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Aecioo
04/27/22 10:56:30 AM
#203:


hair watch day 10

clearly less effort put into it compared to yesterday which was just pure drip, but the pulled back style seems to be the move now

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/27/22 12:20:36 PM
#204:


Lol Amber Heard calling the cops 3 times in 2 days claiming she was beaten by a phone and fists from Johnny Depp, the cops saw absolutely nothing, were told they were fine all time and nothing was wrong, and Amber and her friends refused to cooperate at all with them or give them any details and only told them that Johnny Depp wasn't there at all.

Very good frame job.

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/27/22 12:41:42 PM
#205:


Alejandro is my favorite witness. He said no less than 5 times now how he doesn't want to be doing any of this court stuff anymore.

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BlueCrystalTear
04/27/22 2:13:34 PM
#206:


Phew, finally caught up. Thanks for all the effort you're putting into this, Biscuit - I'm enjoying it a lot!

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/27/22 4:23:57 PM
#207:


Welp. Johnny and Amber's agent confirmed that Johnny lost his role in Pirates 6 because of Amber's op-ed article, specifically per talks with Disney. So it should be entirely about whether or not Amber lied about being abused now.

And also that she was the one who wanted to meet Johnny after she filed for her TRO under the pretenses of figuring things out, and their agent was the one who had to convince Johnny to break it.

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/27/22 11:53:00 PM
#208:


DAY 10

I lost a lot. Again. Let me summarize quickly.

Basically, this day was all video depositions. These occurred because people aren't flying from LA to testify in Virginia. Elaine conducted all of these and was just absolutely awful.

The first was the other officer who went to check on Amber when 911 was called for domestic abuse right before she claimed to have a bruise and filed her restraining order. Keep in mind that her story is that wine and shattered glass was everywhere. He reiterates that they did a sweep and found nothing, nobody would talk to them and were being uncooperative, and they left. Elaine asked so many questions and this took forever again probably because Depp's team wanted every instance of him saying there was no damage and no marks on her at all. Eventually the officer got so fed up with Elaine he just said "We don't arrest people for arguing. I argue with my wife all the time."

Now not only did Amber have her friend call 911 once that night, she called twice! The second time with body cam footage with, you guessed it, no damage to the house and her friends being weird and trying not to let him in. He said they were highly uncooperative and saw that they already filed another bogus claim so they didn't spend a lot of time there because nothing changed, and they all confirmed that Johnny Depp was DEFINITELY not there.

Next up is my favorite precious boy, Alejandro Romero, who worked at the place. He did this deposition in his car and dead ass started out by saying "Yeah, so I know you sent me all these materials to review but I didn't look at them, I'm sorry. I just don't want to be doing any more of this court stuff anymore." Depp died laughing at this, and so did the rest of the courtroom. He worked the day that Amber filed the restraining order. This was so damning to Heard's team they didn't even include the questions that Depp's team asked.

He said he ran into them because Amber was claiming someone was trying to break into her room, and he said it was completely absurd because there were tiny little claw marks 4 inches off the ground and it was obviously their dog that was trying to get in.

He said he saw Amber and saw no marks on her. Elaine was drilling him with questions about make-up, hair, lighting, jewelry, and he just kept saying "Listen, I look everyone into their eyes when I speak to them, and I would have noticed if she had bruises or swelling. I don't want to be doing this. It's January 2022 now and I have so many things to do. We all have our own problems." Love him. Depp's team just asked simply questions.

And Elaine comes back and keeps hitting him with more questions about make-up and my guy just dead ass starts driving away while she's talking. She quickly goes "Do you swear that this testimony was the truth and your best recollection of events!?" He said that's correct and he was on the road and it cuts off. The man was so done with Elaine's bullshit questions he just fucking left.

It's at this point I thought about why Heard's team called these officers and Alejandro. Because they were so damaging to his case. The best I can figure is that Amber swore up and down to her attorneys she was telling the truth. Because you don't ask for a deposition from someone you know is going to contradict everything your client says. Nothing else makes sense. And then her attorneys went "Fuck. She was lying." And their lives get so much harder. Spoilers: Don't lie to your attorneys folks.

Next up was Christian, who was Amber and Johnny's agent and friend. He is neither of those things now, entirely because of Amber and Johnny's blow up. Elaine asked more awful questions and the only important thing is Christian confirmed that around the industry everyone knew Johnny was losing work because of Amber's accusations. Elaine tried to ask if it was because he was difficult on the set and he said, "The only issue I know about is him being tardy, but he was always tardy, about everything in life. So they dealt with it." lol

To Elaine's credit, she did a pretty decent job making the point more about how Johnny lost work from the initial accusation, and not from the op-ed. Also, he was cagey with his responses because he's an agent and wants to be seen as not giving up anything about his clients. Also this ended their friendship she he also didn't like it there (and because he used to get 10% from both of them and now gets 0% from both).

Anyway, the more important stuff comes from Depp's questions, where Christian was in talks with Disney about another Pirates movie for Johnny and then the op-ed came out and two days later they were sent a press release from Disney about being removed from Pirates 6. WELP.

Another important bit for those who don't like Elon Musk is that Amber Heard dated Elon Musk for a bit immediately after her divorce with Johnny. Also, Alejandro had mentioned he saw Elon with Amber at the penthouses before the divorce too. So Elon was the rebound. But Amber was texting Christian and said that her and Elon are broken up and she never loved him and he was just a stop gap because she wanted to be back with Johnny.

This is where that final meeting between Amber and Johnny came up, in which Amber told Christian to set up a meeting with Johnny so that they could make up and try to get back together. Johnny didn't want to at first, but Christian said he convinced Johnny to go. As we know, it went horribly. Additionally, Amber was texting Johnny Depp in 2017 and 2018 as well, even though he had her number blocked. And she was begging Christian to give Johnny messages constantly about trying to reconcile. Sure sounds like someone terrified for her life and wanting to escape.

Next up was Allison Wasser, who was Johnny Depp's divorce attorney... who was hired in December 2015, before Amber filed for divorce on her end. She's done a lot of high profile celebrity divorces too. The important part of this was that she informed Elaine (who she clearly hated too), that when Johnny Depp threatened divorce, Amber Heard got a lawyer who threatened to go scorched earth with a bunch of absurd demands (cars, properties, etc.) in a letter they showed that if Johnny didn't comply, she would go with a public restraining order and tell the world how abusive he was towards her. And the next morning, Amber Heard went ahead and got her restraining order publicly without giving them any time to even respond to the letter. Absolute madness. This picks back up tomorrow with Depp's team questioning her.

Basically, Amber heard clearly made up a hoax about the whole damn situation by this point, and the number of people who would have to be lying who had no stake in this is insane, for Amber to be telling the truth about being beaten when she got her restraining order.

And in case anyone thinks I might be exaggerating Amber's wild lies and stories, here is a part of her deposition about that night and the police visit from the UK trial, to compare them against what the police officers said.

https://twitter.com/MarieWatsen/status/1519333965559222272?s=20&t=vy3TVJ0M9xhX-BfluxyBeA

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UshiromiyaEva
04/27/22 11:56:22 PM
#209:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I lost a lot. Again. Let me summarize quickly.

If I'm making a big post I do it in Microsoft Word, no exception.

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Mr Lasastryke
04/28/22 2:04:17 AM
#210:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Yeah I have been avoiding saying it because I dont want Biscuit to think I am attacking him or dislike him as a person, but just like before I dont find the recaps as useful as some because every sentence has an embellishment or flare that shows you who hes rooting for.

agree with this, though i think it was more noticeable in the rittenhouse topic. i still appreciate these recaps but yeah.


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Aecioo
04/28/22 2:17:00 AM
#211:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
https://twitter.com/MarieWatsen/status/1519333965559222272?s=20&t=vy3TVJ0M9xhX-BfluxyBeA

heard hair report

looks like she got out of the pool

not sure what it means but it means something

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Lightning Strikes
04/28/22 5:51:07 AM
#212:


I feel a question that needs to be answered here is what side was Biscuit on in the Rittenhouse topic as I didnt read it. The issue with that trial was that the law was bad is my understanding.

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Mr Lasastryke
04/28/22 6:13:37 AM
#213:


Lightning Strikes posted...
I feel a question that needs to be answered here is what side was Biscuit on in the Rittenhouse topic as I didnt read it. The issue with that trial was that the law was bad is my understanding.

he was on rittenhouse's side, which is fine. but the issue with that topic was that biscuit continuously portrayed rittenhouse as a "good kid who just wants to be left alone," which is obviously false (though it wasn't as obvious when the trial was going on, granted).

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Lightning Strikes
04/28/22 6:41:32 AM
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I mean, in 95% of countries on Earth, not only would that not be considered as justified self-defence due to the force used, the situation would never reach that point to begin with. A society where people can go around shooting people to death and suffer no consequences even if it were in defence is obviously a very sick one. Not just sick because it was considered defence, but sick because that level of violence could ever be necessary for defence. However this topic isnt about that, I just wanted to know Biscuits perspective. And while his thoughts on the verdict arent really important, I think his thoughts on Rittenhouses character are as the kid is obviously a grifter using his case for fame and influence. As such, I wouldnt necessarily trust Biscuit to be reliable on a case like this.

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KingButz
04/28/22 10:20:45 AM
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What? Bows were around for thousands of years before Genghis Khan was born.

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Aecioo
04/28/22 10:23:43 AM
#218:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Of course firearms can be necessary for defense. What a ridiculous argument. The entire reason Genghis Khan was able to kill so many people is because he is credited with inventing bows, and the people he was out there massacring had no clue what was going on.

wait. what.

anyway, amber heard hair report

kind of disheveled today.


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neonreaper
04/28/22 10:27:52 AM
#219:


Bed head or sex hair?

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Aecioo
04/28/22 10:30:08 AM
#220:


neonreaper posted...
Bed head or sex hair?

unfortunately bed head

although I haven't had sex with amber heard so it could very well be her sex hair

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Aecioo
04/28/22 10:36:52 AM
#221:


also I'll leave it up to you guys but if you want more of my detailed analysis, I'd be willing to give daily updates on depps suits

he's had some bangers

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/28/22 10:57:23 AM
#223:


I am going to make one post and one post only about the Rittenhouse trial since I honestly don't care about it anymore and there are people with very wrong ideas about my opinions on it.

First off, I always maintained that by the evidence, there is no reason to think Kyle was there to instigate anything, or antagonized anyone, or even had any intention to shoot anyone that night. You are welcome to disagree, but I think that's abundantly clear if you watched the entire thing and saw all the evidence. Yes, I did think during the trial he did come across as more understandable, even though he's acting like a shit stain now (I don't know I haven't followed him or anything but that's what everyone is saying). But no, I don't think people should be carrying around big guns like that for any reason, let alone in a situation where they would have to use them on another human.

Secondly, it was less about Kyle and more about prosecutors. Prosecutors are scum. Prosecutors are not your friends. And these prosecutors exposed an entire disgusting system to the world. They lied about facts, they doctored evidence, they put people on the stand they knew were giving phony testimony, they withheld evidence from the Defense, and they tried to coerce witnesses before the trial to change their testimony. All of these things happened, and happen frequently in our criminal court system and that's what's most disgusting about it all. You'll notice the worst I say about Elaine or any of Amber's lawyers is that they're obnoxious or bad or I'll laugh at them a bit. Because this is their job, they have bad facts, but ultimately it's a civil case between two rich people. Prosecutors will lie for life ruination and do not deserve respect.

Third, I was not wrong about facts on that case, and repeatedly corrected dopes who tried to tell me otherwise, because they read some shitty article about it that wasn't telling the truth. The entire reason I detailed that case was BECAUSE the truth of what was happening was being shielded and falsely reported by almost every media outlet. I watched the whole damn thing and looked online to see articles fabricating the opposite.

So when people are talking about "I mean these write ups are fine, but golly gosh he's so biased," go out of your way to read any other article and see how biased those ones are. You're going to find very few articles out there that will be entirely unbiased. There are people saying Johnny has shitty evidence in this case and telling outright lies everything, even today, in articles. And that's simply not true. You'll also note I give Amber's team credit when it's due in these as well. I just have the benefit of knowing ahead of time how bad her case and evidence is, which is why I'm pretty down on anything she attempts overall.

Aecioo, I would love for you to talk about Depp's suits because he is quite a fashionable gentleman.

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DreamEater12
04/28/22 11:00:52 AM
#224:


Aecioo posted...
also I'll leave it up to you guys but if you want more of my detailed analysis, I'd be willing to give daily updates on depps suits

he's had some bangers

Does feel slightly one sided, can we get some suit breakdowns and you could even discuss other speakers dress sense too.

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Aecioo
04/28/22 11:01:37 AM
#225:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Aecioo, I would love for you to talk about Depp's suits because he is quite a fashionable gentleman.

today, not really feeling the collar game, but that's about the only thing I don't like. He's got the professor look going with the jacket, but the auburn tie and pocket square with the black vest is just fire

also love how the jacket covers almost the entire pocket square so you're just seeing the hint of it

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/28/22 11:04:03 AM
#226:


I agree, as far as his amazing suits go, this is probably on the lower end. Please discuss yesterday's suit, which I thought was one of his best.

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Aecioo
04/28/22 11:09:02 AM
#227:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I agree, as far as his amazing suits go, this is probably on the lower end. Please discuss yesterday's suit, which I thought was one of his best.

I live in the present, not the past

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/28/22 1:12:46 PM
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Deposition from the ACLU head of legal has sealed Johnny's case that the article was about him, despite their arguments otherwise.

The ACLU wrote most of the article and asked Amber to include her experiences, and then the only things to reference her marriage to Johnny Depp, she outright wrote his name in there, and they went through the ACLU lawyers to taper it down to "avoid a lawsuit", and now the ACLU lead said that every outlet knew and the public knew that it was about Johnny Depp. Now, it's entirely about if he can prove there is reasonable doubt that he ever hit Amber.

Also, Amber Heard who claimed to donate all of her divorce money to charity has been confirmed to have actually donated $0 of her own money to it. Elon Musk donated most of it on her behalf. Lol

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Aecioo
04/28/22 1:25:55 PM
#230:


UltimaterializerX posted...
I should have said the short bow, or the Mongol Bow as they called it

>_>


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PrivateBiscuit1
04/28/22 4:49:22 PM
#231:


The absolute state of Heard's attorneys right now.

https://twitter.com/NotRealKev/status/1519780222085873666?t=LUGNA1Oe6STt8UR4x88RqA&s=19

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/29/22 12:29:44 AM
#232:


DAY 11

This day was better than the last. We had actual live humans for the most part, and some actual significant witnesses!

The first was a video deposition though with the ACLU head of legal whose name I forgot. Depp's team spoke first and they spent arguably too much time discussing how much money Amber donated to the ACLU. If you remember correctly, Amber Heard bragged about how she wanted nothing from Johnny Depp's divorce and that she was a brave, selfless woman who wanted none of his money. As such, of the $7 million divorce settlement, she said she would give $3.5 million to ACLU and $3.5 million to Children's Hospital. Keep in mind, in their legally binding divorce settlement she stated that was exactly what she was spending it on. With Johnny Depp's amount he donated after she bragged about it (breaking the confidentiality of the divorce settlement btw), and then Elon Musk donated half a million, and then an "anonymous donor" donated for Amber Heard (also likely Elon), so $0 of Amber's own money was given to ACLU. I anticipate they spent so long on this because Amber Heard is pretty much a piece of shit that used both of these charities as a shield against anyone who doubted her domestic abuse claims and didn't give anywhere near the amount she swore she did. She also refused to sign a pledge agreement too, swearing she would pay the amount and they basically outright said they were simply "hopeful" that they would get the money.

Amber Heard is also an ACLU Ambassador, who they make special people like Amber who have a significant following and a prior expertise in that area (such as being a victim of domestic abuse). I should note this guy was VERY careful when speaking because he knows how absolutely awful this makes the ACLU look. And imo, the ACLU is not nearly as good as they have been once upon a time.

But after shorting ACLU on their promised donation, and after Johnny Depp had said in an interview he never abused Amber or anyone else, Amber Heard used the ACLU to draft her op-ed. They wrote all the generic stuff about domestic abuse and told Amber to write her personal experience. There's images floating around with drafts of the documents, but the only part that Amber Heard wrote were the parts where she was saying Johnny Depp's name, and the ACLU legal head stated that there was a lot of discussion about avoiding the NDA. And then, ultimately, he admitted that it was clear to every publication that she was discussing Johnny Depp because every major outlet was reporting it as her discussing her domestic abuse at the hands of Amber Heard, and the timeline. Oh, and Amber demanded that they wait until Aquaman was out before publishing it, and not sooner, so it reached as many people as possible.

So what this means is that it's proven, without a shadow of a doubt, that the op-ed clearly references Johnny Depp, which Amber and her team denied, and that means that there is no question she did this purposefully to damage Johnny Depp. So the only question is: did she lie about being a victim? This is a significant hurdle that they leaped. Also, this makes ACLU and their team of lawyers as well as Amber's team of lawyers look so stupid for thinking this passed a breach of confidentiality test in the first place, like come on.

Oh, and despite Amber being so proud to announce that she's donating to the ACLU, she told them not to put out a press release about it. And then she never donated another dime. And the ACLU claimed that she had pledged the $3.5 million to a Reuters article that was used in the UK court, despite Amber not pledging and the email chains of their HR department staying up at late trying to get around this and not lie. And boy was this dude sweating and trying his best to throw his entire organization and the Amber Heard, their ambassador, under the bus.

Elaine also asked her questions and attempted to do damage control but simply didn't plug those holes well at all. Like she asked if there was an understanding that she was going to keep paying the ACLU and he just maintained they were just "hopeful" she would.

Also please note that the ACLU spent $86k in attorney's fees to fight having to be involved in this case whatsoever. They did NOT want to be a part of this.

Next up is an actual in-person witness, Edward White, who is an obscenely rich accountant guy who Johnny brought on to help with his finances after he got royally screwed over. His testimony was significant for the divorce proceedings. He confirmed that on the day of Amber Heard's birthday where Johnny was supposedly horrifically drunk when arriving, Johnny had barely anything to drink.

White said that at first during the divorce proceedings, Amber demanded $4 million, to $5 million, to $5.5 million, to $7 million, and then $7 million and she demanded that Depp $500k to her attorneys, then demanded all of the community liabilities for their relationship which amounted to $13.5 million, and eventually she demanded $14,250,000. And then, she demanded all of it be paid free of taxation. And that it would require him to make $30 million annually. And they objected to stop the rest of this because this is absolutely devastating. lol In the end, Johnny paid $7 million to Amber, $500k for her attorney's fees, and then the $13.5 (for both their halves) million in community liabilities for a whopping $14,250,000, for a marriage that lasted 15 months, all while burdening the tax liability.

At first, they negotiated it all going directly to the charities, but then Amber demanded it be made directly to her instead. And then he said he was chastised for making payments to the charities after Amber bragged about having donated to them per Johnny's request. There were so many objections here which were complete bullshit that this Judge sustained.

Want to know how much wine Amber drank? $160,000 per year. Judged by the fact that without Amber around now, Johnny spends "virtually nothing" on wine. Kinda surprised they let this one in. lol Maybe making up for bad objections she sustained.

Then Rottenborn came in and just badgered the fuck out of this old man. He came across as so fucking unlikable here. It's so weird to me that they just go up there and piss off every single witness, even when they're completely neutral.

He brings up the birthday again where they dealt with Johnny getting a plan to get his financial issues in check and he was like "You gave Johnny Depp catastrophic news, right?" He was like no, we had a plan to fix his catastrophic news. And it was used as a gotcha where he used the word "catastrophic news" to describe the initial time he told Johnny and it was so dumb. It's just all nitpicks from Rottenborn and nobody is going to go "Oh man he said at one point that he told Johnny catastrophic news. I don't know if I believe that Amber, noted horrifically awful human being, actually demanded untaxable $14,250,000 in their divorce. It's so pedantic.

I'm going to rant for a moment too. Rottenborn just keeps asking "Did I read that right?" This isn't a proper question to ask. You're supposed to ask them a question about whatever you present them. The fact that Rottenborn can read something correctly is wholly irrelevant and honestly Depp's team should just go "Objection, Mr. Rottenborn's ability to read is irrelevant to the case" each time and just piss him off and force him to ask real questions. The man dead ass read a text message and said nothing else, and then White went "Do you want me to respond?" "No, I just want you to tell me if I read that right." "...I believe you read it right." Like it's absurd.

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/29/22 12:29:48 AM
#233:


Rottenborn tried to put it into people's minds that Johnny Depp wasn't paying his taxes, when in reality it was because his taxes were such a fucking mess because of his last accountants that he fixed them and on re-direct he said Johnny Depp's tax affairs are in order and paid for in full. That was one of two questions this man asked of White, after Rottenborn stood up there asking pedantic nitpick questions for entirely too long.

Next up we have a witness via Zoom, Malcolm Connolly from Essex who is one of Johnny's former security and was there the night Johnny had his finger blown off. He testified that Amber and Johnny started out as a great couple but then Amber changed and got more demanding and grumpy. He also testified that Amber would throw things at Johnny when she was upset. He testified no marks ever on Amber, but Johnny would have marks and bruises on him not every other week but still often enough. To accent this, they show a picture of Johnny looking beat the fuck up with bruises and marks on his face in Malaysia posing with some people on a train and Amber there looking drunk off her ass.

Fast forward to Australia and the night that Johnny's finger got blown off. "Do you recall anything notable that happened in Australia?" "Yeah, Johnny lost a finger." He arrived and it was after everything, and he was it was pure chaos. He tried to get Johnny to leave, and only when they were leaving did Amber appear and start screaming at him to fuck off and that he's a fucking coward for leaving like he always does (after she blew off his finger and put out a cigarette in his face and he is leaving to get medical attention). He said he could see the bone and that his finger looked like a snuffed out cigar. He also said that Amber had no bruises or marks on her that entire night.

This guy they had doing cross for Malcolm was just really bad. Remember the guy that objected to himself? That's him. "He gave you a gift of $85,000, correct?" "Oh, he gave me a hell of a lot more than that. I'd be loyal to you if I was working for you." He asked especially bad questions and just didn't come across as confident. It was a BAD day for him. And then he asked if the man saw Johnny Depp's penis and everyone laughed and he just could not recover. "And Johnny Depp had his penis out, correct?" "Objection....... relevance?" It was sustained. Legitimately hilarious.

He made an error questioning if he had scanned Amber for any danger, and Malcolm went off talking about how he always scans everyone because he works for Johnny but if she's hurt he's not going to ignore her and that he got a very good look at if she was hurt or not.

On re-direct they just asked him if he could get a good look at Amber. That's all. They aren't fucking around with these nonsense cross-examinations anymore. They're just hitting the important stuff.

Starling Jenkins was next, who was a professional chauffeur and body guard for Johnny and Amber. He testified that he arrived the night after Amber's birthday when Johnny left and went to see his sick mother, he talked to Amber who said she threw all of his personal property off of the balcony, including his phone, wallet, credit cards, and passport. This man had to go hunting the streets to find Johnny's cell phone using a find a phone app. A homeless man took it and he bartered with him $420, chick tacos, chips, apples, and Fiji water for the phone back.

He was the one who took Amber and her friends to Coachella, bless this man. He says on the way there, he overheard Amber and her friends talking about "the defecation" she left in Johnny's bed. She said it was a practical joke gone wrong. He said that Amber got really sick because she was drinking and eating "magic mushrooms" on an empty stomach, and he got her back to her hotel because she didn't want anyone to see her sick.

Rottenborn was on cross and just had more of this pedantic questioning. He nitpicked him saying that the phone was actually found below the balcony, when he said "It was on the streets below". They made such a big deal out of this and I cannot understand since on re-direct they read the next line from the UK transcript and it says he had to walk six blocks for it. Just... why? You know they're just going to do this on re-direct immediately after and you'll look like the piece of shit.

"Do you think it's fair for a woman to go out and have fun with her friends after being abused by her husband?" "What abuse?"

On re-direct the baby lawyer asked about what I mentioned above and also affirmed that it was Amber who was sick, not Whitney. Because apparently Amber claims that Whitney was the only one sick that Coachella weekend. I can't remember why that's important, but apparently it is.

And that's it for this week. We're supposedly wrapping with Depp's witnesses the first day next week. Supposedly. They're onto the rapid fire witnesses now.

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Team Rocket Elite
04/29/22 12:55:47 AM
#234:


What are the legal obligations for the ACLU in this case in regards to fact checking Amber's claims before publication? Are they potentially on the hook for anything if it is decided that Amber lied or did they do enough? (assuming they had to do anything at all)

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
"Do you think it's fair for a woman to go out and have fun with her friends after being abused by her husband?"


Was there no objection to this question?

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04/29/22 1:02:49 AM
#235:


I've been vaguely following the trial but I binged Dr. Curry's testimony. She is a saint for explaining out terms as she goes, and also for acknowledging "yes, there's inherent bias in a courtroom setting." I wish half of the experts I had dealt with back when I worked as a criminal defense paralegal were as enlightening - although my boss may have picked them simply *because* of how obfuscating their terminology was.

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BlueCrystalTear
04/29/22 1:09:26 AM
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The ACLU making one of the worst domestic abusers in Hollywood history an "Ambassador" annihilates their credibility as a charity. They really need to recover their image FAST if they want to survive. I think a first step - after bussing Amber like this - would be making Depp an Ambassador, given the obscene amount of abuse he took from this harpy.

It doesn't matter what Heard's side presents - her career is over. Even if the jury decides there's not enough evidence to convict her of defamation, nobody's gonna want to work with her after this. There are so many people corroborating the same things, and that's proof enough that Amber Heard is vile.

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04/29/22 1:12:19 AM
#237:


What are the legal obligations for the ACLU in this case in regards to fact checking Amber's claims before publication? Are they potentially on the hook for anything if it is decided that Amber lied or did they do enough? (assuming they had to do anything at all)

There's an actual malice (actual knowledge of falsity or reckless indifference) standard so it's very hard for them to get in trouble. Unless there's evidence that they didn't believe Amber but published her anyway, which I doubt exists.

Biscuit, division of community property in California is usually not a taxable event. The idea is you are dividing property you already own (not income) so why would there be a tax to receive what is yours by right?

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04/29/22 1:14:43 AM
#238:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
It doesn't matter what Heard's side presents - her career is over. Even if the jury decides there's not enough evidence to convict her of defamation, nobody's gonna want to work with her after this. There are so many people corroborating the same things, and that's proof enough that Amber Heard is vile.

The irony being that if Heard can't find work, she couldn't possibly pay the $50 million she'd owe if found guilty. Her net worth isn't even a 20% of that.

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red sox 777
04/29/22 1:36:21 AM
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TheRock1525 posted...
The irony being that if Heard can't find work, she couldn't possibly pay the $50 million she'd owe if found guilty. Her net worth isn't even a 20% of that.

She can declare bankruptcy.

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/29/22 10:41:20 AM
#240:


Team Rocket Elite posted...
What are the legal obligations for the ACLU in this case in regards to fact checking Amber's claims before publication? Are they potentially on the hook for anything if it is decided that Amber lied or did they do enough? (assuming they had to do anything at all)

Was there no objection to this question?
Well, the ACLU is not legally obligated to anything because it's proven they didn't write any of the slanderous stuff in there that referred to Johnny Depp, Amber solely wrote it and wanted it in. Their team and Amber's team of lawyers are just dummies for thinking it absolutely skirted her NDA, and defamation. Their defense would just be that they trusted Amber's account of events. They won't be sued.

Also, there was an objection to that question while he was answering, and he rephrased it to "Is it correct that Ms. Heard was out having fun with her friends?" "Oh yeah, they were partying it up! They were partying."

Isquen posted...
I've been vaguely following the trial but I binged Dr. Curry's testimony. She is a saint for explaining out terms as she goes, and also for acknowledging "yes, there's inherent bias in a courtroom setting." I wish half of the experts I had dealt with back when I worked as a criminal defense paralegal were as enlightening - although my boss may have picked them simply *because* of how obfuscating their terminology was.
Yeah, it's extremely hard and runs such a risk of alienating the jurors, but I think she did as good of a job as she could have explaining all of this to them. Because it's so hard for experts to be able to speak laymen to people sometimes. It crashes and burns so much.

BlueCrystalTear posted...
The ACLU making one of the worst domestic abusers in Hollywood history an "Ambassador" annihilates their credibility as a charity. They really need to recover their image FAST if they want to survive. I think a first step - after bussing Amber like this - would be making Depp an Ambassador, given the obscene amount of abuse he took from this harpy.

It doesn't matter what Heard's side presents - her career is over. Even if the jury decides there's not enough evidence to convict her of defamation, nobody's gonna want to work with her after this. There are so many people corroborating the same things, and that's proof enough that Amber Heard is vile.
It's the ACLU. I think they'll just put out a bullshit statement about how they didn't know and they'll be forgiven. I think Amber Heard's career is finished here too. The moment she gets on the stand, she is just not going to escape being impeached to hell and back, because she's told so many stories that already contradict so many stories with evidence of her lying constantly. They haven't even presented any of the letters from Children's Hospital of them having asked Amber where the money she promised to send them was, because if I recall right, they actually got $0 to help sick children from her. Just stuff like that is going to kill her dead.

red sox 777 posted...
There's an actual malice (actual knowledge of falsity or reckless indifference) standard so it's very hard for them to get in trouble. Unless there's evidence that they didn't believe Amber but published her anyway, which I doubt exists.

Biscuit, division of community property in California is usually not a taxable event. The idea is you are dividing property you already own (not income) so why would there be a tax to receive what is yours by right?
Sorry, I probably didn't clarify this enough. It was the taxable amount of the settlement money, so it was the $7 million he gave her that she demanded that he accept the tax from. I kind of conflated all of it together.

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The irony being that if Heard can't find work, she couldn't possibly pay the $50 million she'd owe if found guilty. Her net worth isn't even a 20% of that.
As red sox said, she can declare bankruptcy.

Let me note a couple things though:

First, this amount comes from the lost amount of money he's losing from the next Pirates installment that could have been made in which he would get approximately $50 million for.

Second, it's highly unlikely he'll get that much. If I remember right, the Virginia jury decides the amount (yeah, it's weird). Getting $50 million is unprecedented and as far as I know would be higher than any defamation amount ever awarded. I think the Judge can overrule the amount too. They could decide to award him $1. Flex move would be to give him his divorce settlement back.

Third, Amber Heard actually requested $100 million in her counter claim. How she got $100 million she'd supposedly lose as a result of Johnny Depp suing her is anyone's guess, but she basically just sued Johnny for twice as much because who the fuck knows why. Needless to say, her counter claim has little chance of success.

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/29/22 7:34:50 PM
#241:


Supercut of Alejandro's testimony. GOAT

https://youtu.be/ZH7gr0SCNaM

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BlueCrystalTear
04/29/22 7:59:28 PM
#242:


Why is that video from over a year ago? The recording date for Alejandro, I mean.

This guy is a character. Wildly honest and hilarious. This is why this is a fun trial: Lots of witnesses that are memorable. Alejandro is one of them. Dr. Curry is another. Johnny Depp's reactions have been a goldmine. Amber Heard is an epic villain - a violent abuser, a pathological liar, an exploiter of charities, and an all-around irredeemable person (and yeah, 0.00% chance her countersuit succeeds here, because her character has been annihilated and will continue to be destroyed). Her henchwoman Elaine is also interesting, as is the comic relief "baby lawyer" who objects to himself.

I gotta wonder what the movie version is gonna look like. Johnny Depp is playing himself, of course, but who's gonna play Amber Heard?

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Team Rocket Elite
04/29/22 8:07:08 PM
#243:


Does the amount requested in a lawsuit matter? I've seen cases where the winner gets more than they asked for so it's not like it even acts as an upper bound.

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/29/22 8:18:15 PM
#244:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
Why is that video from over a year ago? The recording date for Alejandro, I mean.
This was a deposition. I discussed before that a lot of the witnesses are from California, and a lot of them weren't going to be willing to show up or testify in court again. Alejandro, as you may have noticed, did NOT want to even do the deposition, let alone appear for the trial itself as a witness.

So they're using edited versions of the depositions that both parties agree upon. Part of the reason we have Fridays off for Motions is so they can hash out what will be shown at these video depositions.

Team Rocket Elite posted...
Does the amount requested in a lawsuit matter? I've seen cases where the winner gets more than they asked for so it's not like it even acts as an upper bound.
You want to have a reasonable asking price. Johnny Depp has explained his end of things. Amber Heard... has not in her countersuit. I'd have to look at it but I'm sure it's absurd.

However, if you ask for entirely too much without good reasoning, it can work against you. In cases of settlement, which is 95%+ of cases, they'll be a good negotiating point to work down from too for Settlement. Ultimately, it's usually up to the Judge in most courts, but this time it's up to the Jury with the Judge having final say.

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GavsEvans123
04/30/22 10:58:23 AM
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Maybe I'm being pessimistic here, but although I do think Amber Heard's career will be hurt by this, I'm not so sure that she's finished. The court of public opinion is currently leaning towards Johnny's side, but the important, influential people - the media, campaigners, Hollywood - are still mostly on Amber's side, at least from what I've seen. Hollywood in particular can't exactly blacklist a woman in the post Me Too era, even if she has done wrong. I reckon Amber will stay out of the limelight for a couple of years while the heat from this dies down, then after that she will quietly return in small supporting roles. Regardless, she won't be headlining any big movies again any time soon.

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04/30/22 11:11:48 AM
#246:


GavsEvans123 posted...
Regardless, she won't be headlining any big movies again any time soon.

Aquaman 2 comes out in March so...

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BlueCrystalTear
04/30/22 11:40:20 AM
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Maybe they'll replace her. I mean they have 10 months, and I'm seeing this tabloid saying she has less than 10 minutes of screentime:
https://cosmicbook.news/amber-heard-10-minutes-aquaman-2-screentime

Again, this is a tabloid, so take it with a grain of salt. And the rumors seem to indicate that Emilia "Daenerys" Clarke is the most likely replacement, but I don't take that seriously since no formal announcement has been made, no witness reports exist, and the articles are from last fall when Amber Heard still had supporters.

It's entirely possible to re-film ten minutes with Daenerys. It's certainly worth it, because having a noted abuser in what's supposed to be a lead role will only incite negative press covfefe that will damage the franchise.

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/30/22 11:47:35 AM
#248:


GavsEvans123 posted...
Maybe I'm being pessimistic here, but although I do think Amber Heard's career will be hurt by this, I'm not so sure that she's finished. The court of public opinion is currently leaning towards Johnny's side, but the important, influential people - the media, campaigners, Hollywood - are still mostly on Amber's side, at least from what I've seen. Hollywood in particular can't exactly blacklist a woman in the post Me Too era, even if she has done wrong. I reckon Amber will stay out of the limelight for a couple of years while the heat from this dies down, then after that she will quietly return in small supporting roles. Regardless, she won't be headlining any big movies again any time soon.

While I'm here, I'll also join everyone in saying thank you to Biscuit for the in-depth breakdowns. They're much appreciated!
I don't know. I'm thinking that by the time this is over and Amber shows her (lack of a) case, things are going to swing even more. I've noticed more public opinion seems to be on Johnny's side now. I don't think anyone will want to work with her again given how unhinged she seems to be. I have no doubt that we'll hear about her own difficulties on sets when she gets cross examined. It's not like people ever thought Amber Heard was a tremendous actress to begin with that was a box office draw like Depp was.

Although when you say that a lot of media is on Amber's side, it's true. The Sun, for instance, is an affiliate with the New York Post, so they're going to post everything they can slanderous about Johnny Depp and they have in this trial. Keep in mind that Eve Bartlow has many friends in high places in the media too, and she's likely had a hand in keeping the media entrenched in anti-Johnny mode too.

I think there will always be types who will keep Amber getting smaller gigs like you said though, just nothing big enough that there will be a large outcry against it when she's cast in something. I think she'll be crushed in public opinion and it would hurt any major movie to cast her.

FFDragon posted...
Aquaman 2 comes out in March so...
I don't know how true it is, but I've heard that Amber is only in it for 10 minutes. I should also say that Mera is my favorite DC female hero, so this hurts me a lot more! But if it's true and she's barely in the movie, it may be due to her not being a treat backstage. I know she told that story about Jason Momoa tearing a page out of her book she was reading constantly, but like most stories from Amber Heard, it's probably not totally true. I'm not sure if they'll be able to get any information from her on sets on cross (has to be relevant in some way), but I wouldn't be surprised if it's revealed she's also difficult to work with.

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04/30/22 1:15:39 PM
#249:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I should also say that Mera is my favorite DC female hero, so this hurts me a lot more!

Sorry to get off topic, but I would be very interested to hear what runs brought you to this opinion. The only proper Aquaman book I've read was the middling Johns run. If you want to answer feel free to do so in that DC inquiry topic I made instead.

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/30/22 1:32:12 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Sorry to get off topic, but I would be very interested to hear what runs brought you to this opinion. The only proper Aquaman book I've read was the middling Johns run. If you want to answer feel free to do so in that DC inquiry topic I made instead.
My stand outs are Blackest Day, Brightest Night stuff, as well as the Johns books. The thing is she never grew in prominence until those books, really. Johns is the one who breathed life into the character.

I've just always really liked Mera's personality and the imperfections that come with it, and her powers are completely dope as well.

Edit: lol I got the titles mixed up. Blackest Night, Brightest Day.

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TheRock1525
04/30/22 5:15:03 PM
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Cosmic Book News is one of the most unreliable websites out there so I wouldn't believe anything you read there.

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04/30/22 5:22:24 PM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Edit: lol I got the titles mixed up. Blackest Night, Brightest Day.

I knew what you meant, but I'm kind of shocked the neither of those other 2 exist.

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