Board 8 > Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard Trial 2

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DAY 21

So we kick off the day with Amber's team immediately resting their case. That does not happen often, but I assume they noticed the days left and said eff it and if they had anything planned still, they didn't do it.

Which means that now, as is typical, Depp's team can do a motion to strike on Amber's counter-claim. It harms nothing to try, normally it's never granted, just like the initial motion to strike that Amber's team did to Depp's claim.

Ben Chew gave another speech, but hardly felt as impassioned. I feel like I've explained why I feel it should be dismissed, but to summarize Chew's oral argument he claimed that they didn't prove that Waldman was acting as an agent for Depp and that Heard's team couldn't name any case law to support it. He defended that the restraining order ordeal was a hoax by naming off people who didn't see any bruises so it wasn't false and therefore defamation. He did an awesome job with this honestly. Can't complain too much. Ben Chew is VERY good.

I need to say Rottenborn is actually a good lawyer too, but his case sucks. He made as good of a defense he could as possible and basically put enough doubt in to justify why the counter-claim should exist. That's all he really had to do, and he did a good job of it. He didn't really have any case law defending his position which WAS noticeable. There were a few WTF moments that aren't really worth pointing out in general (such as that all of Amber's friends corroborated her story despite them all being wildly different).

Chew gets back up and gives a really good defense again. Notable moment was "She stiffed the ACLU, which after the travesty they contributed in with this case you can't feel too bad about." ACLU burn yeeeeeah. This felt like a practice for his closing arguments honestly.

Judge upholds the counter-claim, which isn't shocking. I think this is probably the strongest case of throwing out the counter-claim that there could be, but I had a feeling she might want the jury to decide on it. I think having them decide the scope of agency is pretty nutty still, but I think the Judge has a sense for how the jury feels anyway and isn't worried. It's a high profile case, so she probably wants complete transparency and doesn't want to be fucked if it gets appeal. However, the case for the counter-claim is still really horrible and the jury wasn't buying into any of it, so it's fine.

And if the jury didn't believe it before, all of Depp's witnesses today just killed all of the supposed damages entirely. There's just nothing here for the counter-claim anymore after Johnny's rebuttal witnesses today.

So you remember when Amber said that she lost her contract for Aquaman 2 and had to fight hard to get it back and James Wan and Jason Mamoa both loved her and fought for her to come back and that her role went from a lead to a very minor role with each iteration of the script? Well, Walter Hamada, who is the president of Warner Bros.' DC movies, went ahead and testified that none of that is true and that Amber was just lying about all of it. He appeared via video deposition.

Basically, he said that it was a standard contract with an option where she would get $2 million in the next movie. He said the early development of the script was that Mera's involvement would be extremely minor from the jump and that the whole movie was built around Aquaman and Orm having a buddy comedy adventure. And he clearly stated that her compensation was not effected by anything said by Adam Waldman or the situation with Johnny Depp.

He did explain that he felt that Amber and Mamoa had no chemistry at all and they were debating not even including her at all because of it, and that they did have discussions with Mamoa where he didn't want her either. Hamada said that they made it work in the first movie and elaborated it was movie magic where they manipulated the scenes enough in post-production, but it was too much trouble. She was never released from her contract. She just had her option picked up. These came out of Elaine's questions, and even this guy seemed like he wanted to be doing anything other than listening to Elaine.

"It's like what makes a movie star a movie star? You know it when you see it, and the chemistry wasn't there."

Absolutely obliterated Amber.

Elaine brought up that once James Wan texted Amber during a test screening telling her that they loved her in that. That's the most positive thing they could drag out of this guy about Amber's role. And that's it. Anything with the Johnny situation had absolutely nothing to do with Amber's role and contract with Aquaman 2.

Elaine also had a hilarious moment where she said "How do you fabricate Aquaman?" And Hamada was just so confused and asked her to clarify. Does Elaine know that Jason Mamoa cannot actually breathe underwater?

Next was Johnny's treating physician for his hand in a remote testimony. Not the guy who did the initial surgery, but the guy who took care of him when he got back and his hand was recovering. There wasn't much here, but he said his cast would have made it impossible to grab with that hand and that he never saw any bruises on his hand or damage to his soft cast which would have been very noticeable if he were punching people with it. Rottenborn got him to say that throwing bullshit on the ground and making a mess would be possible for him to do with his soft cast on.

Next up is my favorite, Richard Marks who is the guy who testified doing a million deals in Hollywood including a little thing you may have heard of called Star Wars and he was here live. The jury loved this guy. The man came on here and in seconds just immediately said that Amber's Hollywood Expert from yesterday didn't have any experience making deals, she's slick and smooth but doesn't know anything and that her assessment of damage was built on nothing and wildly speculative.

He explained what options are in a contract. Amber had an option for Aquaman 2. WB was never obligated or beholden to a contract with her and could have just said "See ya" without violating her contract. And if they want to accept the option, it's more about give and take, like for Mamoa he had negotiated a bigger contract for his option, but he had to agree that he'd be in more movies should WB want him to be.

The rest is just a takedown of Kathryn Arnold, Amber's expert. He literally just calls her a professional expert, which I think anyone with a brain knew. She's an expert at speaking bullshit but not an expert at anything else. Anything you guys saw that she said that seemed absolutely insane, Richard Marks had you covered and spoke with complete confidence why she was full of shit. I won't discuss all of the details, mostly because it's all just educational for how Hollywood contracts work. But it's worth checking out if you want to know more about Hollywood deals because Marks is just fascinating to listen to.

Amber hated all of this and was scribbling furiously in her notebook and tearing up paper. Bizarrely, according to one of the people there, at one point Marks said it was possible for someone in a supporting role to get bigger parts in the future and he said that Amber and Elaine nearly jumped out of their chairs, sort of cheering because they thought it was a big admission. Apparently the jury collectively gave them a really weird look and then looked back to Marks. I don't think that won over the jury.

And Rottenborn Jr. actually said "It's hearsay like yesterday" and I want to evaporate from the cringe.

Poor Baby Rottenborn had no fucking chance with this cross. He tried to discredit Marks by saying he hasn't done any deals with superhero movies. But the man has done literally everything else including franchise films. He also tried to get him to admit that actors haven't gotten big roles after their breakthrough roles in a superhero movie and it was just ridiculous. I mean what are you supposed to do with a cross with this guy honestly?

So on re-direct they ask him to go over all of his big franchise deals he's done and he dead ass says he's done so many he can't remember, but that he's done some for Chris Pratt and Paul Rudd. Look out for them in streaming series too, compliments of Richard Marks!

Next is Michael Spindler, a forensic accountant from earlier in the trial here live. They immediately objected and went to the bench. They did not like this dude at all. But basically he came up and tore apart the asserted $100 million in damages and outright said there were no calculations at all and no detailed calculations were made, and he couldn't think of a way to get even close and didn't even try. They kept going up to the bench to object repeatedly. On cross, Rottenborn did a good job against him and did the best he could. But I mean, all of what he said was common sense that the jury was probably already thinking. He did as good as he could have to try to discredit this witness, but they were so narrow where he said "Have you ever calculated damages for an actress in a female superhero role in court before?" Wayne asked one question on redirect but the stream was muted. lol whoops.

Next up is Mr. Q Score himself, Doug Banya (sp?) who did the weird Q Score stuff earlier in the trial. The man redeemed himself so much and said that Amber's prodigy Hashtag Guy and Kathryn Arnold are so completely full of shit and nothing supports any allegations that the Waldman tweets had anything to do with Amber's shitty career.

He took the timing of the Tweets and analyzed how many were negative and how many of them even referred to anything Waldman said in the article. He did an amazing job. I'll include a chart he used to show just how badly Amber's argument looked while actually looking at the data legitimately. If you look at the chart, you can understand his argument. The man seemed legitimately offended at how badly they butchered data analysis. But basically he took every spike of Hashtags and found what was being discussed about Amber during that time, and the Waldman statements were during a decline in hashtags.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/9/7/AATFBfAADRCF.jpg

He also found that exactly 0.06% of tweets with those hashtags included "Abuse Hoax" "Sexual Violence Hoax" and "Fake Sexual Violence" with another handy chart to show it off.

And then he compared the Q SCORES of the other celebrities that were used as comparable. Holy shit Amber is fucking trash at the time Aquaman came out. lol She also compared the social media followers of Amber to everyone else. Needless to say, she did not match up to Gal Gadot, Jason Mamoa, or Zendaya. I'll show the Q Score comparison because it's completely brutal too. Just eviscerating any argument these actors can be compared to Heard.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/9/8/AATFBfAADRCG.jpg

On cross Baby Rottenborn tried to discredit him. He did alright in some points, but this guy was pretty iron clad. He asked him a bunch of irrelevant questions as well and he just maintained that wasn't part of his research.

"I still don't even know what Waldminion means. It wasn't expalained in any of Mr. Schnell's research." lol

This was so ineffectual they didn't even re-direct.

Next up is a more interesting situation with Mr. Night, who owned the trailer palace that Amber and everyone got high in where Johnny supposedly threatened to break a girl's arm and trashed a trailer. They had to voir dire him because he was brought on for rebuttal, and they didn't know they would call him beforehand. Problem is this is a global trial, so he definitely saw something. He said he saw a clip of someone testifying that Johnny threatened to break someone's arm, he commented on someone's Twitter saying that wasn't how it happened because he was there and if anything Amber was the jealous one. But one of his former work partners reached out to Johnny's team, then they reached out to him and gave them his number, and he didn't watch any more of the trial because they said they might call him in as a witness.

Fucking Elaine I swear to god it's her turn for questions and she's just so bad at this. She tried to drill him about what he knew, what he saw, but he was just chill about it all while she was so aggro. He said he couldn't even remember who it was in the clip that said Johnny grabbed that woman.

"Do you recall if you replied to The Umbrella Man?" He laughs and says he doesn't know.

So let me go down a rabbit hole with you all so you can understand why this is so wild. Amber Heard's team, Eve Bartlow, and Amber Heard herself hate a few separate people who have been detailing all of the lies Amber has told leading up to this trial. Adam Waldman also spoke to them. They have done wild things like shit talk them on Twitter, trying to mess with their Youtube channels, among other things. ThatUmbrellaGuy was one of them, brought up during the Waldman depo as someone Waldman spoke to.

These people HAAAATE ThatUmbrellaGuy and a few others who have been constantly posting about Amber Heard leading up to this case. For those that don't know, ThatUmbrellaGuy is your typical outrage commentator grifter who complains about woke comic books. As far as those types go, he seems to be the most tolerable of them I guess? But it's still pretty much a grift. Make a couple outrage videos a day, profit, etc. Like as far as these types go, he's probably the least offensive of the ones I've seen. I dunno. YMMV. I don't know too much about him if he's been involved in dumb drama I'm not aware of. Share your ThatUmbrellaGuy stories in this topic I guess.

Anyway, Elaine cannot stop fucking up any and every name. She screwed up hard with the amica cream and now she can't even get ThatUmbrellaGuy's name right. She's also mixed up other names through the trial too.

But this guy just seemed like a down to Earth dude who just came here to speak the truth about what happened when asked. Anyway, the Judge said he could testify and we're on for a very interesting suprise witness!

Basically, he testified that Johnny was really social and friendly to everyone at first. He was even hanging out with himself and the other innskeeper. He described Amber as being annoyed Johnny wasn't spending more time with him. Johnny was talking to Night and then Amber said she needed to talk to him, and then she started screaming at him and he said it was triggering because he was in an emotionally abusive relationship before. That last bit was objected to because you can't suggest she's an abuser when that's a question in play like that. lol It makes sense why he felt strongly enough to come all the way out here though, and the jury heard it. He didn't seem like he was trying to sneak it in or anything. It's really more like he just doesn't get how to be a witness in a trial?

He said Johnny was cowering and afraid, which he noted because it seemed really odd to him and he left. When he saw him next, Johnny apologized profusely to him. And he was also very quiet and kept to himself after that. Elaine was winning a lot of her objections against Camille here actually, to her credit. This guy just clearly wasn't prepped at all for this, which is fine given the timeframe.

Anyway, he said he went there the next day to see the trailer. You know, the one that was supposedly completely destroyed, and he said one of the light fixtures was broken and that was it. And he says that happens all the times. But literally nothing but the light fixture was broken. He said it was no big deal and he just tucked the wires away and he paid all of $62 for the repairs that Amber alleged were hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of damages. And he said he never saw Johnny get physical with anyone.

And Elaine actually comes up here and goes "So you're a pretty big fan of Johnny Depp, aren't you!?" He said he actually wasn't and the gallery gave a pretty loud laugh at that. FFS Elaine. And then she said that he wanted to come here and testify. He said he didn't really care and just did so because he was asked by Depp's team and wanted to tell the truth. But Elaine said that he knew it would be broadcasted and that he SEIZED THE MOMENT by Tweeting "THE LEAD PERSON FOR MR. DEPP'S TWITTERS THE UMBRELLA GUY".

"Uh, The Umbrella Guy is the lead what...? I'm sorry."

"The lead Twitters for Johnny Depp."

"I have no idea. I don't care or follow The Umbrella Guy."

"But you DO follow an account called 'Johnny Depp Fan', do you not?"

"Absolutely not."

And then Elaine brings the Tweet he made saying that the Trailer Palace situation didn't happen like that at all and he was there and that Amber was the one acting jealous and crazy. WHY WOULD YOU BRING THIS INTO EVIDENCE FOR THE JURY TO SEE!? And then they published it for the jury to see! Why!?

"Four days after you Tweeted to That Umbrella Man, you--"

"I thought it was The Umbrella Guy."

"...Umbrella Guy."

I get that they are trying to impeach him and claim he's biased or something but this is actual insanity.

"Are you aware that Mr. Adam Waldman said he was in talks with ThatUmbrellaGuy-- Do you know who Adam Waldman is?"

"I have no idea."

"Well he testified earlier that he talks to The Umbrella Guy."

"That he what? That he talks to The Umbrella Guy?"

"Yes, were you aware of that?"

"I honestly--This sounds like schizophrenia."

I died. Absolutely died. Elaine, you sound like a fucking lunatic being so far in the weeds malding about an internet grifter with a funny name!

"Four days after that, you Tweeted something pretty nasty about Elon Musk, didn't you?"

"I did."

"Thank you, and you don't like Elon Musk, do you? ... You texted something that had swear words in it about Elon Musk, would you agree?"

"Yes."

This is absolute madness. What does this have to do with anything. Why. You're trying to bury the man for saying naughty words on Twitter Dot Com. Elaine finally escapes from this line of questioning and just drills him on what he saw and tries to put doubt into what he saw but he was pretty unflappable. So she essentially summarized everything he saw that was damning to Amber's testimony. Great job Elaine.

Elaine objected to everything on re-direct and only got half of them and one time she stood up and went "Ob--Nevermind." This woman is a disaster. It was a short re-direct where he just re-iterated he just wanted to tell the truth and didn't really care about the trial.

Next up is another live witness. You remember bizarre lizard cretin from yesterday that seemed out of his mind? Dr. Shaw came on and was basically the exact opposite. A psychiatrist from England who spent his time talking about how grossly unethical Lurch was and explaining the Goldwater Rule is great detail and how the other guy violated it. During breaks of him talking, he had a real sinister smile somehow though, like he was taking great delight in tearing apart Dr. Spiegel. It's such a night and day comparison between those two and this guy seems so much more well-read.

His whole purpose was to eviscerate Dr. Spiegel. He did so incredibly well. Oh, and they had the baby associate for Depp's team do this one. Good for her. Probably her first expert witness direct. She kinda got bullied on objections though. Cross was nothing, just a little slippery trick to act like Depp evaded being properly evaluated and baby associate got up there and just clarified that Depp wasn't ordered to be evaluated by the Court like Amber was. She got back to her bench and all of Depp's team, including Depp himself, congratulated her. It was actually kinda heart warming.

Next up is Jennifer Howell in a video depo who was um... er... okay. This is all just weird so bear with me. You recall me saying she was a huge factor and basically had evidence in which she wrote a letter saying that Whitney is a liar and outlining that Amber abused Whitney and blew off Johnny's finger and all of that.

Well... we didn't really get any of that, and I'm not sure why. It was broken up into two testimonies. Both incredibly short. The first of which was Elaine questioning how sure Jennifer Howell was of the dates that Whitney stayed with her. And then the next had her explaining that she was unbiased and an anonymous donation was made to her charity before she was set to testify on behalf of Amber, implying she tried to bribe her. Also, it was from Elon Musk too. lol This mother fucker spent so much money on Amber who didn't even like him. What a dope.

Then they talk about the letter Jennifer sent to Whitney but... they don't show it...? I'm honestly extremely confused. But she did say that in it she wanted Whitney to tell the truth because she was being dishonest to protect her sister because she loved Whitney dearly. Then it ends abruptly with Jennifer chewing out Richard (Rottenborn) about how she was attacked by him and his team for 3 hours and was promised to speak with Depp's team. So uh... what the hell. They didn't seem like they admitted the letter or UK depo into evidence...? It's on the evidence list though.

I'm confounded. I researched this and the greater LawTube folks are confused about it too. The only theory so far is that they might be saving it for closing arguments, since it would waste a lot of their time if they started going over it live. Or it seems like something fucky was going on with the depo too so maybe they didn't have a way to present it authentically with time? It's very strange and I'm hoping it becomes apparent why eventually.

Next up is a representative for Children's Hospital who testified all they got was a check from Elon Musk on behalf of Amber and that she had no other communications with Amber and not a single pledge even to donate money to them because she blew them off entirely after claiming she donated all the money to them. That's all.

Today's depos are over! Apparently the timekeeper for today had to attend a mandatory CLE, which is confusing to me since those are basically required classes to maintain your license. I don't know why any would necessarily be mandatory unless he was close to missing the number he needed. But in any case, the Judge has a rough number of hours left as a result.

Johnny: About 10h51m left
Amber: About 2h54m left

I feel like Amber's team burned a lot more than an hour and fifteen minutes though. But Depp's team is on pace to spend another 5 hours each day. That's it for today. It was mostly to destroy all of Amber's witnesses and they were wildly successful at it. Dr. Curry is up next to obliterate the other expert tomorrow, and word is Kate Moss and Johnny Depp will also be going up on the stand again.

Yeah the video leak in all likelihood is fucking Amber herself and that's likely a contract in itself that she can provide them some shit to stir the pot and they keep her out of it.

The Judge very politely told TMZ to stuff it and that it's not her problem. TMZ witness is on for today.

Overall it's been an outstanding day for Johnny so far. But Rottenborn gets to cross examine him after this which may be problematic. But given their collective impotence with this case, I'm not too concerned.

Edit: Also, most striking to me is when Johnny is telling about how Amber abused him and her sister, she had the most smug smile on her face. And she was just chattering and smirking with Elaine throughout it. Like during his whole rebuttal testimony, she was doing this. She's abandoned the forlorn sad girl face she had on his initial testimony. And I don't feel like she realizes that the jury can actively see her still because it's a bad look.

Thanks again for these summaries. This trial is just fascinating.

Speaking of TMZ, the guy who testified just said Amber was a liar and sent them the video and her people put in the call for them to record her, specifically stating they were promised Amber would turn her face so they could get a picture of her bruise.

If you are on that jury and you were wondering how much Amber was lying, this made it clear: she did about literally everything.

Next up is a digital forensic guy who is testifying the bullshit and alterations Amber made to the photos she submitted. Her credibility and the credibility of her attorneys is gone.

https://youtu.be/Qk7SziXmex4

Holy shit I like this guy.

He's handsome and I'm all about embarrassing Elaine lol

Holy shit this baby associate on Amber's team is doing some positively terrible lawyering. He's the guy who objected to himself and asked about Depp's penis. He just keeps shooting himself in the foot. I feel kinda bad, but this is 2/2 in awful cross examinations so far for him.

When you cross examine a tech expert and open the door to him saying people don't throw out physical evidence on redirect, you have truly fucked up.

Catching up on yesterday...
Not much to say that wasn't already said. Amber's lawyers are still acting as if it's a fact that she was defamed and keep referencing the "Depp-Waldman statements" or "the defamatory statements" which is so cringe. Rottenborn Jr. was clearly panicking a LOT with Bania and complete nonsense was coming out of his mouth; he is embarrassing himself by wasting this much time on cross-exam. Elaine did the same crap with Mr. Night. Like... all this is so obviously lying to the jury to try to influence them, and it should be objected to. Their questioning is just illogical at this point and for some reason they think it's working. But it's not. It's incredibly frustrating to follow along since Amber Heard is responsible for her own demise. Johnny Depp and Adam Waldman had nothing to do with it. There IS no counter-claim case and it honestly should've just been dropped when Ben Chew asked the judge to. There is zero doubt left.

Johnny's rebuttal has completely shredded everything that Amber's side presented. Hopefully the jury isn't so stupid that they needed that obliteration. I mean, none of them got out of jury duty for an agonizingly long case like this where the defense team thoroughly embarrasses themselves. I'm still not over the "LOOK AT HIM SLEEPING! WHAT A MONSTER!" pictures.

I won't even finish Tuesday's proceedings until the morning (I got through Dr. Shaw) because tonight was the Survivor finale so I guess I'm in for a marathon tomorrow. I tried to speed up playback but that's not gonna work.

P.S. I wonder if Elaine is ever going to be sought out for representation again after this. She has damned her own client and embarrassed herself.

DAY 22

So today was just "Amber and her attorneys have 0 credibility and Amber is a complete liar" day in court. There's basically no coming back for her because Jesus.

First up via Zoom is Kate Moss of all people. She was only brought into this because Amber Heard claimed that Johnny told her that he pushed Kate Moss down the stairs and Amber claimed that was the reason that she struck Johnny for the first and only time ever. If Amber could have stopped lying for like five seconds, Kate would have been barred from being a witness. Because of this, her testimony was also very limited in what she could say--it had to be entirely because of the rumor. But having someone Johnny was in a relationship with decades ago testify is kind of huge.

Amber was like, twitching and jerking uncomfortably during this testimony. It was super weird. Basically, she told the story that she actually slipped because it was rainy and fell down the stairs and Johnny ran down, carried her to her room, and got her medical attention. That's all. And apparently after this according to someone who was there, Elaine looked back at Rottenborn and shook her head rapidly and they decided not to cross examine her. So Amber was lying about that. Next, move on.

Dr. Curry is here live and I'll be honest, I kind of got tired of what she was saying after enough time. However, she did a complete and thorough takedown of Dr. Hughes, the crazy psychiatrist that Amber had testify before her that claimed Dr. Curry was completely wrong about everything. She basically talked about how all of Dr. Hughes' tests were completely inappropriate and exploited and all she really did was give Amber checklists to analyze her that were highly inaccurate and used for the wrong context of what she was looking for. If you're really interested, you can listen to it yourself. I'll list the good stuff.

- Amber looked extremely uncomfortable and angry during this one too. She wouldn't even look up this time.
- You just need to watch Dr. Curry to see how much more credible she is than Dr. Hughes ever was. She seems so much more knowledgeable and calm.
- Dr. Hughes omitted data that said Amber was lying about PTSD and took her at face value.
- If Amber had the level of PTSD she represented in the tests, she would not be outgoing, having fun, achieving level 3 somalier training, having dinner parties, etc.
- Amber scored in the 98th percentile of lying on the PTSD test.

Elaine does cross which Jesus Christ why even bother? Dr. Curry was just grinning the whole time and Elaine was rehashing the amount of money Dr. Curry was making and then her having dinner thing. Dr. Curry was just done already one minute into this cross and explained she was there for a while, was hungry, she asked if she could get something to eat, so they brought dinner for everyone.

"You testified that you had a mule, did you not?"
"I said there were mules there. I truly don't remember if I had one."
"Well there were no animals there, correct? Because that would be ridiculous."

???????????

Eventually Dr. Curry was answering questions and Elaine was like "We're on a very strict time limitation, so I need you to just answer my questions." ELAINE! IT'S YOUR FAULT YOU'RE ON A STRICT TIME LIMITATION! Apparently the jury took many notes during Dr. Curry's testimony and on cross they didn't write anything and looked annoyed at the dinner talk.

"You understand Dr. Hughes administered 12 different tests, correct?"
"If you want to qualify those as tests, sure."

At one point Elaine says something that Dr. Curry found claiming it was in her notes. Dr. Curry said that it was not in her notes and asked if Elaine had her notes. Elaine just barrelled past it. This cross is a complete disaster for Elaine. Nobody buys any bullshit Elaine is saying.

Redirect came up and Dr. Curry explained that she had to admit that during the tests, she actually had such a horrible time trying to get direct answers from Amber, she had to create forms and said it would be unproductive to interview her. That was one of two questions they bothered to redirect. Fuck, Elaine is so bad. The Depp experts just make it so easy to explain why Amber's experts were so full of shit.

Johnny Depp is back on the stand again, live obviously. The curly black-haired attorney whose name I swear I've never heard did this one. She's kind of second to Chew and Vasquez so far. She did a lot of these today and was really solid in all of them.

Depp began by saying he only saw the Adam Waldman statements for the first time when Amber filed her counter-claim. They were careful to avoid opening a door to discuss his talks with Waldman.

Amber looked furious when Johnny discussed how he helped Amber get her role in Aquaman. Basically, Warner Bros. seemed like they were going to pass because of her issues in Australia because Aquaman was being filmed in Australia for much of it. For those who don't know, she was in trouble for smuggling her dogs into Australia, despite many many warnings that it was illegal, and she got caught and she had to do a public apology with Johnny on video. Look it up. She's also being investigated for perjury there now. In any case, he talked with the Warner Bros. execs because he had a good relationship with them from the Fantastic Beasts movies and he informed them that the situation was fine and they don't need to worry and should still hire her.

Then with the photos of the bar where Johnny's finger was blown off, he was able to point out the details in his story like where the chair was, where the shattered bottles were, where the blood was, and how there was no wall mounted phone there. Apparently he had texted Dr. Kipper a bit after his finger was blown off with that nasty text about how he was done with Amber and how she was too ambitious among other angry and reasonably furious things, providing context for that timeframe. When asked how he was able to text in his state, he pointed at his blown off finger and said "He wasn't available" and that he used his thumbs. He also said he misses the chunk of his finger that was blown off. Oh, and when asked if he took 8-10 MDMA why that wasn't true, he said, "Because I'd be dead."

It's worth pointing out that during Johnny's entire testimony before, Amber had big sad puppy eyes and looked traumatized. Contrast it to now where he's talking about it now and she has a smug, almost Norman Bates looking smirk on at all times. And she's excitedly talking to her counsel during it. Like what the fuck. The jury can see you. They're going to pick up on this that you're looking like some kind of supervillain now as he recounts how you blew his finger off. It honestly felt unsettling at some points.

I should also say that Johnny seems like he's fed up with this trial and especially fed up with Rottenborn. Johnny was getting into the story of how he got the shiner on that picture on the train and Rottenborn objected. So Johnny just said, "She hit me. Is that better?" Dude is well past done with Rottenborn, and it kind of makes sense since he's had to sit here and listen to them lie about him this whole time.

Johnny also said he told the story of Kate Moss falling down the stairs to Amber. And then he noted that the rumor that he shoved Kate Moss down the stairs never came into being until Amber manipulated that story he told her to create a rumor publicly.

He discussed his relationship with Whitney, where Whitney was often belittled and insulted by Amber and treated cruelly and they bonded over the fact they were both treated by Amber like this. He said she moved out of the penthouse because Amber was upset at Whitney because she worked with Jennifer Howell, and Amber is the one that kicked her out.

He said Joel Mandel was a bitter man that was upset he sued him over him embezzling him a ton of money. They transition into talking about how he is very involved in charity. He says he never wants his name attached because he doesn't want it to be about him, and that when he had movies with Disney and such he would talk with them to make the premiere more of a charity gala for Children's Hospital. He also talked about how he would make appearances and visit hospitals and do Make A Wish appearances with children.

Johnny also said he told Amber when he tried to break up with her that he would be away from their home on his band's tour and then he'd be in England to celebrate his daughter's birthday.

Depp Lawyer: How did the events of [the date Amber filed restraining order] effect you?
Depp: It changed everything.
Rottenborn: Objection, relevance?
Depp: Oh, it didn't change everything?

Johnny then explained just how horrible it was to hear her lying about him and saying the most horrific things about him. He says he's not perfect, but he has never in his life committed sexual battery or physical abuse, calling them outlandish and outrageous. He said he waited for six years to bring the truth out and that it wasn't easy for anyone here, but no matter what he got here and told the truth. Good ending to this.

We're on the lunch now, but this time we get a bonus time with the TMZ motion! The Judge says the TMZ lawyer was already off to a bad start since he cited criminal law and this is a civil case, but she was willing to hear him out anyway. She knew her mind was made up already and so did every lawyer there. But the interesting part was that he claimed that the ex-TMZ guy was subpoenaed last night (which gives him more room to argue that it's invalid), Ben Chew said they never subpoenaed him, and then the TMZ lawyer said he has the subpoena right there.

Then Rottenborn Jr. suddenly goes wide-eyed looking at the TMZ lawyer, looking frantic and worried that the Judge was going to ask to see it. So basically what happened, and I don't know for sure, but Chew isn't going to lie about subpoenaing him. That gets the witness disqualified. But there's a subpoena sent yesterday. So what I and others have ascertained is that the subpoena probably came from Amber's team and they were playing a fast one so they could try to get him disqualified. This is so scummy.

The Judge basically said it's not her problem and she doesn't care as politely as possible. Chew had great arguments with case law backing it. Then Elaine came up like a frantic maniac and talked about how this person should have been on their witness list and that she thinks he's going to testify that Amber had told TMZ about her getting the restraining order. The Judge then says "Do you have anything to talk about concerning this motion? Because we can deal with the rest later." Elaine tries to argue and the Judge tells her to sit. lmao BTFO by Judge.

Then the TMZ Lawyer tries to argue again, the Judge says she's denying their motion, but then he asked if he could object to the ex-TMZ guy. She said no, he's not a party to the suit. The Judge could not give a fuck what this lawyer had to say and was fighting back laughing pretty clearly at points. And then she says Ben Chew is just a sarcastic guy.

Rottenborn's cross of Johnny was next. He was vicious during this. He tried to say that they photoshopped the picture to make it look like he was injured, and they took a social media post from the train's Facebook to attempt proving it. And he also showed a picture where there's a shadow that makes it look like he has a black eye and they got lost in the weeds with Depp explaining how shadows and lighting works and from what I hear the jury hated all of this and didn't buy it.

To Rottenborn's credit, he was solid during the rest of it. He kept Depp from talking as much. He was grossly mischaracterizing things and doing some scummy things during it though. He claimed that the bottle that was shattered didn't have a handle on it. And Depp had to argue with him that the bottle is shattered and that's why you can't see the handle. He brought up testimony where Depp said he took a phone off a wall to make a call on it as well, but we've seen a picture of the phone on the counter and no destroyed phone on the ground.

Rottenborn also took a few quotes where he said Depp made claims of taking women if he wants them and other pretty awful things like that. They show the text messages and it's in a group chat and it says they were incoming, whereas all of Johnny's texts had said outgoing before, so it was someone else in that chat. It wasn't talked about on redirect though so I guess somehow 6 lawyers on Depp's team all missed that. Regardless, Depp never said those comments and he claimed he never said them at all. Oh and Rottenborn's team is trash and they forgot to redact a couple phone numbers (kind of a big deal for a publicized trial like this) and later on redirect Depp's team had to redact them live.

Rottenborn also claimed that Johnny tried to get Amber fired from Aquaman, when all he did was talk to Warner Bros. execs about what was going on and that they should be prepared about any bad press that comes to both of them.

They also showed a very elaborate text Depp made about how karma would be coming back for Amber and calling her many lovely awful names and that he needs texts from someone for any pending litigation and talking about "mollusk" and about how he'll face him like a man and show "mollusk" his dick when he chops it off. I'll let you guys figure out who Mullosk is.

And then he tried to say that Depp already had a chance to tell his truth at the UK trial and he tried to explain that it was limited what could be discussed but he couldn't really get it out because of Rottenborn. Redirect came though and Depp was able to explain it after. Rottenborn tried to object, but he brought it up so it was overruled. Depp looked directly at him and said, "You'll be okay." He got it all out in general though.

They bring up the mollusk text again and then he explained his entire life was destroyed and that's why he was saying all of that and explained he has talked about violence in times of anger, never to anyone directly, but he would assault cabinets and never a person and that he was just furious over the lies.

He mentioned he felt responsible for having gone to Warner Bros. on Amber's behalf and that he wanted to tell them what they would be facing down the line with two of their major franchises as a result of the media that was coming out. He said he only reached out because WB was getting more and more upset and worried and he told them exactly what was going wrong because he felt responsible for having spoken out for Amber before. He closed by stating he never physically abused Amber during their relationship.

Overall this was risky, there was some bad in this, but I don't think it was that bad. LawTube is abuzz about how bad it was, but I don't think that it really hurt him. Especially with how bad Amber looks now.

Next up is Morgan Tremaine, live, as the ex-TMZ employee! He was a field assignment manager, which means he's the guy who sent the paparazzi out after receiving tips. They would receive tips from many people including celebrities themselves, publicists, and lawyers. The guys above him have to verify that the tip is legitimate, because that dictates how much time it takes for him to dispatch.

He was the guy that sent paparazzi to the courthouse when Amber was getting her restraining order. He said they would never send anyone to a courthouse unless they had a tip. He dispatched them to photograph Amber and the bruise on her face. They were told that she was going to purposefully turn her face to give them a good shot of her bruise. He said they got the pictures.

Then he mentioned that he also dispatched paparazzi to receive pictures of her doing a deposition for the law office as well. And then again, for a trip she was taking in LAX. He mentions both of these were verified tips.

Then he also said that he received the video through a link with Johnny Depp smashing cabinets and they downloaded it and they put bumpers on it and watermark to officially copyright it. (Side note: This is not how copyright works.) He says that the only way they can obtain copyright if it was verified and purchased and/or given to them by the rights holder, which is who made the video. If it's directly from the source, it takes 15 minutes. He said it took 15 minutes for them to throw up the video, and that TMZ absolutely owns the copyright. Oh, and this video was a lot shorter than the one played in the UK trial and this trial, because it removed the parts where she was setting up the camera and also the part where she is smirking at the camera, and he verified it was clipped out when they received it.

So let's see... Amber claimed nobody contacted TMZ letting them know she'd be at the courthouse getting her restraining order, and that she has no idea how TMZ got the video but they were able to immediately verify it was received from the rights holder who made it and also were able to immediately verify that Amber would be at the courthouse. I mean, it doesn't get more damning than this that Amber is a lying sack of shit.

Cross comes on and Elaine does it whyyyyyy. He said all he saw was the clip of the video from this trial. She tries to make very vague connections to Morgan here and Depp's family members and it's absurd.

"And you know this is being televised, do you not?"
"I am aware that there are cameras."
"And so this gets you your 15 minutes of fame, right?"
"I stand nothing to gain from this. I'm actually putting a target on my back by TMZ who is very litigious. So I am not taking my 15 minutes here. But you are welcome to speculate. And I could say the same thing for taking Amber as a client for you."

Elaine just got fucking annihilated so badly by this dude. Maybe don't open up with this idiotic argument because it's awful and opens yourself up. She also tried to imply Johnny's PR team was the one who was calling TMZ to set up all of this. What.

Camille on redirect just asks him how he got in contact with her. He said he reached out because he saw the video was very different than the one they had received with TMZ. He said he just wanted to help out with the timeline of things and didn't anticipate he would be testifying, but was happy to speak the truth. That's all for redirect. This guy just killed Amber's credibility entirely.

You might be thinking... how can this get worse? Well, Brian Numeister testifies and he was a grossly overqualified digital forensic guy that was hired to analyze the metadata in everything that Amber submitted. It was such a fucking disaster and delivered way, way, way too late. He says he doesn't really testify often because 2% of cases ever go to trial and data is easy usually.

He authenticated the pictures Amber had of her injuries. God, I will butcher this if I try to explain it but let me try. He analyzed the Exif info, which tells you what software the file is coming from. Basically, a ton of the photos didn't come from the iPhone software, it came from the Photos app, which you use to edit the pictures.

So you guys remember Rottenborn III who was the baby associate that objected to his own question and asked about Depp's penis? That's the guy doing cross for him. But so far he's just objecting constantly and losing all of them. It's so bad.

For instance, he said there were a dozens of different versions of Amber's photo where she is showing off the bruise on her arm. He said that they were all different file sizes, physical sizes, and chromatic values. They went through Photos 1 software and Photos 3 software, which he notes are image editing software apps.

Basically, he showed three different versions of that picture and showed off the file size and said they were impossible to authenticate because none of them were the source photo and went through some kind of transformation to make those file sizes. Rottenborn III kept getting butthurt that he was mentioning colors.

He shows off how he analyzes all the data and it's kind of interesting I guess, but he verifies they are odd and come from the Photos 3.0 app and not from the iPhone software.

Then they play a video he made of Amber with a bruise on her cheek that they presented two versions of in court. She maintains they were completely different, and then the two pictures flash back and forth and... the only difference between them is the hue is red in one of them. Everything else is identical. The one that is less red is the iPhone source while the more red one is the Photos 3.0 source. He shows another video of Aber and her bruise where both of them come from different directions until they place perfectly over one another. And then it flashes back and forth, same thing. One is more red than the other and that's the only difference. Same deal with the source.

He mentioned one was more red than the other and then Rottenborn III objects stating that they made a ruling on the colors and he keeps violating it. Absolutely horrific lawyering. You don't SAY what you ruled on because then it gives the jury an excuse to look for it. If they weren't thinking about you wanting to make sure he didn't talk about it being more red, they're definitely thinking it now!

They have another objection over him explaining more of the data he looked into and Rottenborn III actually won the objection here. So Numeister said it would be impossible to authenticate anything though, and then it goes to Rottenborn III.

"From your testimony, you rely on the Exif metadata but no other data, is that correct?"
"Incorrect."
"What other data did you rely on for the opinions you testified on today?"
"I was trying to explain but you kept me--"
"NO. What other data did you rely on actual opinions you've been able to testify to today?"

So he tries to explain and then he objects and calls it non-responsive to his question. BRO YOU MADE AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION ASKING ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST GOT A SUCCESSFUL RULING ON. What did you think would happen!? Like the witness even tried to tell you twice that you kept him from answering it before. They go to a sidebar and then the Judge just tells him that he can answer the question. Rottenborn III is so bad.

"Can you restate the question?"
"Uhhhhh. I don't recall the question Your Honor."

Absolutely hilarious. You KNOW what you just asked. You just had a sidebar talking about it. What is this!? He says maybe they can ask it on redirect, but the Judge sees through this and says that they can have the court reporter recite it. So she does and he starts to answer and he objects and says it's beyond the scope. lol The Judge tells him to answer it.

So he states all of the other methods he used to verify these, which is pretty extensive. And Rottenborn III asks if he testifies that Amber Heard modified any of them. He said he is only testifying they were modified. He also opened up the witness to say that his testimony was limited to only those three sets of photos and no other ones. Just more slimy tactics.

So we were wondering what the Judge ruled on with the bullshit discovery issues since no Order was made public to the court. It seems like she said they could have Numeister on to testify about them, but limited it to only three different photos to make his point, since she seems like she doesn't want this to become too much of a sticking point for the decision. Rottenborn III was just badgering with this witness trying to get the answer he wanted and Numeister just kept saying it was very different and he never got the answer he wanted and opened up to continue testifying about this. All of Depp's lawyers were laughing at Rottenborn III.

He was able to clarify on redirect until Rottenborn III objected and said that backups are outside the scope, and the Judge said Rottenborn III opened the door for that so the witness can continue. Jesus. Basically, it allowed him to spout off more technical stuff to back up his point that these weren't just back ups and that they all went through an editing software.

So you may be thinking now, this was REALLY REALLY bad but maybe there's at least one thing Amber told the truth about, right? Maybe one thing. Well Beverly Leonard is here via Zoom to talk about the time she arrested Amber Heard for beating the shit out of her former wife. Unbelievable they got this person. It was VERY limited. They were not allowed to say Tasya's name or her relation to Amber, that Amber was arrested, or that she was a cop. I think it's kind of bullshit that they can't come out and say that, frankly, but it's the Judge's ruling.

Anyway, Amber had an altercation with her "traveling companion" and grabbed her "traveling companion" and pulled her necklace from her neck and broke up a fight. She called someone to help and separated them. She said Amber was very aggressive and seemed to be not steady on her feet, her eyes were blurry, and that she reeked of alcohol. And that the "traveling companion" raised her hands defensively and was stoic in general. But Amber was saying they were just having an argument while Leonard tried to see how they were doing. The "traveling companion" had a bruise from her neck from her necklace being pulled off.

Beverly Leonard was sent an anonymous email, she literally doesn't know from who, and she reached out on their recommendation and reached out late last night. 11th hour witness here. And then Elaine tried to hit her with the "You're just trying to be famous." Apparently the jury was disgusted at this line of questioning. She was wondering why she wasn't contacted earlier, but she was happy to tell the truth about what happened.

I should note that Elaine was positively livid during the entire testimony and cross of this woman. She was distinctly enraged, probably because the jury is obviously going to make the connection like the rest of the world that this was the situation she got arrested in for beating up her other spouse. Completely nuked Amber from orbit with this one.

So that Night guy, the TMZ guy, and Leonard here all agreed to testify in this case to tell the truth. Amber told so many lies that people all over the country she was around appeared out of nowhere to set the record straight. That's actually pretty nuts.

That's it for today. Depp's team has one more witness tomorrow, who is supposed to be the flight attendant that Johnny Depp supposedly fed drugs to and broke her arm. So that will be fun. And then Amber gets to do her counter-claim rebuttal which uh... let's look at the time.

Depp: 7h8m left
Amber: 1h16m left

So we will not be seeing much out of Amber's team tomorrow. The Judge said she will cut them off immediately when they hit the mark. Amber's team has barely any time to counter anything done in this rebuttal, but the rumor is that Amber will be back on the stand again. This is completely insane to me. She gets on there for an hour, opens a bunch of doors, and then Depp's team has freedom to spend HOURS just drilling her about everything she talked about. If they're smart, Amber does not go back.

But tomorrow should be shorter (yay) and then Friday are the closing arguments and potential jury decision Friday or Tuesday. We're almost done!

"Can you restate the question?"
"Uhhhhh. I don't recall the question Your Honor."

Absolutely hilarious that he couldnt even get away with this but still tried.

Hilarious and frustrating.

Ayyy today was super short.

1 Depp witness, 2 disaster Amber witnesses and then Amber herself.

Amber got completely demolished by Camille and basically admitted to writing the op-ed because she was sick of people supporting Johnny and called literally every person who testified for Johnny a liar. Literally every single one.

I cannot believe how badly she screwed up with that. Just impossibly bad from Amber. They have malice and intent for the op ed now. So it's now up to whether or not she willingly lied. Which needless to say, it's looking pretty damning she did lie about it all. This closing argument tomorrow will be a massacre.

I predict Johnny wins with the fuck you amount of $7 million for what he paid Amber for the divorce settlement.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rNTNfZS0TwI

She's never done cocaine people. It's all of Johnny's 100 witnesses and some of her own witnesses who have been lying through their teeth about her all along. Amber Heard is a paragon of existence. The whole world is a liar, not her.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nuGSTiDuhSw#searching

And Chris Rock better brace himself next Oscar, we have a winner here.

I have no idea why they counted time against Johnny's team at the end of Tuesday when Amber's team went on this rant about all of Amber's false reports when the jury had already left. Like everything they do at this point, it's so cringe. They need to charge Amber with obstruction of justice in addition to perjury. I hope she sees significant jail time in addition to being blacklisted from Hollywood.

Thankfully, Wednesday isn't too long - only like 6 hours worth of proceedings. PHEW. I also see today was super short. I'm looking forward to the judge saying "Finish answering that question, then go take your seat. You're out of time." (aka "Fuck you, Ms. Turd.") I am not quite there yet (this post is being made after finishing with Dr. Curry; I will post again later)

Kate Moss still looks great. AND she's credible, unlike Amber. (Also, as a James Bond fan, the GoldenEye reference was great - the resort is a historic landmark where Ian Fleming wrote all the books, and they always wanted to name a movie after it once they ran low on Fleming works to use.)

Dr. Curry sounds so credible. She was able to explain all of her tests and Dr. Hughes's tests and why her own tests were more credible. I have no idea why this trial needs to go on so long. It's very open-and-shut. Johnny is a victim who so happens to be difficult; Amber is an absolute monster. I gotta wonder what's going down on that paper she keeps writing on. If it's absolutely psychopathic thoughts, that would be enough to indict her. If it's just furious drawing, that isn't. No idea what it could be since it's obviously a coping mechanism to prevent her from blowing a gasket.

Elaine asking questions is so bad. Like... Johnny treated her to dinner in exchange for her services as part of her payment. This adds WHAT? She's Johnny's "expert." She's clearly in his court already. The dinner changes nothing. Each side presents an expert witness for a reason - so they have someone who they pay to explain the things they need to corroborate their case. Each side gives its own lens. Each side looks for different things. This is why they each have an expert.

Amber having PTSD is viable but it's probably self-inflicted due to her BPD and whatever else she probably has. I didn't pay undivided attention to Dr. Curry because it's deep stuff, but she again did a great job explaining things in layman's terms. Elaine, however, is an embarrassment.

Axl_Rose_85 posted...

Amber Heard is a paragon of existence. The whole world is a liar, not her.

This distortion is just wild. "Everyone else is lying!!!! I am a perfect angel!" is just ridiculous. Own your faults. Be relatable. Don't present your ugly self as perfect. And tbh.... I don't find her pretty, at least not now because of the looks on her face.

So you do think there's still a chance that Johnny doesn't win this, biscuit?

I'll give more thoughts later, but just judging from the folks who were there talking about the jury, all of them seemed completely unsympathetic to her today when she gave a hysterical plea for them to believe her. Which isn't shocking. Apparently only one bothered to look at her, and she is apparently fully entrenched on Team Johnny the whole time leading up to this.

But to be completely clear, it's a jury, so anything is possible. But I think it's such a small percentage now they won't go in Johnny's favor. But we've seen lined up a teaser of the closing argument in Ben Chew's Motion to Strike arguments and it doesn't look pretty.

Basically, today you had Amber get no sympathy from the jury, she outright called every single person in this trial who testified for Johnny a liar who cannot be trusted, told the jury that the entire internet doesn't believe her, outright admitted that she made the article SPECIFICALLY because she was so upset people were still supporting Johnny, and she's been exposed as a liar time and time again in this court, and specifically exposed with Camille today.

What does Amber's team have in their favor here, really? They have no proof whatsoever of any actual abuse and jurors aren't stupid enough to buy into the insane lies that Amber was telling about being beaten to death and dancing around the next day without a mark on her. They can see her smirking with satisfaction when they talk about how she bullied her sister and blew off Johnny's finger. Jurors can be dumb, but my god the disparity in evidence here is astounding.

Closing arguments will seal it. Elaine is a disaster and the jury hates her. They don't like Rottenborn at all, and he can only do so much with their lacking evidence. They have a ton of respect for Camille from what everyone who has been there has said, and Ben Chew just absolutely slaughters every oral argument he's made.

Amber absolutely doesn't win her counter claim, and I just don't see a juror arguing hard for Amber during deliberation, when so many of them already seem like they don't like her to begin with.

There might be someone that may argue that it wasn't beyond reasonable doubt even though this isn't a criminal case.

I think Virginia is also a state where civil cases do require unanimous consensus among the jurors. I could be wrong though.

DAY 23

We're almost done! And fortunately, this day was shorter because they didn't need to use all of their time! It was a hell of a day too.

Important note of the day is that Ben Chew has an alpaca doll with him all day today. When it got knocked down, he was setting it back upright. You could see it in his pockets at times too.

Depp has oooone more witness named Dr. Stephen Gilbert. He is a professional hand surgeon who does 300-400 hand surgeries a year, and basically all he did here was confirm that Johnny's finger wasn't crushed or sliced and wasn't broken with a phone like Amber tried to claim in one of her multiple different stories. He said this because the finger nail and top of his finger were purely intact and unhurt, and the rest of his fingers were fine and not bruised or anything if he was smashing it with a phone. He tore up the other surgeon Amber had who was a clown anyway and not to be taken seriously too.

Rottenborn crossed and tried to use weasel words and if you know Rottenborn during this whole thing, you have picked up on this entirely. He wasn't trying to prove that any of Amber's theories were true, he just tried to tear down the bottle idea. On redirect the newbie attorney who has done a few more of these did a good job rehabbing and reaffirming what he was saying why everything else but the bottle story was bullshit. That's it.

Johnny's rebuttal is closed! We're onto the Amber sur-rebuttal now! And keep in mind she has a little over an hour, so they made these QUICK.

Some computer forensic dude comes up whose name I couldn't be bothered to remember. I'll be honest, after hearing about all of the digital forensic stuff yesterday I'm kinda over hearing about it today. From what I hear, the jury felt the same. But he went up there to defend that the metadata in all the photos was fiiiiiine. But he wouldn't show any of the photos when he showed the metadata. That's really weird. So people were even more confused and checked out of it. Just horrible demonstratives here that were impossible to follow. I just don't understand how they thought he'd help.

Neither did Wayne, because he got up there and tore this apart effortlessly. This guy was just really evasive so he didn't look good. Like when Wayne asked if he could identify any of these as authentic originals and he was cagey about it. And when he brought up that they were coming from a photo editing software, he said that's not right because it came from Photos 3.0 which is a photo editing AND sorting software. Alright dude. Wayne then shows some of the altered pictures side-by-side and then this guy says they're visually different. So Wayne pulls up a bunch of identifying information with the time, date, file name, and location these were created, and they're both literally identical. He tries to bullshit about how he can't tell because he hasn't seen the metadata for them, which is exactly the point. Sunk. Redirect was just a few questions and... this was basically nothing.

Then fuck, Dr. Hughes is back to be smug about her credentials and busted testing. Apparently the jury was highly unimpressed with her after Dr. Curry took her down. The other issue is that Dr. Hughes had to rush through all of this so fast that it was just kind of noise. She sounded so condescending too so you're just bound to punt her to the curb. She made a big deal about Dr. Curry not following instructions with a "trust me bro I'm more qualified" reasoning.

Wayne came back with a vengeance though. He came up there and casually started to point out literally everything Dr. Hughes did incorrectly with her testing, pulling his source from the damn manuals.

"So you agree with me that we should read the manual. Would you also agree with me that you need to read the directions?"

Savagery. Big ones were that she used a test that wasn't supposed to be used, that referred her to use a different test instead, but she used both in her diagnosis. And that for one test Amber was supposed to describe her symptoms in the past year, but that Dr. Hughes instructed her to go back to when Amber was still in the relationship and describe her symptoms to determine if she had PTSD. This was effective because Dr. Hughes was so pissed off the whole time and it showed how defensive she was over it.

Elaine tried to redirect and was trying to get her to name a bunch of things that made her have PTSD, which meant she just wanted her to name off a bunch of bullshit Amber claimed happened again. Wayne was objecting like mad to all of these and winning them all. One time Elaine tried to plead her case after the Judge said it was sustained, and then the Judge just responded with "Sustained". She is going to be so happy to not deal with Elaine for a long time again. This was just not helpful at all and it didn't help their case at all.

And next is the main event, and the last thing the jury gets to see: Amber Heard comes back to the stand. This is such an awful idea. Amber's team HAS to be able to read the jury in general right now, and they have to know Amber is a loose cannon that cannot be controlled and just opens her mouth and looks terrible. I think they tried to advise her not to go back up but Amber demanded it, thinking she could turn this jury. I'll spoil it ahead of time, but the jury here was a combination of not looking at her at all, or actively looking at her incredulously during her testimony. This jury has no sympathy to give Amber Heard anymore. She's cooked. So when she is pleading her heart out and talking about how hard everything has been, and THAT'S the reaction she gets from the people deciding her fate? Who is going to actively argue in her favor at this point, when reports from multiple people reflect this? When there's at least 4 jurors who clearly don't buy into anything she's saying, with one actively mean mugging her the whole time. It's one thing to speculate what the jury is probably thinking as a reasonable person, but when you have eye witnesses telling you what the jury did, it's a whole other thing.

Rottenborn did this direct, thank fucking god. Because Elaine doing it would be even more disastrous. She starts off by saying that she's being threatened every day and that people are calling her a liar and that they're threatening to kill her and put her baby in a microwave, then claimed out of nowhere that Johnny Depp threatened her that if she ever left him he would make her think of him every single day she lived. Now imagine a jury hearing this and actively not caring. This is where we're at.

Amber then claimed that the Waldman statements have echoed and she is reliving the trauma from it, her hands shake constantly, and she wakes up screaming. I guess because someone said you were committing a hoax. Her friends and significant others need to live with unspoken rules on how to not surprise or scare her. Otherwise she'll have a panic attack, and that she'll have a meltdown for combat scenes in movies because she's just trying to SURVIVE. Then, outrageously, she claims she's not in the courtroom snickering, laughing, and making snide jokes. Remember when I told you guys the jury saw her jump out of her seat and cheer and gave her a weird look? Guess how good that claim is going to land. The jury has absolutely been watching her too.

And then she said SHE IS A HUMAN BEING, and that she doesn't deserve this, and that Johnny promised he'd do this to her! And that the comments had sent MILLIONS OF PEOPLE to attack her on Johnny's behalf. This was objected to and Amber just keeps talking over it. This is constant for her. But she gets objected to, immediately turns off the fury and hysterics, calmly waits, then immediately jumps back into her frantic yelling. It's not even subtle. It's just alarming.

She talks about how she's using her experience to advocate for others and to speak up for those who have lived through what she has and are less fortunate. Amber, you admitted to not donating money you claimed to donate to charity. Come on now. But now she can't have a career and she can't have friends because of her harassment she receives!

She also admits that she knows people are threatening her much more after the trial started and mocking her testimony of being assaulted. Hey guys, neither party is supposed to be looking at social media now, just a quick reminder. And guess what? If you don't believe Amber and think maybe you feel bad for it, now you know that literally thousands of people, according to her, also don't believe her. She just wants Johnny to leave her alone though! They show Johnny and he just looks so unimpressed. Same, dude.

Amber claims that she kept quiet all the time and Johnny has been silencing her. Uhhhh? She's literally been talking about it constantly while he's been quiet. Hello? She has a RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN to talk about what happened to her. And that she wants to tell her truth. Looooong bench after that one. Guess what? Now their limitation on cross is opened to impeaching her on the truth of what she's said. WHOOPS.

Camille comes on for round two. This was a murder scene.

"You testified that this case has been hard for you, so let's talk about why. Your lies have been exposed to the world multiple times, right?"
"I haven't lied about anything I've said."

Notable is that it's been reported that multiple members of the jury looked shocked to see her say that. This is really going over well already. Camille starts by asking about the Hicksville instance with the trailer palace, and that Rocky Pennington didn't corroborate it and that the manager of the trailer park was reportedly furious was the damage done didn't corroborate her story either. Amber's defense? "I don't know who that man is but he's not the manager of that trailer park and wasn't there." Like what the fuck is this? NOBODY is going to believe this! Not a soul! He testified all about the place for foundation! But she says he was never there and people are coming out of the wood work to be involved in the Johnny Depp Show and therefor doesn't know what happened.

"So you're saying Mr. Night is a liar?"
"What I'm saying was that he wasn't there, and what he testified to is not what I know happened. But I don't fault him, because he wasn't there so how would he know?"

This is such a smug response. So you think this guy came in here, told a bunch of bullshit that could ruin your life, and then said "It's no big deal, I'm not that upset at him for lying to ruin me." Amber kept trying to talk over Camille while she was trying to ask questions.

Then Amber claims that she had no idea the paparazzi would be at the courtroom when she got her restraining order. Then says she brought her publicist IN CASE things would blow up. She reminds her of the Morgan Tremain testifying that he knew she would be there to pose for the shot. Her response? "Why would I possibly want that? What survivor of abuse could possibly want that!?" Good question Amber.

When asked about the TMZ video she claimed she never sent it and doesn't know if that's even true that only the rights holder can give it away! Camille keeps drilling her and pointing out the edits Amber made. "I know you testified earlier that you weren't smirking at this trial, but you sure were smirking at the end of the video."

"If I wanted to leak information, I could have done it in a more effective way and a lot sooner and a lot more. I was living with a mountain of this evidence. If I wanted to leak it, I could have done a lot more with it."
"You testified earlier that you don't know how to leak things."
"I don't!"

So much eye rolling sassiness from Amber for this. After she was nearly sobbing before. Camille shows a picture of Amber looking sad at the courthouse with her bruise, then shows her the next day hanging out with Rocky smiling big and laughing uproariously without a bruise on her, clearly not wearing make-up in the picture. Camille makes sure to zoom in on her face.

Then Camille shows a picture of wine on the floor and asks about when Amber testified it was on the floor. Amber claims she doesn't remember, and then Camille busts out the transcripts to show when she testifies that picture belonged to. And then Camille shows an identical picture with a different exhibit number that she has Amber read that she testified to THAT picture being from a completely separate incident. WHOOPS. They're shown side-by-side and then she claims that she can't say when it was from because Camille covered the metadata up and Camille says that she didn't cover it up because it's her exhibit and Amber just asks the Judge if they could remove the redaction and the Judge says that's how it's admitted into evidence. lmao And then Amber turns to the jury and starts trying to explain metadata to them like fuck off lady. Camille shuts that down.

"So which day is this picture from?"
"Well if you would remove the metadata, you could find out."
"Or if you were telling the truth, you would know."

Amber gets indignant and says she can't be expected to remember which situation that picture came from, it's been five years! She calls it absurd to expect that and that "that's not how that works." To stop it from getting worse, Rottenborn calls for a bench conference with the Judge and Camille. And at this point the Judge tells the gallery that if she hears one more sound from them that she will not allow anyone to observe. Apparently there was chatter throughout the day during breaks and such, when they're supposed to be quiet.

Camille brings up Amber saying on the audio that Johnny could tell people he was a victim of abuse and nobody would believe him, and she launched into a rant about how she said that because it was crazy since she was beaten up so much by him and that they signed a statement saying they weren't saying these allegations for monetary gain it only affected her, and he signed his name to it!

And then Camille says that Amber didn't expect so many people to show up and testify on his behalf. She says that's incorrect. Camille brings up that when Amber testified she thought about Johnny pushing Kate Moss down the stairs, she never expected Kate Moss to testify that never happened.

"Incorrect. I know how many people would come out of the woodwork to support Johnny."
"So you think Ms. Moss needs to come out of the woodwork to testify for Mr. Depp?"

Amber then talks about how everyone knew about that rumor and she heard it from multiple people and that OF COURSE that's what flashed into her mind when Johnny almost killed her sister! She was piiiiiissed talking about Kate Moss. She can't even hide it.

Camille brings up that Amber claimed the trailer was trashed and she didn't expect the manager to come and testify that wasn't true. She says she's been in trial with this man before (incorrect) and knows how many people will come to support him. She says the same thing about TMZ as well.

"I know how many people will come out and say whatever for him! That's his power! That's why I wrote that op-ed! I was speaking to that phenomenon. How many people will come out and speak out for him and fall to his power. He's a powerful man, and people love currying favor for powerful men."

Camille asks if they would curry favor and commit perjury in the courtroom for a powerful man.

"I have seen people do this time and time again. That's why I wrote this op-ed!"

She brings up Ben King flying out from England to testify how he found Johnny's finger. And Amber is just flying off the handle and talking over Camille at this point just furious. Then Camille also points out the sound technician for Johnny came out to testify he doesn't feed him lines like Amber claimed and Amber angrily talks about Johnny's power more.

Then Camille brings up that she must have expected Isaac Barush to come out and speak. Amber suddenly sobers up and says she actually didn't think about that.

"But you didn't expect Mr. Barush to weep. TO WEEP for Mr. Depp for what you put him through and so many others."
"I relate to Isaac because we're the only two that CRIED on the stand!"

Camille actually walked away and said she has no further questions while Amber was talking. God damn, the disrespect. This was devastating. Probably more devastating than the first cross. It was just quick and lethal to her credibility just explaining all of her lies with these rebuttal witnesses and others. Absolutely fantastic to end the last thing you say to the jury for this is bringing up how Isaac Barush, who everyone loved, was weeping over what Amber did to hurt people. A call back to an early part of this trial that reminds everyone that they were saying this the whole time. This closed the whole damn thing for good as far as I'm concerned. How do you possibly recover from all of this?

And Amber ending it by saying she was one of two people to cry on the stand? After the jury heard her acting coach say Amber had trouble crying, and she was only able to produce tears once. Like this jury isn't stupid. She pointed out her tears when she was actually sobbing and tears weren't coming out constantly! That's the other thing this cross was left on! How do you do this!?

Rottenborn walks up for an impossible redirect and says if anyone misled Isaac, who would it be? She answers Johnny. What is this question even? And then he asks if she ever faked a bruise? No. Did she ever fake an injury? No. Is any evidence you put in this trial fake? No, absolutely not. And then she asked if it's strange for two spilled bottles of wine to be in multiple cases, and Amber starts malding about how there's SO MUCH EVIDENCE and most people don't have as much evidence as she does of the violence but there's SO MUCH EVIDENCE. She keeps going on but it sounds extremely desperate. Also, maybe don't talk about how much evidence there is when your evidence has been severely lacking for literally everything. But she keeps rambling about how the wine pictures don't even matter because there's so many more important pictures of her injuries too!

Then she's asked if Depp abused her physically, verbally, and emotionally and she said yes to each. Curiously removed from this is sexually, which would be explained by them not wanting to draw attention to that anymore. She got a little more brave during questioning when she brought up that Johnny drug her to a second courtroom before this and that the Waldman statements are a direct result of this (what?) and implying he's so powerful that all of these people are trying to ruin her and then she closes by saying that he's humiliating her in this trial by having all of this play out in real time in front of the world, live. Alright. That's it. This was the biggest disaster of all disasters in this case, truly. It was such a terrible mistake to bring her on.

According to an attorney who was there, the Judge looked pissed when Rottenborn asked if she faked evidence, and immediately after Amber was done, she called Rottenborn and Camille to the bench. He thinks she was reprimanding him because that's just really, really scummy, especially since there were so many issues with discovery and she probably feels like everyone else that Amber absolutely faked evidence.

Let's recap. She outright said she wrote the op-ed about Johnny because she didn't want people believing him and supporting him. That's admission of writing the op-ed, malice, and intent. If the jury somehow didn't prescribe all of that to Amber at this point, Amber made it super easy for them. Expect to hear that again in closing. And then her entire plea and impassioned speech about how horrible this has all been and how tortured she is now fell completely flat with the jury, with some of them outright exasperated by her. She claimed EVERY SINGLE PERSON who testified for Johnny was just lying and others doing it for clout. That everyone is a liar but her, literally, and you should only believe her. And she looked absolutely repugnant while she was on cross.

I don't see any way that Amber wins this at all, or how anyone on the jury can argue on her behalf during deliberation. It was just madness. Not even her experts were believable. There's nobody who spoke on her behalf you can actually trust. Amber does NOT win the counter-claim by any stretch. There's just nothing there to support it. At worst, there's a hung jury for Johnny's claim. But I just can't see Johnny losing with the overwhelming evidence here in his favor.

After this, both parties discussed jury instructions. Surprised they actually showed this. It was boring though, obviously. The most notable part from this that actually ensures that the counter-claim is dead, and if you recall my biggest concern about that counter-claim, the jury is being instructed to NOT make any inferences about Adam Waldman asserting attorney-client privilege to evade answering questions.

We're onto the last day. Thank god. It will be a good one though.

charmander6000 posted...

There might be someone that may argue that it wasn't beyond reasonable doubt even though this isn't a criminal case.

Nope. The jury instructions will be VERY clear about this that it's a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. To put it simply, they have to believe there is a 50+1% chance that Amber is lying. The jury instructions will absolutely reflect that.

TheRock1525 posted...

I think Virginia is also a state where civil cases do require unanimous consensus among the jurors. I could be wrong though.

This is right. Unanimous consensus needs to be here, but I just don't see a group of jurors spending 6 weeks doing this trial and not coming out with a unanimous decision. Most of the jurors clearly don't believe anything Amber is saying. And if those few people are leaning on Amber's side, how hard are you going to argue against the people who are just reminding you of every single thing Amber said that's a clear lie? What do you say to defend it? There's no way that anyone likes Amber Heard enough after all of that to argue vehemently with a group of people that she's innocent.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Alright. That's it. This was the biggest disaster of all disasters in this case, truly. It was such a terrible mistake to bring her on.

I wonder if on some level she felt she's lost, so she just wanted to throw some quotes out there for the press to pick up to portray her as a victim, but so much of her behavior has been so unhinged I guess it's hard to say.

I also wonder if that'll bite her in the butt when the jury is deciding damages against her given that she's gone so far out of her way to give anyone watching this case with any real degree of scrutiny an increasingly heightened sense of hostility towards her.

I mean, I realize they have to have 7 unanimous jurors, and there's some remote possibility one of the selected jurors paid literally zero attention to any of the testimony or evidence against her and won't find in favor of Depp, but barring that, I would think any juror looking at damages would be inclined to be as penalizing as possible given the brazen nature of so many of her claims that are either clearly false or, most charitably, not at all supported by the evidence or witness testimony.

Thank you for these long writeups.

Reading these recaps, all I can think of is a complete breakdown and unmasking at the end of a Phoenix Wright case, and just thinking about how similar to a former president Amber seems with the inability to not lie for no reason, to blame everyone and everything that doesn't go her way, to find the most incompetent and cartoon-villainish to poorly fight for their side of events with bullshit expertise and flawed methods of evidence and reaching conclusions, unrelenting inability to not dig deeper into lies or read the room, and complete and utter abuse of the victim card.

Mega Mana posted...

Reading these recaps, all I can think of is a complete breakdown and unmasking at the end of a Phoenix Wright case, and just thinking about how similar to a former president Amber seems with the inability to not lie for no reason, to blame everyone and everything that doesn't go her way, to find the most incompetent and cartoon-villainish to poorly fight for their side of events with bullshit expertise and flawed methods of evidence and reaching conclusions, unrelenting inability to not dig deeper into lies or read the room, and complete and utter abuse of the victim card.

Obama wasn't that bad

Did Amber just slap on a pair of oversized glasses in the middle of Camille's closing arguments? She must have been waiting to bust those out as a last resort.

Amber's glasses have been off and on. But it doesn't appear she actually needs them to read? Like she'll read things fine when asked but sometimes puts them on to read. They only appeared after the first time Johnny started wearing his though.

I woke up early by complete happenstance and I've been able to watch the entirety of the closing arguments so far. They did exactly what they needed to do. They calmly explained the timeline of events and all of Amber's outright lies and lack of tangible evidence. Ben going through the jury instructions was masterful and perfect, and him proclaiming that they don't need to give him more than $1 seals it. He made it clear that it's not about the money, it's just about his reputation.

They also made note that it's not about believing Amber or Johnny, it's about believing Johnny and literally every single person who spoke up.

I anticipate a lot of theatrics and nonsense for Amber's side because what else do they have at this point?

Johnny's self-characterization is pretty much how I was explaining him. He admits he's not perfect. He admits he's... difficult. But he doesn't hurt anyone. He doesn't play games. He's just high maintenance. And anyone he marries ought to know that.

The TMZ plot twist was INSANE btw. If it really was Amber's team that did this to attempt to disqualify someone damning to their case as a witness..... if proven, is that criminal? Thank goodness that Ben Chew is good at improvisation. Did Elaine not for one second think that such a move could backfire?

Yet another curveball in an incredible spectacle. This trial is the best new reality show in a LONG time, and it will probably crack my "Top 10 Reality Seasons."

So... Johnny might've gotten a black eye in Photoshop, but Amber couldn't have had it taken away? I'd side with the person who is not a pathological liar. Rottenborn was desperate and it's pretty obvious why Johnny doesn't like him. He's an asshole. Presenting falsified evidence like this (the "incoming" texts presented as Johnny's) could be criminal, if he wasn't simply mistaken. The actual texts Johnny sent were absolutely SCATHING, and I loved every word of them. I hope they catch on and more people refer to Ms. Turd and, um, "Mollusk" in that manner.

Johnny's testimony was rather rough. But at this point I don't think the Turds have a shot since they had to take so much time to cross-examine. And they had to fake evidence - presenting those as his texts 100% confirms that Amber defamed him. Because accrediting something that negative to someone who did not write it is defamation itself. BAD move should the jury notice.

Morgan Tremaine might have damned the Turds the most, because he basically confirmed that Amber staged the whole thing. And then his SAVAGE burn on Elaine, saying she's seeking HER 15 minutes by being Amber's henchwoman. I giggled. She's getting her 15 minutes but the entire Internet hates her guts. Camille, however, is awesome, and everybody loves her. I don't think she did this for the fame. She may be doing this to gain recognition as a defamation attorney, but not to be followed by TMZ or get marriage proposals from incels.

Bryan Numeister and Beverly Leonard then each delivered yet another nail in the coffin. I really have no doubt left at this point. Amber deliberately edited photos to amplify "injuries" that didn't exist. And trying to discredit him because he doesn't have pieces of paper... yikes. Experience speaks more loudly. That said, Rottenborn III has none of it. I doubt he'll get anywhere with a career if he's going to open himself to ridicule like this. Same goes for Elaine trying to project her desire for 15 minutes of fame onto all of Johnny's witnesses. Like... the fact is, these people are MAD that Amber is dragging them into this, so they're testifying against her. That is indeed pretty nuts. The country is united against this villain and here's hoping she gets a fitting comeuppance.

Wednesday down! Lots more to get done though. Thanks, Biscuit, for all these recaps - I'm enjoying them and only adding my own thoughts because I want to lol

Rottenborn did the right thing by arguing the law in his closing. He pressured them that if Johnny abused her once, that means Amber didn't lie. He also added a bunch of bullshit in there but it was as effective as it could be.

Elaine was the fucking worst though. She misrepresented the law continually as well as the jury instructions, then misrepresented multiple testimonies to the point Ben Chew had to object multiple times. Elaine was horrific.

They have 2 hours to do these, including rebuttal, and Rottenborn went with 1h25m so Elaine had to scramble on her end and it was a mess that was impossible to follow.

They're left with 9 minutes for rebuttal while Depp's team has I believe 42 minutes.

Edit: Actually, let me correct that.

Amber: 6 minutes left
Depp: 39 minutes left

Just wondering, why doesn't Rottenborn do the entire closing? Like he can't do everything in a 6 week trial. But, it shouldn't be an issue for this right and just skipping Elaine, right?

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Just wondering, why doesn't Rottenborn do the entire closing? Like he can't do everything in a 6 week trial. But, it shouldn't be an issue for this right and just skipping Elaine, right?

I think they believe she has more emotional appeal while Rottenborn is far more technical. I don't know another reason. But she was just completely terrible here.

But Camille came back and killed it. And because of Elaine, she was able to discredit the credibility of what the lawyers were presenting by pointing out all of her misinterpretations of the various witnesses.

Rottenborn did the best he could with 6 minutes though, just... not great though.

Supposedly one of the lawyers who got released was #9 who was giving Amber the stink eye for the majority of the trial. Too bad! That guy sounded like he was amazing.

I wouldn't be shocked if there was a decision today honestly, whereas I would have before these closing arguments.

Jurors sent home for the weekend. Deliberation continues on Tuesday.

Depp's surgeon was a lot more credible than Amber's guy because he had been given a more complete picture of the case. Amber's guy looked like a clown because of her lawyers. They legit embarrassed him and I hope he doesn't have career damage from this simply because he was provided only the evidence necessary to come to Amber's side's conclusion - which came out at cross. Not much else to say here.

Computer forensics guy (CFG from here on) did not look like he knew anything. The fact that these photos were saved through an editing program says that they were edited. I am open about photos that I've edited, and I would NEVER EVER edit something like a bruise onto a photo. These were clearly edited. And the Turds are basically saying "see? They weren't!" but like with the hand surgeon, they embarrassed the guy by not giving him all the info so he could present the mistruth they wanted him to. It's scummy. Did they not realize that cross-examinations would humiliate their witnesses because of their lack of providing proper information?

Is Dr. Hughes a quack? I mean, only quacks tout how qualified they are - it's showing off because they don't have anything other than the pieces of paper those qualifications are printed on. And only a quack would analyze Amber as an abuse victim. She's not a good witness here because, unlike Dr. Curry, she was rushed because of the Turds running low on time. She was also red in the face. It seemed like she knew she was wrong and was trying to save face. Which is why I relished in Wayne destroying her. Like... "go back to two years ago-" when the test says in the past year. Dr. Hughes didn't add anything to the Turds' case.

And having the harpy herself testify to close the show is... yikes. You DO realize that means Camille gets to scorch her again, right? Such a dumb idea. ("The Depp-Waldman Statements" line is SO bad now that we know Johnny had nothing to do with them.) The jury clearly isn't buying her changes of emotions and her looking at them constantly to try to own her moves. There's no way she can sway them. She's done. We didn't get a verdict yet because the jury probably dismissed Amber's counter-claim and then was discussing how much to give Johnny (that's where they probably disagree).

When she said "I'm not coming into this courtroom smiling. I'm not making snide jokes. I'm not." I could NOT hold back my laughter. We literally saw her smiling and making jokes with her lawyers numerous times. I hope the jury did too. She's turning on the tears and pretending she's human (that's a lie, too) to gain sympathy. She's acting like there's this huge trauma because one innocent lawyer called her on her bullshit and nobody cared. She whines about threats but she's caused so many setbacks for actual abuse victims by being an abuser who projects her misdeeds onto her victims. Total hypocrite. She actually DOES things instead of just threatening them! And then she says she NEVER LIED! I could not stop laughing. It's absolutely pathetic. I do hope the social workers take her baby away from her. That kid deserves a fair shot at life instead of being a ragdoll.

Even so, I am 100% Team Camille here. If there are 27 people who corroborate one story and one person who says they're all lying and can't prove anything... pretty clear on that one. Camille just put all the pieces of the puzzle together in the climactic showdown because Amber let her just by taking the witness stand again. And she damned herself by asking "What actual survivor of domestic violence wants that?" SHE JUST ADMITTED SHE'S NOT ONE! And she's panicking like CRAZY like the killer always does when Phoenix Wright catches them in their lies. I was legit hearing "Cornered" music in my head.as Camille amped up the carnage. This was awesome. Just. Plain. Awesome.

I love how Amber tried to explain metadata to the jury when her expert had just explained it two hours prior. That's another knock! Amber is really good at improvisational lying but is by no means a good actress. In other words: She can come up with the bullshit but not sell it. And because she's improvising it all, it's so easy to catch her in lies. WHAT A CLIMAX! Like... seriously.

Amber's changes of emotions, the cringey "Depp-Waldman Statements" moniker that is wholly false, the way she looks him in the eye but he can't look at her, her rudeness with objections and ditching court early, and that the liar can be either dozens of people OR just one person who's already been caught.... all that makes it pretty obvious. She is freaking mental. She is legit accusing a huge amount of people of perjury...while crumbling at her own lies being pointed out.

Needless to say, that breakdown was incredible, and I took great pleasure in Camille just OWNING her. But... this can't be good for Amber's mental health, can it? She's been caught lying but will refuse to accept a favorable verdict for Johnny. I doubt she will be get a higher court to hear an appeal. Once that happens, if she's charged with perjury - in whichever of Australia, the UK, or California gets to it first - it won't be pretty...

I will probably watch Amber's breakdown again tomorrow. Her own testimony damned her (one clueless talking head on the channel I'm watching this one said it helped her... what the hell was he watching?) in the best way possible. That certainly gave me the laughs I needed right now. She wants to be taken seriously... and because she can't admit ever doing wrong, nobody does.

Great how Amber undercut her whole defense and threw it out the window while her counter claim shriveled up and died on the spot.

Pretty gross how her lawyer basically insinuated that everyday working people would purger themselves for "15 minutes of fame".

This was an interesting trial to watch and an example of what it looks like to have your shit together or what it looks like trying to defend the indefensible.

The inevitable crossover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5mKgtN0dIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMyD8LRlA6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2vykurvhH0

So I'll be on a trip and won't be able to do a summary of the closing arguments. I encourage everyone to just watch them for yourself anyway! This link has the entirety of them, but you may need to skip around past the breaks.

https://youtu.be/_vthMuZzoXg

GavsEvans123 posted...

The inevitable crossover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5mKgtN0dIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMyD8LRlA6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2vykurvhH0

It's about time. Loved that first one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_a-CKrx4t0

Retag

What do you guys think the verdict will be this upcoming Tuesday?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/7/AAaB-xAADRux.jpg

The first one was hilarious, but it moved too fast for me to be able to appreciate all the details of the sprite work and evidence. Since it went WAY too fast.

The second one... the Amber/Dahlia comparison sounds pretty spot-on. They have this appearance to them to mask their cold-blooded psychopathy. The April May in the third one ALSO works because of how she can switch personas on a dime from the teary-eyed facade to the brutal truth. Now that she's been unmasked, her career is fucked. I am firmly aboard the #BoycottAmberHeard train. I will never see Aquaman 2 unless she is removed from it.

Rewatching her breakdown... she really thinks this ONE statement that she LIED that Johnny endorsed has made her HARASSED and HUMILIATED. She sued him over literal nothing. Rottenborn talked about statements that Johnny made... WHAT statements? Adam Waldman is NOT Johnny Depp. Trauma from statements that one lawyer nobody had heard of until this trial had made. Triggers from... a "hoax." Uhhhh... WHAT? There was no negative press covfefe about those statements until Amber brought it upon herself. She "wants her voice back" but... she's been using that voice at this trial and it's been revealed how ugly of a person she is.

Jury instructions... not sure what all that was. I did watch it, but I'm pretty green to all this legal stuff. From what I gather, these mostly went Depp's way aside from one thing - Waldman not having free speech protections. But even so, those had nothing to do with Johnny, didn't cause Amber's downfall, and were proven wholly true. Which shouldn't matter because there's no chance Amber wins anything. She outright testified that she wrote the op-ed with malicious intent. It was over once she said that. Pretty sure this is open-and-shut. Johnny wins - but I don't know how much $$. Amber's not getting a cent.

Just starting the closing statements though. Camille is already pointing out all the things the jury needs to remember.

ZannoL posted... What do you guys think the verdict will be this upcoming Tuesday?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/7/AAaB-xAADRux.jpg

omg - Johnny's such a cool customer while Amber is... YIPES. A+ pic!

The only thing that really caught my attention is when Camille went "A Time to Kill" all over their asses.

"Now imagine Mr. Depp had said this to Mrs. Heard" or whatever the line was.