Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 384: Manchins of Madness

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based on some of the political cartoons I've seen, I think she makes some of them feel a little funny in the pants too and they don't know how to deal with that

oh hey twitter finally banned mtg's (personal) account

took them long enough

Schumer wants to move forward with a vote to change the filibuster. Biden is going to spend the last 2 years of his first term constantly vetoing GOP bills.

HeroicCrono posted...

Biden is going to spend the last 2 years of his first term constantly vetoing GOP bills.

Hmmmmmmm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzW1IbK343M

The evil left empire CNN's hot take on that tweet

to quote friend of the topic Tony

"lol"

TheRock1525 posted...

Hmmmmmmm...

Yeah I think he has a pretty good chance of winning reelection. He's going to end up as the sole obstacle standing between the GOP and dramatic changes to our laws. People will continue to anti-vote the more dangerous evil, which in 2024 will be the GOP. This year it's the Dems.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

yup. the combination of her being a likeable person and the fact that she says slightly more leftist things than your average democrat means that republicans think she must be stopped at all costs.

Significantly more leftist things. Things that would actually hurt people's wealth if passed. Plus, people don't believe she'll do the usual Democrat thing of talking to a bunch of corporate lobbyists and making sure the rich are protected in any bill that has the appearance of possibly hurting them.

red sox 777 posted...

Yeah I think he has a pretty good chance of winning reelection. He's going to end up as the sole obstacle standing between the GOP and dramatic changes to our laws. People will continue to anti-vote the more dangerous evil, which in 2024 will be the GOP. This year it's the Dems.

His chances depend on 2 things:

• Is the economy still in the shitter (inflation, high gas prices, etc.), as it is now? If yes, he's got no chance against anyone.
• Is the GOP smart and not nominate Trump? He's probably in trouble.

The margins are pretty damn fine because it only takes a few states to change, what, 30-50k votes total.

Seanchan posted...

His chances depend on 2 things:
* Is the economy still in the shitter (inflation, high gas prices, etc.), as it is now? If yes, he's got no chance against anyone.
* Is the GOP smart and not nominate Trump? He's probably in trouble.
The margins are pretty damn fine because it only takes a few states to change, what, 30-50k votes total.

The economy is NOT bad right now. The economy is actually very strong. Wages are way up, especially for low income jobs. People are not having trouble finding work and many people have enough savings to not work at all unless the right job comes along.

Yes there's some inflation but that's much less important than the very strong job market and very
strong household savings buildup in recent years. GDP is also growing faster than it has in decades.

I sort of agree on the Trump point. In the eyes of a lot of moderate or independent voters, Trump represents a danger to our whole democratic system in that there's no guarantee he won't try to remain in office for life. Even if he's seen as smarter than Biden or having better policies, that's not worth the risk to democracy and freedom. So I think the GOP nominating Trump means Biden's chances are pretty good.

So basically I think the odds of a Biden reelection are actually pretty good barring some actual disaster that happens by 2024. And I mean an actual disaster, not stuff like gas being a bit expensive.

If not Trump though......the GOP field is actually very thin. Who else do they have who's actually a strong candidate? The old crew like Romney and the Bushes have no policies that people still want. They've been more or less shown not to work after we tried them for 40 years and they failed everyone but the rich. The Trump acolytes lack his ability to appeal to voters outside the GOP.

i doubt there will be a second biden term. not because the GOP candidate will beat him but because i think he will retire and hand the presidency to kamala before then.

why do people always think biden is just going to like, randomly get bored of being the president

he's old but he's not so old that he can't finish out a term

I think DeSantis would be the horse to back here, right? He's young, military veteran, white, male, governor of a big state. Rs think he's done a good job in Florida. Just imagine the optics of him vs Biden on the debate stage.

I'll also go back to Nikki Haley as a good R candidate to get some "easy" women and minority votes.

The problem for the GOP is Trump is going to run and suck all the oxygen out of the room for other candidates and also bring all the eyeballs and consternation of voters. He doesn't run, politics is "boring" again, people stop paying as much attention, and a non-crazy GOP candidate could very easily turn back Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, etc.

Joe loses 2024 to whomever Repubs nominate unless he does something significant.

Kamala loses even harder.

Paratroopa1 posted...

why do people always think biden is just going to like, randomly get bored of being the president

he's old but he's not so old that he can't finish out a term

he never seemed all that enthusiastic to be president in the first place to me and, well, he IS old and this must be super exhausting for him. i could be wrong, of course, but i wouldn't be surprised at all if he says "fuck it" halfway through his first term.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

he never seemed all that enthusiastic to be president in the first place to me and, well, he IS old and this must be super exhausting for him. i could be wrong, of course, but i wouldn't be surprised at all if he says "fuck it" halfway through his first term.

He knows Kamala will lose. Plus, he's conservative enough that he may not want her to actually call the shots because she's too liberal.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Joe loses 2024 to whomever Repubs nominate unless he does something significant.

Incorrect. The big thing that can save Biden is a massive economic boom, which he has no control over and is completely unrelated to anything he can or cannot do.

I mean

Forgiving student loans would have a huge impact on the economy, wouldn't it?

TotallyNotMI posted...

I mean

Forgiving student loans would have a huge impact on the economy, wouldn't it?

Not any moreso than what is currently happening

I don't think forgiving student loans would help the Democrats. The people who want that are going to vote for Democrats regardless. Many people in the center and right will feel damaged that they paid out of pocket for school and were not reimbursed. Or that they forewent a college education because it was too expensive and make less money now than they otherwise would, while people who make more money than they do (because they went to college) would now be given a free ride.

As someone with student loans myself, I think basic fairness requires equal reimbursement of tuition paid out of pocket. Even that would still be bad economic policy because it only incentivizes schools to charge even more than they already do. If the government is paying for it all, schools will charge whatever they want and people will pay because the government will cover it!

Also Biden has repeatedly stated that he does not believe he, as president, has the authority to unilaterally forgive student loans (and critically, to do it without imposing a massive tax bill for forgiveness of debt income on the very people this is supposed to help). I have yet to see an explanation from progressives about why they believe he does have this legal authority.

yeah. it might bring some of the hardcore bernie-bros that would actually sit out and let a republican win otherwise, but i honestly don't believe they're that high in number

the older and/or more standard democrats are not interested in student loan forgiveness. regardless of what its actual effects would be, everyone's knee-jerk reaction to it is to complain about unfairness

i'd honestly prefer more stimulus checks for everybody

banananor posted...

yeah. it might bring some of the hardcore bernie-bros that would actually sit out and let a republican win otherwise, but i honestly don't believe they're that high in number

the older and/or more standard democrats are not interested in student loan forgiveness. regardless of what its actual effects would be, everyone's knee-jerk reaction to it is to complain about unfairness

i'd honestly prefer more stimulus checks for everybody

Lol hard-core Bernie bro. A lot more than that don't vote sadly. But get rid of debt and they might. Biggest stroke of a pen action is probably weed decriminalization

UltimaterializerX posted...

Literal 0% chance Trump wins if he runs again. He could run unopposed and he would still lose.

That's a ridiculous statement but also I'd laugh my fucking ass off if that happened. We'd literally see Trump's head explode. "Ran against nobody and lost. Sad."

Trump can easily win

the dem field is shit enough that he can win.
though right now the race is honestly de santis' to lose. he runs, he wins.

DeSantis can't beat Trump in a GOP primary

None of the loser sycophants can. What's their argument? "I've spent the past four years cheerleading Trump and dismissing every criticism against him, but you should vote for me instead for some reason"?

Nobody took the "I like Trump's policies but Trump himself was ineffective" lane and it's gonna be really hard to pivot to that now if he runs. (The actually anti-Trump people are, of course, dead in the water because the GOP is beyond saving)

LordoftheMorons posted...

DeSantis can't beat Trump in a GOP primary

None of the loser sycophants can. What's their argument? "I've spent the past four years cheerleading Trump and dismissing every criticism against him, but you should vote for me instead for some reason"?

Nobody took the "I like Trump's policies but Trump himself was ineffective" lane and it's gonna be really hard to pivot to that now if he runs. (The actually anti-Trump people are, of course, dead in the water because the GOP is beyond saving)

It all depends on if Trump chooses to run. He hasn't actually committed to it, so I think he's genuinely undecided.

Also I think if the ballot just offered a yes/no vote on Trump as President, no would win.

red sox 777 posted...

It all depends on if Trump chooses to run.

will his vanity allow him not to?

I suppose he has another year to come up with some kind of face-saving excuse before he would need to start ramping up for primary season.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

will his vanity allow him not to?

I suppose he has another year to come up with some kind of face-saving excuse before he would need to start ramping up for primary season.

If he thinks he will lose, his vanity would motivate him not to run. He can come up with some excuse like "I did such a good job, America was made great again in only 4 years and I can retire now."

red sox 777 posted...

If he thinks he will lose, his vanity would motivate him not to run.

yeah, this is why trump dropped out early during the campaign of the '12 election. if he thinks he doesn't have a decent shot at winning, he doesn't run.

Seanchan posted...

I'll also go back to Nikki Haley as a good R candidate to get some "easy" women and minority votes.

A lot of Republicans plain won't vote for a woman. Doesn't matter if she's a Republican or not.

LordoftheMorons posted...

DeSantis can't beat Trump in a GOP primary

My guess is they're hoping they can convince him he shouldn't run.

red sox 777 posted...

If he thinks he will lose, his vanity would motivate him not to run. He can come up with some excuse like "I did such a good job, America was made great again in only 4 years and I can retire now."

Mr Lasastryke posted...

yeah, this is why trump dropped out early during the campaign of the '12 election. if he thinks he doesn't have a decent shot at winning, he doesn't run.

You guys are both wrong, Trump literally ran for President to lose and start his own media empire.

But he won, instead.

DeSantis could beat Trump, but it would be an uphill battle and probably do a lot of internal damage to the GOP in the process.

red sox 777 posted...

If he thinks he will lose, his vanity would motivate him not to run. He can come up with some excuse like "I did such a good job, America was made great again in only 4 years and I can retire now."

He doesnt need to worry about losing. He could lose in the biggest blowout in election history (electoral and popular) and his followers would still believe him when he claimed it was stolen in a rigged election.

Dancedreamer posted...

A lot of Republicans plain won't vote for a woman. Doesn't matter if she's a Republican or not.

I think if the chips were down they'd fall in line. My scorching hot take is that the Republicans will elect a woman president before the Dems do.

No woman is beating Trump in the 2024 primaries though

Kenri posted...

I think if the chips were down they'd fall in line. My scorching hot take is that the Republicans will elect a woman president before the Dems do.

No woman is beating Trump in the 2024 primaries though

This is the problem though. If a woman is the nominee, the GOP will vote for her...but that would require her to win a primary. I don't see any way a woman wins a GOP primary.

Inviso posted...

I don't see any way a woman wins a GOP primary.

they could cancel the primary and switch to a convention format to put the decision largely in the hands of the insiders like they did in the VA Governor race to give Youngkin the nomination because otherwise you had candidates on the fringe (endorsed by Flynn level fringe) leading the race.

Kenri posted...

I think if the chips were down they'd fall in line. My scorching hot take is that the Republicans will elect a woman president before the Dems do.

This isn't even that hot of a take. Voters are motivated by what they fear

you get a sufficiently charismatic republican with a strong military background, she could very well become the nominee

put her up against a generic democratic candidate in the general, and it'd be hard to galvanize a sizable portion of the dem voterbase

a woman democratic nominee, on the other hand? republican voters are going to kick and scream to keep her from getting into office, as close as it was to happening in 2016

It's been my prediction for a long time that the first female president would be a Republican. The UK, Canada, France, Germany, and the US have never elected a female liberal as head of government.

HeroicCrono posted...

It's been my prediction for a long time that the first female president would be a Republican. The UK, Canada, France, Germany, and the US have never elected a female liberal as head of government.

Canada has never elected a woman prime minister, period

UltimaterializerX posted...

And the same woke liberals who have asked for this for decades would all take a collective shit on her, too, because they don't actually believe anything they pretend to stand for.

Why is it contradictory for liberals to care more about a leader representing their values more than their gender?

UltimaterializerX posted...

And the same woke liberals who have asked for this for decades would all take a collective shit on her, too, because they don't actually believe anything they pretend to stand for.

or they do believe the things, but the thing they believe has never been any random woman should be President regardless of their political positions

it would be sexist to not shit on her just as much as they shit on any male republican candidate

ulti totally stopped trolling guys

Brayze_II posted...

Canada has never elected a woman prime minister, period

neither has my country.