melee allows Griffon in Vergil's mind to melee enemies and juggle them. Panther was a lesser character added in Star Fox Assault which of course gives Vergil less to work with.
Interesting how he's dead set on keeping Beowulf around huh? He could have pretended to somehow acquire Ifrit, he could have upgraded to Gilgamesh in 4 but no, there's just something about a link between his limb apparel and the word wolf that makes it all click for him.

You see the picture coming together.
In his DMC4 opening cutscene, a woman in red stops and takes note of him. That's all you'll really hear about her. Was she real? Did he make her up as a cover story? Is his idea of a cover story a single sentence saying "Oh yeah there was this red dress woman yeah she was real." or could he just not think of a single other detail?
The final boss theme is more about Nero than Vergil and it's called Silver Bullet, so while it's too late to redeem Vergil, we are afforded a single bleak opportunity to mitigate some of his shame.
You know things have become dire when the best case scenario is now to try and argue that Nero's mother was a werewolf, because as the other points have come together and conclusively determined, Vergil is a furry.
On one hand you could suggest Nero's mother hid her condition from Vergil. On the other, showing affection of any kind is such a deviation of character for Vergil that there's just no way he didn't know.

You have to wonder if Mundus was concerned about Vergil and was actually trying to help him by giving him fancy armor and a sense of duty.

"Well what about Nightmare he's totally different there's no way he-" Inconsequential.
Nightmare is also telling of Vergil's subconscious aspirations and regrets.
First of all Nightmare's name contains the word mare which is associated with horses, Vergil as Urizen himself deliberately forgave Geryon - a horse - for being such a meh boss fight and let it return in DMC5. Vergil imitates Geryon's time slow ability at every opportunity. Not helping his case.

Now the design. You think of DMC1 Nightmare and you think of a big oddly shaped tank merged with the Venom symbiote. Not what happens in DMC5, instead it's a bipedal golem that focuses on bludgeoning things and shooting beams out of its eye. Sounds like Vergil's exercised some creativity at long last considering he didn't just paint the original design red right? Nope.
If you'll play Devil May Cry 2, you'll encounter a lot of golem enemies with the same design as DMC5 Nightmare. They were fairly sturdy, they were dark colors, they were slow moving. It's basically 1:1.

But why would Vergil style his trump card after something from DMC2 you ask? This really isn't hard to figure out. What does Vergil want? Power. What do you get in DMC2? Overwhelming power. Press the gun button, you will win. Devil trigger and shoot, it's over. Use Majin Devil Trigger, might as well unplug the enemy's controller and give him a headstart on his path to wherever he goes to mope and rethink his life.

Nightmare is the embodiment of DMC2, a game that's all about prioritising building meter then shooting things that can't fight back. Nightmare's slow, he's invincible, he shoots beams. When you summon Nightmare, the thing to do is get on his shoulder, initiate the giant laser move and de-activate devil trigger so the beam still fires but you don't deplete meter. This was the core of my V gameplay on all difficulties about half a week after DMC5 came out because it really is the thing to do. As with DMC2's melee options, letting Nightmare melee things is an option but who cares? It's all about the ranged attack.

There's more. Nightmare isn't just a DMC2 enemy sporting DMC2 Dante's playstyle.
-He emerges out of the ground or out of walls just like Nefasturris. You know what Nefasturris did after his health was depleted unlike Nightmare though? Got up and at least tried a second form.
-His build is also similar to Oranguerra. Except Oranguerra could jump.
-Just like how Phantom re-appeared in DMC2, Nightmare is following suit and reappearing in a later game.
-DMC5 Nightmare is a mix of previous enemy designs. You know who else was? Argosax The Chaos. Except Argosax on DMD actually lived up to the chaos part of the name while Nightmare in his DMC5 boss fight had no nightmarish qualities, was filling in for Vergil, catching meteors with his face while Vergil was hiding at the top of a tree.
-Nightmare is a demon tank and Infested tank was an improved version of the original Nightmare. Better than the DMC5 version too.
-Nightmare challenges you in mission 18 as a boss fight alongside his two critter friends, sounds like a Bolverk imitation to me.
-Nightmare and the other two Happy Tree Friends rejects are described as Vergil's trauma physically manifesting. Well DMC2's final boss is called Despair Embodied. What a coincidence.

There is nothing Vergil envies more than Devil May Cry 2. See it's hard for him to re-write DMC1 because he was in it and it's traumatic for him to think about. 3, 4 and 5 though? He's confident he can bend facts to suit him, he's not fooling anyone but he tries.
DMC2 though? He can't get a foot in the door, he can't try to tell a story about how he was the one to effortlessly walk through everyone and cause Arius to mentally fall apart from mere exposure to his magnificence without breaking down and cursing his every waking moment.
Everyone knows what happened in DMC2, everyone knows Vergil wasn't there because it was specifically Dante's victory lap after defeating Mundus, Vergil and Vergil's Route 1 Pokemon team that he struggles to beat the first gym with. Well, provided they even liked him before he re-imagined them as Funko Pop versions. DMC2 is a joy forever lost to Vergil and he will never get over it.

Summoning Nightmare and watching dejected from a distance is the closest Vergil can ever truly come to emulating the time Dante had power, the time Dante protected who or whatever he wanted easily and did it all without needing to express an ounce of motivation.

You know why Vergil never calls himself a king? Ask Arius how that went for him. Or ask Vergil, he clearly knows exactly where it'll get him.

In memory of what could have been, the fully realised Non-Weak Vergil we never got to see manifest, we must review the long lost positives and squandered potential he once had. To further put his shortcomings into perspective.

We have to solemnly look back on the Devil May Cry 3 final boss fight on DMD.
-Screaming Souls: Cast off your pride and embrace your fate it says at the start. The opposite of what Vergil would go on to do.
-The setting appears to be a location similar to the pale stone, almost heaven-like areas at the start of mission 18. Near the end of mission 19 you see this area in a more tempestuous state. By mission 20 the sky's gone dark and the giant searing void in the background serves as Dante and Vergil's only remaining witness. There's a shallow river running through the middle and rivers are great at dividing things in two. The game names every location and this one is called Unsacred Hellgate which is an eyebrow raiser but it was oddly memorable. This stupid, over the top, mean-spirited and gratuitously stylish things Dante and Vergil have perpetrated against each other over the 17 years this game has been out make this place stand out like few others. Where do you fight Vergil in DMC5? The same generic tree you've been climbing for half the game. And they use the same location twice in a row. Even more if you wanna point out that Griffon/Nightmare/Shadow's fights are all in pretty much identical places.
-The song. Vergil Battle 3 is the one. This isn't Vergil telling recounting his tale while you button mash your way to a triple S, this one is for the gameplay. There's part for the cutscene. There's the start of the song which is a high note and then goes all frantic, it's the neutral, your scramble to get the fight under control fast. There's the part where it turns into the Jaws theme, this really goes with Vergil piling it on, DT active, sword belt equipped, threatening to do Judgement Cut End yet again. There's your eye of the hurricane moment, the bit with the chorus, every now and then Vergil will finish a Judgement Cut End and just stand there while the quiet chorus is playing, it's hard not to notice the sudden moment of levity you've been afforded. The last stretch of the song feels like your final climactic push against Vergil's super armor, moments of invulnerability and HP regen. It's the best.
-The moveset they gave Vergil in this one. If Vergil's feeling nice he will give you an easily deflected Round Trip or exploitable Judgement Cut which is like the best case scenario here. If he's not, Vergil will warp to you and now it's time to react. The Vergil combo. Slash, slash, launcher, helm-breaker, stinger. I know you can see and hear it as I recite it. Slash, slash, heavier slash, another heavier slash. CUTOFF BLAST BEGONE. The dreaded surprise stinger. The only good rapid slash in any DMC game, the one where he goes SCUM or DIE as he does it. After rapid slash Vergil will be extra quick to parry your attacks and instantly transition into another attack, a far cry from DMC5.
-The DMC3 summoned swords. In this game these only come out on DMD difficulty, he saved them until it mattered. He is invulnerable while summoning them, this doubles are your brief window to sound the alarm because Vergil has equipped his big laser sword belt. If you don't get rid of them fast, he might warp right next to you with it on, there's a chance you'll have all 6 consecutively firing at you from above and below as you try to dodge tracking helm breaker spam. In 5 one tap of anything will break or reflect them. Not today, Zurg. Lots of people either fully commit to Quicksilver, bring Kalina Ann or learn the Jam Session timing just to mitigate this.
-The escalation of this guy's moveset. He busts out the super Devil Trigger, now he's unlocked his real moveset and DT or no DT he keeps it for the rest of the fight. 5 Judgement Cuts in a row is no longer enough, you get a stinger on the end. You get 5 helm breakers in a row, you can dodge them sure but if he's in DT that's free healing time and it keeps him moving around. You get the DMC3 Judgement Cut End, the MMmMMmMMmMMmMMM itself. What does he do in 5? A one time plane impression, misses with rapid slash then tries the move over a few times like he'll save face and summons a clone, simultaneously imitating Dante and the reboot.
-Before style switchers you had to commit to something, after playing DMC4 and coming back every Vergil fight is like a restricted challenge run. There's the Gunslinger/Nevan/Artemis one where you try barraging him with projectiles. There's the shirtless Dante, Cerberus and Royal Guard only thing like it's an old kung fu movie. There's the one everyone knows where you keep dive kicking him. There's the endless play session, the one where you're just there to play the fight because the weirdly meditative state you can achieve through it is so satisfying, the fight you giddily waste your day away repeating with slight differences each time until the sun abandons you to the late hours, disgusted at how you shun it, only to come crawling back next morning to find that you are nothing if not unyielding in your yearning to repeatedly say "Cuhrayzee!" while standing near a mentally exhausted Vergil.
-Vergil has his lucky space rock with him. The only time this Vergil will be in the air is if he is in the process of breaking a helm.
-Vergil will sometimes cut himself off, he will attempt to say "This may be fun" but end up going "Th-Don't get so cocky." Possibly him showing awareness that he says the same things repeatedly and attempting to say something different instead.
-It's easy to mock Vergil for losing Force Edge almost as soon as he got it, but in this fight as soon as he got it, he'd also worked it into his moveset. DMC3 is the first in the chronology so considering Dante was using Drive and Sword Pierce and unless Sparda was using it, Vergil might be the first person (Or at least the first person in centuries) to use the Round Trip move.
-Vergil had every right to expect to win. He defeated Dante in their first fight. Arkham and Lady broke up their second encounter. Dante did all the heavy lifting in their 2v1 against Arkham in mission 19 and should have been tired. Vergil still put the effort in to win instead of assuming it would be easy.
-Accepting of defeat. There was no "Ooh I'll pick a fight I can't possibly win with Nero and try to pretend I beat Dante that way.", no "I won't lose next time", no throwing books. He recognised the defeat for what it was and told Dante to go back to his world while he could.

It's a shame we never got to see this Vergil again.
It's an even bigger shame that even though he was always saying "You will not forget this devil's power", he himself did exactly that.

One thing DMC5 does is show us what would have happened if Vergil wasn't determined to cling to a shred of glory that faded almost two decades ago.
On the main menu after beating the game there's shots of all the characters in Nico's van doing who knows what. These take place in an alternate universe where Vergil isn't stuck in the demon realm having a never ending, go-nowhere slap fight with Dante.

It's got a shot of Vergil sitting with Nero while Nero examines one of his robot arms. Vergil has his head in his hand and occasionally looks like he want to try and say something, but he can't think of anything to say. He is stewing in the shame of being the literal DMC5 tutorial boss. It's in the last mission sure but it's still a simplistic fight the player's already beaten in mission 19 with a tutorial that guides the player to an even easier victory.
Vergil is obviously also afraid to say the wrong thing. He has no experience with small talk and he's probably already said the wrong thing multiple times.
Another thing about this shot is Kyrie might be in it. Kyrie is invisible in DMC5 and I really don't know why. The scene might depict Nero showing Kyrie a robot arm and Vergil trying to say something isn't a threat or insult that'll get him buster grabbed.

There's a shot of Dante trying to read and every few seconds Vergil does something to get his attention. Vergil is most likely making weird annoying noises. Dante is not laughing in this shot, he has a stern look of what is wrong with you? before going back to his magazine which probably isn't even interesting but is still far more enticing than the prospect of interacting with post-game DMC5 Vergil.

What's probably happening in this timeline is out of pity for Vergil, the rest of the cast have welcomed him into their team and have tried to find him a purpose. They don't need another fighter since Dante, Vergil, Nero and Trish all specialise in a different aspect of that. Nico handles driving place to place and developing new weaponry for them. The role Vergil is best suited for would be the team's internet tough guy. An old curmudgeon like him with a history of being standoffish and condescending, he'll nail this. While the other character formulate and execute plans to defeat demon hordes, Vergil will survey social media and aggressively engage anyone speaking ill of the team's efforts. He could also devil trigger to type faster and maybe open the post with (DEVIL TRIGGER ACTIVE) so they know they're on the backfoot right away.

This Vergil probably isn't allowed to stray too far from the van. He was isolated on Mallet Island as Nelo Angelo for way too long. Future shock and all that.

I have a small gripe with Urizen's name. Why is he named Urizen? I saw V turn the words Your Reason into Urizen but that's not enough and also I'm guessing nobody told Urizen himself or asked him what he wanted to be called.
If V is named V doesn't that mean Urizen should have gotten the rest of the name? Shouldn't he be named Ergil?
I'm not saying that would have been good, in fact he would have been all but telling on himself.

Here's the thing about that, that's way too close to Egil like in Xenoblade Chronicles. Urizen is already guilty of attempting to make Faced Mechon minions of Trish and Lady which doesn't help. If you read Gilgamesh's lore they tell you that the demon itself isn't a naturally occurring creature named Gilgamesh, but rather Gilgamesh is the name of the demonic metal substances either brought to life or merged with something else. It sounds like he was simultaneously trying to improve his Faced Mechon creation skills and trying to build himself a knock-off Mechonis.

Here's the other thing, that big tree? I watched Xeno 2 on Youtube and I already saw the world tree so I am extra unimpressed. I watched it last year which was after I played DMC5 but I can still be retroactively unimpressed. That game also has 2 lame characters fusing to make a lame character at the end like how this game has 2 lame Vergils fusing to make a lame Vergil at the end.
I'm not saying they're the same thing because Vergil is way lamer and more inept you see Rex and Mythra and Red Mythra they do pretty well in their adventure but Vergil screws up three times over. Big difference.

One of the biggest mysteries in DMC is coatless Vergil. In DMC3 there's a version of Vergil without a coat. That's all. No role as the final boss in Vergil's retelling, no Nelo Angelo DT.

This might be an OC Vergil made up (Frontrunner for absolute bottom of the barrel creativity wise) or he might exist simply so Vergil can alter his story to explain how he lost his blue coat.
It's never made clear exactly what happened because when you play the game you get to freely pick between all his costumes. For example you could have Vergil wear his coat for the first handful of missions, lose it after fighting Agni&Rudra and be coatless for a while, then either inexplicably find it after defeating Red Vergil a second time, only to again lose it before Mission 18 and then find it again by the end.

The vagueness isn't helping and alongside how reined in the story is compared to DMC4 and 5, it makes it seem plausible Vergil has reworked the events of DMC3 to tell the story of how he lost his blue coat and the lucky space rock he kept in the pocket rather than this simply being another one of Vergil's lame dark side/super form OCs.
Dante and Vergil's goals are mirrored as are their personalities but also is their ownership of a coat. Dante starts the game without a coat on but he puts one on after the first mission. Vergil has a coat on all game, even the ending scene where he's about to fight Mundus (Even though that contradicts any stories Vergil could tell about losing it during the events of the game) but by DMC5 he's lost it.

It's possible that in Vergil's fight with Mundus, Mundus picked him up by the coat and sung him around and gave him the ol so long "king" Vergil. Perhaps Mundus grabbed Vergil's collar and pulled it down so it was preventing him from using his arms and then punched him in the stomach. Maybe Mundus set Vergil's coat on fire with a blowtorch and landed some good hits while Vergil was shrieking and scrambling to take it off.
Regardless, it had to be something Vergil's ashamed of because he tries very hard not to simply explain why he swapped his coat out for a different one.

You know what's plausible? You ever seen what V's wearing? It's a black coat thing. After V and Urizen fuse back together Vergil is wearing one too. It's most likely that any story Vergil will tell you about the misplacing of his classic blue coat and the procurement of his new black one is just an elaborate way for Vergil to avoid confessing that he cannot wait to go home and start tapdancing while re-watching Twilight. He is more MCR fan than man or demon at this point. If dressing kinda similarly to V is as close as he can get to being a version of V that won't disintegrate from pure weakness, Vergil will settle for that.

Vergil imitating V's look is a shameful state of affairs, but Urizen was apparently outright incapable of even dressing himself, so let's call Vergil's new costume - regardless or reasons or meaning behind it - the lesser of two evils.

CONCLUSIVE VERGIL TIER LIST:
(Except Project X Zone and other games where he's just there as a cameo or whatever.)

S TIER: There are no Vergils in the S tier. If you really want to specify that the S stands for SUCKS or SERIOUSLY UNCOOL or SHAMEFUL and fill it with Vergils then sure, go ahead.

A TIER:
DMC3 Vergil: The real deal. The Vergil. Vergil is young enough for his pettiness and poor character to be attributed to factors beyond his control. He can fight, he has his coat and his lucky space rock. He's got the 3 fight themes and they're all pretty solid. For a long time we had a glowing recollection of him, as Nelo Angelo was hardly a fair comparison. Things did change but I'm gonna let the good times weigh heavily on his position.

B TIER:
DMC1 Nelo Angelo: He's not much of a character and even less of a talker but he's a big deal in the chronology of Vergil. A lot of the lame or dumb things he does could be attributed to Mundus controlling him as well as him being driven insane by having to interact with big talking birds and spiders.
Nelo's got the Ultra Violet theme which is pretty great. He looks pretty cool and he can freely warp around without having to lock on to something which you'd think Vergil would want to keep. Nelo mostly earns but spot through things he didn't do which is a concerning omen but he can still be happy with that.

UMVC3 Vergil: This Vergil is being afforded leniency due to his similarities to DMC3 Vergil. But what's different? No honor. He will never challenge any opponent in UMVC3 to a 1 vs 1 fight. Only 3 vs 3 messes where he can take advantage of the distracted. A lot of the time Vergil will be reliant on X Factor, hiding in the back while some combo of Dante, Morrigan, Dr Doom, Dormammu, Zero, Nova, Magneto, Phoenix or even more handle the heavy lifting for him. Vergil only bought one theme to this game, a rendition of Vergil battle 2 from DMC3. Vergil's mental state is probably experiencing some negative effects in this game. On one hand he is able to defeat Dormammu and Shuma Gorath, but he likely already believed he could do that. On the other hand Vergil can be brutalised by Raccoons, regular guys with guns, martial arts enthusiasts and a lawyer. This would be ego destroying for him and explains why he has agreed to forego his code in favor of chaotic 3 vs 3 combat.

C TIER:
DMC5 Urizen: C isn't necessarily a bad thing which means I do have good things to say about Urizen. Let's start with the bad, he's apparently so out of it that you can kill him in the prologue chapter without him thinking to even stand up and fight back. I didn't get into any of his theme songs, he barely has any memorable lines, he's easy to beat and so on.
The good though, where would we be without this guy? Still waiting for a new DMC game probably. I mean think, what if Vergil had split himself into TWO violin mimes instead of just the one and Urizen? Urizen got the ball rolling and got us our next adventure.
There's also a little thing that I enjoy. Sometimes in the second fight with him, you'll break his Yamato shield and deplete 95% of his health. Absolutely catastrophic for him right? Well his response to this is to put up the same Yamato shield he's already seen you destroy and confidently say "WHAT A FUTILE ATTEMPT." You might lump that in with the rest of the Vergil quotes where he's talking himself up, but for me that's a brief moment where the arrogance becomes so excessive it becomes endearing.

D TIER:
DMC4 Vergil: Nelo is a shadow of his former self, V and Urizen are halves of someone. This guy isn't even real. The story Vergil recounts about his time in Fortuna is completely implausible. The moves he gives himself are unconvincing boasts. He could have had Let's Just See as a song which would have been great but that didn't happen in the gameplay. On some warped level we could call DMC4 Vergil a manifestation of Vergil trying to be optimistic and put his shame behind him. It's hard to judge a fictional character designed to cover up whatever embarrassing events took place in Fortuna alongside a list of actual characters. Can't spell unfortunate without Fortuna. He's going in the middle, like a shrug on a body language spectrum.

DMC5 V: It was pretty funny though, wasn't it? The way they did this to Vergil? How they gave him a bunch of talking animals? Made him whip out the book to a random page and obnoxiously read passages without giving his listeners proper context? The dancing and the air violin, the twirling and who could forget his 'taunt' where he has a coughing fit. The time he cowered from a boss, the only forced slow walking segment in the game. A level where they take his petting zoo away and make him extra weak. Eventually turning into DMC5 Vergil. It was harsh but it was funny.

E TIER:
DMC5 Vergil: Here he is. What happened to him? In short, have you seen the Mindy Simmons episode of the Simpsons? Remember that part where Bart goes to a series of doctors and they give him glasses and big shoes and change his voice? That's what they did to Vergil except it was permanent.
Most of the game, his two halves are working independently for the common goal of making Vergil look bad. He appears in person for the last 30 minutes and does a legendary job at damaging his own image through both cutscenes and combat. DMC5 Vergil has a few songs, I don't really go for any of them, Silver Bullet's okay but that's more like a Nero song. Stains Of Time could have been a good song for him.
This is the post Nelo Angelo Vergil. The one recounting DMC3, DMC4 and DMC5's Vergil modes as if they were his own action packed adventures devoid of any sense or proof they really happened. This is the liar. Vergil achieves no success in this game and because DmC Vergil eventually helped bring down Mundus, DMC5 Vergil was on the absolute precipice of being placed beneath his reboot self.
Oh also, being traumatized causes magic talking animals to appear around this guy so after the ego annihilation he received at the end of DMC5 I hope there's some kind of zoo or animal shelter nearby that can lend Dante and Nero a hand because they're gonna be busy.
"I won't lose next time." I suppose that could be true. I mean what does he have left to lose?

DmC Vergil: Or Vorgl or El Vergil or whatever. I'm not fluent in Spanish nor do I read Spanish subtitles so much of this was lost on me. I was able to tell however, that this guy is quite the schemer. He was able to bring Mundus down eventually, he almost took Mundus' place as ruler and he was able to pass his detestably neutered moveset on to DMC5 Vergil. For potentially being behind everything that went wrong, DmC Vergil automatically gets a very low spot. Now like V there are times he was funny, like the time the game called him Weak Vergil or at the end of his Vergil's Downfall DLC where he and his monster friends went for a walk and since there was no DmC 2, we can only assume they got hopelessly lost or maybe like the name of the DLC suggests they all fell off a cliff or down a bottomless pit. It's not enough to counterweight the negatives though.

F TIER:
DMC Peak Of Combat Vergil: I have generously included this to cushion the landing of the two previous entries. This is a mobile game. Last time I checked it had lots of badly translated dialogue, it's full of reused assets and weightless combat. It's got a Vergil and it's got gacha mechanics. Ah well.

And that's Vergil. The embodiment of re-buying a game for another character. On the whole, he's decently cool I guess.