Board 8 > Johnny Depp v. Amber Heard Trial

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So is anyone else actually following this? I've been following it since the first day of trial for a couple reasons. First of which is that the events of what Johnny had endured with Amber hit very close to an experience of mine. The second of which is because I'm just a big law nerd and I like following trials. It's in my wheelhouse of my profession. I remember when Amber's claims came out first I was very skeptical that she was the only one abused here, and then as information trickled out I was convinced that it was at the very least mutually abusive. After watching and following everything, I'm pretty convinced it was just Amber outright abusive Johnny Depp emotionally, mentally, and physically.

So far it's been very interesting. As a quick recap, Amber Heard filed for a divorce and for a restraining order against Johnny Depp. They got divorced and set out a joint statement of mutual abuse. Johnny Depp's career had cratered and then he attempted to sue The Sun in the UK after they called him a wife beater. He lost that case because of a bizarre law that The Sun could say what they wanted because "that was all the information they had at the time" but a lot of information came out about their relationship that didn't really go mainstream.

And later, Amber Heard wrote an article with the Washington Post where she discussed the abuse she had survived, but didn't name Johnny, but it was obvious it was about him. So he's suing for defamation over that and is undergoing a 6 week trial which is... a lot.

Johnny Depp just finished his own testimony and it was pretty harrowing. He had the tip of his finger blown off by Amber throwing a vodka bottle at it, and then she put a cigarette out on his face. He alleged multiple attempts at gaslighting, cruelty, namecalling, explosions over small things, and multiple instances of physical abuse, along with pictures and images showing bruises and scrapes on him. He eventually decided he would break things off and left to go see his dying mother, and she literally shit on his bed and sent him a picture of it.

Meanwhile, nobody so far has said that they've ever seen a single bruise on Amber who was around her around the time of the incident. And the day she had a bruise on her and went to file a restraining order, a man who lived next to them and was talking to her for a bit early on in the morning saw her without a bruise that entire morning the day of, when Johnny wasn't even there.

It's a very difficult case to win still, and Amber Heard's team appears to be going for a technicality win by trying to claim that a) nobody knew it was Johnny Depp she was talking about in the article; and b) Johnny was already cancelled before the story came out despite Disney putting out that he would no longer be Jack Sparrow in the Pirates of the Caribbean movie directly after that.

It's been really interesting though, and very sad watching the whole thing. If anyone wants me to post any more detailed info from each day, or a summary of events from a general and legal perspective, let me know.

I've been following very loosely. I live in Fairfax County so it's kind of a local curiosity.

I'd love to read the developments of the case.

I read a bit about it around the web and it's really not looking good for Amber Heard. I'm really curious though just what made Heard so...deranged.

I'll try to summarize Day 1 and get to the rest of the days as I have time.

DAY 1

Opening argument for Johnny Depp was solid enough. I feel it could have been a little more impactful, and one of the attorneys was reading off a piece of paper which doesn't read as well, but it was still solid. I think it had room for improvement and I'm routinely sort of underwhelmed by Depp's attorneys overall. That's a trend you'll see.

The opening argument for Amber Heard's team was... disjointed, to say the least. The first person who spoke, who is the most unfortunately named attorney Mr. Rottenborn, did a good job laying out the facts and kept it focused more on the question of if Johnny Depp actually had damages or was defamed from this. The woman who spoke after him was out of her fucking mind though and shrieking and screaming and it felt like she was berating everyone talking about how Amber was a survivor and how she was trying to defend herself and I frankly zoned out of it because it was just difficult to listen to. I can't remember her name but she is legitimately awful as an attorney, as I can probably explain more later.

The first sets of witnesses is for Johnny Depp, and the first one was his sister, Kristen Zembrowsky (sp?), who worked as an assistant on various films before becoming Johnny's manager. She detailed the awful childhood they had with their abusive mother. She kept pretty chill, all things considered.

Sidebar, because this is important, it became clear with the first witness that Heard's lawyers would be very objection happy. They object constantly, with very flimsy logic and the Judge keeps granting it because Depp's lawyers never have a good reason, and they should. They will object to foundation questions claiming there's no foundation for them and it's frustrating sometimes. And they just keep objecting because the Judge grants them. It's not bias or anything because she grants crappy ones from Depp's lawyers too.

But back to Johnny's sister. The home life is pretty tragic and their mother was just horrible. Bigger things from this are that she saw Amber constantly and never saw her hurt or with any marks or bruises on her. She detailed that she did not like how Amber treated Johnny, and said that she remembered a story where they were talking about a deal he could get modeling for Sauvage cologne. Amber came in and then berated him and told him it was ridiculous that they would want him to model for it because he doesn't have any style. Kristen said this was a constant thing. She also said she would always have to book two hotel rooms when they traveled because Johnny would always leave every time there was conflict. She also discussed that the wedding came out of nowhere and was set up so fast that a lot of people in Johnny's family couldn't even attend. She claimed Amber would also come to her and tell her things about Johnny, but she didn't really believe what she was telling him. And bigger, she discussed the final days of their mother's life which was right before Amber said she was assaulted and Johnny told her that they were arguing again and they just talked about how he didn't want to do this anymore.

On cross, they mostly tried to paint her as hating Amber but she held up and said she wanted to be happy. They also tried to attack her credibility in other ways but it was largely ineffective. Probably the biggest thing is that they have her discuss Johnny's drinking and drug issues. She had sent a text saying "Stop Drinking. Stop doing coke." in text messages, and they badgered her about that, which was fair, but they asked her more questions and she was able to clarify she never saw him do coke or anything.

I'll post Day 2 thoughts as I can get around to it.

all i really saw was that Eve "Eve Fartlow" Barlow is apparently Amber Heard's girlfriend now, and she got kicked out of the courtroom for attempting to live tweet the trial with this incredible quip from "The Court"

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DAY 2

Oh, I forgot that the rest of the cross of Kristen, Depp's sister, happened here.

Mostly because the next witness was Isaac Barusch, who was a close friend of Johnny Depp's since they were young and lived in the same group of penthouses as Depp and Heard did. This is one wild old dude. He was fun, vibrant, and he was a delight to listen to. He is such an extremely important part of this case.

Basically, he talked about how he lived in Florida taking care of his mother who eventually passed. He's an artist and he talked to Johnny about not having a place and wanting to focus on his arts, and Johnny offered to be his patron and give him a place to live rent free (this is a trend, even with Amber's friends he didn't know well). He said he packed up THAT DAY and moved into the penthouse. He said he would always be around Amber and Johnny and characterized Amber as wonderful and that he loved her to death and understood why Johnny loved her so much, and that she had freakishly nice teeth. This dude was the only person to get any sort of reaction out of Amber that wasn't dead faced, and Johnny was cracking up during it. But he said Amber was always extremely sweet to him. He said he heard them fight a few times and that Amber would constantly try to egg him on into fights. He even broke up one on the phone before by just taking Johnny's phone and telling her the conversation was over and hanging up. Isaac also saw broken wine bottles in the hallways before Amber and Johnny's last big fight but didn't think much of it.

What was significant was that Johnny was out seeing his dying mother while Isaac was still at the apartments and he ran into Amber that morning and Amber's sister and friend was there too. And Amber goes up to Isaac with light shining on top of her and said, "Isaac! Johnny hit me! Do you see!?" He looked on both of her cheeks and then said he didn't see anything but then kissed her cheek and told her she looked beautiful. They all then laughed and went on their way. Isaac went to leave and when he came back, Amber and the others were in the lobby and he says he saw Amber's sister fake punch her and they were laughing about it. But they all were in good spirits. He said she still didn't have a bruise or anything on her face.

Then, he saw everything come out that day where Amber got a restraining order and the picture with her having a bruise at the courthouse was there and he was in disbelief and shattered because he says he just saw her and he knows she had no bruise on her face. Then, a day later, she goes to Isaac's penthouse and asks if he wants to have dinner with her and he says he doesn't think they can talk and called her out for lying and not understanding why she did that and that they can't talk after she did that to Johnny. She said she was sorry to hear that and he never talked to her again.

On cross examination they had the really nutty lawyer come up and question him, which is a mistake because this guy was so likeable and believable and this lawyer is very much not that. She doesn't hold back on trying to catch him in stuff. She questions him on where a wine spill was for a while which was stupid. She tried to catch him in a lie and asks him if he's ever seen Amber do her own make-up. He says no, "But I guess she can't be good at it if she has someone do it for her a lot." I loved this man. She also brings up a text that was sent from Johnny that was out there, in I think 2018 or 2019, well after everything happened, where Johnny said he hoped to see Amber dead in the trunk of a Toyota Camry or something to that effect. We'll learn that Johnny's texts are typically absolutely bonkers, but he explains them in his testimony. She also asked if he remembers Johnny calling Amber a c***, and he said "Yeah, I guess he texted that but he calls me a c*** all the time."

Perhaps the biggest part was this woman badgering him and trying to get him to say "Oh You testified that you were angry at Miss Heard, didn't you?" "Oh, you mean about all the phony pictures that she took? Yeah. I was angry at that, putting it in the tabloids and everything?" And he talked about all of the deceit. And then she asks "But you're still angry, aren't you?" And Isaac just went off on this passionate speech about how it's been six years and he was upset, angry, and confused at her duping everyone, saying that isn't fair that she can just make up this lie about Johnny. And he said that she has ruined so many people's lives because of this, and that Johnny's friends aren't the same, Johnny's kids aren't the same, and he got really emotional and was crying and saying that he just wants this all to end. It's worthy finding a clip of.

Just truly, horrific questions from this attorney. After this, the attorney tried to get him to answer if Amber is telling the truth, then Johnny Depp should be punished. Objected because it's a baaaaad question. And eventually enough of her questions get objected to that this attorney gets frazzled and goes "But he got to stand up here and rant and rave!" And it's just a horrific look from her. Awful.

And then comes the worst part of this trial... the video depositions. Because not everyone could come to Virginia to testify, they had some people just do a video deposition. One such person was the owner of the hotel who was only here so they could show all of the video from the night Amber and Johnny fought and the morning Amber supposedly had a bruise on her face. So they just show a lot of security footage. The night Johnny left, the police came to check out the scene because Amber called 911. They were barely there according to the footage because... well, there was nothing to report. The police officers were laughing and joking after that, implying that the scene was hardly significant. The other big part of this was showing the many people who interacted with Amber that morning she claimed to have a bruise, because all of them will testify that she, in fact, did not have a bruise on her face.

This was long and boring and awful but it needed to be done. That's it for Day 2. Day 3... Idk I'll summarize it tomorrow.

i walked by my mom watching it a few times today and Depp was talking about poop

Amber pooped on his bed or something.

No, Im to big of a Deppfan to be unbiased in this case, so I dont follow it.

changmas posted...

all i really saw was that Eve "Eve Fartlow" Barlow is apparently Amber Heard's girlfriend now, and she got kicked out of the courtroom for attempting to live tweet the trial with this incredible quip from "The Court"

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I guess I can talk about this now. It was far more than "live tweeting".

Eve Bartlow and a few of her friends were sitting directly behind the defense counsel. They were constantly on their phones and Amber was literally passing notes back to her and Eve was talking to their lawyers regularly and the Judge did nothing about it.

On Day 3, one of Johnny's witnesses was talking and all of a sudden one of Amber's attorneys gets a text. He says he wants to present something to the court, and then Eve Barlow and all of her friends huddle up in the first row, giddy.

It turns out that Eve Barlow took an Instagram post from this witness that she made months ago, clipped the date out, and then the defense used it as evidence she was talking during the trial. Ultimately, the witness did admit to having seen a part of the trial through clips, so she was rightfully removed, but Eve was literally helping the defense counsel which is a huge violation. Like she was even winking at the other defense attorneys. It was that blatant.

After this happened, security went and told everyone in the front rows to go to the back. And then Eve was on her phone still, and then she was told to put it away. After a minute she gets right back on her phone. Then she gets pulled away by security and told not to get on her phone, because nobody is allowed to have any devices on except for the legal teams. Finally, she gets brought back in.

And yes, she was live tweeting during the whole trial, which meant she was constantly on her phone in court. So the Judge rightfully ejected her and the defense couldn't really argue.

Eve Barlow is a dumpster person, is all that needs to be known, and she will not be around the rest of the trial.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

i walked by my mom watching it a few times today and Depp was talking about poop

mnkboy907 posted...

Amber pooped on his bed or something.

After their second to last big fight, Johnny Depp went to see his mother who was within days of dying. Amber shit in their bed and sent him a picture of it. Johnny said he just laughed because he didn't know what else to do.

Amber claims that it was their teacup Yorkies who shit in the bed, when the poop was larger than the actual dogs, and she tried to gaslight Johnny into thinking he was crazy for suggesting it was her.

I have seen nothing that confirms Eve Barlow is her girlfriend and they are anything more than close friends.

I'm not following this at all but if that Eve Barlow stuff is true then that's REALLY FUCKING STUPID AND BAD.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

And yes, she was live tweeting during the whole trial, which meant she was constantly on her phone in court. So the Judge rightfully ejected her and the defense couldn't really argue.

Eve Barlow is a dumpster person, is all that needs to be known, and she will not be around the rest of the trial.

least shocking thing to hear if you're at all familiar with the numerous meltdowns she's had on twitter over the past year after she posts piece after piece of Zionist propaganda. birds of a feather flock together, i suppose

I have learned from this topic that simply seeing 'Johnny' in a sentence alone immediately makes me picture Tommy Wiseau from The Room instead of the actual person being discussed, and the subject matter unfortunately fits here.

CasanovaZelos posted...

I have learned from this topic that simply seeing 'Johnny' in a sentence alone immediately makes me picture Tommy Wiseau from The Room instead of the actual person being discussed, and the subject matter unfortunately fits here.

oh hi doggy

Short explanation of the cross-examination of Johnny Depp so far: extremely weak stuff that has nothing substantial to prove he's ever struck her, and is mostly impeachment by pulling up stuff he said in the UK trial as gotcha's, and I sincerely doubt anyone in that jury is buying it because it's so on it's face bad faith.

This is kind of a disaster for Heard's team.

I don't doubt he was abused also. But, I think it was likely a two way street also. Not based on evidence. Just hunch.

Corrik7 posted...

I don't doubt he was abused also. But, I think it was likely a two way street also. Not based on evidence. Just hunch.

Thanks for that detailed analysis corrik

Aecioo posted...

Thanks for that detailed analysis corrik

You are welcome!

Never seen a single Pirates movie ever in my life crew.

Corrik7 posted...

I don't doubt he was abused also. But, I think it was likely a two way street also. Not based on evidence. Just hunch.

Phew, that's a load off my mind. What would we have done without you?

MrSmartGuy posted...

Phew, that's a load off my mind. What would we have done without you?

Lol at everyone getting butthurt because someone thinks they were both likely abusive in the relationship.

"I haven't heard anything and I don't know anything but this is probably true based on what I think"

UltimaterializerX posted...

He still lost his entire career despite being the victim.

It really, really sucks that even if justice is served legally, Depp's career is almost certainly fucked beyond repair.

Whoof. Today was a wretched day with cross-examination. I can discuss that later.

DAY 3

This is worth mentioning because I didn't mention it: style choices for Depp and Heard! Johnny Depp these first few days had his hair down and looked more disheveled, but otherwise had on nice suits. Amber Heard on the other hand was dressed like she was a damn marine, in these dress suits with her hair back. This isn't to say she looked bad, but if you're at court presenting yourself as a victim of abuse, you should probably look less like a drill instructor. Very bizarre and Hollywood choices for them.

The first witness on this day was Katherine James, who was Amber Heard's personal assistant for years. This is another video deposition so let me explain in more detail how this works.

The last one was just a presentation of video, so nothing important was there in regards to testimony. This one, and a few more following, are all curated videos where both parties are there, and they edit out objections and figure out between themselves how to go about it. So it seems a little disjointed at times. These are pretty boring as a result.

So to put it simply, Katherine hates Amber Heard and was not shy about it, but not in any way that made her seem less credible. She testified that she was often verbally abused by Amber Heard, and was grossly underpaid for a personal assistant job in Hollywood. She had many examples of the abuse that Amber gave her. I felt bad for her because damn, it was brutal. She wanted only a part time gig and Amber more or less strong armed her into a full time position under the qualification she could pick up her child from school which was something unique she was afforded. However, when she asked Amber for a raise, Amber went full on meltdown on her and just dressed her down and spit in her face.

Katherine described Amber treating her sister like an abused puppy she would kick as well. She said Amber's mother told her that she was terrified of Amber (which I have no idea how they let that through). She also established Amber was as much of, if not more, of an abuser of alcohol and drugs as Johnny. She said Johnny was a complete sweetheart though with multiple examples.

She was asked if she ever saw marks or bruises on Amber and she said no, never. She never heard anything, saw anything related to fights or domestic violence, and that she was around Amber constantly.

She also was not thrilled with Amber's lawyer and was rather snippy with him, especially since he tried to keep impugning her character by accusing her of being in horrible debt among other things. Katherine just seemed like she didn't want to be there at all.

Katherine was another witness the day that Johnny had supposedly hit her the last time they met, she went there that night because Amber texted her in a panic and she said that the place looked fine and that Amber didn't have a mark on her the day before she got the restraining order.

The next witness was Amber and Johnny's psychiatrist on video. Imagine what a Hollywood psychiatrist who is treating a bunch of out of touch celebrities is like and you'll have her pegged. She was a sloppy mess of a psychiatrist and she had sessions with Amber & Johnny together, and separately. To put it in perspective, she would scribble down notes so bad she couldn't read them, would mix up Johnny and Amber constantly in them, and would never question or dig deeper into anything they would say. You could tell she's just horrible.

The main things from this was that Amber in all the pair sessions would constantly talk over Johnny and insult him when he tried to speak, so he just was mostly reserved in the sessions as a result, but remarked that Johnny talked a lot whenever he was in his solo sessions. She mentioned that the only time Amber talked about supposedly being abused, and came in with marks on her, were in sessions where Johnny wasn't there. This woman literally never talked to Johnny about the supposed physical abuse. Absolute madness.

They concluded mentioning Johnny brought up that "Amber gave it back harder than she would get it" and the psychiatrist never followed up on what that meant be it physical or verbal. Later testimony would have Johnny saying disparaging things about this psychiatrist. Basically, they just got in a bunch of testimony about how Amber was often overbearing to Johnny and threw stuff at Johnny. Her notes were mostly awful.

The next witness was a live one, Sheila Deuters who was a friend of Johnny Depp's. She was a nice woman for the most part and politely discussed partying with Johnny and doing drugs and drinking with him. She said Johnny never got loud or violent on substances though. She was a little ditzy. Just a bit.

She also testified about Arnica Cream, which Amber Heard's team claims is a magical substance that heals any bruises or marks instantly. She said it was absolutely not that, and it's just a clear cream. She also testified Amber Heard being far more wild doing drugs and drinking alcohol than Johnny.

It was around that time that the stuff I described in post #10 happened. Basically, they presented an Instagram post from her from January as from during the trial and then Sheila admitted to seeing clips from the trial and was rightfully thrown out as a witness and the jury asked to ignore all of her testimony.

Dr. Kippur was next up in a video testimony, and he was the doctor for Johnny and Amber. You could put this man through torture and he would refuse to admit anything about his clients. Imagine a doctor specifically prescribing drugs to people while living on an island in the Bahamas with his clients. Guess how above the board he is. That is Dr. Kippur!

He claimed Amber never once said that she was hurt from the various supposed brutal beatings Johnny had given her. Not once did she ever report injuries. He never saw any bruises or marks on her either. He never saw any violence and said he'd be obligated to report them if he did. He said he had no reason to believe Johnny ever lost control either due to his drug and alcohol issues.

Johnny texts his doctor like a total weirdo texting his close friend. His texts are wild, but will make sense later. He gave Johnny so many god damn drugs which is partially why he became addicted to them. It was crazy how easily this guy gave him drugs.

He testified Johnny told him that he accidentally cut off the tip of his finger and didn't question any of it but gave him care. Johnny texted him "I cut off my finger on my right hand to remind me not to cut off the finger on my left one!" Dude's texts are wild.

This testimony ended up continuing into next week... but not that Friday! Fridays are reserved for motions the legal teams want to present. The major one on that Friday was the stuff about Eve Barlow I detailed in post #10.

Regarding Corrik claiming there was mutual abuse... everything was mostly detailed in the UK trial and there was zero tangible proof Amber's team brought that showed he was even a little bit abusive, with overwhelming evidence of her abuse. It's really, really crazy honestly. There's just evidence of him just taking shit from her constantly and giving in and yelling back sometimes but there was just nothing there.

It's really freaking wild how one-sided the evidence is, honestly. They've had him on cross examination for the past day and a half and the most damning thing they had to present him as an abuser is of her illegally recording him one morning while he was slamming stuff and yelling at her as she egged him on as she was moving things around to keep recording him and then laughing at the end of it, presented like she was terrified or in danger. They literally haven't presented anything more than that.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Regarding Corrik claiming there was mutual abuse... everything was mostly detailed in the UK trial and there was zero tangible proof Amber's team brought that showed he was even a little bit abusive, with overwhelming evidence of her abuse. It's really, really crazy honestly. There's just evidence of him just taking shit from her constantly and giving in and yelling back sometimes but there was just nothing there.

If this was true, how did Depp lose?

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

If this was true, how did Depp lose?

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

He lost that case because of a bizarre law that The Sun could say what they wanted because "that was all the information they had at the time" but a lot of information came out about their relationship that didn't really go mainstream.

He can still lose the current case as well. Defamation suits are hard to win.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

If this was true, how did Depp lose?

I pretty clearly explained this in the first post.

He sued The Sun in the UK who claimed he was a wife beater, and they have a weird law in which they ruled that since The Sun was working with the known information at the time, and thus awarded the case to The Sun. It didn't matter the merit of truth that came out after it, they judged it based on the truth of what was known prior to the article being written.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

He can still lose the current case as well. Defamation suits are hard to win.

I mentioned that in the first post, yeah. On a technicality reading of the law, I could go either way on it.

The thing is, this is a jury trial and juries are lizard brained people who don't always go by the laws. If they think Johnny is telling the truth and Amber Heard is a psychotic liar, they may award it to Johnny based on that, or they could go strictly by the law and think about favoring Amber Heard's side.

It's a total crapshoot honestly. I think what's most important is that he's getting it all out in the open now to try clearing his name, regardless of a win or loss.

Like you are mentioning how people are dressed at the trial which gives me the impression that it matters when it really shouldn't.

The fact theres audio of her admitting to physically hitting him and acting like it was nothing just tells me shes guilty of being abusive and her career should be destroyed since his was for far less evidence

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Like you are mentioning how people are dressed at the trial which gives me the impression that it matters when it really shouldn't.

I mean, it usually matters. It's not a deal breaker, but it's a little thing. That's why if you get a decent lawyer, they tell you to dress up, even if it's something small. A presentation helps. And... hell, maybe I'll just go ahead and talk about it more.

Johnny Depp, for instance, ended up tying his hair back this whole week, which should be evidence enough they're considering this sort of thing.

Amber Heard this week has been dressing in a lot less militant way. Her hair has been down now. On the days of testimony with other people, she had her hair covering the one side of her face facing the jury because she's been seen smirking and stuff when she shouldn't be. On the days of Johnny's testimony, she's been wearing minimal make-up and looking directly at him the whole time, when she hadn't really with other testimonies, so she could make boo boo faces and look more like she was less... I guess, put together and more homely?

And even then, when he talked about awful things she did, she would look away from him and cover her mouth a little bit, clearly with a smug look on her face, then look back. There's a few clips online of her turning it off and on and it's pretty jarring.

There's also a rumor that she's trying to match Johnny's outfits from the previous day to get into his head and be petty, and I thought it was mostly absurd. He started wearing some rather bomb ass reading glasses yesterday though, and she showed up today with reading glasses that look really strangely similar. So I dunno how much there is to that.

Point is, you want the jury to draw subliminal conclusions based on how you look and act. In any trial, really. Because like I said, juries are lizard-brained people who have gone on record going from evaluating the evidence closely to saying "I didn't like his aura." Any little bit helps, even if it seems insignificant like this.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

On the days of testimony with other people, she had her hair covering the one side of her face facing the jury because she's been seen smirking and stuff when she shouldn't be.

The trial meta is just wild.

Oh hey, scoops from an independent journalist who has been covering it!

• The people in the court are majority Johnny Depp supporters, she says, after talking with most of them. She said she only talked to one Amber supporter.
• The jury has 1 person who is writing notes like a mad person. One juror always looks shocked. And another seems bored. But the rest seem extremely engaged. One seems to not love the pretty raunchy texts from Johnny.
• Johnny Depp is making everyone in the court room laugh and a lot of people seem to be connecting with him (which makes sense if it's majority Depp supporters). Specifically, they seem to be laughing when he's giving barbs back at Amber Heard's lawyer, Rottenborn.
• Amber Heard was overheard telling her lawyer that she doesn't like that people are laughing at things Johnny said.
• The jury was likely told not to laugh or anything, because they have been holding back laughter a lot.
• The jury is about even in terms of gender. There's a lot of younger people on it, and some middle aged people. Nobody too old, it seems like.
• The jury and anyone else in attendance HATE the video testimonies, which makes sense.
• They jury was completely engaged with the Johnny testimony, but have not been nearly as engaged during the cross-examination.

i need more coverage about how amber heard is wearing her hair

the rest is hearsay

i was on a jury once, and they didn't let me take notes at all!

Really? That's very strange! What court was it at?

I have no idea why they moved forward with shooting Aquaman 2 with Heard still in it.

TheRock1525 posted...

I have no idea why they moved forward with shooting Aquaman 2 with Heard still in it.

A little bit about Amber Heard and Jason Momoa.

She claimed that she would be reading on set and every day Jason Momoa would come up and tear out a page of her book for attention. I frankly don't know how true that is anymore.

But worth noting that literally today, Jason Momoa followed Johnny Depp on Instagram. So I would assume Jason Momoa is also not a fan of Amber Heard.

DAY 4

We continue with Dr. Kippur, who would die before saying a single thing about his client. In case it wasn't clear, they basically got their entire testimony through his doctor's notes and his oddly personal texts with Johnny. And I guess I should explain why he's shutting his fucking mouth.

1) He wants to be hired by some celebrity with entirely too much money again and if he can keep secrets then he'll be a great boon.
2) He doesn't want to say the wrong thing and get looked into for medical malpractice.

This was still very, very boring. But he reiterated that it would be extremely difficult for his nurses to not report any injuries to Amber Heard, and they would be obligated to tell him about it. Honestly, there wasn't much in the remainder of this testimony. Just presenting the medical facts of everything.

Next up is another video testimony with Nurse Debbie, who was assigned to Johnny Depp. Like Dr. Kippur before her, and for the reasons stated, if you put a gun to this woman's head she wouldn't give you an answer that wasn't "I don't recall." Which is fine, because they just wanted her records in.

Johnny Depp was so outrageously nice to this girl in all of their text messages and he would joke around with her a lot. She said she was going to cry at one point reviewing the texts because of how sweet they were. My favorite was when he was asking for "knock out yum-yums" and saying "I love that weird fucker!!!" about Dr. Kippur. Most notably, she was monitoring his attempt to detox off of pain drugs. And he texted her absolutely begging her for something else to numb the feeling because he could not stand Amber anymore while he was trying to detox.

She also verifies, yet again, Amber never had any marks on her during this time when she claimed that she was held hostage and savagely beaten for 3 days. She also put in her notes that Amber seemed to be giving Johnny a hard time, or something to that effect, and making it more difficult for him when he was trying to detox because Amber was giving him no support.

A running theme is that Amber blamed Johnny's pill addictions on their problems, and he largely wanted to kick it as a result. And she made it clear in her notes and texts that Johnny was saying as much, but that he was afraid of having to deal with her without the drugs. It feels like she was his rock through this time, and they talked through things a lot. The nurse constantly mentions in her notes about Amber arguing or putting down Johnny's ability to detox and her having to reassure him. It's overwhelming how many notes there are about Amber making it hard for Johnny to detox. It really feels like as time went on she got more and more fed up with Amber's shit, as she outright mentions in her notes that Johnny felt like he was in a "no-win situation" with her and that he felt like "he can't do anything right with her".

She also brought up a plane ride that gets mentioned a lot, in which Johnny supposedly kicked Amber on it. A running trend of witnesses starting with her say that Johnny was trying not to engage with Amber and Amber was constantly egging him on, but she just remembers them arguing but no violence.

Another notable thing was that Amber grew resentful of Nurse Debbie being around, according to other people, and that Amber was always only nice to her face.

Oh, and for @Aecioo and @Team_Rocket_Elite , a picture of Amber Heard's hairstyle where I said she was blocking her view from the jury.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/5/5/AATFBfAADKIz.jpg

Mercifully, we get an in-person testimony again with Johnny Depp's personal security, Joshua Bett. He was formerly a cop, which shows because the man was an excellent witness and was pretty perfect. Most notably because when there was an objection, he would make sure the important bit got out anyway and play dumb when the Judge told him he has to stop after an objection. This was where the objections became really ridiculous though, and the Judge kept granting them anyway because Depp's lawyers suck at explaining why the objections weren't valid.

He testified that Johnny and Amber argued. A lot. He also confirmed that Amber would throw things at Johnny. He did say he never saw them hit each other though. He also affirmed he never saw a bruise, mark, or anything on Amber.

Important was that it was Bett that told Johnny that they need to take pictures of his injuries that Amber Heard would inflict on him "just incase". This was how they got a lot of pictures in of Johnny having bruises and cuts on him.

He also testified to the last night Johnny and Amber were together, which was the day before she filed for a restraining order. Johnny told Bett to stay by the door and to come in if they heard anything. This was all important because he testified no damage to the apartment (when Amber claims there was a lot of it) and that when they entered Amber shrieked "You won't ever do this to me again Johnny!" or something along those lines while Johnny was like 20 feet away from her. He also testified he saw no marks or bruises on Amber in that time.

And that's it for that day. Cross-examination of Bett will kick off the next day.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Depp's lawyers suck at explaining why the objections weren't valid

Is there a reason for this? I would have thought he had the money for the best of the best when it came to lawyers.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Is there a reason for this? I would have thought he had the money for the best of the best when it came to lawyers.

So money does not equal quality with a lawyer.

It's a lot to do with marketing. If you can market yourself well and have a few good cases, then you can present yourself as a quality attorney, even if you aren't. One example of this is the title Super Lawyer, which sounds very fancy and good, but in all honesty if you litigate one big class action case to reach the dollar threshold, you can advertise yourself as a bar-recognized Super Lawyer. This doesn't mean you're good at all--it could mean you just had an easy case and litigated it well. But that's just one part.

Another part is that civil lawyers honestly don't go to many trials if they can help it. The number one goal is to get a case settled before it ever goes to trial because trials suuuuuuuuck. You could have minimal trial experience and have been an attorney for decades. It's just how it goes sometimes. And having that experience is hard. Well over 95% of cases are dismissed or settled before trial.

Concerning why they suck at addressing objections, I don't know why, really. They just kind of stammer through their explanation because the objections are kind of nonsense. For example, they say lack of foundation for foundational questions and it's like... that's the foundation, to set the stage for another question. The Judge is just granting them because the attorney can't explain why. Or there's some hearsay and they can't answer fast enough why it's not hearsay--that they directly heard it or anything like that. And they just didn't improve.

To their credit though, during the cross-examination, they have figured out that if they do a sidebar and have both parties go up to the Judge and explain it, they have far more success with more than a split second to explain, so Depp's lawyers ARE learning.

And Amber Heard's one lawyer, Rottenborn, isn't bad, as much as I may be dunking on him. He's been given an impossibly hard case to defend Heard and attack Depp, and he's likely being given orders from Amber Heard who, as we've discovered, is a deeply unwell person with a hair trigger. This isn't her first set of attorneys either. She ran off another group of attorneys before this.

I wonder why any attorney would be willing to defend her at this point.

Though I can guess probably money

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Really? That's very strange! What court was it at?

This was in Brooklyn! Don't remember the specific court, but it was a criminal trial

I was a bit young at the time, so didn't have the forcefulness to get them to cave, which in retrospect they would have

They were being really weird about other stuff, too. They didnt want to give us a printed or written definition of the law under question (metrics for self defense, duty to retreat, etc) to bring into the jury room, so we had to go out and get it repeated. such a waste of time

I could rant. I lost some respect for our justice system through the overall process of experiencing that trial!

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Amber Heard this week has been dressing in a lot less militant way. Her hair has been down now. On the days of testimony with other people, she had her hair covering the one side of her face facing the jury because she's been seen smirking and stuff when she shouldn't be.

And even then, when he talked about awful things she did, she would look away from him and cover her mouth a little bit, clearly with a smug look on her face, then look back. There's a few clips online of her turning it off and on and it's pretty jarring.

Imagine being so messed up you can't stop smirking during testimony of the stuff you did

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Point is, you want the jury to draw subliminal conclusions based on how you look and act. In any trial, really. Because like I said, juries are lizard-brained people who have gone on record going from evaluating the evidence closely to saying "I didn't like his aura." Any little bit helps, even if it seems insignificant like this.

good explanation for why the jury system is batshit crazy.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

good explanation for why the jury system is batshit crazy.

honestly, if you end up on a jury you're probably an idiot

or you're someone like biscuit who is fascinated by this stuff

but probably 99% are idiots who aren't smart enough to get out of jury duty