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XIII_rocks posted...

Taskmaster NZ is so good tho

Where can I watch it? I loved what I was able to watch of the original.

GuessMyUserName posted...

it's unreal the way they complain about outrage culture while completely steeped in every form of media hell bent on riling themselves up about how white men are under attack (literally what was being said in a podcast he was listening to first thing in the morning while visiting) and it leaves them constantly on-edge

when he comes by I just try to distract him with games & shows but it's useless, he can't stop zoning back out for hours checking back to the discord groups, podcasts, youtube videos, and social media comments sections, all while calling everyone a sheep while he's the carbon-copy clone of every terminally online alt-righter on the web.

meanwhile he's complained to my sister that I'm not friendly enough to him anymore and he thinks it's because of the hormones, jfc

No offense to your bro, but it sounds like he needs to, get a job get a life. It might seriously do wonders for him!

tbh it's probably a good thing that he can't TA anymore, which is why he's gonna have to move back home with our mom next month

he'd sometimes be marking papers here and complaining about mentions of racism or discrimination, or he'd explicitly get more critical if they mentioned COVID

Genuine question GMUN, does your brother like closely follow Jordan Peterson and be like, "yeah, this is what an ideal Canadian is like"?

He's literally got JP merchandise (some dumb lobster shirt)

in an insta post he posed with it with some nonsense about trolling the libs and gloating that his professor supposedly has a connection to him

He tried to keep it light last year, because of me he'd say "sure his opinions on trans issues are silly but the rest is really smart," citing how "overblown" the patriarchy is -- "fun" note my brother has a long history of harassing his ex-girlfriends, and I mean that I straight-up caught him creating multiple fake emails to threaten a non-responsive ex who at the time had already broken up with him for half a year. He was literally whining about hotmail repeatedly botchecking him, which is what got me notice what the hell he was doing.

Maniac64 posted...

Where can I watch it? I loved what I was able to watch of the original.

It was uploaded to youtube and then dailymotion but it's since been taken down. Idk.

Corrik7 posted...

Damn yinz made this liberal right wing now in 2021.

no, we didn't.

the idea that US politics in general has become more left-wing is preposterous and that meme is asinine.

GuessMyUserName posted...

He tried to keep it light last year, because of me he'd say "sure his opinions on trans issues are silly but the rest is really smart,"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEz32OTifL4

yeah, this guy has some galaxy brain takes.

sounds like your brother would get along well with wang, though! wang used to make tons of posts in the gamergate topics about how awesome and smart jordan peterson is.

(sidenote: literally everyone in the comments section of that video is treating peterson like some kind of god. jesus christ youtube you always find new ways to disappoint me.)

I think people view themselves as moderate on most issues but socially cool which the right wing is not, and the more religious and lame and judgmental they seemed, the more liberal people felt like they were.

around the time that the tea party came into power it seems like the stance became less pro-god and more anti-progressive.

im sure I could have worded this better

Mr Lasastryke posted...

no, we didn't.

the idea that US politics in general has become more left-wing is preposterous and that meme is asinine.

Both extremes have moved. San Fransisco renaming Washington high because he had slaves for instance is completely insane. Republicans have obviously become much more crazy, but dont act like the Democratic Party today is the democratic party of bill Clinton

the social policies of the left have moved perhaps, but economically nah

masterplum posted...

Both extremes have moved. San Fransisco renaming Washington high because he had slaves for instance is completely insane. Republicans have obviously become much more crazy, but dont act like the Democratic Party today is the democratic party of bill Clinton

Does it not bother you that your example is a random city renaming a school.

Like think about it. It's just a school name. It has no real impact on anyone's life. Like... can you try to step outside of yourself and realize even comparing the two is utterly batshit insane?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Does it not bother you that your example is a random city renaming a school.

Like think about it. It's just a school name. It has no real impact on anyone's life. Like... can you try to step outside of yourself and realize even comparing the two is utterly batshit insane?

It's not a random city, it's a far left city and it's a public event the same way right wingers say things publicly vs what they do privately

Do you think you would be comfortable being a moderate history teacher in a school where the message is George Washington was a bad person because he owned slaves?

Yes? People are morally grey all the time. That is the tapestry of any place. Washington did a lot of great things for this country but as a person who loves history there is no need to overlook the bad things. I would gladly debate anyone who said "Washington was all bad" just as much as I could debate someone who said "Washington was all good."

By random I mean it is the 17th biggest city in the US and 4th in California. It's a big city but it doesn't really have any importance? Also why are we comparing history teachers comfort to healthcare, poverty, education in GENERAL on a much larger scale, etc.

It's like... I don't understand how your brain works, to be honest. We see people dying and education getting slashed and your example is... a school being renamed.

Like... dude. It's a school name. Of a dead guy. He's going to be okay.

Amusingly relevant study I read about yesterday

https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-passages/haidt/conservatives-understand-liberals-better-than-liberals-understand-conservatives/

You wonder why conservatives are frustrated when liberals misconstrue and mock their beliefs, and then that anger leads to extremism

Like I don't believe basically anything conservatives believe, but I swear it's the principal skinner meme sometimes of liberals walking around just thinking conservatives have no thoughts or feelings whatsoever confused why some people don't agree with them and they don't win every election

No, I understand perfectly how one gets the mindset to be a conservative. It's when you don't actually read the Bible and take away none of the lessons of Jesus but say his name to downtalk people you don't like or understand.

Conservative views really only become problematic when discussing the 'other' in some way. I get along fine with conservatives when I want to because I believe in God and am as white as milk.

I don't understand you in particular because you are smart enough to play mafia but you are for some god forsaken reason comparing school names to actual serious real world issues and expect anyone to give a fuck

Also I don't really trust that study unless I see the foundations behind it, as that site looks pretty creepy lol.

Meanwhile you call it insane that people dont feel great about slavery in 2022 and do t even try to suggest you have any idea why they might feel that way

Oh, yeah I picked a source citing the study. Should have found the actual study

masterplum posted...

Amusingly relevant study I read about yesterday

https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-passages/haidt/conservatives-understand-liberals-better-than-liberals-understand-conservatives/

You wonder why conservatives are frustrated when liberals misconstrue and mock their beliefs, and then that anger leads to extremism

Like I don't believe basically anything conservatives believe, but I swear it's the principal skinner meme sometimes of liberals walking around just thinking conservatives have no thoughts or feelings whatsoever confused why some people don't agree with them and they don't win every election

Theres literally zero percent chance this is true, dude conservatives cant even identify a liberal, leftists, or the differences between??

What are you smoking?

But also I will say I have a lot of problems with liberals too. I pity most conservative voters as they never really had a chance. I want their lives to be better too because their lives being better enhances my own because of rising boat theory. When they have healthcare and education the country becomes better and safer going forward. They resist because they are have been misled for decades now purposefully. Some are assholes but most are ignorant working class folk doing their best and sipping out of the wrong tea cup and I do wish some of my left wingers would understand that better. It's really the politicians and right wing media that I would burn down in a housefire if I could.

neonreaper posted...

Meanwhile you call it insane that people dont feel great about slavery in 2022 and do t even try to suggest you have any idea why they might feel that way

Because it's stupidly pedantic when nearly everyone who was rich had slaves for thousands of years. Let's rename all the calendar months named after Roman emperors they had slaves. And let's shun going to see pyramids in Egypt, ancient architecture in Europe or Asia.

Might as well state every rich person before 1700 was a bad person and you shouldn't find anything about them positive because they had slaves

Here is a better article

https://bakadesuyo.com/2012/05/whos-better-at-pretending-to-be-the-other-sid/

masterplum posted...

Because it'd stupidly pedantic when nearly everyone who was rich had slaves for thousands of years. Let's rename all the calendar months named after Roman emperors they had slaves. And let's shun going to see pyramids in Egypt, ancient architecture in Europe or Asia.

Might as well state every rich person before 1700 was a bad person and you shouldn't find anything about them positive because they had slaves

Fun fact in my history classes we talked mad shit about the Roman and Egyptian empires because of this. "Wow that's really fucked up."

"Hey he had slaves, let's not name schools after him." sounds like a reasonable take to me. Because the school name is a symbolic gesture and nothing else.

Okay I have taken the time to listen to the explanation of this study and I will say any liberal who answers for a conservative that 'justice isn't an important virtue' is braindead <_<

This is my problem with politics in general is I have more in common with a very nuanced, highly intelligent slightly conservative person (say lotm) than I do a braindead very progressive person! Like anyone who just screeches at the typical conservative voter (note voter not media etc) that they are the worst full stop has no understanding of how we got here.

Also I read about the study, and its faulty as hell lol.

Everyone self-identified their beliefs, and then guessed the beliefs of others based on those same questions.

The thing is, conservatives literally dont understand their own beliefs.

Liberals assumed Conservatives would disagree with Justice is the most important thing because they know Conservatives genuinely love to see non-convicted criminals get gunned down in the street. This isnt exaggeration, they fucking love it.

Liberals see that as being unjust, Conservatives see it as the ultimate justice (and Id argue theyre objectively wrong)

Just about every issue is like this.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Also I read about the study, and its faulty as hell lol.

Everyone self-identified their beliefs, and then guessed the beliefs of others based on those same questions.

The thing is, conservatives literally dont understand their own beliefs.

Liberals assumed Conservatives would disagree with Justice is the most important thing because they know Conservatives genuinely love to see non-convicted criminals get gunned down in the street. This isnt exaggeration, they fucking love it.

Liberals see that as being unjust, Conservatives see it as the ultimate justice (and Id argue theyre objectively wrong)

Just about every issue is like this.

Yeah but I disagree, if you are smart and understand the conservative mindset its pretty obvious their answer.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Liberals assumed Conservatives would disagree with Justice is the most important thing because they know Conservatives genuinely love to see non-convicted criminals get gunned down in the street. This isnt exaggeration, they fucking love it.

exactly this. it's not so much "liberals don't understand conservatives" as it is "the beliefs of conservatives are self-contradictory nonsense."

okay to be fair I play mafia a lot so I am good at pretending to be dumb if need be so maybe I expect too much of people to be able to wear a conservative skin suit <_<

No I would have answered it correctly, but I dont think someone is braindead for answering a question about conservatives using the same definition they used for themselves.

Chris identified them as the very progressive as opposed to moderates like LotM, but I would almost be willing to bet they were technocratic libs like an Inviso type.

masterplum posted...

Because it's stupidly pedantic when nearly everyone who was rich had slaves for thousands of years. Let's rename all the calendar months named after Roman emperors they had slaves. And let's shun going to see pyramids in Egypt, ancient architecture in Europe or Asia.

Might as well state every rich person before 1700 was a bad person and you shouldn't find anything about them positive because they had slaves

I feel like there's a wide spectrum between "we need to name things after them and their voices count the most in politics 250 years later and let's build statues and only ever talk about how great they were and if anybody ever says anything negative about them they hate America" and "we need to pretend they never existed like the scum of the earth they are" that you're kinda leaving out here- most of us aren't asking for the latter, we just want to chill out a bit on the former. Which I think is about how we already treat ancient Rome and Egypt and stuff? History is history but I don't think we have to treat some of these people as infallible heroes the way we were brought up to do.

masterplum posted...

Both extremes have moved. San Fransisco renaming Washington high because he had slaves for instance is completely insane. Republicans have obviously become much more crazy, but dont act like the Democratic Party today is the democratic party of bill Clinton

Should it be?

Should we go back to the days of Don't Ask Don't tell? The days when the Rodney King Riots were still fresh, and the idea of 'black lives matter' wouldn't even be in its infancy? Progress means that the world will naturally move with it. I'd argue insanity isn't moving with the world. It's clinging to the past, in hopes of maintaining what you consider 'normal'. Our system of morality is evolving. As it should. The human race is growing. And before you go "I'm not a racist! I'm not a homophobe!" I'm not saying you are. I'm reminding you of where we were three decades ago, versus where we are now, and why we are no longer the party of Bill Clinton. Progress. And if anything I'd say we've deified our founding fathers to an extent that's not healthy.

'We're not perfect.'
'Especially Hamilton'
'Hey!"
'So we'll let them amend this thing, you know, for things we couldn't see.'
'makes sense'

*2022*

ThEy WeRe PeRfEcT

Also werent multiple founders strongly against slavery?

It's not like "slavery is bad" was some radical opinion back then.

Maniac64 posted...

Also werent multiple founders strongly against slavery?

It's not like "slavery is bad" was some radical opinion back then.

yeah but rich people did it anyway so it's OK as we all know money > morals

masterplum posted...

Might as well state every rich person was a bad person

Well if youre gonna ask so politely

Maniac64 posted...

Also werent multiple founders strongly against slavery?

It's not like "slavery is bad" was some radical opinion back then.

Yeah, Ben Franklin and Thomas Paine are probably the most famous, I think? Franklin had owned slaves, but had become an abolitionist by the time of the founding.

Vermont and Pennsylvania effectively outlawed slavery during the Revolution. Massachusetts did in 1783. Pretty much every state north of Maryland did by 1804 which is well within the lifetime of the Founders.

I mean globally, the UK had outlawed slavery (though not in its colonies) before the Revolution.

Tom Bombadil posted...

I feel like there's a wide spectrum between "we need to name things after them and their voices count the most in politics 250 years later and let's build statues and only ever talk about how great they were and if anybody ever says anything negative about them they hate America" and "we need to pretend they never existed like the scum of the earth they are" that you're kinda leaving out here- most of us aren't asking for the latter, we just want to chill out a bit on the former. Which I think is about how we already treat ancient Rome and Egypt and stuff? History is history but I don't think we have to treat some of these people as infallible heroes the way we were brought up to do.

Slavery in the ancient world generally was not the same institution we are familiar with. It wasn't so racialized, and slaves had greater rights and legal personhood than they did in New World slavery from the 1500s on.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Okay I have taken the time to listen to the explanation of this study and I will say any liberal who answers for a conservative that 'justice isn't an important virtue' is braindead <_<

This is my problem with politics in general is I have more in common with a very nuanced, highly intelligent slightly conservative person (say lotm) than I do a braindead very progressive person! Like anyone who just screeches at the typical conservative voter (note voter not media etc) that they are the worst full stop has no understanding of how we got here.

While they lack understanding, the reason is they do not care. They do not care if any of their side's goals are achieved so there is no need to gain understanding. All they really want is the opportunity to exercise power over others.

red sox 777 posted...

While they lack understanding, the reason is they do not care. They do not care if any of their side's goals are achieved so there is no need to gain understanding. All they really want is the opportunity to exercise power over others.

Case in point: Youre tellling me mfers who actually believe this stuff know liberals?

Liberal, conservative, left, right, far left, far right, and progressive are all terms that have taken on so many meanings that you can't really tell who's being described by those terms anymore. At least not without knowing the speaker and context.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

exactly this. it's not so much "liberals don't understand conservatives" as it is "the beliefs of conservatives are self-contradictory nonsense."

I mean theres a reason that conservatives have enthusiastically and completely unironically embraced the Punishers logo.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1521630589710872576?s=21&t=haIaAefIC3b_8HiHKRgmQQ

Free speech now not free lol

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1521630589710872576?s=21&t=haIaAefIC3b_8HiHKRgmQQ

Free speech now not free lol

The person can still sign up as a casual user and not pay , they just cant peddle their wares lol

red sox 777 posted...

I can't imagine there's stuff that would impact his valuation of Twitter that wasn't disclosed to him before they signed that's going to come out now.

Sort of:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1525049369552048129

It sounds like Twitter did disclose the info but Musk hasn't confirmed it is true yet. I assume Twitter is telling the truth and thus there's no actual problem. I have no idea what happens if it turns out Twitter was lying.

Is it possible they weren't lying and are instead genuinely mistaken

I read that if Musk pulls out, he has to pay Twitter 1 billion USD. Is there a potential scenario here where Musk finds out that the number is higher than 5%, and uses that as an excuse to pull out of the deal without paying up?

I think its extremely likely that hes looking for a way to bail since the Tesla stock he borrowed against has fallen over 25% in value since he made the deal

red sox 777 posted...

Slavery in the ancient world generally was not the same institution we are familiar with. It wasn't so racialized, and slaves had greater rights and legal personhood than they did in New World slavery from the 1500s on.

um...

XIII_rocks posted...

Is it possible they weren't lying and are instead genuinely mistaken

I read that if Musk pulls out, he has to pay Twitter 1 billion USD. Is there a potential scenario here where Musk finds out that the number is higher than 5%, and uses that as an excuse to pull out of the deal without paying up?

That's what it sounds like to me. That he's looking for an excuse to cancel without penalty and then maybe renegotiate to buy at a lower price. Pretty much all tech stocks have fallen a lot since he made the offer so Twitter's share price without the deal would likely be much lower too.