Board 8 > Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard Trial 2

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Seven dollars ltg

'On her behalf' Elon donated 1m

Yeah, she should have clarified that donation was based on increments that the ACLU could attest to. The 13 month stagnation period and then "uh oh, Johnny's suing me, shucks" defense she put out for the jury was not a smart play for her, because it made her look shady and/or inept. And "pledge vs. donate is same thing" is insulting to the jury and contributes to her ineptness and narcissistic character.

Even though I said I've seen enough, this trial still has me clicking on clips/tiktok mashups. I love Dennison's cross exam with Schnell, the way he built up to "yeah, these 3 hashtags are negative to AH and none are related to her team's main dispute against Walden's comments...but how bout that sweet Justice for Johnny, eh?"

Complete bullshit to blame the turd on the dog eating too much hash. I'm glad they didn't bother wasting the court's time bringing in an expert to set that straight though...just let it hang there as the complete bullshit it is.

And is it just me or does Adam Walden, the tone of his voice, sound ALOT like ThatUmbrellaGuy? I couldn't find this opinion anywhere else, it just sounds like the same voice with a southern twang to it.

The money was only ever donated by Elon and Johnny. After Amber announced she donated all of the money from the divorce to those charities, it was a violation of the NDA of their divorce settlement, so instead of having the money go straight to Amber, he had the first installment be paid to the respective charities and set up to be paid each month.

Then Amber called and furiously demanded they no longer be paid and that she receive the money to donate directly to them so she could get the untaxed amount, claiming that Johnny just wanted to donate it on his behalf to reap the tax benefits of the donation.

She then received the money incrementally. Elon Musk donated at her behest at times that kind of line up with things like the UK trial and some other date I can't remember. But she claimed the entire amount was donated the whole time.

The ACLU showed off an installment plan they sent to Amber about how she can pay for it at the trial. It was pointed out that it was not signed and they don't even know if Amber even saw it. It's a CYA for ACLU and nothing more. There's a reason ACLU spent a ton of money trying not to be subpoenaed for this.

But Amber made no effort to even attempt to pay these charities and the pledge claim is hilariously awful. Not a soul buys this. Apparently the jury collectively was disgusted by it, in a rare show of solidarity.

Just an awful person. Narcissistic grifting trolls should never have political power or be a spokesperson for victims of dv or sv.

I was in town yesterday, and as I walked past a charity shop, I saw they had a Johnny Depp display in the window, including all the dvds they had of films starring Johnny Depp. Just to dispel any doubt about this being a coincidence, there was also a single solitary copy of Drive Angry in the display as well. Unexpectedly seeing something about this trial in day to day life, outside the internet or media of any kind, has finally made it sink in for me just how big this is getting!

Amber has 8 hours left and is wasting so much time on the worst experts you could find to say "I have no credibility, I only looked at the materials Amber's team sent me, and I also can't say anything conclusively."

What is happening.

She found a literal cartoon villain to testify

https://youtu.be/DNsxnyU4f3g

And it's not just his appearance, he's got the dramatic overinflated ego too. Full package!

he looks like Dick Dastardly from Wacky Races

yes I know that reference makes me old

It's worse than that. The dude is saying if you take any drugs or alcohol, you engage in domestic violence, that because Johnny talks slowly it means his brain is destroyed from drugs, and that he's had minor strokes without looking at a single MRI. Like this dude is legitimately out of his mind.

He is going to be annihilated on cross.

Looks like his nose already got annihilated by a cross.

I'm sorry.

Okay I thought that he would be annihilated on cross.

But this man was just absolutely eviscerated. I cannot believe how badly this guy was destroyed. What the hell? They opened it by having him admit his testimony was unethical. What in the world just happened?

Elaine trying to get her disaster witness to testify that Johnny has narcissistic personality disorder because he is drawing and eating candy. (It was objected to and sustained obviously)

I feel like I'm losing my mind listening to these people.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

She repeatedly said Aquaman was "the most successful movie of all time ever" which... I'm pretty sure it's actually not?

wut? why did she say something that nobody believes and is demonstrably false?

according to wikipedia, aquaman is #24 on the list of highest grossing films of all time. that's impressive but it's not exactly #1.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

wut? why did she say something that nobody believes and is demonstrably false?

according to wikipedia, aquaman is #24 on the list of highest grossing films of all time. that's impressive but it's not exactly #1.

Yes. Not only did her agent say that, but this "Hollywood expert" they just brought on to discuss why Amber has received $100 million in damages stated it was the most successful movie of all time multiple times, along with other lies.

If she doesn't get killed on cross I'll also be surprised.

Its the most successful DC movie of all time.

This Hollywood expert they brought on did literally no research at all. She doesn't know half the actors. She doesn't know anything about Amber's career.

How do you get an expert and the expert does NO RESEARCH on anything? With all the money she's being paid for this, she did no research at all. Insane.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Its the most successful DC movie of all time.

And it still didn't set the bar very high. Even more unfortunate now that no one can stomach watching it anymore. Live action DC just can't catch a break.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

wut? why did she say something that nobody believes and is demonstrably false?

You could ask this question about several of the things Amber and her witnesses have said.

Between the Flash and Mera being crazy, and Cyborg calling out WB to the point of being unemployable the DC universe has made some really bad calls in casting.

More than just casting. Theyve made bad calls in writing, editing and all that other stuff too. I mean damn the best DC movie since the Nolan movies ended has been written by an MCU guy (havent seen The Batman yet)

Oh man you mentioning editing made me remember aquaman jumping that tiny fence in a trailer

FFDragon posted...

Between the Flash and Mera being crazy, and Cyborg calling out WB to the point of being unemployable the DC universe has made some really bad calls in casting.

I think the Cyborg thing is more a mistake due to them hiring Joss Whedon

Mr Lasastryke posted...

wut? why did she say something that nobody believes and is demonstrably false?

according to wikipedia, aquaman is #24 on the list of highest grossing films of all time. that's impressive but it's not exactly #1.

It was just over halfway to being the highest grossing movie of 2018 as well, so it wasn't even #1 of its year. Infinity War came out several months earlier and made nearly twice as much. Marvel has a huge leg up on DC in film and that's largely because DC's superheroes are incredibly generic, save for Batman (and Gal Godot's Wonder Woman to a lesser extent). And Aquaman won't be making any more money because nobody wants to watch a heroine played by a vile harpy. They better replace her in the sequel even though it already filmed.

Due to my computer shit, I wasn't able to watch today. (Why can't upgrading parts be easy?) Watching the first guy... how does he know all this if he didn't operate on Johnny? This guy is credible but knows nothing about this case since Johnny is not his patient. Camille laying into him is awesome - she's showing he's in this for the money and that he knows nothing about the actual injury. The redirect presumes that the jury may still believe Amber's lies. They don't. And trying to impeach Camille's character with snarky comments shows how unaware Amber's team is that she's the heroine of the story. The jury LOVES her just as much as we do.

Really, these witnesses don't add anything to Amber's case. They looked at some materials that don't comprise the entirety of the evidence. They just wasted an hour trying to show that something else could've caused the vodka bottle injury, which... has nothing to do with their case. Amber could've caused it another way too! Would Johnny have really fucked himself up to show she assaulted him? No. It would have just been cosmetic damage like Amber's fake scars.

Onto guy #2... this guy has to be the slimebag referenced above. Something about him just screams "smarmy weasel." Just look at that smug grin plastered on his face!
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/0/3/AAR0ZFAADQ0H.jpg

He's right that substance abuse fucks with the mind. But... to say it affects everyone the same way is ridiculous. He's also a pompous, self-promoting asshole, and established that quickly. I hope this guy has a sudden drop in patients. He has no reason to be here either. What's his stake in this? Oh, that's right, money and fame - he doesn't care about getting facts straight so long as he gets paid. Dr. Curry, on the other hand, actually came across as credible and likable, and established herself as impartial even though she was paid by Depp's team to look for what they wanted to look for.

Anyway, made it to the first recess, but that's all I can take for right now. Got a lot of catchup tomorrow... again.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Marvel has a huge leg up on DC in film and that's largely because DC's superheroes are incredibly generic

Completely untrue. DC has a ton of awesome superheroes and supporting characters, WB just doesn't know how to write, cast, or direct any of them well.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I hope this guy has a sudden drop in patients.

Also I feel sorry for anyone unfortunate enough to have been his patient before.

DAY 20

So today I would have sworn to you that Amber would rest her case in chief. Because they had 8 hours left and need time to damage control on Johnny's rebuttal. This did not happen. Instead, they presented the three most ineffectual experts in this courtroom. Just a complete disaster. Like I keep saying complete disaster, but they are all legitimately awful in different ways and didn't help Amber's case at all.

Over the weekend they leaked to the Court TV person who has been reporting on the case that Johnny would be called to the stand (so unbearably stupid). And then today Amber's team leaked it would be so stupid for them to call Johnny to the stand. And then at the end of the day they said they didn't know if they would present him or not to the Judge. It is actually not worth them putting him on again to try and prove this counter claim. The fact they spent so much time on this counter claim is stupid in general, and they are just burying their own defense for it. So we'll see tomorrow I guess.

Oh, and jury reports right now are that this jury is fucking dead and they couldn't care less about any testimony today, save for maybe one or two. So Amber isn't getting a cent from this counter claim, if it even survives past a Motion to Strike. They are fucking over this trial now. It's last week of school right now and they're ready for summer to GTFO.

The first was a hand surgeon expert. He was, you know, fine at first. And we're all listening. He said he's read everything and watched video depositions and watched Depp's testimony where he explains what happened where he had his finger blown off. And then he goes "Yeah, Mr. Depp said he had his hand flat on the bar." He explained it was flat on the bar multiple times. And immediately you have red flags, because Depp has always said his fingers were curled over the edge of the bar. He based all of his findings off of Johnny's hand being flat on the bar and claiming the bottle being thrown was impossible with it happening like that.

Also, they showed multiple gruesome pictures of his finger blown apart and I had to literally not look at it because it looked so bad. I don't think people really get how awful this injury was because fuck it was just blown apart everywhere under the fingernail. But they argued since it didn't smash down on his fingernail that's why Johnny is lying.

So Camille Vasquez just gets up there and says "Okay so you saw everything and you were entirely inaccurate with Mr. Depp's description of where his hand was." This fucking dope then admits that she's right, and that's how he described it. And then he goes "But I believe when I demonstrated it, his fingers were slightly curled. Camille doesn't let him get away with it and tells him that multiple times he said it was flat and he was like "Maybe I misspoke." Exactly 0 people believe it. And then she pointed out that he described the bottle having hit from the top in Depp's testimony, but clarified that he actually said it was from an off-angle and he said that sure but it would still hit at the top. This guy is dead already. Just completely tried to gaslight the jury by lying about how Johnny described it.

She then asked him about if he actually saw Depp's finger and worked on it and he said no, because they have a rebuttal witness who actually worked on Depp's finger. But Camille gets him to admit that it COULD have been a vodka bottle that caused it, after he denied it initially. She also showed a bunch of pictures of the bar in Australia, where she pointed out blood in the bar area and a shattered vodka bottle. And then she asked if he considered any of that in his expert results. He said no and Camille left. Just shredded this idiot.

Rottenborn tried to fix this guy on redirect but only really tried to re-assert the narrative Johnny is lying about the vodka bottle and he was trying to throw shade Camille's way and she objected and got it sustained. lol But basically, he said it was all inconclusive what caused it. Just completely pointless.

Next up is some horrible lizard person who was presented as a domestic violence expert, but his specialty is in drug abuse and trauma named Dr. Spiegal. Like they didn't even convince this guy to comb his hair before he testified. He ran down his credentials and then Wayne, the guy on Depp's team who has been doing most of the expert direct and cross, decided to voir dire him which means to basically try disqualifying him as an expert. Speigal was a fucking weirdo who got insanely defensive with every question and basically his expertise in domestic violence was very minimal, so why is he here? Apparently everyone in the jury was united in hating this guy. He even thanked Wayne for allowing him to plug his book. This guy is just gross. But he basically makes this dude look like he doesn't know much about domestic violence and he let him talk and just be the most unsettling person that got everyone turning on him. He was never going to successfully voir dire him, but the point was exactly what I said. This guy looked HORRIBLE going into his testimony.

I'm gonna try to summarize all of the outlandish stuff this guy tried to testify to but he's a strange, strange man who did not come across well at all. Like, in general he just talks in such a strange way and asserts odd things like "I'm talking about the man, not the actor. I can't talk about the actor. But I'm talking about the man, who was addicted to drugs, and who eventually can't take anymore. But I'm not talking about the actor." Alright dude.

- Claimed that he has severe cognitive decline because of drug use, particularly with memory.
- Claimed his lines were fed to him on an ear piece (they weren't, and it was testified it wasn't).
- Said Johnny had mini-strokes without looking at a single MRI or based on anything other than he did drugs.
- Claimed that if you abuse drugs that you're absolutely going to abuse your significant others.
- Claimed Johnny speaks slowly during his testimony because he has severe cognitive decline due to drug use.
- He used his acting in movies to compare to his testimony to measure his cognitive decline.
- Johnny talking badly about Dr. Kipper is because he is a narcissist.
- Perpetrators of domestic violence do NOT seek out therapy. Only victims do.
- Johnny has narcissistic personality disorder. Bringing this case to trial is evidence of Johnny's narcissism.
- Using the law to win people over is another example of narcissism.
- "Are you familiar with gaslighting?" "Yes I am." Yeah, you're trying to do it to the jury right now.
- Listened to the audio tapes and said they were examples of Johnny gaslighting Amber.
- MARILYN MANSON

The man only spoke in absolutes too, so don't take anything I said like exaggerating--he said these things definitively with his whole chest. This guy sucked, was so creepy, and I challenge anyone to watch this guy and think he wasn't the slimiest pile of crap.

So Wayne comes up and cross examines him now. He starts with picking up with the last thing Elaine and Lurch talked about, which was the Goldwater Rule. It was a big thing because he claimed it didn't violate an ethics law to give an expert opinion on someone when you haven't conducted a direct evaluation. It's created by the American Psychology Association. This guy melted down trying to defend himself from this and would not stop talking aggressively and angrily, and he did a horrible job defending it. He knew he'd fly off the handle, so it was the perfect introduction.

It devolved from here where he tried to defend himself from other questions. "Maybe I'm wrong! Maybe you didn't say that! But I know you did!" The Judge clearly did not like him and had to admonish him a few times and from reports from people who were there, she looked like she felt uncomfortable being close to him.

Wayne asked a simple question "So you are not rendering any diagnosis on Mr. Depp here or any day?" The man broke. Lurch just was mouth agape, taking forever to fire off a response and said yes and then defended himself terribly again. Then said it was just a provisional diagnosis he made! Basically, Wayne just kept asking questions to see him spin his wheels and just devour himself.

Then Wayne points out he compared Johnny Depp's performances in the Pirates movies to the deposition he gave earlier, and he elaborates he compared it to other things too like commercials and interviews Johnny did. He then said he simply misspoke and he apologized.

"Did any of Mr. Depp's other portrayals in movies affect your analysis of processing speed?"

"Only if I've seen him interact on interviews. That's it!"

"Willy Wonka doesn't matter to you?"

The man straight up short circuited, made bizarre lizard motions with his mouth, and then asked the Judge if he had to answer that. B R O K E N

https://www.tiktok.com/@ashhmonster/video/7100977703704218923

"You have to answer questions, sir."

Then Wayne asks why he called Mr. Depp an idiot in his deposition. He goes into this big explanation trying to defend it and Wayne just goes "So 'I mean, he's an idiot', those words are mistranscribed?" More defense. "Is idiot a professional opinion? Is it a medical opinion? Is it your practice to call people you diagnose idiots?"

I mean, you get the gist of this. This man was a disaster. Other stupid things are that he admitted to not knowing anything about using an ear piece in acting and collapsed there and said he was sorry and was wrong but that he would assume it's a sign of cognitive decline still. He said Johnny Depp vomited on himself as another example of cognitive decline and then he was like "That picture had ice cream on it." And then he said that he was TOLD that it was vomit (gee by who?) and that he was wrong and he apologized.

This guy was killed and buried. I think Wayne got a little too lost in the weeds at times, but he got this guy to melt down and admit he was wrong multiple times so I can't be too hard on him. The jury hated him, and apparently one of them is in the medical field because she was nodding a lot when Wayne was talking about the Goldwater Rule.

Elaine comes back to re-direct. She didn't do a good job rehabbing this guy because I think it was just impossible. She overstepped the bounds of cross. She was failing to properly ask questions. The Judge fucking hates her at this point and it shows. Like who even cares what they said on re-direct in general this guy is a clown and looked awful and Elaine fixed nothing and the jury didn't care.

Next up is Kathryn Arnold who is an "entertainment industry consultant" which is a fancy word for saying she is a wholly unqualified expert who cannot be fucked to do any work. This was another legitimately awful witness who proved absolutely nothing about Johnny or Amber. It was fucking crazy how bad this woman was.

Basically, she was trying to say that Johnny's career was ruined because of literally everything but Amber Heard's accusations and op-ed. Like come on lady. She's just trying to use hearsay to say everything she was saying was fact. When she stepped over there, it was objected to and sustained.

It was so bizarre because she alleged that every little thing with Johnny impacted Depp's career, but when she talked about Amber she was like "Okay, only THIS one article was the cause of her losing work." First of all, she knows nothing about what was going on in Disney and she claims there are no damages because he didn't sign a contract and the movie doesn't exist and nobody believes that shit. Second of all, they literally have reasoning from Amber's own talent agent saying the reason she was given for almost losing the Aquaman 2 role was because of no chemistry with Jason Mamoa. So what are we even doing here?

Just wild speculation from her. Supposedly the Jack Sparrow character ran its course. Supposedly nobody in the industry knew of the op-ed before Johnny sued Amber. Supposedly everyone in the industry was more upset about him being late to things and filing lawsuits. Just speculation. No actual evidence. Literally "trust me bro" the expert. It was so bad. But not as bad until she started talking about Amber's damages from that one article from Waldman.

She "accidentally" calls it the Depp-Waldman article, and then they have a big ol' laugh about it and only call it the Depp-Waldman article from now on and I don't know how that wasn't objected to.

See, with Amber's career, she was ascending and rising steadily. She interchanged between saying Aquaman was the highest grossing DC comics movie ever and saying it was the most successful movie and all kinds of nonsense titles. Like stick to just saying it is DC comics stuff.

"The press tour was doing well and they wanted to give her more press." Ma'am, there are two interviews where she was drunk or high off her ass and couldn't even answer questions properly. One of them was so bad they had to pull it entirely.

She claimed all of the 1.2 million negative tweets about Amber directly referred to the Waldman article which is so outrageous. Oh, and it was a "campaign" apparently, to try and destroy her.

See, Aquaman was Amber's Star Is Born moment, where everyone knew her and she was world-renowned now! But then they decided to not let her be in the movie, but now it was James Wan and Jason Mamoa who demanded in emails their support for Amber (nevermind that Jason Mamoa didn't even want to touch her in the days leading up to the original movie). And this person said there were no chemistry issues between Amber and Mamoa because they did a chemistry test before the filming of the movie and it turned out really well! Nevermind that the movie came out and was wildly panned for their lack of chemistry, and they literally used that as the reason they wanted to boot her from Aquaman 2.

Amber made $1 million for Aquaman 1 and then $2 million for Aquaman 2 and she said that if it weren't for that article then she would have been able to negotiate for more. What makes her think that? Fuck you that's what. She couldn't keep track of these numbers at all.

But she talked about how Amber's role was reduced in the movie exponentially and how does she know specifically how it was gradually brought down? Fuck you that's how. She could be lying about anything and all of this and nobody would know and the most we get from this is just what Amber has told her, which is wild. She did no research on her own.

She then listed some comparable actors to Amber Heard before this. Everyone, contain yourselves.

Amber Heard's career was comparable to:

Jason Mamoa
Gal Gadot
Ana de Armas
Zendaya
Chris Pine

These are the most comparable to Amber Heard's career trajectory before the Waldman article, according to this woman. Because she said there are so few examples of people who were in super hero movies, this is her sample size. If you don't buy this and think it's hilariously stupid, don't worry! So did the jury. Word is this is the moment they thought she was absolutely out of her mind.

But she said if her career kept going the way it was going to, she would have made $50 million in the time after the article. WHAT? Where is the other $50 million she wants too? Absolute lunacy.

Anyway, on cross with Wayne she maintained that the Waldman statements were the only thing that made her career dive bomb. She just did this bizarre timeframe stuff and relying on those stupid charts with that dope from last week about Twitter hashtags.

He opens up another line of questioning by asking if any of the actors she listed ever had press about them defecating in the marital bed. And he asks if that has anything to do with Waldman and how she can't link it to the downturn in Amber's career. She said, as an EXPERT that she cannot or will not link any causation to that. Fuck ooooooff that's why you're here.

He then asks about Jason Mamoa's career, listing his filmography and she said she literally had no idea anything he was in, not even Game of Thrones. SO HOW IS SHE COMPARING THEIR CAREERS? And that he was the title character of Aquaman, and then listing off more movies he will be in and she knew none of them. He brings up he's having a divorce and it hasn't negatively affected him and she says she doesn't follow him at all. SO WHY IS SHE COMPARING THEIR CAREERS? How does she not know all of this as an expert when she testifies their careers are so similar!? She just named names.

Same thing for Gal Gadot, names a bunch of stuff about her and she knows NOTHING about her.

He brings up that Zendaya is so popular she goes by one name and then names off a bunch of stuff about her including that she's won actual Emmy awards and asks how to compare them.

She breaks and tries to explain again she just compared them to random actors who were in super hero movies. What the fuck. And she said that if Aquaman made Jason Mamoa popular, it should surely make Amber Heard popular too! This woman sounds so freaking stupid it's crazy.

Wayne points out that comic book heroes get recast all the time, including for Batman. She doesn't know who the latest Batman is. He points out it's no big deal to recast freaking Mera if they'll recast Batman.

He brings up that Chris Pine was in Star Trek and points out he's Captain Kirk and she says she doesn't know who that is and then acts like the breakout role was still Wonder Woman.

It's insane that she presented these as examples without knowing ANYTHING about their careers. He even brought up Patrick Wilson in Aquaman and she said she didn't know who Patrick Wilson was! Your job is to literally be an expert in this field and you don't even know the other lead role in the same movie as Amber Heard!?

Oh, and Jason Mamoa's agent shared confidential talks about Jason Mamoa's contract to her apparently. WHOOPS. And she compared THE STAND on Paramount+ to GAME OF THRONES, and then states The Stand was a "significant" television show. Excuse me. Anyway, he brings up the Warner Bros. expert they have to give information about how they never renegotiate contracts unless it's a rarity like with Jason Mamoa, and how the Warner Bros. guy said that Johnny Depp and any statements regarding him had nothing to do with why they were trying to get rid of Amber, and she said she doesn't remember seeing that in his statement they read.

"But muh experience says..." Just unsufferable trust me bro stuff. He says she just disregarded all of the WB Exec entirely and she tries to claim she didn't.

She didn't even look at any information on another movie Amber was in, Gully, and doesn't know ANYTHING about it. She did not even factor it in her analysis at all. Why is she an expert!?

Elaine on re-direct is Elaine on re-direct with another impossibly bad expert and she tried to rehab but failed. Does anyone care? Just rehashing more BS testimony.

That's it for today. Want to see how much of a disaster this is? Here's our time.

Johnny: 15h51m left
Amber: 4h9m left

Amber isn't even done with her case in chief yet and she is about to head into the last three days with only 4 hours to do anything. They wasted over 4 hours on these expert witnesses that did not help her case at all. The moment they run out of time, the Judge is going to cut them off to the second and refuse to let them do any further cross examinations on any witnesses. What god awful time management.

This day annoyed me. Tomorrow we get to interesting rebuttals at least.

Edit: Oh, one last thing. Elaine in that re-direct was so awful that the Judge had to actually tell her how to phrase a couple questions so they aren't leading so they can get on with it and end the re-direct so everyone can go home. Just hilariously bad.

That Hollywood "expert" is insane.

Not enough people in super hero movies?

Thinks Game of Thrones and The Stand are comparably important/big shows?

Doesn't know who Captain fucking Kirk is?!

I think it would be difficult to find someone less knowledgeable about the entertainment industry.

Just woke up but the Motion to Strike Amber's counter claim was denied. It's not terribly shocking, but I still feel it's really seedy that the jury has to make an assumption over attorney-client privilege. Not sure what argument was used, but the jury will be deciding on it still (but good lord they will not be giving Amber a cent and I can promise you that).

CassandraCain posted...

Completely untrue. DC has a ton of awesome superheroes and supporting characters, WB just doesn't know how to write, cast, or direct any of them well.

Disagree about the superheroes. It's really just Batman that I see as complex and less-than-perfect. The supporting casts, however, I can agree with. And the DCU hasn't interested me at all because I haven't heard any reason to go see another superhero movie.

Also I feel sorry for anyone unfortunate enough to have been his patient before.

Likewise. This guy is slime. I like Biscuit's description of him as "lizard person." He immediately gave me bad vibes, but it was the self-promotion of his book where he lost me entirely - and that was EARLY. I didn't fully pay attention to him after that because I'd already checked out from this guy, so I missed a lot of those points.

Thinking that drugs will guarantee abuse of an SO... ridiculous. Being difficult to live with does NOT equate to deliberate psychological abuse. And Lizard Guy trying to pass off Amber as a "victim" who went crazy because of Johnny was hilarious. Uh, no. IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND! Saying that Johnny is the one with Narcissistic Personality Disorder is ridiculous, since that's Amber (who's the one stomping on other people here?). And him thinking that Amber, the perpetrator, wouldn't seek counseling is... yikes. This guy knows nothing. A lot of his points were pretty spot-on about Amber, not about Johnny. She's the victim-blamer. I hate to be an armchair psychiatrist (because that's what Dr. Spiegel is), but I'd take a gander that she has some mix of NPD, Bipolar Disorder, Severe Depressive Disorder, ADHD, and BPD. I would entrust someone with a degree in neuropsychology to evaluate her, because I would never qualify myself as an "expert" witness.

The first guy at least appeared credible but unknowing about a patient that wasn't his. I don't see this having any negative impact on his career, just on Amber's lack of a case. "So you say you have an expert judgment, but... you weren't provided all the evidence? How can we trust you when you've never examined Johnny and have never seen half of these images?" It's also ridiculous how they spent so much time on that one finger injury as if that proves anything at this point (it doesn't). Rottenborn trying to dis Camille firmly got me to hate him. Camille is the heroine of this story.

This day is exactly why I'd never want jury duty. I'd be so disengaged and bored, and I'd be like "Amber's guilty and has no case. Nothing can change my mind. Can we go now?" and hope that the rest of the jury agreed. I'm also looking forward to Amber's clock expiring with a beep and the judge telling the witness to finish their answer, because that's the last word Ms. Turd's team gets.

I can see the comparisons to Ana de Armas in terms of when popularity spiked. However, 1) Ana's younger and 2) Ana's a fantastic actress (I mean, just watch Knives Out and No Time to Die, and then go "HOLY SHIT THAT WAS THE SAME GIRL!?" despite the two roles being direct opposites). Also, I'd consider casting Ana as Camille in the movie version of this trial. No idea who'd play Amber, since her career is over. Johnny would play himself and co-produce.

Also Dr. Spiegel surely is getting his career destroyed over this cross-exam. What a weasel.

lmao the president of DC films in Warner Bros. just outright saying that Amber Heard and Jason Mamoa had no chemistry so they wanted to shit can her and that the role was always minor, and affirmed that the Waldman statements and anything to do with Johnny Depp were not involved with that. There's likely a lot more to it than just bad chemistry, because it seems like Mamoa really didn't like her. But if that counter-claim was granted life support by the Judge, it is now being put to rest entirely in the jury's minds.

Oh nooooo.

Richard Marks, the guy who brokered the deals for FREAKING STAR WARS, that testified before immediately came on and said that the other expert has no idea what the hell she's talking about and that she doesn't make any deals at all or understands anything about the Hollywood landscape.

Entire testimony, completely killed in 30 seconds.

It seems odd that absolutely everything always goes wrong for Heard, youd think shed at least get one victory.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

And the DCU hasn't interested me at all because I haven't heard any reason to go see another superhero movie.

Well yeah their movies suck, again that's the fault of WB. The comics have a lot of well written superheroes with satisfying character moments. Superman, Flash, Green Lantern, even Animal Man for some examples. If WB learned how to write superhero movies we'd see much better versions of DC heroes and they would gain a ton of popularity. Granted I don't see that happening any time soon.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

He immediately gave me bad vibes, but it was the self-promotion of his book where he lost me entirely - and that was EARLY.

Yeah the very first clip I watched yesterday was about him, and in the beginning 10 seconds was his "thanks for plugging my book" line and it immediately disgusted me.

It's hilarious when you compare both teams. Johnny has all these well spoken respectable people who can talk and act reasonably and politely. Then you have Amber's team with literal cartoon villains. What a contrast.

Anagram posted...

It seems odd that absolutely everything always goes wrong for Heard, youd think shed at least get one victory.

It's difficult for lawyers to defend you when they don't have all the information (or are lied to by their client) or are being strong-armed into presenting facts in a certain way. More so in uphill cases as seen with Heard.

It's also worth noting that since Amber filed a counter-claim for $100 million that she needs to prove those damages too, which is impossible and entirely speculative and just will not happen.

Additionally, under normal circumstances this would have been settled out of court and dealt with accordingly before it ever got to trial. However, Johnny wanted the trial to happen and Amber wouldn't settle anyway judging by how fiercely she wanted the counter-claim, so now they had to present everything. The facts being so poor on Amber's side would be reason enough to settle normally but that just wasn't an option, so they have to make due with what they have.

You have to get bottom of the barrel "professional experts" who will just say whatever shit you need them to with a spin, not actually be experts in the field. So she keeps losing because she has nothing she can make a win.

I liked when Marks testified before, he was long winded but always had some interesting tangent. It looked like Amber was writing or drawing something real violent while he was testifying today, lmao.

Mr. Q Score came back to just murder literally every semblance of the counter-claim being legitimate and tore down Twitter Hashtag guy and the "Hollywood Expert".

And he's not even done yet. This is masterful.

Anagram posted...

It seems odd that absolutely everything always goes wrong for Heard, youd think shed at least get one victory.

I believe this has a lot to do with Amber not admitting a single fault. Johnny has admitted he has drug problems and that he's not perfect, but that he never hurt Amber. Being difficult to live with doesn't make someone abusive. It was unintentional - that's just how he is, and he wasn't playing games. He was trying to make things work. It was just difficult for him because of his issues.

I can relate. I know I am complicated to deal with, but I am open about that. Yes, I'm not easy, but I will make it worth it. I am GOING to make any woman I date feel like a goddess, just for putting up with me and helping me through the constant mind-fuck I live in. And, because I admit that, people in general (not just dating prospects) are more likely to empathize and try to understand.

Amber, on the other hand, acts as if she's this saintly heroine of justice. She is in reality a heavily distorted harpy with a superiority complex who feels the need to lord over her SO and victim-blame. Her narrative that is not consistent with reality (especially not the recordings) when she doesn't have much evidence and doesn't have any witnesses to corroborate. I'd think things would go her way more if she admitted her faults instead of championing herself. I'd love to see her Palace crumble.

Dr. Spiegel got his credibility undermined significantly - not that there was anything credible about him to begin with. Yet another witness on Ms. Turd's side that helped Johnny and only wasted her time allotment. The fact that they're not gonna have much time to cross-examine on rebuttal is killer.

(I'm only at lunch break on yesterday's proceedings. Doing what I can to catch up.)

It wouldn't have taken much either. Obviously this is hindsight, but framing it as a "I fought back against my abuser" would have been better taken by the public, especially when you know people witnessed you attacking Depp.

I cannot believe the level of malding from Elaine and Amber Heard's team over notorious e-grifter ThatUmbrellaGuy.

Absolutely enjoying the karmic retribution that's been dished out to this loathsome vile narcissistic psychopath. Her lies being exposed by the Warner Bros D.C President should have her guilty of perjury which she is so obviously guilty of on many other accounts as well.

Just something about truly evil people being exposed is just so satisfying. At this rate I don't even care if Johnny actually did hit her back in retaliation, I just want this person to go down and be brought to justice.

If Johnny Depp doesn't win this now, the jury should be shunned by the whole world for their absolute stupidity, hypocrisy and sexism. If this case were the other way around with, it would have been a slam dunk win with no dispute.

Axl_Rose_85 posted...

Absolutely enjoying the karmic retribution that's been dished out to this loathsome vile narcissistic psychopath. Her lies being exposed by the Warner Bros D.C President should have her guilty of perjury which she is so obviously guilty of on many other accounts as well.

Just something about truly evil people being exposed is just so satisfying. At this rate I don't even care if Johnny actually did hit her back in retaliation, I just want this person to go down and be brought to justice.

If Johnny Depp doesn't win this now, the jury should be shunned by the whole world for their absolute stupidity, hypocrisy and sexism. If this case were the other way around with, it would have been a slam dunk win with no dispute.

Very normal thing to post

Only thing I've seen you post is defending Aquaman as the most successful D.C movie

Kind of a big deal.

https://twitter.com/Beatrix32021692/status/1529193418659966978?t=KIK5wauhVo8vYhdOl_jDxg&s=19

Isn't that person Amber Heard herself? But of course she will deny it blame her lawyers instead.

...Kitchen video?

Edit: Oh the old one, thought this was a new thing.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Very normal thing to post

This topic is full of completely normal posts with nothing wrong with them

Catch-up notes:

1. I never asked: What's The Stand? I've never heard of it.
2. Pirates 5 not performing as well didn't have anything to do with Johnny Depp. It had everything to do with people being sick of redundant swashbuckling movies with the same cast.
3. Kathryn Arnold should lose her job over this. She is not an "expert" in the slightest; she's wholly unintelligent. The sheer amount of ignorant babble that came out of her mouth... yikes. If I were her employer, I would not someone this embarrassing representing my company.
4. Apparently there were defamatory remarks toward Amber, but not toward Johnny in this psycho's brain? WUT? Her testimony was hilarious for all the most infuriating reasons. At least Dr. Spiegel knows things from textbooks (though not how to identify them properly) and the hand surgeon guy is a probably good doctor who didn't know jack squat about Jack Sparrow's injury. This woman believes literally everything she hears since she can't think for herself.
5. When Ms. Arnold started rattling off the list of names of "comparable careers" I trained my eyes on the gallery audience and there were a couple of facepalms, a few heads shaken, and a few people busting up in stitches. The jury most certainly reacted the same way. Amber, who's been around since like 2008 or so, was hardly relevant until being cast as Mera. Again, Ana de Armas is the only one on there that's an apt comparison in terms of career trajectory, but Ana's a great actress while Amber is not. This is why Ana's on the upsring
6. Wayne absolutely destroyed her. Glorious.
7. Starting today... the defense finally rested. They have very limited time to cross-examine and rebut the rebuttal. Another two hours would've been handy for them.
8. Ben Chew's rant went on for way too long. The defense's rebuttal said the court in the UK said it's just a fact that he's a wife-beater. Amber is the beater. This has been proven. Amber's team still thinks they could win this counter-claim. Their chance is below zero. The argument that Adam Waldman was speaking for Johnny made me crack up laughing. It's been proven that the harpy beat Johnny beyond a reasonable doubt. No defamatory comments were made by Waldman.

I stopped there after yadda-yadda-yaddaing the rest of it. Sad that the ludicrous counter-claim was denied. The $100 million is such a ridiculous sum that is unsubstantiated and solely based on conjecture. As was said, if this was gender-reversed, it would be a very open-and-shut case, and if justice does not prevail... I don't wanna know what would happen tbh.

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