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PrivateBiscuit1
05/18/22 11:29:35 AM
#51:


Maniac64 posted...
Am I missing something? IO backing up Amber's claims seems like it would definitely help her case. As now it isn't just Amber's word and IO is also claiming to have seen signs of physical abuse. Is it enough to make up for Amber's cross? Probably not but I would definitely say it helps.

On the other hand Rocky sounds like they should have been a witness for Depp and I have no idea why they got called by Amber's team. She literally made multiple statements that point to Amber having lied on the stand multiple times and doesn't back up any claims. A hugely damaging witness for Amber's side.
It's how he came across, which is horribly. He came across as someone who claimed he was the most important person in both Amber and Johnny's relationship and did everything for them and was just a self-important blow hard. He's a starfucker. He literally claimed to have never seen anything and that all of his information came from Amber and when asked to provide details on how Johnny was different on different drugs he would just get irritated and angry and essentially said he couldn't accurately explain why.

And his story about the last incident with the phone is completely different from Amber's story as well in some significant details.

The problem is that after Amber's stories had been torn apart and she was exposed as a grotesque liar, anyone backing her up as her friends also shows no merit. This should have gone on before Amber, because it would have been more believable then. Showing it now, after it's been pointed out how untrue and absurd that Amber's story is so completely in cross, anything else is just white noise unless someone has actual proof that isn't "I saw aftermath" or "Amber told me".

Like Rocky just said she never saw any physical violence from Johnny at any point. So why is she here? iO said he saw no physical violence. Again, why is HE here now? Nothing they do are bolstering any of Amber's claims in any sort of meaningful way. They aren't adding anything to Amber's stories. They're just here to go "Yup, I was also here and Amber was right about everything." It's pointless since it appears most of the jury already distrusts everything Amber said.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/18/22 12:14:30 PM
#52:


Rocky saw all of the pictures of Amber's mild "injuries" before the James Corden show when she was with Depp's attorneys just sighing, bored, uninterested.

And then when she's looking at them when Amber's counsel is speaking with her she's sobbing over them.

Like come on.

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BlueCrystalTear
05/18/22 1:51:20 PM
#53:


Oh hey, we finally had a witness that's corroborating some of Amber's lies.

Thing is, all he's showing is that Johnny had a tantrum. Johnny was dysregulated yet is nice enough to hold himself back from hurting someone he cares about. Amber didn't want to file a report because it would have made her look bad. Not to protect Johnny. Because Johnny hadn't hurt her - she had staged it. Possible timeline fuckery happening.

If Amber's sister is caught in her sister's lies... welp. Here we go.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/18/22 4:42:17 PM
#54:


Whitney Heard, Amber's sister, testified a completely different story of the staircase incident than Amber or anyone else has told. And Whitney witnessed Johnny punch Amber in the face repeatedly and then tried to convince them to not break up.

Amber looked fucking pissed at her the whole time, and I'm sure she will beat the shit out of her like she has for Whitney's entire life.

Just giving that little spoiler for the upcoming rebuttal where Whitney's former best friend that disowned her because she wouldn't lie for Amber and Whitney in the UK trial that will testify that Whitney told her Amber blew off Johnny's finger and that Amber would beat the shit out of Whitney enough that Jennifer would let Whitney live with her at times because of it.

The cross seemed lacking, but it was entirely just to establish these facts for Jennifer Howell to come in and expose literally everything Whitney Heard said as a lie.

Whitney is a spineless rat. And yet she was the only person Amber could convince to come in and testify on her behalf.

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Axl_Rose_85
05/18/22 4:43:08 PM
#55:


Didn't someone say Heard had a kick the puppy kinda relationship with her sister. I wouldn't be surprised if her sister goes along with her lies because she might be too scared not to do so.
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PrivateBiscuit1
05/18/22 4:46:38 PM
#56:


Axl_Rose_85 posted...
Didn't someone say Heard had a kick the puppy kinda relationship with her sister. I wouldn't be surprised if her sister goes along with her lies because she might be too scared not to do so.
Yes, exactly. Jennifer Howell is going to testify to exactly that, and every awful story that Whitney has ever told her about Amber and that Whitney was "absolutely terrified of her".

Anything Whitney said here will be completely discounted in the jury's mind come her testimony. That will be a good one.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/18/22 4:54:13 PM
#57:


Enjoy this thread about Jennifer Howell.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/19/22 3:28:07 AM
#58:


DAY 18

So this was a... better day for Amber Heard? Who now decided screw it, she's wearing more make up now. Another notable thing is that the first time through the trial, after rumors came out that they were having heated arguments, Amber and Elaine have been cheerfully talking and hugging each other now. It feels very performative.

We continue with Rocky's bullshit. She must have been sedated for this shit because she just took forever to answer questions and was outrageously unconvincing. Depp's team showed a bunch of pictures from the James Corden Show incident where she was brutally beaten, had her hair torn out, among other things. Rocky is perfectly fine then, just answering the questions like whatever. They do make sure to point out the knife on the bed and Rocky was like "I dunno what that is." Camille did a good job in this video deposition making sure Rocky's entire story was just ridiculously inconclusive and pointless. And she's supposed to be the one who was here for all of this and she was so cagey to give any details.

She literally at one point asked if they could show her a picture so she could remember where the injuries were. Obviously, they don't. Rocky claimed that Amber also had a laceration on her head before the James Corden Show, but as you might recall, there has never been any story where that's been a thing before this. And no pictures reflect that at all.

Basically, Rocky is another one of Amber's friends who were super worried about Amber being beaten up all the time, made no effort to actually try to get her out of that relationship or express concern, and were happy living in the same group of penthouses with a violent abuser that almost killed your friend and leeching off of him.

So after being stone-faced and bored looking at all of the photos of the aftermath of Johnny beating up Amber before, Rocky was sobbing while looking at them now that Amber's team was asking the question. Hey dummy, did you forget these have a chance of being played in court? Just incredibly fake to anyone with sense. But she was "sad for Johnny" because he couldn't get it together.

There is nothing to gather from this that Amber hasn't already said. Like, she could have given something valuable, but she just hasn't seen anything. She kept her statements very short and without any actual detail and didn't actually provide anything new. And it's just "Amber told me". There's a reason that Amber didn't beg and plead Rocky and iO and the rest of her goon squad to come in person, because they knew that the moment that they get asked hard questions on cross, it all falls apart, just like it did with Amber. It's not even worth summarizing because it's literally the same stuff we heard from Amber.

They show pictures to Rocky, we're looking at them, and she's saying "She had two awful black eyes" and like you can see them if you really squint maybe. If you already look at these pictures and say "These are bullshit" then having Rocky swear up and down she sees injuries there, what are you going to believe? It's just more crazy gaslighting.

Looking at the pictures of aftermath of things Johnny supposedly destroyed are a bunch of pictures in glass frames that weren't damaged at all and neatly laying on one another. They can't even commit when framing this scene to actually breaking stuff. It's just a mild mess and Rocky was acting traumatized over it. Girl, it looks like Johnny was just taking a box of papers and tilted it to the side gently.

Another interesting picture of Amber at the courthouse waiting for her restraining order, looking sad on a bench with her publicist sitting beside her, while the publicist was on the phone. Gee, I wonder who she was calling. Couldn't have been paparazzi.

That's it for Rocky. Next is her now ex-husband Josh, who was actually somehow the best of Amber's friend group for Amber's case, and the jury was actually interested in his story. Mostly, it was so much more different because he actually provided detail and was actually engaging in conversation with them and he just seems like a well-meaning idiot, in a neutral manner, but he's also a freeloading piece of shit. He just seemed like he didn't have much to hide here. But like everyone else, he never saw Johnny be violent with Amber.

Of course, while he was better for Amber, he was still contradicting a lot of Amber's story too. To support, he claimed Johnny did arrive to Amber's birthday party drunk, when everyone on Johnny's end has maintained he had maybe one glass of wine to drink during the multi-hour meeting he was at. But he also said that Amber was wasted by the time Johnny got there too.

Concerning the last incident with the police arriving, Josh had claimed that Amber's attorney asked them to put together a story. Uhhhhh. That's suspect. There's a problem with Josh's telling of this, in that he claimed that there was a giant mess there when the cops arrived the second time, and they didn't know there was body cam footage at the time. WHOOPS. He also said that Johnny got in his face and screamed at him but he won't tell us what he said, before he left the penthouses that night. Josh, who wanted everyone to know how much of a cool badass he is, said he wasn't feeling threatened despite him getting a foot away from him. He also mentioned no more than twice that he would have kicked Johnny's ass if he knew what he did to Amber before. Not great for Amber's argument of how menacing and scary he was though.

He also told us that Amber had gotten not only her locks changed on her penthouse door, but also iO and Rocky/Josh's locks too. Also her demands for the divorce were that her and her friends keep those penthouses specifically, and fuck the rest of them.

Josh also informed us that while Johnny was away, Amber had more than 30 people visiting her at night that did not live there. But remember guys, Johnny was CRAZY for thinking Amber was cheating on him.

His testimony was mostly just a more credible Rocky/iO testimony. It's just nothing substantial. Good witness, overall, for Amber. Maybe the best one of the day for her? But then you have to assume the cops with body cams are lying.

Next is Whitney Heard, Amber's sister. I'll just summarize Whitney as a person before this. Whitney has been abused emotionally and physically by Amber her entire life, according to her closest friend who will be a rebuttal witness, and she begged said closest friend to not testify in the UK trial when she was called. Whitney is a spineless rat and you could just see the contempt that Amber had for her during her entire testimony. Oh, and she also freeloaded and lived in the penthouses too.

Also, she claimed to be sick and left her deposition after Amber's team asked questions. So she was due to do another deposition, but Amber's team said if that happens they deserve to receive all of that time too, not Depp's lawyers. Ultimately, there was a lot of arguments between both parties on whether or not Amber could appear as a witness in this trial because of this, but we never knew how the Judge ruled. We still don't, but my educated guess is that what she was allowed to testify about was SEVERELY limited as a result because all she talked about was foundational stuff and then the staircase incident. Nothing else.

Her testimony was BS, she was a solid witness regardless, but apparently the jury hated her so they probably smelled the BS off it. She used more Amber talking points about Johnny being controlling. She was always so concerned about Johnny's sobriety but claimed to be doing cocaine with him regularly. She claims to have seen Johnny throw a steak knife at someone too. Oh, and contrary to what most people have said about drunk Johnny, she said it's obvious to see when he's drunk because he's slurring and spilling stuff.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/19/22 3:28:24 AM
#59:


Two hearsay objections into Whitney's testimony and the Judge made it very clear she's not going to hear any of Elaine's arguments anymore and sounded pissed off already. I feel like a very lengthy conversation happened where the Judge reprimanded Elaine pretty hard for that, which makes sense. It was a giant waste of time with Amber and the Judge had to be sick of it by now. Fortunately, Whitney isn't a horrific witness like Amber, so she wasn't a problem in that regard.

Whitney talks about the staircase incident and it's just literally a completely different story than anyone has said. Like entirely. It's fucking bananas. But she says Amber told her that Johnny was cheating on her. But she claims when they were arguing over it, Johnny "hurled" a Redbull can at Nurse Debbie and then says she didn't notice or react to a whole ass can being thrown at her.

Heroicly, Whitney runs up to try separating the argument. Johnny smacks her in the back, away from where she'd fall down the stairs. Amber says don't hit my fucking sister and then punches Johnny. Travis McGivirn runs up after. Johnny then grabs Amber by the hair and begins repeatedly smashing Amber in the face with his other hand, somehow with Whitney between them. Travis separates them and Whitney pulls Amber into a room and locks them in. Johnny then destroyed a bunch of Amber's stuff AFTER that, rather than before.

Like she delivered all of this fine and in a credible enough manner, but this is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than anything anyone else has said. So how much are you going to believe her now?

"If anyone knows anything about Amber, it's that the things she values most are honesty and integrity. Her reputation is all she has."

Alright, nevermind. All credibility lost. Whitney was used to explain how distraught that the article she's counter-suing over (from Johnny's UK lawyer) made her.

That's literally it for her direct. This was so short, and I think that's why she wasn't allowed to talk about a ton here.

Also, the woman for Depp's team doing cross introduced herself to Whitney and said "We actually haven't met before." Welp, that means Depp's team never got the chance to depose her.

I mentioned it before, but this was a pretty masterful cross in terms of getting everything they wanted to set up concerning Whitney. They cut out any and all bullshit. They wanted her to establish her relationship with Amber, her financial situation, her relationship with Johnny, the basic details of the staircase incident, and when she was supposedly aware of Johnny beating Amber.

She says she wasn't even hurt during the staircase incident when Johnny had smacked her, and that she took all these pictures of the damage Johnny caused but not any of Amber's beaten up face. And that despite witnessing Johnny smashing her sister's face in repeatedly, she was still trying to get them to stay together, claiming she was "trying to be supportive of what her sister wanted" and that it wasn't her place to suggest they break up. Just imagine how insane that sounds. Who would do this?

The thing is, all of it is going to be destroyed by Whitney's former best friend, Jennifer Howell who will talk about how Amber routinely beat the shit out of Whitney and give the truth that she told her about the staircase incident which was that she was trying to stop Amber because she thought Amber was going to kill Johnny, and how Whitney told her that Amber blew off Johnny's finger. And they also established that they were extremely close. Basically, they didn't actually need to hear Whitney bullshit her way through answers. They don't need her to try muddling anything else. Jennifer Howell will prove Whitney is the liar she is. And there was no re-direct.

Back to boring ass video depositions with Elizabeth Marz. This is one of Rocky's friends that she brought to secretly live inside Johnny's penthouses without informing him and he told her to get off of his property. Apparently she is a "Self-Love Coach" also. These people suck. But her relevance here is that she was there the night of the last incident.

She was a vapid human who hated being asked hard questions and gave quite possibly the least convincing answers a person could possibly give and nothing about her was believable. She said that night his behavior was "frightening to her" because he stormed out of the penthouse and was "clearly wasted" but she absolutely remembered him saying "get your bitch out of here". But she was VERY afraid of him. When she was asked to elaborate on anything she struggled a lot to explain it. Also, she said Amber wore very little make-up and described her as someone who only wore make-up when she was going out for something in particular. WHOOPS TO THAT NARRATIVE.

But she did say when she went to check on Amber that night that her face was swollen. But more importantly, she is the ONLY one to claim that Amber was putting ice on her face after this before the police arrived. Gee, I wonder what happens if you put ice on your face for a while. But she also claimed her swollen face was definitely from being hit. She also couldn't tell us anything that was broken.

I mean, she was fine for Amber's case I guess? I don't know how much she helps at all.

Next up is Melanie, the French stylist for Amber. She was kind of another nothing witness. She does Amber's make-up. She was there to help with Amber's make-up for the James Corden show and maintains Amber had injuries then. She also testified to Amber's attitude before and after the divorce filing which you can guess. She also was apparently crying at this point? I dunno, it was weird but I believed it.

A month before Melanie gave this deposition, that's when she said she would no longer be friends with Amber. So yet another friend that Amber ran out of her life. She said it was because all of Amber's drama was just all-consuming and she just didn't want to be a part of it anymore.

But she also maintained she never saw Johnny do anything and she went only by Amber's words. And she just got so angry during the cross too, but not iO levels. More just frustrated. But she seems even more crazy because they show her a bunch of pictures and videos of her at the James Corden Show and she asks if she can see any of the injuries on them and she kept saying yes and that you can tell her lip was swollen. Aight. She also claimed you can see a cut that wasn't there either, likely similar to Rocky's. Her deposition was before Rocky's, so I assume they asked Rocky after about it and Rocky went "Oh yeah, totally" without seeing the picture first. But she maintains she did such a great job nobody could see any injuries, but she can see them looking at the pictures. So weird.

Melanie also said she had experience covering bruises and actually making bruises with make-up. You don't say? She also said that Amber had no injuries on her after being assaulted and drug through glass the night of her birthday.

This was a fine witness for Amber, but it's still a hard sell since we have seen those pictures of her with barely any injuries for being brutally assaulted. It's weird.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/19/22 3:29:15 AM
#60:


Next up is Kristy Sexton, Amber's acting coach. She clearly can't be that good of a coach. We didn't get through this one yet. She said she never saw violence and only just heard stuff from Amber. Nothing important, just repeating a lot of the same allegations.

Important bits is that Kristy said Amber had difficulties forcing herself to cry when acting. YOU DON'T SAY? And guess what? The jury really noticed that one, according to people from there, and it was said they all perked up after that. Remember how many tears we saw from Amber on the stand when it seemed like she was trying to cry? Do you think... maybe... she was acting?

She also stated that Amber told her that Johnny cut his finger with a broken bottle. Well, that seems to be a lot different than Amber telling everyone now it was from a phone that doesn't seem to exist.

Kristy was also at the campfire and saw the aftermath and she said Amber was shaken up the morning after and Johnny was apologizing and saying that he can take care of it, referring to the damage in the trailer that was trashed. It's very weird that Amber said she doesn't remember anything about Kristy being there and consoling her. She also said that later on that trip everyone was saying things about what they love about Amber and Johnny said that he remembered the imprint of her ass on his couch and that it made things weird. I dunno.

What's really weird is that there has been a trend of Amber reaching out a month before everyone's deposition, including Kristy, after not having spoken to people for years. It was the same for every witness so far--and this is a common question to ask, which is why we know.

This witness was actually the most credible. She told believable stories about Johnny's character of him being kind of a dick. It's so weird that nobody else can testify to any of these stories too, with other people there?

That's it for today though.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/19/22 3:32:50 AM
#61:


Oh shit, I forgot to mention that Whitney Heard tried to sit with Amber's team behind their bench and they forced her to sit with everyone else. She had the most angry, sour look on her face for the rest of the day. And the whole jury could see her. She just glared at everyone with a giant boo boo face.

https://twitter.com/YasiMsHouse/status/1527067281573916672?s=20&t=xfRuMn1Xnmz9ZKB4ZnQVNQ

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Waluigi1
05/19/22 6:33:56 AM
#62:


Just spent like, 5 hours catching up on these topics lol. I caught Charlie's reaction to Amber's cross-examination and it reignited my interest and now here I am. Man, she is truly a psychopath.
And I wanted to once again thank Biscuit for the write-ups!

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/19/22 10:48:26 AM
#63:


Oh hey, a Juror ran late so that means I'm not starting as far behind today!

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/19/22 11:21:46 AM
#64:


I'm through one witness and he came on to say "FOR SOME CRAZY REASON Johnny said I stabbed him in the back four years ago. He also did drugs and drugs are bad." I cannot understand why they bothered with this dude.

From what I understand the rest so far are basically "johnny bad" people that had nothing to do with anything. And the next one is one of the agents that grifted him out of a ton of money.

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Nok_Su_Kow
05/19/22 11:59:01 AM
#65:


Hopefully Jury checked out with AH and are just riding out the trial. I don't think there's anything else here compelling or compatible with her story, just the continued narrative of "believe AH, Johnny bad guy".
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PrivateBiscuit1
05/19/22 12:16:52 PM
#66:


There is an older juror who just hates Amber Heard and is just angry now all the time. He's been not paying any attention to her side of the case after cross examination, and apparently today he is dead ass sitting there with his eyes closed for it all. They are not getting this dude back.

The rest of the jurors range from "barely paying attention and hating it" to "paying attention some of the time, but still mostly bored".

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swordz9
05/19/22 12:34:58 PM
#67:


There are seemingly still a decent amount of people online who believe Heard somehow even though she cant seem to keep any story straight or provide any real evidence
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mnkboy907
05/19/22 1:04:36 PM
#68:


It seems like most of her supporters simply aren't paying attention to the trial. And because so many right-wing woman-hating asshats are using Depp to go off on their tangents and berate the "woke", they're just closing themselves off to the facts of the case and reinforcing their belief in Heard.

Despite everything the trial is proving in Depp's favor, if he still loses, I think the lack of proper media coverage will hurt his chances of really recovering his image and career. It sucks.

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TheRock1525
05/19/22 1:11:07 PM
#69:


He just made like $5 million doing a cologne commercial recently. His image was already pretty well rehabbed before the trial even started. That's why people were largely already on Depp's side heading into trial because most of this information isn't new.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/19/22 1:23:39 PM
#70:


Adam Waldman was put on here for Amber's case, and he needed to be because he's the one they were counter-suing over the statement he made in Rolling Stone about this being a hoax, claiming he was speaking on behalf of Johnny. Elaine who is awful kept getting stone-walled by attorney client privilege and then Rottenborn came up here and asked him questions in which the LAPD was looking into perjury for things Amber said and the man dead ass named 27 people who all offered a statement that Amber didn't have any marks on her in the days leading to her getting a restraining order, including her dopey friends we have seen testified.

If I had to guess, they will move to dismiss the counter-claim and I think it will be granted, because they have offered no proof that Adam Waldman made these statements on behalf of Johnny or by instruction from Johnny.

But they had to put him on to even have a shot at getting the counter-claim forward but he just absolutely devastated their case. I'm legitimately shocked because oh my god he destroyed them and pointed out that all of their credibility is shot.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/19/22 1:51:19 PM
#71:


I cannot believe they got a domestic abuse investigation officer to come on for Amber's case and do nothing but affirm that the officers that showed up did the right thing in their investigation.

What.

How.

Why.

I can't actually believe they brought this person on.

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CoolCly
05/19/22 2:08:09 PM
#72:


is there a jury cam somewhere ? i feel like i never see them in the streams iv seen

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/19/22 2:13:47 PM
#73:


CoolCly posted...
is there a jury cam somewhere ? i feel like i never see them in the streams iv seen
No, absolutely not. They don't want to encourage jury intimidation.

But there's been people who have been going to court for a lot of the days who have been discussing what they see on some streams and on Twitter. JamesfromCourt and RunkleoftheBailey (who is a lawyer) have been posting thoughts on Twitter. LawandLumber lives in the area and plans to attend next week too.

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CassandraCain
05/19/22 2:15:13 PM
#74:


I figure it's probably illegal or at least unethical to film the jury.

But god damn if Amber doesn't remind you constantly of where they are with her nonstop shifty eyes.

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BlueCrystalTear
05/19/22 2:20:01 PM
#75:


Amber's trying to make eye contact with the jury so they know what moves she's making to win the game. The problem is that the "game" is defamation and not Survivor, so these people aren't voting for her to win a million dollars.

It seems as if Amber's witnesses are contradicting her. Anyone who still supports her after this gets blocked because they're condoning abuse and are therefore a likely abuser themselves. The alt-right nuts who are using this are also awful. Like... this is just ONE case where a harpy abused a man. It does not exemplify all cases.

I got bored of all these video deppositions that amount to a whole lotta nothing. "Oh, Amber told me so" crap. If they dismiss the counter-claim because there's zero foundation for it, it will allow for the option of the neutral verdict where nobody gets anything from the other. Right now, the jury has to pick someone to pay the other. Amber has no case, so...

And yes, that spelling was deliberate.

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05/19/22 2:34:51 PM
#76:


oh god

amber turd

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/19/22 3:06:57 PM
#77:


Pro legal strat: Bring on a witness that shows how much the public hates your client online.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/19/22 3:15:25 PM
#78:


"So you would agree that Justice for Johnny Depp is a good thing?"

"That's not part of my assignment."

"But you'll agree with me that justice in general is a good thing?"

"I'm a big fan of justice."

"Aww, me too. No further questions, Your Honor."

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CassandraCain
05/19/22 3:47:44 PM
#79:


Oh man I can't wait to see a clip of that.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/19/22 5:30:47 PM
#80:


Jesus Christ.

They had a depo from Amber's former talent agent talking about how she supposedly lost work but that normally it's never announced (which makes Johnny very special for it) and then said that nobody wants anyone who is accused of abuse in any of their movies.

I mean I know they need her to prove their counter-claim but this is just devastating.

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BlueCrystalTear
05/19/22 5:53:02 PM
#81:


So, in their desperation to prove the absurd counter-claim, they only ended up proving that Johnny lost work due to Amber's accusations?

The reason she's losing work now is due to herself and going forward with this trial. Her distortions are getting the better of her judgment.

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05/20/22 12:46:57 AM
#82:


All of the defense has been largely video depositions of former friends and acquaintances who for whatever reason grew apart from AH. And for the most part they end up supporting Depp or weren't even necessary in the first place. I think the jury and judge can see they are waffling and wasting everyone's time at this point. I've seen enough.
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05/20/22 12:49:45 AM
#83:


Is there a rough timeline for what the rest of the trial looks like?

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05/20/22 1:35:46 AM
#84:


DAY 19

So in short, this day was a complete disaster for Amber Heard. Anything they built up from yesterday was destroyed because their case is so god damn bad. Assume all of these are video depositions unless I say otherwise.

We start off with a guy who used to be Johnny's friend and also brother-in-law named Bruce Witkin. The backstory here is that he stole millions of dollars from Johnny. So at one point he says Johnny claimed he stabbed him in the back, but he said it was CRAZY. But that's why.

There is literally nothing to gleen from this testimony aside from Johnny doing drugs, getting jealous, and that he thought Dr. Kipper is a real piece of shit that was robbing Johnny out of money. He said once he saw grab marks on Amber's arm once, but they tried to get him to say they were from a hit but he was very clear it was just from being grabbed. I have nothing more to say about Bruce Witkin.

Tracy Jacobs was up next and was Johnny Depp's talent agent. She was one of many people involved in robbing him of his money as well. She basically talked about how he would be late sometimes (the horror) and came across as very bitter that he dropped her. She referred Johnny to Dr. Kipper. That seems like reason enough to fire her, frankly. But she was just a damages witness and acted like Johnny was the reason he didn't get more work. But he dropped her a while back and he went on to do more Pirates movies so uhhh clearly his attitude wasn't the issue. But she kept acting like he made her the biggest movie star in the world.

Also apparently Johnny Depp was going to be in an Invisible Man movie before they made it lower budget with Elizabeth Moss as the lead. But that was probably the most interesting part of this.

Joel Mandel was up next, and he is an absolute pile of shit that was Johnny's business manager that robbed him of all of that money. Johnny Depp has since sued and settled for $10+ million dollars in a lawsuit. So he certainly didn't have an agenda here.

Basically, he claimed Johnny's spending was out of control, and he spent more money on drugs and alcohol, which imagine that when you have no less than 5 freeloading party losers living at your place and Amber is spending the monthly budget of a Total Wine on her own alcohol over a week.

Hilariously, Joel Mandel also didn't pay Johnny's taxes properly for a very long time and tried to weasel his way out of it being his fault despite it literally being his job. This had nothing else to it, honestly.

Also, the Judge was so fed up with Elaine not turning on her fucking microphone like she's told her to do for days now to the point that she's ignoring Elaine and Amber Heard has literally had to turn the mic on for her. Absolutely incredible.

Next up is Adam Waldman, who was Johnny Depp's UK attorney. His statements in Rolling Stone where he said Amber Heard concocted a hoax is the basis for Amber's counter-claim. So they needed to bring him on to justify it. Amber filing a counter-claim has absolutely screwed her, because this witness obliterated her and was so damaging.

Here's the problem though. Literally all of his communication with Johnny is protected by attorney-client privileged, which basically means anything as an attorney, anything you say to your client cannot be used against you. So you know what happened every time they asked Waldman anything? Ben Chew was there and said "I advise you not to answer on the grounds of attorney-client privilege." And Waldman said he would not answer on those grounds. COMPLETELY fair. So this went on for what felt like an hour of Elaine asking questions and Chew and Waldman shutting it down. Some of the questions were out of line from Elaine because she knew that he couldn't answer. The jury mostly checked out when they realized that this was a waste of their time since Waldman could not answer. Like Elaine asked these questions to make some kind of narrative but nobody is going to pay attention to it because Elaine is Elaine and they recognize it's all speculation since Waldman can't answer. So here's some highlights.

Adam Waldman said he had a lifetime ban on Twitter, and when he asked what he did wrong, they refused to answer why. Apparently certain members of the jury were amused when he was talking about his ban there.

Rottenborn takes over after Elaine's disaster and he asked if Waldman can name any witnesses that led him to believe it was a hoax. He said "It may be easier if I pick a certain instance, such as what led to the images that were on Peoples magazine when she filed her restraining order." The man dead ass named 27 people who he had statements from that said Amber had no bruise on her face from the date Johnny left to the date that Amber filed for her restraining order. He just rattled off names. This included people that Amber has had testifying for her already and elaborated on why it helped prove it was a hoax. I cannot believe this happened.

He also asked if Waldman talked to other social media users and named people who have been detailing all of this stuff, and he said he only did so on phone or via an app they will NEVER get anything from that I can't remember. These people live rent free in Amber's head for exposing her for a while.

Then Rottenborn asked why Waldman said that Amber was going to be investigated for perjury by the LAPD when they weren't investigating it. Then Waldman goes "That's mischaracterizing. The timeline is that the LAPD told me they were going to investigate her for perjury, I put out the statement, and then the LAPD told me the LA Sheriff's Department were in charge of investigating it now." He said he gave a binder full of statements and spoke to the desk officer who said they were investigating it because they found merit in it. So now the jury knows that Amber is seriously being investigated for lying under oath. And it's said that the jury clearly reacted to this. Absolutely devastating. I would have rather let the counter-claim die than sacrifice the defense so badly for this testimony.

So to keep track, LA Sheriff's Department, Australia's government, and supposedly the UK government are all investigating for Amber for perjury.

Then they brought on an internal investigator for the police department's domestic abuse investigations, so she basically makes sure any and all domestic abuse claims are properly looked into. They spent a lot of time for her to explain how it works and not say a single thing about how the officers didn't investigate it properly. A complete and utter waste of time. Positively amazing they used this person at all.

And oh my god, we get a live one! The only live witness of the day! His name is Rob Schnell and he works at the Berkley Research Group and he has a crazy background where he was a professor at college at age 14. He has a lot of qualifications concerning technology and mainframes... but nothing concerning social media? Like, really impressive dude, but he has no background in what he was actually talking about, and it really showed. Depp's team tried to voir dire him, which means to verify (stop) him from being an expert, but then he said he's not an expert, I think? I dunno, it was confusing and I won't pretend to know what happened there. But this guy has also never testified in court before.

Basically, this guy compiled certain hashtags on Twitter to try showing damage of public opinion to Amber. These included pro and anti Johnny and Amber Tweets. The first thing they pulled up was the most horrific excel spreadsheet that I'm sure made everyone shrivel up and recoil in terror upon seeing it. It was so poorly formatted and just difficult to see what lines lined up with what rows and so much negative space and oh my god nobody took anything from it.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/20/22 1:36:48 AM
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Then they pull up a chart he made with a timeline and a bunch of hashtags. It has only the dates that Amber was involved in movies, and not a single date from the incident in question. I got a crappy quality version of it I plucked from the stream below. But it's insane because the #justiceforjohnnydepp hashtag was used like 100 times more than any other one to the point they were literally baseline at the bottom of the chart. And not only that, the giant spike was BEFORE Adam Waldman's statement that Amber filed a counter-claim over. And then there's a smaller, but big one the day Waldman made his statement. So it's proving that there was more support for Johnny on an occasion BEFORE Waldman's statement. So this proves the Waldman's statement wasn't the cause of her bad press. Oh, and because the other hashtags were baseline, he had to manually re-create the chart. AND he took 1,000 tweets with those hashtags in a random generator to verify that they were all negative towards Amber, when many people co-opt hashtags to post their distaste for them.

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Then they pull up another chart and look for keywords in each of those hashtags. The hashtags in question are #justiceforjohnnydepp, #amberheardisanabuser, #wejustdontlikeyouamber, and #amberturd. The keywords looked for were hoax, fake, fraud, Waldman, and Waldmignon (which I still don't understand). So far many people who are actually involved in online analytics have said this testimony was insane and awful. And then he relied on ANOTHER expert's findings to make determinations about what each tweet means in terms of why people tweeted them (that expert hasn't appeared yet). So he made up correlations when he's not an expert at this at all. Just the least credible guy.

Cross examination just ripped this guy apart. He named off all of the hashtags, which meant that now they can just freely say JUSTICE FOR JOHNNY DEPP, AMBER HEARD IS AN ABUSER, AND AMBER TURD all the time! They literally opened up for people to see just how the public is all siding with Johnny Depp now and how much everyone hates Amber Heard. The lunacy to allow this in and have it be used as a weapon against them is crazy, and you know it's getting mentioned in the closing argument that over 1.2 million people want Justice for Johnny Depp. And they did this for the most shitty and inconclusive testimony.

Every time they said Amber Turd, Amber was just squirming and twitching in her seat. It was actually pretty hilarious, she haaaaaates that.

Basically, this guy couldn't correlate anything to the Waldman article and the hashtags that were created, and that he only based it off someone else's opinion. And THEN he points out that he didn't make these connections in those depositions, and only made them before this trial. And then these hashtags existed BEFORE the Waldman article and were used a lot before then.

"Do you remember anything in Mr. Waldman's statement where he called her Amber Turd?"

And then this guy confirms that he didn't even bother to connect these hashtags to any other events, and he only used TV shows and movies that she was in that came out as markers AND that he had to recreate the chart. Then they just conclude as follows:

"So you would agree that Justice for Johnny Depp is a good thing?"

"That's not part of my assignment."

"But you'll agree with me that justice in general is a good thing?"

"I'm a big fan of justice."

"Aww, me too. No further questions, Your Honor."

Fucking perfect ending to this shit show. There was a re-direct but it meant pretty much nothing and it got a decent amount of objections that just wrecked it. This guy was clearly out of his element and his testimony proved nothing and only helped Johnny Depp.

Why in the WORLD would you bring in evidence showing a bunch of people want justice for Johnny Depp? Public opinion is a hell of a thing, and some jurors may be swayed by just that. I just can't believe they introduced this. How did they not anticipate this being used like this? This might actually be one of the biggest blunders Amber's team has made so far because WOW. There is no way they would allow this to come in if Depp's team wanted to introduce it, and here Amber's team gets the worst expert they could to come in and let the world know that Justice for Johnny Depp is outrageously more popular than people standing with Amber Heard. Just crazy.

Michelle Mulrony is up next and she was Amber's marital attorney. She contradicted Amber's claims that she had a pre-nup ready to sign and go and claimed she never saw anything a pre-nup. Her actual point of being here was that Johnny called her in one of these occasions and fired her. Uh, I think it was the birthday incident? Listen, I'm plugged into this thing and have watched the whole trial, and I don't even remember when Johnny had called her to fire her in all of this. It may have been Australia. I just don't remember. And I even have the benefit of knowing things the jury doesn't know, so I doubt they remember when the hell this happened either. Not that it's important.

Some important bits to keep in mind. Johnny paid for this attorney, but this is Amber's attorney. This woman stayed on the phone to be berated by Johnny for 3 minutes--when she should be spending no more than 5 seconds talking to him. This woman is Amber's marital attorney. You don't just talk to the opposite party like this about anything. It's a violation of confidentiality. And also, Johnny can't fire her because even though he's paying for her, it's Amber's choice ultimately whether or not to fire her because it's a conflict for you to fire the opposing attorney. I explained that poorly. If anyone needs to understand it more, I can try to explain it better later. But even she admits that Johnny couldn't fire her.

Anyway, Johnny called her one night, they talked for 3 minutes, he called her a bitch, and he fired her. She later quit after.

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05/20/22 1:37:32 AM
#86:


Next up is a "Production Executive" for Disney. And before anyone gets excited, it's a fancy title to give them some agency to answer questions while also placing them far enough from anything important to be able to answer honestly.

Basically, Elaine asked a bunch of questions to her that she said she wasn't involved with, had no talks with, and saw no paperwork involving anything. Very cool witness. Elaine wanted to say since she had nothing to say about why Johnny was booted from Pirates 6 and she couldn't say if it was the op-ed or not, that meant that he wasn't booted for that reason. That's all. Utterly pointless because she just kept saying she didn't know anything and that she wasn't involved in any of those conversations.

"Are you aware that Johnny Depp testified under oath that he wouldn't return to a Pirates of the Carribean role for $30 million and a million alpacas?" "Snrk. No."

She then asked if she is aware if Disney would be willing to give Johnny Depp $30 million and a million alpacas to be in the next Pirates movie and Johnny Depp is just cracking up. This was pointless.

Speaking of pointless, actress Ellen Barkin gives her deposition about her time being Johnny Depp's booty call decades ago. She has been extremely bitter about Johnny for the longest time and it absolutely showed here. Imagine holding this grudge for decades because a dude didn't want to have a serious relationship with you.

They said she was in a romantic relationship and she said "Actually could you change that to sexual?" Everyone laughed, including people in the jury, because it was just weird and funny.

Her big claim was that before she claimed Johnny Depp once threw a bottle at her in a fit of rage. Upon being questioned about it, it was clarified by Barkin that Johnny Depp once at a party "tossed", not "thrown", a bottle harmlessly, not at her or anyone else, while Barkin was across the room from him, but about something she couldn't remember. Damning stuff.

Johnny and his attorneys were just laughing about this testimony because it was so stupid and so pointless and it proved nothing. WHY did this happen? Why did they bring on Ellen Barkin for 11 minutes to talk about her times with Johnny decades ago?

Next is Johnny's therapist. This was also pointless because all he did was talk about how sad and depressed Johnny was, and how he didn't want to marry Amber but it happened too fast, and he also affirmed that Johnny has told him about how he didn't want to leave because he didn't want to be like his father. So this confirms it wasn't just some made up thing Johnny said, and that he has expressed that as his reason for staying well before this.

From what people there have said, this just made the jury look like they felt really bad for Johnny, and they were looking over at his table a lot more during this one. So that's another banger witness for Amber.

I think they brought this therapist in because Johnny told him that he was self-destructive? I honestly don't get the point of this one.

Next is Eric George, Amber's attorney that edited down Amber's op-ed to make sure it wasn't defamatory. If you remember me talking about the qualifications of attorneys. He said he is a "Top 100 Attorney in California" for many years and a "Super Lawyer". I had previously stated that these are just qualifications that are paid for and purely for marketing purposes. Like, I don't knock anyone for it at all. Everyone has to market themselves. But a Super Lawyer and Top 100 Attorney in California was tasked to ensure an article wasn't defamatory, and now he is testifying in a trial about how he didn't do a good enough job making sure an article isn't defamatory. Truly, these titles don't mean quality. I think all they used him for was to try saying she made the effort to try making sure it wasn't defamatory? I don't know. This was extremely short and he spent more time failing to explain what being a Super Lawyer means than actually testifying anything meaningful.

This seems like a good time to point out that according to people there, multiple members of the jury are making faces of annoyance and disgust any time they hear Elaine start talking on these video depositions. Specifically, it's not when Elaine is asking dumb questions or anything, it's when she is just going "Hello please state your name and occupation." The jury actually seems like they just hate this woman, and frankly I just don't blame them? She's the source of a lot of absurdity and annoyance in the court room, to the point that even the Judge can't hide how tired she is of Elaine. Even if it's not entirely her fault like with Amber's testimony and re-direct, she's just become repellant to the jury it seems. Which, you know, is really bad for them.

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05/20/22 1:38:03 AM
#87:


The last one here is a woman with a name so complicated I won't attempt it, but she was Amber Heard's talent agent. She repeatedly said Aquaman was "the most successful movie of all time ever" which... I'm pretty sure it's actually not? Like it did amazing thanks to China, but I don't thnk it was the most successful?

This woman did absolutely nothing for Amber. She outright said that the reason Warner Bros. gave her for why they were going to re-cast her in Aquaman 2 was because her and Jason Mamoa had no chemistry. Not because of anything that had come out in the news. They said this specifically. So what the fuck, her counter-claim is worthless.

Now, this could be a lie, but it's the reason they gave anyway. Maybe they didn't have chemistry, I assume because Jason Mamoa just seems like he doesn't like Amber, and Amber had told a story about how he supposedly ripped up a page of a book she was reading on set once a day. Amber doesn't seem like she's all too great to have on a set due to her attitude. Her acting was also widely panned in reviews of the movie that were otherwise mostly positive. Whatever reason you think may be the truth, it doesn't really matter. They have Warner Bros. officially stating it was a reason other than any drama that spurned from Adam Waldman's article, so it's over.

But she said that Amber did lose the Aquaman 2 role and also her DC movie contract. So she's acting in this movie without the DC movie contract at all. They didn't get into it here, but the reason Amber got her role back was because she threatened litigation regarding her lawyer looking at the contract and finding that they couldn't just release her from the movie. This was a compromise.

The agent also stated that Amber's career was on the upswing after Aquaman, and then it suddenly wasn't and nobody wanted to work with her. She said she got ripped from roles, specifically citing some Amazon Prime movie, and stated that it was because of the negativity she was receiving online. But she stated that nobody can just come out and say that's the reason. So that's all speculation. But she's saying this while they're arguing that people absolutely can and should be saying why Johnny Depp definitively has lost his Pirates 6 role. Do they even realize they're just helping Johnny's argument too with this?

There was so much speculation from this woman about why people didn't want to hire Amber, how much money she would have made, thinking that most people posting negativity about Amber were bots (citing that she clicked on them and she could tell). Loooooots of speculation.

But the only other notable part was when she said, in defense of Amber, that nobody wants someone accused of abuse working on their movie. Gee, you mean like how Amber did to Johnny? Like holy hell, this just helps bolster Johnny's argument.

So basically, the counter-claim was dead when Adam Waldman testified. But now it's super dead because she was outright given a reason for her initially losing her role in Aquaman 2. After Amber's case in chief is over, Johnny's team will move to dismiss the counter-claim and I would be shocked if it's not dismissed. There's just nothing here proving anything Waldman said in that one article was the reason she lost a single role.

Just a horrific day for Amber. Yesterday was a mild positive for her before, but today was just one hit after another--and they were all her own witnesses too. They should have just dropped the counter-claim and said fuck it and not included some of these witnesses, but that's Amber's choice to drop it. Filing it in the first place was an even bigger mistake.

But you know the most devastating thing about today? How much time each team has left to present their case.

Johnny: 18h 30m
Amber: 8h 14m

Amber's team spent all of this time with these useless witnesses that didn't help her case at all. Just look at that disparity between both of them. Amber has maybe one more day of her case left on Monday to present, which will probably eat up at least 5 hours of her time. She has no more important witnesses left. I don't know who she plans to use, but I feel like she's still going to spend most of the day. So that means that Johnny will have all of these rebuttal witnesses for the next week, and they have plenty of time to use them.

So now Amber's team has to decide how to use what little time she has. Will she just abandon a couple of her remaining witnesses to have more time for rebuttal? How much time will she use doing cross on certain Depp witnesses? Johnny's team can just save their most valuable witnesses for last and let Amber's team eat away time, and probably have none left by the end to cross examine them.

And in a final bit of news, the jurors will have access to every video and audio file that's been played in court while they deliberate. Which, you know, is good because any audio file in full with context makes Amber look horrible every time.

I think I'm more confident than ever that Johnny wins this case. Amber's case isn't over, but after today it might as well be. Putting together this miserable show along with hearing about jury reactions to Amber's case today (being not really paying any attention for the most part), I think their minds are mostly made up now. It's a long trial, so it's understandable.

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05/20/22 1:42:32 AM
#88:


Team Rocket Elite posted...
Is there a rough timeline for what the rest of the trial looks like?
Next week is the final week.

Monday-Thursday is Amber finishes off the last of her case in chief, then Johnny gets to rebuttal with more witnesses.

Friday are the closing arguments for each team.

The jury decides after that. I think they can go into the next week.

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05/20/22 10:56:26 AM
#89:


Some of the questions were out of line from Elaine because she knew that he couldn't answer.
She may lose her bar license over this. As an attorney herself, Elaine shouldn't be asking another attorney to violate attorney-client privilege laws. It would be a deserving comeuppance for the henchwoman here.

Waldman obliterated their counter-claim AND showed that Amber's witnesses were liars. Like I said above, the counter-claim was a terrible idea because it forces the jury to pick one side or the other, not "guilty, pay up" or "not guilty, don't pay up." By making such an unrealistic counter-claim, Amber Turd has forced them to side with Johnny. Her counter-suit has ZERO basis and is merely the product of her own distortions. If the Phantom Thieves were American, this would be an optimal way for them to gain notoriety. Her Palace has gotta be INSANE.

I do hope that Camille, in her closing arguments for Johnny, points out all these obvious data points to the jury. That Waldman's statements had nothing to do with Amber Turd being accused of being a monster, that her own lies torpedoed her career, that her witnesses contradicted themselves, etc. Just remind all of these obvious things because a lot of people who DO end up on juries are the same kinds of people who would give an item a one-star review on Amazon because "it came a day late" or criticize a National Park for "having nothing to do" when they chose to go to such a nature preserve.

I so wish I'd been able to watch yesterday (had a psych appointment and a funeral visitation). I will need to watch a recap because some of this sounds amazing. I got WAAAAAAY too much I'm behind on. Thanks for the updates - I appreciate them!

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/20/22 11:09:07 AM
#90:


Elaine is 100% not losing her license over anything in this trial. Even if she was out of line, there was no violation made. Ben Chew just treated it all as a joke, even saying stuff like "Nice try, but I would advise..." and "That was clever, but I would advise..." It's just a lawyer trying to do what she could with shitty facts to try and prove a counter-claim that frankly should have been dismissed because it even got to court.

The thing with Amber Heard's counter-claim was that she initially alleged 50 cases of defamation from Johnny Depp. Before it got to court, it was reduced to the three statements Adam Waldman made that Amber is claiming Johnny Depp made him say. We still have another day for her to prove Adam Waldman said something speaking for Johnny there, but I sincerely doubt they have anything.

I think they wanted it in there to present that Adam Waldman was hiding something to the jury, whereas the jury has seen nothing but Elaine trying to get things out of people she's not allowed to with repeated objections, whereas the jury seems like they respect and like Ben Chew and trust him. And all of them checked out entirely while Elaine was getting stonewalled there for like half an hour.

But Amber would have been better off if it was dismissed outright so she could claim it was unfair, etc. and then they wouldn't have had to put on this witness who just blew up her case.

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CassandraCain
05/20/22 12:23:49 PM
#91:


Hey I don't think even the Phantom Thieves could fix her, that palace would be so utterly distorted that they'd be lost the moment they walked in. I imagine it would look like combining every MC Escher painting together.

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05/20/22 12:40:14 PM
#92:


swordz9 posted...
There are seemingly still a decent amount of people online who believe Heard somehow even though she cant seem to keep any story straight or provide any real evidence

I saw a suggestion elsewhere that many of the people who still support Amber at this stage aren't supporting her specifically, but rather supporting her for the sake of Me Too because they think if Amber is seen as an abuser, this will damage Me Too's credibility.

I can see their thinking, but wouldn't being caught defending an abuser and trying to cover up their wrongdoing for the sake of the narrative do far more damage to Me Too's credibility in the long run?
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05/20/22 12:47:10 PM
#93:


Alright, I'll admit I don't fully understand what it takes for a lawyer to lose their license - I just thought trying to get another lawyer to violate legal conventions was something that could. Then at the very least, Elaine will struggle getting clients - this trial has not been a good look for her. It would've helped to advise Ms. Turd to drop the counter-suit entirely, because pretty much all of Johnny's accusations have been corroborated by audio evidence, photographic contradictions, or conflicting testimonies.

Ben Chew and Camille Vasquez have done wonders to gain the jury's trust while Elaine has looked desperate, and in that desperation committed case suicide. Pretty clear who has the better attorneys here.

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05/20/22 1:14:12 PM
#94:


CassandraCain posted...
Hey I don't think even the Phantom Thieves could fix her, that palace would be so utterly distorted that they'd be lost the moment they walked in. I imagine it would look like combining every MC Escher painting together.
Sounds about right. Her distortion is absolutely insane, and who knows how much it covers. Wouldn't surprise me if it was all of Hollywood, since she sees herself as more famous than she actually was before this.

GavsEvans123 posted...
I saw a suggestion elsewhere that many of the people who still support Amber at this stage aren't supporting her specifically, but rather supporting her for the sake of Me Too because they think if Amber is seen as an abuser, this will damage Me Too's credibility.

I can see their thinking, but wouldn't being caught defending an abuser and trying to cover up their wrongdoing for the sake of the narrative do far more damage to Me Too's credibility in the long run?
The only people who support Amber Turd are abusers themselves and this is their attempt at an excuse. Ms. Turd has already done the damage and her reputation is irrecoverable. Continuing to support her under the guise of "Me Too" means Me Too condones abuse if a woman is doing it. In other words, abusive men are horrible, but abusive women are A-Okay. Sexist hypocrisy, that is.

Yes, I am aware that not all "Me Too" people see it that way. It's just a select few who lack the logic. The rest condemn abuse in all its forms. The movement can recover from this but it's gonna be turbulent if there aren't enough people condemning Amber Turd for trying to leverage this movement to get away with her lies. Can't let one bad apple spoil the bunch.

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Axl_Rose_85
05/20/22 2:14:22 PM
#95:


We got literally everything from this trial

- Comedy (Heard's lawyers)
- Lies and betrayal
- Horror (Heard's diabolical laughter on audio)
- Sex, drugs and alcohol
- B-grade acting (Heard's tearless breakdowns and everyone was born yesterday and I'm the smartest person in this world testimonies)
- Disgust (Heard shitting on Johnny's bed)
- Carnage and destruction (Camille wrecking Heard on the cross and Elaine on the redirect)
- Memes (Ma dawg shetpd on a bee *flinch)
- Redemption (At the very least if it was mutual, everyone with half a brain knows Heard was the instigator)
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05/20/22 2:45:03 PM
#96:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
In other words, abusive men are horrible, but abusive women are A-Okay. Sexist hypocrisy, that is.

Yes, I am aware that not all "Me Too" people see it that way. It's just a select few who lack the logic. The rest condemn abuse in all its forms.
Yeah, unfortunately a lot of people can't see that while most abusers are male, female abusers can and do exist.

But yeah, a crime is a crime, regardless of gender.

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CassandraCain
05/20/22 4:59:46 PM
#97:


https://youtu.be/d7qh9NI5oc8

There's the first two only 999,998 alpacas to go

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BlueCrystalTear
05/21/22 12:55:12 AM
#98:


Yeah, this trial has it ALL. I haven't found a legal proceeding as interesting as this. I think it's because this is quite the cast of characters, and the villain is fantastic.

Catching up...
-Bruce Witkin, Tracey Jacobs, and Joel Mandel were all completely ineffectual and I don't know what they offered to Amber's case. They did not offer any insight into Johnny's character that would lead a juror to think he was abusive. They just showed he's a flawed human being like he's admitted. Not all abuse is physical, but Johnny's emotional needs don't equate to abuse. Not once did he make Amber feel emotionally inferior to him. Amber was the only one playing those "games." The jury has to be seeing that. Their minds aren't changing. (One so-called "expert" - probably an abuser herself - on the "halftime show" of the stream was saying that his testimony must've helped Amber, and I lol'd.)
-Amber suing over Adam Waldman saying those comments in Rolling Stone is why he can't represent Johnny in this trial, yes? So... pretty clear whose side he's on. Elaine kept getting Chewed out and I could see Camille in the video being bored out of her mind (as she probably hasn't seen this before). WHY did they bring him on instead of dropping the counter-suit? Like questioning him about it made it clear they have no case. I also don't know why they didn't edit this down because Elaine continued asking questions that violated attorney/client privilege and she knew it. Maybe that was because Ben Chew and Waldman wanted Elaine to embarrass herself.
-Ben Chew has a very similar voice to a friend of mine.
-Waldman's deposition was an hour nearly exactly... and 45 minutes of that was Chew and Waldman stonewalling Elaine. Then he just went on the offensive.
-Does Amber think she's winning despite all this? She has no evidence, and the only witness of hers who seemed credible was the makeup artist who couldn't testify as to where those bruises came from. And yet, she thinks she's gonna get his money over a nonexistent case. There can be no other explanation for why she pressed forward with her counter-suit. She HAD to have been advised otherwise.
-The LAPD domestic violence coordinator was indeed worthless. This should've been cut for time. It offers nothing to either case, and was probably just shown since it had occurred. The jury was probably falling asleep by now.

...speaking of, it's time for me to fall asleep. I intend to finish Thursday's proceedings tomorrow and/or Sunday.

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BlueCrystalTear
05/21/22 11:55:37 PM
#99:


Schnell's first spreadsheet made sense to me but I had to pause the video to use a straightedge. I do hope jurors were given print-outs - what a nightmare. Like... I could format this thing more elegantly in 30 seconds (anchoring the top, cell borders, color, etc.). He did manage to prove that Johnny filing the lawsuit, not Waldman's "hoax" comment, was what started to shift public opinion toward the truth.

Michelle Mulrony and Tina Newman were whatever. Ellen Barkin is crotchety - the unintentionally hilarious curmudgeon. This ancient history is worthless - Amber was more interested in Johnny and Camille mocking Ellen than Ellen's testimony. Did Dr. Blaustein have a court order to disclose Johnny's PHI? Not sure how civil court HIPAA exceptions work. Eric George looked humble despite Elaine asking him about how incredible he is. Her questions are consistently awful. At this point I was dozing off; of these, only Ellen was interesting, and not in a good way. Jessica Kovacevic (typed as Elaine spelled it out) was the killing blow, though her credibility is questionable since Amber's performance wasn't well-received and Infinity War (which came out first) made twice as much as Aquaman. It was refreshing to have Ben Chew doing the interrogating instead of Elaine.

So yeah, Johnny's team is WAY better at time management. Amber's team wasted WAY too much time using video depositions that only hurt their case. Once the Adam Waldman questioning - which they had to take the time to do to show they had a case - didn't pan out, they should've reevaluated. But I think Amber is so distorted that she's still feeling good about her counter-claim, oblivious to the jury being asleep and everyone else, including her lawyers and sister, all knowing the truth. I expect a verdict rendered in less than 3 hours. Nothing Amber does can change it.

Anyway, I am caught up here! Woo~

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TheRock1525
05/22/22 6:08:54 AM
#100:


So I'm confused as to something: Amber said she was going to donate $7 to two charities as it relates to what she received in the divorce, and the argument I've heard is that she hasn't donated a dime.

But now I've read this:

After assault incident #14 (the iPhone incident) in May 2016, Amber filed for divorce and applied for a restraining order against Johnny. He then accused her of claiming abuse for financial gain. She disputed this claim by vowing to donate all the money she received from the divorce: As described in the restraining order and divorce settlement, money played no role for me personally and never has, except to the extent that I could donate it to charity and, in doing so, hopefully help those less able to defend themselves. As reported in the media, the amount received in the divorce was $7 million and $7 million is being donated. This is over and above any funds that I have given away in the past and will continue to give away in the future.

She decided to donate to 2 organizations, with $3.5 million for each: The donation will be divided equally between the ACLU, with a particular focus to stop violence against women, and the Children's Hospital of Los Angeles, where I have worked as a volunteer for the past 10 years alongside organizations like the Art of Elysium. Over the years, I have seen firsthand how more funding for staffing, better equipment and better medication can make the difference between life or death for a child."

During the current trial, Terence Dougherty, the ACLUs general counsel and chief operating officer, testified in his deposition that the pledge agreement calls for Amber to donate the $3.5 million to his organization through instalments over a period of ten years, not in one lump sum. In her testimony, Amber said that she was receiving her divorce settlement in installments and that's why she paid the donation in installments as well. In the pledge, the ten year period would start in August 2016, meaning she still has the time till 2026 to complete her donation. To date, Dougherty testified they have already received $1.3 million from Amber or on her behalf. Dougherty said he has no indication that Amber does not intend to pay the rest of her pledged donation: Im not aware of any indication that Ms. Heard has decided to no longer pay additional amounts. She also donated somewhere between $1million to 4.9million to the other organization, CHLA, and was listed in their Honor Roll of Donors for the hospital.

So has she actually donated to these two charities?

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