Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 384: Manchins of Madness

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also I'm pretty sure guiga hasn't posted here in well over a decade. wasn't he a right-wing troll anyways?

What do you mean yikes? Here in the US we just hit our all time high case spike. I fucking wish we'd lock back down and get free money and groceries from the government.

Officials promise groceries for Xi'an, China, city of 13 million under lockdown, but many remain skeptical

This isnt gonna work for China. Omicron is too contagious, and even if they somehow managed to keep R<1 while under lockdown it would get back in the country afterward. Lockdowns made sense when there was either hope of totally containing the virus or a short term goal to achieve (e.g. vaccines, not overwhelming hospitals). Stopping the virus completely has been off the table for almost two years, we have vaccines already, and this Chinese lockdown is probably too severe for the hospital goal and theyll be in the same position theyre in now once they lift it.

I don't understand your point. Let's say I give you that China's strategy is probably overkill for merely running hospitals at an "optimal" level. I also understand lockdowns aren't a permanent solution and never were. How are you making the leap to lockdowns as a whole not making sense? What's your alternative?

1. actually mandating that everyone get the vaccine (and wear masks for the near future)
2. Increase testing access similar to Europe
3. Accept that at this point most people are going to get covid no matter what you do, and spreading it out so hospitals arent overwhelmed/essential personal for stuff that keeps society functioning arent all simultaneously ill and having most people fully vaxxed is the best that we can do

https://twitter.com/iratemaxwell/status/1476619650502823953?s=21

1. actually mandating that everyone get the vaccine (and wear masks for the near future)
2. Increase testing access similar to Europe
3. Accept that at this point most people are going to get covid no matter what you do, and spreading it out so hospitals arent overwhelmed/essential personal for stuff that keeps society functioning arent all simultaneously ill and having most people fully vaxxed is the best that we can do

pretty much the red sox argument (which is ironic, given that red sox hates hillary). "dems shouldn't have any principles, they should just care about what wins elections."

I think his point is more or less that in the long-term, substantially lessening the spread without pretty much shutting down society for the next decade or whatever is no longer possible.

Also she literally cant help seething about so-called progressives lol, just an awful person that has done incalculable damage.

https://twitter.com/iratemaxwell/status/1476619650502823953?s=21

Someone hears socialism and thinks "oh no, they are going to take MY money and give it to OTHER people".

When in reality it just means they will use EVERYONES money for programs that benefit EVERYONE. Yeah, those who are the most well off will have less need for various social programs, but if you design a robust social safety net then the people who do get lifted up by it will be in a better position to contribute positively to the system moving forward.

I think the worst part is that the country enables people like Hillary. People are so worried about scary socialism that they're willing to vote against their own interests to stop something they don't even care to understand.

it just means they will use EVERYONES money for programs that benefit EVERYONE.

Well they do this because of decades of propaganda from the top, from people like the Clintons. It's a self-perpetuating problem

I'd guess vaccinated originally but not-and-won't-be boosted

I feel like this is less "why aren't the democrats doing more?" and more "haha, look at these loser dems, can't pass their agenda because we're stonewalling it"

pretty much the red sox argument (which is ironic, given that red sox hates hillary). "dems shouldn't have any principles, they should just care about what wins elections."

It's probably a nothing story, but there's some weirdness going on with DeSantis's communications team.

He hasn't been seen in a while so some people started asking questions.

One comms official said he was on vacation out of the country. Then later another said he was in the office today having meetings with the surgeon general. The second of which later then deleted his tweet stating that and protected his account. And in the middle somewhere DeSantis's own account posted a picture from two weeks ago of him meeting with some citizens but left out when the picture was from to make it seem like it was current.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/power-causes-brain-damage/528711/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/aoc-republicans-florida-trip-b1985118.html